Cognitive Science of Religion – A multidisciplinary approach that uses all perspectives, except for Cognitive Phenomenology (& Loose Cog Sci/ Multi-State Science)
Cybermonk
Exoteric studies of exoteric religion, who only perceive exoteric religion. Warning: when they say ‘religion’, they aren’t thinking what we think when we hear ‘religion’.
It’s like me saying the word “mushrooms”, meaning the Egodeath theory, but people instead hear me as saying “secret Amanita alchemy”. THE MUSHROOM (picture Amanita emoji 🍄 😯)
“The Cognitive Science of Religion introduces students to key empirical studies conducted over the past 25 years in this new and rapidly expanding field.
“In these studies, cognitive scientists of religion have applied the theories, findings and research tools of the cognitive sciences to understanding religious thought, behavior and social dynamics.
“Each chapter is written by a leading international scholar, and summarizes in non-technical language the original empirical study conducted by the scholar.
“No prior or statistical knowledge is presumed, and studies included range from the classic to the more recent and innovative cases.”
“Students will learn about the theories that cognitive scientists have employed to explain recurrent features of religiosity across cultures and historical eras, how scholars have tested those theories, and what the results of those tests have revealed and suggest.
“Written to be accessible to undergraduates, this provides a much-needed survey of empirical studies in the cognitive science of religion.”
Philosophical Foundations of the Cognitive Science of Religion: A Head Start
Philosophical Foundations of the Cognitive Science of Religion: A Head Start 2017
Scientific Studies of Religion: Inquiry and Explanation Hardcover – September 7, 2017
“Robert N. McCauley and E. Thomas Lawson are considered the founders of the field of the cognitive science of religion.
Since its inception over twenty years ago, the cognitive science of religion has raised questions about the philosophical foundations and implications of such a scientific approach.
This volume from McCauley, including chapters co-authored by Lawson, is the first book-length project to focus on such questions, resulting in a compelling volume that addresses fundamental questions that any scholar of religion should ask [eg “On Psilocybin, do you control your source of thoughts?“].
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“The essays collected in this volume are those that initially defined this scientific field for the study of religion.
These essays deal with issues of methodology, reductionism, resistance to the scientific study of religion [compare “Psychedelic Science must omit mystic experiences”], and other criticisms that have been lodged against the cognitive science of religion.
The new final chapter sees McCauley reflect on developments in this field since its founding.
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“Tackling these debates head on and in one place for the first time, this volume belongs on the shelf of every researcher interested in this now established approach to the study of religion within a range of disciplines, including religious studies, philosophy, anthropology and the psychology of religion.”
“How should ancient religious ideas be approached? Is “religion” an applicable term to antiquity?
“Classicists, ancient historians, and religious studies scholars should work together.
“There is a disciplinary gap between the study of Greek and Roman religions and the study of “religion” as a category — a gap that has resulted in contradictory conclusions regarding Greek and Roman religion.
[Newage & Hermetic bookstores lack books on mystery religions – like Ptolemaic Astral Ascent Mysticism as Luther H. Martin points out, a major blind spot – cm]
“This book addresses this lack of interdisciplinarity by providing an overview, criticism, and assessment of this chasm.
“It provides a theoretical approach to this historical period, raising the issue of the relationship between “theory of religion” and “history of religion,” and explores how history influences theory and vice versa.
“It also presents an in-depth critique of some crucial problems[?specify] that have been central[?] to the discussions of scholars who work on Graeco-Roman antiquity, encouraging us to re-examine how we approach 🍄⚡️🌳🐍💎🐉 the study of ancient religions.”
Wouter Hanegraaff’s wastebasket of rejected knowledge:
🗑 OMG IT’S FULL OF STARS!! 🌌
I just recorded (Ep211 start) a really great analysis of how we need to embrace, include, and THEN transcend no free will, fatedness, heimarmene, that which Erik Davis’ book Led Zeppelin IV reports on page 118-119 & 122. Enlightenment is of no free will personal noncontrol or helpless dependence on the uncontrollable source of our control thinking
The Religious Texts Filtering Effect
Texts that are honest about Fate don’t get preserved; the texts that survive are exercises in having it both ways, obfuscationism to compromise between admitting no-free-will while asserting religious revelation while preserving – above all – egoic freewill-premised autonomous personal control power.
You have to assert the no-free-will truth while also appearing to assert its incompatible opposite: autonomous egoic culpability.
p280, Hermetic Spirituality, Hanegraaff argues “when the body dissolves, nous leaves soul to be judged, therefore, freewill is real”
me: in loosecog state, freewill-premised thinking is tested/ demonstrated/ disproved/ jusdged as incoherent and unstable and nonreasoning like animals/ children, therefore no-free-will”
anyway all of this employment of the words ‘body matters soul spirit’
it’s nothing but a giant shell game
you can’t fool me with evasive foolish perpetual motion machines & vague linguistic magic
I’m not gonna take seriously these language games of redefinition
we have three different definitions of soul
and 2 1/2 different definitions of ‘body’
and then hermes and Hanegraaff say there’s a spiritual body which is not subject to fate unlike the lower body which is
this is just a big bluff
you need to answer the damn question:
is the local control agent the source of its control thoughts?
the answer is no
this is revealed in the Psilocybin State
no matter how much you try to swing around and throw an obvious skate[?] with three different definitions of the word body
this is just games of language Obfuscation the trickery and magic cheap magic tricks redefining words
‘soul spirit I’
I am so sick of “explanations” that are pseudo-explanations that are crafted to be based in poetry ambiguity
we need a different lexicon, a lexicon that is designed to be unambiguous, not your lexicon, your bunk lexicon that is specifically designed to be as ambiguous as possible
I have zero interest in discussing body
I have zero interest in discussing soul
answer the damn question :
the local control agent is the source of its own control thoughts – true or false?
These abstract semantic abstractions that are designed to cloud the issue and hide and avoid looking at and avoid discussing the actual crux questions, instituting[?] by low grade analogies of low value substituting very distant analogies that are designed to be indirect and roundabout and give lots of opportunities for ego to hide in the shadows of semantic tricks, trickery and deception, misleading magic cheap magic tricks
I am God and I lift 1,000,000 pounds – all you have to do is merely redefine the meaning of words, such as the word “soul”, “body”, ‘Entheogens’ to mean its exact opposite
Congratulations you’ve won $$$&*
*simply redefine ‘you, won, & $’
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ‘SOUL’ UNLESS YOU DEFINE IT EXPLICITLY IN TERMS OF LOCAL CONTROL AGENCY
but your mystic poetry fog-blanket strategy is to avoid exactly that –
it is no coincidence that right at the most important points is where they use the language in the most unclear and waffling way , and suddenly pull out of their hat the claim all of a sudden, oh didn’t you know? –
there’s actually two different souls
is the spirit body
and the body soul
and then there’s the body spirit (lower & higher)
and we can just make up , multiply as needed as many made up terms, pulled out of our as- our magic hat, so that we can assert and deny no free will all at the same time, and then claim “it’s your fault for not understanding” our obfuscation torrent of dust clouds that we have raised to cover the fact and hide what we are actually doing
sick of vague terms used figuratively: “Only the spiritual body soul is subject to fate, but the higher soul body spirit is independent of fate”
what the fck are you saying
this is deliberately unclear wording
this is the deliberate employment and strategic leveraging of language that’s designed to promise big marketing promises and appease peoples’ wishful thinking – it’s all about avoiding communication
it’s a deliberate project of deliberately unclear communication, by leveraging inherently vague deliberately evasive ambiguous terms that shirk and avoid the relevant questions
it’s all a whole giant lexicon for the purpose of avoiding the question
it’s an avoidance strategy, all these vague re-definitions of ambiguous terms, which are employed and used and chosen and selected specifically because they can be used to deceive and double talk and pretend to say one thing while really believing something else,
to try to cast a spell with language trickery instead of doing what science does, which is make a sincere effort to be clear
this is why people love to talk on and on and write thousands of books saying how words cannot describe spiritual realization
what they really mean is that:
This goes along way towards explaining why doesn’t western esotericism come up with a clear explanation of transcendent knowledge?
We don’t like what’s revealed, so we’re going to obfuscate and hide it underneath thickets of obfuscation, because we don’t want to admit no free will, so we’re in a gigantic project
it’s a gigantic avoidance project of flirting with Transcendent Knowledge while trying to cover it up and deny it at the same time
Religion is a gigantic project of trying to sustain ego free willpower
that’s what reformed theology is
the main message of reformed systematic theology is this:
Freewill is the case and personal moral responsibility is the case
– even though we are going to simultaneously claim that we are righteously asserting God’s sovereignty and omnipotence
but our MAIN message and motive remains: prop up free will ego power moral culpability
reformed theology is a gigantic project of pretending to harmonize to incompatible assertions in order to prop up egoic free will power
reformed theology pretends to be asserting no free will
if you dare to assert honest clear language and say that “God is the author of evil” then you’re accused of being a hyper Calvinist and you need to get back in line asserting our double talk obfuscationist lying pretense which is all serving the Atman project purpose of asserting and propping up the pretense of ego work free will power
the project of theology and esotericism overall is to have it both ways, of trying to combine the lie of free will power with the truth of revealed no free will omnipotence of God
the whole thing is a project of trying to sneak the devil into heaven
Psilocybin Reveals Heimarmene in the Ogdoad
Actual entheogens are that which is effective at revealing who sits on the throne in level 8 – Hanegraaff says that’s the demiurge
and I remind him: the demiurge is identical with heimarmene; he is the ruler over the planet heimarmene rulers
the ruler over heimarmene
the ruler over the planetary rulers which he says in his book
EntheogensReveal Heimarmene in the Ogdoad
Entheogensare that which Reveals Heimarmene in the Ogdoad
Hanegraaff, after rebirth from cosmic level 7, arriving up in the 8th cosmic level:
“At last, I have escaped the power of the fate-ruled seven stars, with their daimonic controllers! 😈 “
The Demiurge 👹 to Hanegraaff:
“Welcome, please enjoy the view – billions of stars!”
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Dr H:
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A healthy attitude towards entheogens is a healthy attitude towards block universe determinism not the repression anti-cosmic attitude which is precisely the true reference of anti-Cosmic
the anti-cosmic attitude is precisely the mind’s innate anti-Fate attitude
if you are anti-fate, then by definition your anti-cosmos; you are a caricature of the Gnostic anti-cosmos attitude
Are gnostics anti-cosmos?
translation: are gnostics anti-Fate?
Hanegraaff are you anti-Fate? anti-Heimarmene? if so, then you are anti-cosmos! in the quintessential way.
you are anti-body
you’re anti-nature
you’re anti-matter
because all of those are poetry ambiguity that is trying to hide the fact that what we’re really talking about is not the body; we are really talking about Fate; no-free-will, block-universe determinism; the local control agent has no control over its uncontrollable source of control-thoughts
we’re not talking about your attitude against the cosmos; we are talking actually about your attitude against fate
review title:
Entheogens Reveal Heimarmene in the Ogdoad
Designed to make professor H shake in his shoes
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psilocybin causes reveals and causes the correct effective kind of transcending of no free will/ heimarmene.
whatever he does in his poetry-based Esotericism-based reading his interpretation of exercising the demons the demons , whatever it is he’s doing in his value system that he reveals, it is telling and it is revealing that he removes the very stars from the heavens
he would pull down the constellations and remove the zodiac from the heavenly sphere from the eighth level sphere
of a round sphere the fact that
he even re-defined the word stars to eliminate the billions of stars and only leave us with only seven stars – the moving stars; the planets
this shows that he has an anti-Kosmik anti-matter anti-body anti-nature attitude
that he is repressing suppressing and dissociating from
he claims to be pro body he claims to integrate the body integrate nature integrate matter integrate matter in a healthy positive way with a positive mental attitude , but except for , he demonizes and he throws into trash rejected stars
let us look inside the Hanegraaff and trashcan of rejected things what has he placed in the 🗑<–🌌
what has Professor H placed into his own trashcan of rejected things
oh look here it is the stars
he has taken the zodiac he has taken the constellations he has taken the fixed stars, pulled them down out of the heavens and thrown them into his Rejected trashcan, because he knows, as he has said, they equal no free will, they equal determinism
note: voice dictation recognizes the word determinism , it does not recognize heimarmene
he tries to throw block universe determinism, which is the thing that is revealed by psilocybin
what is it that is revealed by psilocybin what do entheogens reveal?
they reveal precisely specifically block universe determinism
and he throws that in the trashcan of rejected things
he always talks about what other people have put what they put in their trashcan of rejected things
he says that scientific history must not make these value judgments but must accurately report the values and beliefs of people throughout history, but scientific history should not be driven by making value judgments about theology matters matters of theology matters of religious truth
it is not the business of academic scientific history department to make judgments about religious theology truth and merit based on assumptions about esoteric truth
we should be unbiased scientific researchers accurately reporting
He does not mean to say that it is bad to try to understand higher meaning
he is just saying that we should not make poetry ambiguity and ineffability the foundation of our scientific history study of the history of religions
and he himself has been misled because of the negative attitude and the ironic inversion of values which the poets who wrote the Hermetic texts, they write in a confusing way, because they themselves do in fact reject the cosmos, despite his book
his book asserts that gnostics are not world hating, but the problem is the entire world of late antiquity was world hating
that is to say let us get to the real point in the true referent
all of late antiquity had a bad negative attitude towards block universe determinism
And this comes forward in their negative values that they place on fate
the claim that gnostics held anti-fatism must be stopped, it is a malicious caricature??
gnostics were NOT anti-fate as academics (crypto protestant apologists) assert??
they had an unhealthy negative attitude to block universe determinism because the entire culture of late antiquity had revealed through Psilocybin block universe determinism , and they didn’t like it , and so everybody in the culture had a negative attitude towards block universe determinism
and this comes forward in the poetry ambiguity hazy false marketing and confusing poetry the Theurgy Hermetic Texts exude a bad attitude towards block universe determinism
and so it is no wonder the Hanegraaff while lecturing us about that we need to have a positive mental attitude about the body and nature and matter and the world the physical world
yet at the same time he follows the bad attitude that the Hermetic Texts exude and
he demonizes and throws into his rejected garbage can,
what does he place there?
he places the fixed stars the zodiac constellations, because as he says those are block universe determinism – fate
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The whole of late antiquity was anti-FATE negative attitude
and he has picked this up and he prevents us from transcending no-free-will, because he refuses to embrace and include and transcend no free will
he refuses to affirm and sacrifice to block universe determinism
and he persists in having a negative attitude, which he picked up from the gnostics, and he picked it up from the theurgists, because they picked it up from the entire world of late antiquity
STOP HATING ON HEIMARMENE/ Eternalism; this is ANTI-COSMISM!
so he might try to make up excuses and say oh I don’t I’m not demonizing who me?
demonizing fate?
I would never demonize fate
he might try to argue but we have to look at his attitude does he or how far is he from having the right attitude what would be involved in correcting his bad attitude towards fate
when we take the difficult concept of what is the correct mixture of plus and minus attitudes when it comes to transcending the child or transcending something that’s revealed that we have mixed feelings
looked at Ken Wilber look to Ken Wilber what does it mean to transcend something
does it mean to destroy it ?
what exactly is the proper healthy attitude in order to transcend fate block universe determinism
and what exact specific attitude does Professor H demonstrate in his book
and what is the correct mixture of plus and minus attitudes that he needs to have and that we need to have
so his book raises the most important question:
what is the correct mix of attitudes when we talk about transcending block universe determinism
how far is his book from that
and we all need to come to grips with how do we have the correct feeling what is to be the correct
what must be our correct and healthy attitude I am an advocate of health and I am an advocate of the truth and I am an advocate of the truth about block universe determinism as the path to a healthy mental attitude
please explain the details of this and how unhealthy his professor H book in its treatment and trashcan rejection
he throws block universe determinism into the trashcan of rejected things even going so far
feeling
does it mean to destroy it
what exactly is the proper healthy attitude in order to transcend fate block universe determinism and what exact specific attitude does Professor H demonstrate in his book and what is the correct mixture of plus and minus attitudes that he needs to have and that we need to have
so his book raises the most important question what is the correct mix of attitudes when we talk about transcending block universe determinism how far is his book from that and we all need to come to grips with how do we have the correct feeling what is to be the correct feeling
He throws block universe determinism into the trashcan of rejected things even going so far as to remove the very stars from the sky to get rid of himourmoney from his precious level eight
I am an advocate of health
I am advocate of mental health
I am an attitude I am a proponent of positive mental attitude and mental health regarding block universe determinism
we must accommodate block universe determinism
we must embrace and include it and transcend it and affirm it
we must sacrifice to block universe determinism we must worship the serpent carved in rock the snake God must smoke the ego in sacrifice poetry haze of ambiguity evasion tactics go up in smoke incense psychoactive smoke
Representing the smoke of the false attitudes and negative attitudes must go up in smoke like the smuggling van made of cannabis
I am an advocate of the healthy mental positive attitude towards embracing and including and also transcending block universe determinism
how far where does Hannah Graff go wrong in his mixture of attitudes
he is entirely negative regarding fate fate
I can’t speak to his attitude about fate
does he have a healthy relationship with fate
does he embrace and include it or does he try to throw it in the rejected trashcan, the professor H trashcan of rejected things where he represses fate and suppresses fate and is dissociated from fate
I am a fervent proponent of healthy effective integration and transcending of fate
“embrace, include and then transcend” – do not repress and simply throw Fate in that rejected wastebasket as professor H tends to do
and he needs to make corrections on his positive and negative attitudes and demonization or shall I say in fake affectation like he writes his demonization of fate
The present page is essentially a next-day summary product created after these Episode 209 voice recordings and of the Episode 210 recordings (210a-d) as well:
exception: part Ep210e was recorded after the present posting.
Hermes exorcising Tat’s egoic freewill-premised claim of autonomous personal control thinking and bringing him into conformity with no-free-will Fatedness/ Heimarmene to end torment control-instability and first learn to EMBRACE AND INCLUDE – AND *ONLY THEN* TRANSCEND – HEIMARMENE
voice dictation
wow that book review that I wrote back in 2022 really rocks makes me look like a fool now
It really ticks all the boxes:
it’s a short review
it has an accurate representation of what the book’s purposes are
what the book’s distinct approach is
which errors in the field of academic scholarship of religious history that the book corrects
how much progress the book makes towards comprehension of Theurgy
and then folded into that, the review points out the main weaknesses of the book
what is necessary to correct those errors?
first of all, put the damned fixed stars back in level 8, you thief!!
you can excuse him and say “such a cosmology model is not necessarily delusion, because it’s all just analogy anyway”
but it is telling
what is behind this theft?
what is his motivation?
why does he have a problem with the fixed stars being in late antiquity’s cosmology level 8?
this is the egoic control project of protecting its power.
He knows that if he allows the fixed stars to be in level 8, this would mean asserting the reality of Fate and heimarmene.
he says that level 8, 9 and 10 are confusing in contrast with level one through seven
He really needs to read David Ulansey’s book & hypercosmic online articles, and Davis’ Led Zeppelin IV pp. 118-119 & 122 simple clear Fate-based 2-level cosmology.
in level one through seven, he talks about rebirth, he talks about turmoil/ “torment” ; he talks about being possessed by the divine powers in order to get rid of the demonic powers
voice transcription intelligently wrote the word demonic instead of his fake word artificially positive word daimonic
Words to beware of and to write a correction mark next to in his book:
you must write a correction mark next to:
when he writes zodiac, write the number 8
when he writes heimarmeme, The number 8
when he writes stars, write 7&8
when he writes ‘entheogen’, write the word Psilocybin
when he writes rebirth, write the number “7 into 8”
helpfully say what readers must watch out for , the confusions and treacherous misleading confusions of his misusing words and his efforts at language reengineering
the resultant nonstdly redefined words meaning nothing and becoming useless and unusable , of no use
the word entheogen according to his redefinition has now become completely useless to me; I cannot use the word anymore in context of W esotericism
in his effort to advocate the word ‘entheogens’ by extremely broadening its definition to include its antonym and including all comers no questions asked, no qualifications required whatsoever, he has lowered the bar down into the gutter, so that literally anything –
I proved how a lamp and a car engine and a dishtowel are all entheogens, by using his ultra-lenient definition that misses the point entirely.
he essentially argues:
“x y z and other unknown[he literally wrote] methods can produce effects that can be designated as entheogenic”
why redefining entheogens / the word destroys it
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the review is specifically very extremely on point
this review pinpoints exactly the crux of the matter of why we cannot claim the alleged “other methods” produce the specific effect that they must produce
this review is written such that there is no way that you can avoid the point (PSILOCYBIN REVEALS NONCONTROL) and change the subject
this review’s wording forces you to keep your eye on- it it takes your head and forces your head to look at the important point and by force it prevents you from looking away and changing the subject
it prevents the escape into poetry, which is the classic esoteric move , an avoidance strategy tactic by layering on protective layers of obfuscating poetry to try to cloud the issue and to try to be in denial of the truth and avoid the truth
so esotericism is another form of the Atman project: it pretends to be for the purpose of describing to Communicating truth, but actually it deliberately does so in a way that prevents and is designed to prevent communicating the truth about that:
the local control agent is not the source and origin and controller of its own personal control thinking.
thats a good title of a book review right there a good leading sentence a good concluding sentence of the book review right there poetry
slather on all the occluding
you want redefine the word soul, and keep slipping and sliding and ambiguously overloading the definition of the words ‘soul’, ‘body’, ‘matter’, ‘spirit’
shuffle shuffle those word-usage definitions, a shell game to try to sneak egoic freewill power into Heaven past the gate guard
it’s for the purpose of trying to sneak in the false assertion that the local control agent is its own source and origin of its personal control thinking
which is precisely what is revealed by psilocybin, not by your b.s. other methods, but by psilocybin advanced peak dosages used to its fullest adept usage
that is what reveals the truth that you’re trying to hide and obscure through the trick, the trickery of poetry, the trickery of a shell game of abstruse redefinition of terms every two minutes on every other page contradicting yourself for the purpose of removing heimarmene from level 8 in order to install egoic control power on the throne above the cosmos, above the realm that is governed by Fate
at least you do define the word ‘cosmos’, as meaning Saturn at the highest
the purpose of your remaining silent on the fixed stars is for the purpose of denying no free will, denying heimarmene.
The Hermetic text do not say that heimarmene is not the case; the opposite:
they say that you must sacrifice to it to appease it and to calm the storm that results from denying heimarmeme
just like you covertly silently remove the fixed stars and the zodiac and the real stars
the reader must know that he confusingly tries to confuse the reader by misusing the word the stars to mean 7 of them
ask him, demand of him when he writes the word ‘stars’ write the number next to it write “HEY HANEGRAAFF: How many stars are there?”
His answer is: there are only seven stars remaining, because I stole all the rest of them in my ego freewill project to remove the fixed stars, the billions and billions of stars,
I have swept them under the cosmic rug, swept under the cosmic rug, Hanegraaff’s cosmic rug of Saturn
who has stolen the stars, and where did they put them? and why?
the answer is: Hanegraaff, level seven, to deny the reality of heimarmene from his precious level 8 Ogdoad, my precious, so that he can imagine with his “Historians’ Imagination” he can imagine that we exorcise our belief in no free will when in fact the possessing god casts out the egoic freewill control premise
he thinks that we get rid of the belief in fatedness Fate, but in fact we get rid of our denial and resistance to fate
that is how we get rid of the torment, the turmoil , the control instability – not by eliminating our belief in fate, but instead the opposite: by eliminating our belief in free will ego Power.
Hermetic texts say that we sacrifice to the fate-controlling demons, we give them their due, we recognize them, we honor them, we are appease them
not that we deny that they are real
not that we deny that fate is the case governing over personal Control Thinking
Rewrite Book
and so one can only surmise and speculate what massive rewriting does Hanegraaff need to do to bring his cosmology model of mental development multi-state into a coherent form that accurately reflects both how the mind transforms and the meaning of the Hermetic texts – which the texts themselves try to occlude and cloud over and hide and evade, in classic esoteric fashion
these esoteric texts are as interested in obscuring the situation as they are in communicating and accurately helpfully describing the situation
they are there to conceal and the reason that they are there to conceal and then kind of partly reveal
it’s because esoteric texts are a project of avoidance and clouding over
and just like the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics it is a big project of setting up shelter to allow the ego power to hide and sustain itself
it is an avoidance tactic for the ego to survive, the ego covers up the truth
poetry and escape into poetry
ego escapes into poetry which is ambiguous which is missing the point which is evading the point which tries to conceal the situation while pretending to be trying to communicate it but actually trying to prevent communicating the truth
the Atman project: pursuing Transcendence by Means which prevent it
Esotericism is the Atman project: a way of pursuing the truth that’s designed to prevent you from seeing the truth, because you don’t like it, because you are ego advocate asserting freewill power thats a separate power ruling in heaven next to God’s throne
there’s the Hanegraaff and Esotericism and Esotericism throne erected next to the Source (challenging its power over your control-thinking)
it is a internal contradiction within western Esotericism
just like the contradiction within Reformed Theology where we have hyper hyper Calvinism which is consistent and we have Armenian Calvinism which is a massive self-contradiction effort to put a square peg into a round hole in a way that’s a self-contradiction
art: Cybermonk, ink brush test, ~1992. note that only the serpent’s head is outside the block universe.
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initiator Hermes exorcising egoic daimon powers from initiate Tat
surrounded by utter silence while watching the planetary constellations. She won’t see them just as physical planets. She will see them as deities
Wouter Hanegraaff, conference presentation “Reasonably Irrational: Theurgy and the Pathologization of Entheogenic Experience“
Hold up – what are “planetary constellations”?
Hanegraaff is intent on covertly silently moving the fixed stars (carrying heimemene) down from standard level 8 down into planetary wandering stars levels 1-7. What Hermetic texts justify this imaginal construction?
I’ve marked up the phrases in the book Hermetic Spirituality where provably, Hanegraaff’s project is to SILENTLY, covertly remove the fixed stars (and their heimarmene/ no-free-will/ block universe eternalism) from Level 8, and jam them covertly down into Level 7 (Saturn) by using the word ‘stars’ covertly silently redefined to mean planets.
Hanegraaff introduces massive confusion and conflict with the standard mystic cosmology levels.
He should say explicitly what he’s doing, and he should quote Hermetic texts to justify doing this or to explain why the location of the fixed stars remains an open question for him and explicitly explain how he strategically writes-around that knowledge gap.
On my show last night I realized: if you don’t state where the fixed stars are per Hermetic texts, then BY DEFAULT, they automatically definitely go in Level 8, as a cosmological given – after all, they have to go somewhere.
You can’t just keep Level 8 and then silently omit the stars (and their heimarmene payload/referent).
Of course I mean the REAL stars, not his deceptively misused word ‘stars’ by which he means the 7 planets.
Without his quoting texts, I have to provisionally conclude that he’s forcing a misinterpretation and producing a technically incoherent model.
He’s trying to sell us a cosmology with no fixed stars, only the 7 wandering planet-stars.
He assigns heimarmene/fatedness to Saturn (Level 7) at the highest; he says Level 8 is outside the heimarmene-ruled “cosmos”.
In the 3 main cosmology brands, Level 8 is explicitly where heimarmene and fixed stars are – his model is in severe conflict.
Hanegraaff is trying to fabricate a unique cosmology to exaggerate Theurgy’s differences from and distance from the other brands of Transcendent Knowledge: the shared standard cosmology of Gnosticism, Mithraism, and Christianity.
He can’t quote David Ulansey’s work, because the problems would be unavoidably obvious.
He makes outright self-contradictory statements regarding the highest location of heimarmene in relation to zodiac and Level 8 and 9.
A spiritual ascent cosmology without the fixed stars. His book doesn’t mention “fixed stars” except to say it’s an open question whether they are placed at Level 7 or 8.
He mentions ‘zodiac’ 3 times, and assigns Heimarmene with its daimon possession and fatedness at Level 7 or 1-7, the planetary spheres, not “the Ogdoad” (which is a fancy, magic-word, obscurationist way of saying cosmology Level #8).
To the extent that Hanegraaff permits the cosmos to have a zodiac of constellations of fixed stars, he demotes it to a planetary level, 7.
All extremely quietly and hard to perceive him doing this; it’s parenthetical half-stated remarks in footnotes, infamous Footnote 114: .
We need to read everything into this, and read it in a worst-case reading.
It’s evident he’s not just narrowly talking about music theory: all throughout his speeches and writings, he silently places the fixed stars and the constellations of them nowhere and tries to cover up his cosmic spiriting-away of the stars by covertly silently redefining the word ‘stars’ to mean the 7 planets, only.
Saturn … Whether the fixed stars should be included or should rather be associated with the Ogdoad remains an open question for me.
He clearly doesn’t know what cosmic rug to sweep the fixed stars (with their heimarmene payload) under.
Hanegraaff Misuses Words, Introducing Confusion
This confusing, highly non-standard misuse of words such as ‘stars’ and ‘constellations’ runs throughout his writings and speeches.
IN MY BOOK REVIEW, HE FORCES ME TO DEFINE THE WORDS ‘STARS’ AND ‘ZODIAC’ AND ‘CONSTELLATIONS’!
To helpfully point out to customers/readers that he silently, very confusingly REDEFINES these words, just like he tries to redefine the word ‘entheogens’ to mean its exact opposite: “entheogenic religion/practices (sensu lato)” – translation: non-drug psychedelics.
Did you know that cave meditation & imagination exercises produce intense loose cognitive ego death, cybernetic seizure loss of control, forcing a mental model transformation, with the same efficacious intensity as heroic doses of Psilocybin?
Except they don’t – so all his assertions about “other, non-drug methods can produce” are falsehoods.
Toward a Generalized Standard Model of Spiritual Astral Ascent Cosmology
– Cybermonk August 7, 2022:
Kirsty Pattison quotes a quote from start of Copenhaver’s book.
The entire quote is highly relevant, but here’s the key part: keep in mind 7 = Saturn = highest wandering star level, “cosmos” seems to not include fixed stars level per Hanegraaff, so 8th (which MUST be where fixed stars would be) is called “hypercosmic”.
“at the seventh zone the deceit that lies in ambush. [26] And then, stripped of the effects of the cosmic framework, the human enters the region of the Ogdoad;56 he has his own proper power, and along with the blessed he hymns the father… They rise up to the father in order to surrender themselves to the powers, and having become powers, they enter into God. This is the final good for those who have received knowledge: to be made God.”
That particular passage, in isolation, partly appears to support Erik Davis’ Led Zeppelin IV book page 118 about spiritual ascent cosmology levels.
Davis’ 2005 book lowers the Empyrean down from level 10 to level 8 (fixed stars/ eternalism) and halts, with (like my 1997 Core theory) no level transcending no-free-will. His concept of the Emperian is a block universe no-free-will model, not transcending that to reach (we can say) qualified possibilism-thinking; “transcending eternalism”. The spirit transcends Heimarmene, where the soul remains.
But Theurgy’s level 8 is seemingly above heimarmene – hard to tell; Hanegraaff hasn’t hammered on figuring out this point, it’s an open question for him where the fixed stars go so he is mute, and confusion is unresolved.
Against Davis, Mithraism/Gnosticism and Christianity have a level (or 2, or 3 subdivisions) higher than block universe eternalism, and that level is called the Empyrean.
Davis’ 2005 book presents a flattened model that doesn’t break out “heimarmene transcendence” into two levels like my David Ulansey Precession 2003 posting introduced/ explained/ modelled.
The ultimate goal/referent for Egodeath theory is, CLARIFY HOW IN MYTH, DEATH AND REBIRTH HAPPEN WHEN CONSCIOUS OF ETERNALISM.
My job is to neaten and explicitly reconcile the cosmologies and myth systems (to map them efficiently to the Egodeath theory), not confusingly, silently omit the fixed stars like Hanegraaff does and misuse the word “astral” and “stars” and “cosmos” to mean only the 7 wandering stars (planets).
Discussions of variant cosmologies and fixed stars and Heimarmene and Saturn map to the referent per the Egodeath theory: mental model transformation from naive possibilism thinking to eternalism thinking, and then to qualified possibilism thinking when tight cognitive binding resumes.
I rummage through spiritual writings looking for confirmation of the key principle WHERE THERE’S EXPERIENCING OF ETERNALISM, THERE IS MENTAL MODEL TRANSFORMATION.
I try to bring all religious mythology, all four spiritual cosmology-level systems into alignment in the clearest most consistent simplest way, and so I’m against variations among the four brands of astral ascent mysticism/ spiritual ascent cosmology.
* Gnosticism
* Theurgy/Hermeticism – does it have a deviant placement of the “Heimarmene/ eternalism/ no-free-will/ non-branching possibilities” experiential transformative realization in Saturn instead of at the other schemes’ standard location, “Fixed Stars plus the Saturn gate”?
* Mithraism
* Christianity
The mess that is the Hermetic text fragments, their vagueness about where Heimarmene is and where the fixed stars are, must be solved by:
I need to build a simple clear mapping from a 3-level Egodeath theory model to a savvy carefully framed Generalized Standard Model of Spiritual Astral Ascent Cosmology
Davis’ 2005 book presents an impressively clear understanding, & description, of my outdated 1997 model. : /
Davis didn’t find my 2003 upward expansion per David Ulansey’s book about “Mithraism = precession of equinoxes = transcening eternalism” in my 2003 posting which must be present at Egodeath.com because that posting was before Valentines Day 2004.
My 2006 main article, asserting transcending the block universe, didn’t exist for Erik Davis’ 2005 book Led Zeppelin IV pages 118-119 & 122.
There’s a whole cluster of specific questions I’ve identified, though: how much deviance is there within “Hermetic texts”?
Hanegraaff writes about aspects of that problem, and about: Which texts are actually Hermetic?
Do Hermetic texts discuss the sphere of the fixed stars (how could they not?)
How deviant is Hermetic texts’ spiritual ascent cosmology vs. that of Gnosticism, Mithraism, and Christianity? Especially regarding: what’s the highest astral[broad sense: wandering & fixed stars] level at which Heimarmene rules – Saturn, or fixed stars?
Erik Davis well-covers himself when he writes “various interpretations”.
Davis used my 1997 model not my 2003 model that’s informed by David Ulansey’s hypercosmic (percession of equinoxes transcending the fixed stars/Heimarmene) model.
My 2003 posting defining the standard astral ascent mysticism / spiritual ascent cosmology model became a subsection in my 2006 main article.
In my book review of Hanegraaff’s book Hermetic Spirituality, I will point out Davis’ “error” but also point out Davis’ right statement “interpretations varied”.
Then, where does that leave us, now that the Egodeath theory has mapped Hanegraaff’s book’s cosmology as best as Hanegraaff’s “open question” of where to put the fixed stars will permit?
I continue asserting my mapping of the Egodeath theory to the standard late 10-level cosmology model, but I note how to vary that mapping in case some Hermetic texts place an eternalism rebirth at level 7 (Saturn) or level 8 (fixed stars).
Hanegraaff needs to focus on the question of where the Hermetic texts put the fixed stars, which represent Heimarmene.
Expressed directly, the question is:
In the four spiritual ascent cosmology levels systems:
What’s the highest level at which Heimarmene and a kind of “death and rebirth regarding Heimarmene” resides: Saturn, or fixed stars?
Saturn threatens and “gates” the child-mode thinking.
Functionally, Saturn & fixed stars both together are treated as the gate – or possibly a pair of gates.
1) Pass through gate 1 to die and be reborn into eternalism-consciousness;
2) Pass through gate 2 to move from soul to spirit, qualified possibilism thinking, transcending cosmic determinism/ fatedness/ eternalism/ block universe.
First we die to possibilism-thinking and reach no-free-will/heimarmene/ eternalism/ block-universe awareness, and then, we transcend basic eternalism-thinking and end up with qualified possibilism-thinking.
Like two gates: Saturn as a gate, and then the sphere of the fixed stars as a gate.
Article section: Transcending Determinism Requires Two Jumps
Saturn together with the fixed stars can be treated as the key single point of reference for experiential mental transformation: no-free-will.
Personal control dynamics, specifically and emphatically, is the pivotal climactic nature of the key altered-state experiencing and revelation of heimarmene/eternalism/ the frozen non-branching block universe.
Spiritul cosmologies must be recognized as centered on the altered-state experience of block universe no-free-will & non-control, loss of control; cybernetic control death, control instability and restoring personal viable control stability by seeing the uncontrollable Source OF CONTROL THOUGHTS.
Useful Motifs in the Book Hermetic Spirituality
Hanegraaff’s book covers useful elements to map the Egodeath theory to (bolstering corroboration of that Theory, our understanding of the main referent of myth, explanatory coherence, etc.):
reverence for the Source (pege) of all that exists
Kudos for Hanegraaff to taking up my criticism of his Dictionary of Gnosis for lacking the entheogenic altered state.
Hanegraaff’s imaginal construction of “non-drug entheogens” is an extreme overselling and over-elevation of cave meditation and imagination exercises, which are IN-CONTROL, thus PRETEND METHODS.
Those alleged, imposter methods are merely activities to do in the entheogen-induced altered state, and won’t make those activities effective at producing the divine transcendent loss-of-control ego death experience that forces the mental model transformation about control agency and possibility branching.
Against Hanegraaff’s book and keynote article, the word ‘entheogen’ by definition EXCLUSIVELY means substances – that’s the whole point and purpose of the word, per Jonathan Ott’s book The Angels’ Dictionary, and per Ruck and Wasson’s coining of the word. Really, by the exact same fallacious argument, this is tantamount to Hanegraaff proposing that we swallow the idea of “non-drug psychedelics”.
He wrote in his 2012 keynote article/chapter of the book Contemporary Esotericism, Entheogenic Esotericism (cited three times in this book, constituting 3 out of the 5 occurrences of the non-Indexed word ‘entheogen’) that he regretted not taking into account censorship, when he wrote about “no evidence for psychedelics in New Age” in his 1996 book.
He is not permitted to write realistically here. His treatment of this topic is constrained and censored so he puts forth the fallacious claim, in effect, that cave meditation and in-control imagination exercises actually produce the same intense and effective transcendent loss-of-control altered state that a peak dosage of Cubensis would produce, in a series of ten on-demand sessions.
Cave meditation doesn’t measure up to this Eadwine standard.
Cave meditation and imagination exercises do not produce this transcendent experiencing
Hanegraaff’s imagination produces, using the fallacious argument “etymology of a word sets the meaning of the word”, he proposes the concept of non-drug psychedelics, in order to falsely and artificially claim that cave meditation “can”[despite doesn’t] cause the transcendent loss-of-control experience that maximum doses of Cubensis produces.
Cave meditation, and in-control meditation exercises, is not the kind of thing that produces loss-of-control and mental model transformation, as shown in Eadwine psalter folio page f134, leg-hanging mushroom tree and banqueting, self-threatening psalter reader, and two cybercides, in case one isn’t enough (both of them smiling, like Hanegraaff’s “thoroughly positive” depiction of Hermeticism).
Hanegraaff casually proposes to open the definition of the word ‘entheogens’ to include the enemy, the false claim that those activities are methods of producing the loosecog state. Such a modest proposal is unwelcome in the extreme, in the field of entheogen scholarship, and it’s offensive to allow these fraudulent imposters into the sacred space of actual entheogens.
Just say no to Hanegraaff’s worst idea of any academic ever: non-drug entheogens.
Hanegraaff “broadens current understandings” of the word, like robbing a bank broadens current understandings of making a withdrawal.
Hanegraaff’s 3-times cited keynote-speech article “Entheogenic Esotericism” renders the word “entheogen” unusable by scramling its meaning and redefining it to mean its exact antonym.
Against page 5-6 of Hanegraaff’s book, where he continues to propose “entheogens (sensu lato)”, which cites his 2012 article “Entheogenic Esotericism”: as I posted to the world-wide web eight years before Hanegraaff’s 2012 article:
Subject: Authentic esotericism is entheogenic esotericism (June 12, 2004) – “Authentic esotericism is entheogenic esotericism. Entheogens are the key to esotericism. This is the simplest possible theory of esotericism, and the most natural, the least contrived and strained. Theories of esotericism that are not based on entheogens suffer from the problem of grandiose verbiage, unmet promises and claims, chronic vagueness, excuses for lack of potent and prompt efficacy, and no ability to deliver the experiences which are talked about. Drug-free esotericism doesn’t work; it is not effectively ergonomic.”
Abraham is in Hanegraaff’s “spectacular alternate state of consciousness” from non-drug entheogens as indicated by the John Rush motif of {lifted garment}, probably induced by imagination exercises while cave mediation
The Madness of Heracles
Cosmology Levels
Helios God of Eternalism, Mithras God of Hypercosmos
“”astral immortality,” a god possessing such a literally world-shaking and Fate-overriding power would clearly have been eminently worthy of worship: since he had control over and above the ironclad law of cosmic determinism, he would automatically have power over the deterministic astrological forces of Fate, heimarmene, or Necessity determining life on earth, and would also possess the ability to guarantee the psyche or spirit a safe journey during the intense mystic altered state through the deterministic celestial spheres during mystic ego death and rebirth.”
“The Hermetic astrology of around 250 CE is similar to that of the Renaissance.”
Perfect, but doesn’t explicitly state that Hermetic writings / Theurgy associates Heimarmene with the sphere of the fixed stars.
Can we assume that Theurgy places the fixed stars in the 8th sphere like other brands of cosmology do?
We especially require Hermetic texts explicitly stating or directly unavoidably implying that the highest level at which Heimarmene is located or based is the sphere/level of the fixed stars.
In the Theurgy version of spiritual ascent cosmology, is Heimarmene in the Ogdoad (8th cosmic sphere level), as it is in Gnosticism, Mithraism, and Christianity?
Errata – agghh correction, thanks to super-study Erik Davis’ wording in Led Zeppelin IV – the planets are astral/stars: they are 7 wandering stars spheres, vs the sphere of the fixed stars.
uses “soul” in much too broad sense for levels 8-10. soul is limited to level 8.
retrieved my 2016 Hanegraaff article printouts
I plan the structure of the book review to be by chapters. And then emphasize cosmology lvls 1-10 throughout the ch’s.
You are predestined and fated to decide to read this book; there’s no choice; the path for you is decided; destiny planned out; it’s written in the stars; you have no control over your attention [quote early pages about if scholars aren’t in control of their minds, not able to direct their attention]
To Do Put Here List of Quotes with page numbers
i need a text file filled with quotations from the book
There are many great cool phrases re: no-free-will heimarmene non-control in this book, praying for rescue from above, all that negative stuff he kicks out (repressess & dissociates) from his numbered “thoroughly positive” cosmology levels.
Davis Led Zep IV Book Is Eternalism-Only Cosmology
Erik Davis cites my “no-free-will transformation then full transcendence” theory and misstates: “level the 8 fixed stars is called the Empyrium , where the Elect reside”- writers crash and burn at the transcendent levels, need to go back to school.
no-free-will is not highest cosmological spiritual level.
I posted to the web about “entheogenic esotericism”, 8 years before his 2012 article Entheogenic Esotericism: “Authentic esotericism is entheogenic esotericism”
[put in the relev chapter section on non-drug entheogens, he cites 3x. out of 5x the word entheogens is in this book
todo: read pages indexed as ‘psychoactive’]
I posted on the w-w web the posting “Authentic esotericism is entheogenic esotericism” 8 years before his 3x cited article that invents by imagination non-drug entheogens , 8 years before Hanegraaff’s EE article.
Psalter the Stars and also Beyond the Stars
Eadwine’s Great Mushroom psalter folio page f134 shows a both feet off ground beard/mystic hat super-enlightened guy.
beyond the stars = part of us, the spirit, is beyond no-free-will block univ cosmos.
beyond heimarmene/eternalism; qualified possibilism-thinking when tightcog baseline returns after Hanegraaff’s intense mystic altered state ends.
The fault comes from academia and that Hanegraaff has done a massive amount to repair the errors of academia.
Hanegraaff shows that how very backwards they are and he does as much as he is allowed and permitted.
His moves in constructing via historians imagination non-drug entheogens, egged on by Erik Davis who he favorably cites, are ridiculous, but he is in a ridiculous situation and he is forced to write a bunch of nonsense that doesn’t hold up to two seconds of critique – people acting as if cave meditation and imagination exercises is going to produce the same result as two bowls of cubensis ten times is ludicrous.
It’s not his fault – it’s academia is just that benighted.
He has already hinted that academia is struggling badly to try to keep up with the popular research that is not hidebound he has said that (specifically in Jay Kinney’s Gnosis journal and Park Street press/ inner traditions/ bear and Company publisher) the term gnosis is correctly understood, by default, as simply a given, in the popular books, understood obviously to be higher altered state experiencing.
But academia is to dumb and hidebound to grasp or admit that Elementary point that’s now considered self-evident to the popular audience.
Academia is struggling to keep up , and in fact I have completely broken away not constrained and hamstrung and heavily censored.
How can academia possibly make any progress & keep up with popular scholarship when there is this intensive 100% censorship.
They are literally not permitted to assert and they are shaking in their shoes like trembling wusses paralyzed in fear of, that I can write it and they’re not allowed to write it, and they put it on my shoulders and they make it my responsibility to say what they are not permitted to say,
such as the Allegro-like position, combining Esotericism and ahistoricity and entheogens
they would be instantly unemployed if they asserted the truth, and that proves academia is illegitimate and incapable of writing the truth.
Hanegraaff is forced to use the old stratagem of asserting ridiculous alternatives to the truth so that everyone can recognize how ridiculous this assertion would be he cannot be treated as a sincere writer he is forced to write what he knows to be false.
and we can see now this conflict of interest that makes everybody all these meditation proponents try to misrepresent meditation as if it’s function is to induce the altered state rather than simply be an activity a mental activity to be done within the entheogen-induced altered state.
and no I am certainly not going to give an inch to his the worst idea of any academic ever to treat the word entheogens as if it’s broader than the word substances.
100% no most certainly and emphatically the word entheogens is definitely not 1 mm broader than drug plant chemicals – hard NO!
I am speaking on behalf of the entire field of entheogen scholarship, when I say:
Academia is not allowed to broaden the word ‘entheogens’ to mean non-drug entheogens, these ineffectual, too weak, bogus pretended “other methods that ‘can'[meaning don’t] produce… ” that do not produce the same intensity as heroic doses, eg two bowls of cubensis 10 times, that is powerful & effective in driving out egoic freewill premised, branching-world premised control thinking.
This historical imagination invents non-drug entheogens as an avoidance strategy to protect egoic thinking, producing the usual failure of the field, merely exoteric esotericism.
So it’s a miracle that Hannegraaff is permitted to write as much truth as he is, given how 100% hidebound, paralyzed, and censorious mental shackles that academia has.
Regarding his severely malformed cosmology, I am going to concretely tell readers:
every time he writes the word ‘stars, astral, zodiac, cosmos, or heimarmene’, write what I write next to it, which is the number 8 and the word ‘Ogdoad’. Then the Hanegraaff leap/gap becomes apparent, perceptible, unconcealed.
This forces Hanegraaff to bring back in the stars where they belong in the Ogdoad rather than where he tries to put them under the Hanegraaff sweep them under the Hanegraaff rug floating nowhere in outer space
I am only undecided on how many quotes I should quote from him where:
He contradicts himself constantly calling “the cosmos” the seven planetary spheres.
He leaps over the stars, and then he says “now that we have left the Astral zone, …”
He says, “let us leave and travel beyond the seventh planetary sphere of Saturn and then move outside of the cosmos to the Ogdoad. now that we have left the Astral Sphere…” – an indirect assertion, word-switching game to sneak out no-free-will / heimarmene out from his precious “hypercosmic”[sic] transcendent Ogdoad level 8.
in an indirect way he writes
Here are quotes [x, x, x] that prove that he is trying to conflate the Astral Sphere with the sphere of Saturn in order to remove the stars & heimarmene/ the no-free-will transformation gate from the level of the Ogdoad.
This doesn’t make any sense by any measure.
You can’t remove the stars from the Ogdoad , they are level 8 by definition, this is a cosmological Given: the stars (equals Heimarmene) equals the Ogdoad.
This is universally held by everybody in the cosmos except for Hanegraaff who claims its an open question.
what the f
you can’t do that
on what basis
The book leaves us with the grand unanswered question from Hanegraaff.
there is no justification for the book not addressing this.
He has no excuse for footnote 114 that says “it’s an open question for me whether to associate the fixed stars with Saturn or the Ogdoad “.
On what text basis, which of the Hermetic Texts allows him to do this?
Which of the Hermetic texts allows him to remove the stars and Heimarmene from the Ogdoad?
The book has to state this and he has to explain exactly why footnote 114 why is it an open question.
How can it possibly be an open question?
How can the Hermetic text possibly leave HannahGraff saying that it’s an open question?
In what way do the hermetic specific texts allow you to say that “it’s an open question of whether to jam the stars into the planet Saturn, jam the fixed stars into the moving planets.
this doesn’t make any sense
From which specific Hermetic Tex does Hannah graph get this strong assertion that he’s very strongly asserts all throughout the book that the cosmos equals the seven planetary spheres but he never ever says whether the cosmos does or does not contain the fixed stars.
and then he always every time he always asserts that the Ogdoad is outside of the cosmos
then where exactly please be specific where exactly are the fixed stars
he definitely implies that the fixed stars are inside the seven planets spheres
this doesn’t make any sense
but he definitely implies that but he never discusses it properly and straightforwardly
and I shall explain to you here right now exactly why IMarmany and the fixed ours is the very most important most pivotal thing and the level at which the rebirth occurs, the highest cosmic level which is 8 the fixed stars not 7 Saturn.
he says that a rebirth occurs in Saturn planet level 7.
this numbering has a gigantic gap regarding the fixed stars
he assigns level # 7 to Saturn & he assigns 8 to the Ogdoad which he says is outside of the cosmos , and he places the stars nowhere except in a mealymouthed indirect way he roundabout definitely implies that the stars are at Saturn.
he’s striving, he wants badly to put the stars into the Saturn level 7, you can see him really wishing and trying and wanting to do that, placing the fixed stars (heimarmene) into the planet wandering level – he quietly SNEAKS the fixed stars (& thus heimarmene/fatedness) out from the Ogdoad 8th level, [suppression/dissociation/repression in his “thoroughly positive” spiritual cosmology 🦄💨🌈] down into the Hebdomad 7th level.
how does he put the stars at Saturn
what hermetic text just justifies him limiting the cosmos to only the seven planets and not the stars
but then he implies that includes the stars
he is a self-contradiction and he doesn’t explain his hermetic text basis for making that self-contradiction and that vagueness about where in the F do you put it stars and where are you put the fixed stars
the level of the fixed stars is the most important level and he leaves it out and he doesn’t explain what texts make him leave it out.
and now he makes me resort to reading the Hermetic texts myself to answer the question, the most important question what he didn’t answer:
are the fixed stars inside or outside the cosmos?
David Ulansey clearly says that the fixed stars are level 8, which is the cosmos, and the stars are the cosmic boundary, highest level of the cosmos.
this basic Hanegraaff gap is regardless of the word cosmos and how you define it
it is the simplest cosmological given that the level above 7, Saturn, is level number 8, which is the fixed stars, which is the Ogdoad.
that’s true regardless of whether you call that “the highest level of the cosmos”.
this is all elementary and completely contradicted by his vague book
there is just no defending this, there is no justification for his failure to discuss why he says “it’s an open question”
what the hell are you talking about, it’s not an open question, that’s the most closed question in the world
your precious Ogdoad *is* Heimarmene!!
the Ogdoad is the eighth level as he says and Ogdoad is the fixed stars as a cosmological elementary / primitive basic given (the level of heimarmene).
you cannot remove Heimarmene from the Ogdoad and place it nowhere in your cosmology
this is the most important level of the cosmology is the fact that highMarmany is the fixed stars is Ogdoad is the cosmic boundary
this is all elementary how can he f this up and leave us in a trainwreck massive confusion right at the most important level.
as the ego death theorist I rely on my star by which I sail by
my key central point of reference the most important thing in the world is the level of the fix stars which is no free will/ hiMarmany / eternalism and he leaves it out
how am I supposed to map my ego death theory to his spiritual cosmology when he just presents us with a muddled inarticulate self-contradictory mess, right where I need this specific point of reference: the heimarmene fixed stars cosmic boundary 8th cosmic shpere Ogdoad 🤬😱🤯😤🤨🤷♂️🤦♂️
I have my book review of his gnosis of his dictionary of gnosis already docked him two stars for omitting entheogens.
I am not docking a star for falsely alleging that imagination/ meditation “may”[read: doesn’t] produce “spectacular alternative states of consciousness” as intensely as heroic doses of two bowls of cubensis ten times as shown in folio page f134 of the Paris Eadwine Canterbury Psalter, showing a branching-message mushroom tree with right-limb balancing, hanging, and God’s sword of mystic-state death, next to a banqueting initiation scene.
I would consider restoring the fifth star if he will restore the stars to his cosmology and explain exactly why does he consider it “an open question” of whether to associate the fixed stars/heimarmene with Saturn level 7 or with the Ogdoad level 8.
he has some major central explaining to do of how it is that the negative Experiencing of Heimarmene no free will block universe eternalism relates to rebirth and transcending the cosmos like David Ulansey’s hypercosmic cosmology in Mithraism book and articles.
You can’t just put the stars nowhere and then pretend that you didn’t do that.
It is a firm requirement given the nature of the spiritual cosmology which is the subject of this book it is a firm non-negotiable requirement that you have to explicitly state and integrate the fixed stars level ( IMarmany ) into your spiritual cosmology
you can’t just try to stay silent and place these stars off to the side in an earlier chapter which is placing them nowhere in your numbered levels Of your spiritual cosmology which is based on numbered levels
this Hanegraaff Leap doesn’t fly
you are not left with a coherent cosmology at all
right where the most important level is, heimarmene/the highest cosmic sphere, of the fixed stars, which every single cosmology diagram agrees on this one thing , there are seven planet spheres, and then the sphere above that is the stars
how can he not get this right and call it “an open question”
what Hermetic text support that
please explain
now I have to go do my own research on this central key important question which he just waves aside in footnote 114.
not in an articulate way but at least he does state explicitly:
I can’t figure out where to put the fixed stars in my spiritual cosmology level numbering 1 through 10.
how in the Hermetic texts can this possibly be described as “an open question”?!
you’ve got to place the fixed stars (heimarmene) somewhere.
where exactly do you place the fixed stars and heimarmene?
His spiritual ascent cosmology stumbles right at the central most important level, the pivotal point of reference, the stars by which we sail.
My Egodeath theory of Transcendent Knowledge requires knowing this.
I cannot map my theory to your spiritual cosmology if you won’t include the fixed stars in your cosmology.
you need to integrate Heimarmene into your spiritual cosmology.
and unless you have some hermetic texts to the contrary, you can start by placing them where everybody places them – of course obviously, it’s an elementary/ basic/ primitive cosmological given, that the fixed stars – which are heimarmene/fatedness – go in the Ogdoad.
do you have some hermetic text that presents some different cosmology than this, or some reason in the texts to deviate from the common standard shared cosmology that everybody holds to?
so you need to straighten out your sht, get get your story clear
he needs to revise his story
it doesn’t work, it’s not coherent, it’s not articulated of how heimarmene/no-free-will relates to rebirth
which I will tell you right here summarized according to the ego death theory which is left to fulfill the gap that he leaves
in footnote 114 he says it’s an open question
well the ego the theory has to step in and provide the summary sentence here to try to repair his gigantic inconsistent gap
it’s called the Hanegraaff Leap where he leaps from Saturn planetary sphere to the what he calls the Ogdoad that he claims is outside of the cosmos and is above the level of the fixed stars/heimarmene,
where in the hell does the fixed stars/ heimarmene go
this is the Hanegraaff Leap
I can’t, as a theorist I cannot map to this broken system that’s broken right at the key level #8 which is heimarmene.
he never states where do the fixed stars level of sphere stand, what number, what level number is that in relation to where rebirth occurs.
he has some major, major explaining to do here!!!
I really am almost forced to doc a star, not for the entheogens, but for his failure – this is a cosmological trainwreck!
on what hermetic Texts basis can he try to place the stars nowhere and get rid of heimarmene from his cosmology and place it nowhere?!
8:15 – Hanegraaff’s cosmology leaps over and omits or doesn’t recognize the sphere of the fixed stars.
He doesn’t realize that the glorious “hypercosmic”[sic] Ogdoad is the sphere of the fixed stars, Fate, Heimarmene.
A footnote in the music chapter is the lone single place where he says “fixed stars”, to state that he doesn’t know which sphere number to put them at:
“Whether the fixed stars should be included [with Saturn] or should rather be associated with the Ogdoad remains an open question for me.”
– p 294 note 114 in Hermetic Spirituality
This is not an open question. The sphere of the fixed stars is the Ogdoad, and he is confused when he says the 7 planetary spheres are the whole cosmos.
The cosmos includes the sphere of the fixed stars, which is Heimarmene, which is the Ogdoad, which he correctly says is the 8th sphere.
This is elementary basic cosmology. He doesn’t state how this is supposedly an open question.
He wishes to protect the Ogdoad from negative Heimarmene, in his zeal to give a “thoroughly positive” reading.
He neglects to integrate Heimarmene (fixed stars; consciousness of fatedness) in his conception of rebirth.
This is the Hanegraaff leap – over the sphere of the fixed stars, trying to jump over Heimarmene (the no-free-will, non-control experience), which IS the Ogdoad.
When you read his book, write “8” next to the word ‘star’ and ‘astral’, and then his leap over and his dissociative splitting of the 8th sphere into two unaccounted-for spheres (of negative stars and of positive rebirth) becomes apparent and unconcealed, made perceptible.
What is the standard that any claimed non-drug method of producing “spectacular altered states” must reach? Same as a regular series of heroic doses.
Any such alleged method must be “spectacular”, as Hanegraaff argues and emphasizes.
To live up to the ‘spectacular’ requirement, the other, non-drug methods must actually produce the same overall user experience as a series of sessions, once per week for 10 weeks, of a bowl of cubensis followed by another bowl an hour later.
The Egodeath theory 