feb 2 2022 i did an amateur recording, this morning much better

to download: Entheogens and the Ancient Mystery Religions – M. Hoffman – June 1, 2022 – raw tracking recording, v2 read-through
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/03/09/idea-development-page-13/#Entheogens-and-the-Ancient-Mystery-Religions
Additional info at that page.

https://www.academia.edu/44235520/Entheogens_Psychedelic_Drugs_and_the_Ancient_Mystery_Religions_Mark_A_Hoffman

hope to now upload the raw recording 34:00 long, then later upload a produced version of this voice recg

no slurring

no mouth noises

energetic; speech spoken conversational, not quiet reading tone

voice work progress since feb 2021

7:57 am May 26 2022

not born from branching legs, but from non-branching side. right side not left side

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Regarding the history of mushrooms in Greek & Christian history, Wasson has contributed nothing but obstructionism, and has contributed nothing, and less than nothing.

according to my “needs fact-check”, off-the-cuff talking in Egodeath Mystery Show episode 145a ~1:10:00

Wasson in no meaningful, relevant sense is “the father of ethnomycology”.

Bury him in narrowing qualifiers and emphasize his efforts to obstruct and impede the study of mushrooms in Christian history.

Wasson multiple times censored Panofsky’s twice-recommended citation of Brinckmann’s 1906 book Tree Stylizations in Medieval Paintings.

Wasson labored and went out of his way to prevent mycologists from conducting scholarly inquiry into mushroom imagery in Christian art, and worked hard to limit the engagement to insults, name-calling, and argument from authority, to strategically prevent & discourage actual investigation into mushroom imagery in Christian art.

Allegro was pretty wildly far off-track too. He only got one word right, ”mushroom’, and misconceptualized the meaning and role of that, as secret amanita, under the Suppression paradigm/ presupposition matrix.

I summed the contributions to the topic of psilocybin* in Christianity from Wasson, Allegro, and Hatsis, and it came out to 0.

* & 🍄

The moment you propose moving from a lower level to a higher level through a conditional gate, you immediately fall into forming Ken Wilber’s zillion-stage, 3-stage, 12-level ladder, by extending the concept of moving from an early level to a later, better level.

Climb the planetary spheres through the gates, starry sphere of fixed stars, & beyond the eternalism-ruled cosmos.

Things to Inventory

interpret row 2 right. beard & funnel hat & no foot down, attached at base/mushroom to limbless beardless guy. Has mushroom hem prominent at stability column base, so is signalled as demanding interpretation.

live zoom (mobile: landscape orient.) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10551125c/f134.item.zoom

How many wear funnel hat?

How many have beards?

How many are limbless?

How many have left hand up?

How many have right foot down? left, both, none?

Funnel banquet row 1 right: no limbs.

Funnel row 2 right: beardless limbless guy attached to funnel guy who has no foot down.

Funnel row 2 middle: has usual limbs & positions.

father at banquet: beard, limbless, no funnel hat.

how many looking right

3 Levels

1) naive possibilism-thinking = beardless, left foot down, right hand up

2) eternalism-thinking = right foot down, left hand up, beardless or bearded

3) qualified possibilism-thinking = funnel beard limbless, no foot down. hyper-transcendent, above the non-branching eternalism block universe level

consistency vs flexibility (tolerance, play)

A scheme that ends with eternalism, as level 2, can be out-marketed by a scheme that claims to be ultra-transcendent, having a level 3+.

or say 2+, for a simple model that can’t be surpassed:

possibilism then eternalism+.

qualified possibilism-thinking = eternalism+

detailed table of contents extracted by Cybermonk

May 26, 2022 simultaneous voice recording and voice transcription w 75% correct words below

voice dictation outline detailed outline creating a detailed outline of the book gnostic Nuage

chapter list

chapters acknowledgments introduction chapter 1 the matrix of ancient spirituality

chapter 2 the gnostic true man

chapter 3 super powers and monsters

chapter 4 Paul and gnostic dogma

chapter 5 John and dark cosmos

chapter 6 gnostic altered states

chapter 7 hell walks and star treks

chapter 8 spiritual avatars

chapter 9 the pie of politics

chapter 10 Pleasantville religions

chapter 11 gnosticism out on a limb

bibliography

English translations of gnostic sources

Phil Moggre fee

index

Detailed table of contents

by Cybermonk; only available here; available exclusively here

may 26 , 2022

acknowledgment

introduction

forbidden scriptures

a revolutionary spirituality

the dirty word gnosticism

real gnostics

gnosticism and fundamentalism

the ideal characteristics of gnostic spirituality

worship at the margins

elastic renaissance

chapter 1 the matrix of ancient spirituality

Thomas Anderson

servant spirituality

life and death in Babylonia

submission for eternity in Egypt

the Greek mortal differential

the immortal soul

capricious dealings in Israel covenant spirituality

mercy and forgiveness

ecstatic spirituality

Otherworld invasions

Persephone’s darlings

the red pill

chapter 2 the gnostic true man

Truman Burbank

gnostic spirituality and the experience of God

the transcendent god of Egypt

the religious buffer

the true man

Adam the first man

a real piece of God

the shamanic quest

pilgrims in Egypt

Religion on its head

demons in charge

beyond the borders

you’re the star

chapter 3 superpowers and monsters

Clark Kent

pagan gnosticism and the hermetics

the super power Hermes krypton neck weakness

hermetic rescue

biblical gnosticism and the Scythians

cracks in God

the gnostic monster I Alda bath

stealth Setian superpowers

Samaritan gnosticism and Simon the great power

Helena’s in trapment

flying high with Simon

savior of the world

chapter 4 Paul and gnostic dogma

Bethany Sloan

emergent Christianity

Jews devoted to Jesus

Gentiles convert

an ineffective law

Yahweh as Jesus

it’s a mystery

the universal one God

mystical baptism

all things are lawful

no longer slaves

Paul in Retreat

the surprising God

chapter 5 John and the dark cosmos

John Murdoch

Jesus the descendent light

gnostic foot prints

where in the devil is the father

two guards gods

Samaritan converts

Simon says

Baptist converts

an apostolic Catholic elder reads the gospel of John

A hostile takeover

Sorrentothis is in the bathhouse

what makes us human

chapter 6 gnostic altered states

Eddie Jessup

separation anxiety

Universe in a body

the gnostic cure

the structure of gnostic Initiation

quickening

catharsis

maturation

integration

gnostic incubation

The ecstatic brain the power of chanting on mushrooms shared trauma

chapter 7 hell walks and star treks

James T Kirk

out of the cave

liberation from reincarnation

Draco’s travelers from hell to Virgo

Jesus the Stargate

zodiac avengers

a nocturnal sky trek

elohims hello hymns Star Trekkers

ascent to the good

hermaphrodites at Heaven’s Gate

awakening the child

up to Venus and the house of God

the five seals

platonic Transcendence

if God were an archon

standing Sethians

chapter 8 spiritual avatars

Jake Soli Valyn tennis the almost pup

a duel Church

Lovers Ln.,

Ptolemy writes flora

the shocking truth

the great chain of being

Heracleion and the Samaritan woman at the well

Catholics in the middle

pagan devils

the sights and sounds of truth

The internation of God

there is something in the wine

the spiritual gnostic church

gnostic tombstones

the terror of bold speech

the well of souls

chapter 9 the pie of politics

Maximilian Max Cohen

Madness for sure

breaching norms

crimes against God

titanic hubris

when the king becomes a dog

naughtiness behind closed doors

how our differences valued

who is in the know

private or public

whose reading is right

Jew

do you or Christian

subordination or insubordination

culture and counterculture in Rome

gnostics strategies

tough competition

the Orthodox called prescription

the orthodox prescription

catholic alignment

gnostic insanity

chapter 10 Pleasantville religions

Betty Parker

a dead man’s Religion

rediscovering the Gospel of Judithjudas

you’re a gem

the faithless 12

sacrifice to the dark Lord

Manny and his avatar

Manny and the bleeding dates

awakened to real religion

ships of light

the extreme body

The mysteries of Jeu

liturgies of the dead for the living

transposing the stars

Jesus is not duejue

Mandy and memories

Mirai and the exulted light

Nazario gnostics soul vessels

ritual waterworks

True religion

chapter 11 gnosticism out on a limb

Shirley McClain

meeting of the minds

gnostic artifacts

gnostic awakenings

the future of gnosticism

bibliography

English translation of gnostic sources

film on graffiti

index

entheogens/psychedelics – p 41 185 +251 274. Constantly mentioned on every other page of the book – but no index entry.

Kind of like I literally ask esoteric bookstore owner guy about psychedelics books “no we don’t have any ”

and I say “you do have them; they’re scattered everywhere, youve just scattered and diluted them, you’ve spread them around. you have plenty of them, you just don’t gather them into a section.”

Then he tells me bullsht fcking insanity nonsense false hoods and lies about “psychedelics burn a hole in your soul spirit aura” bull shiite 🐂💩->🍄

heading May 22

May 22 I been recording reading from this book 6 hours for Ep145 of Egodeath Mystery Show https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/03/09/idea-development-page-13/#Egodeath-Mystery-Show-Episode-145

Egodeath Mystery Show Episode 144, May 21, 2022 https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/03/09/idea-development-page-13/#Egodeath-Mystery-Show-Episode-144 – I read aloud only the psychedelic key words.

April DeConick 2016

I have hardcover first printing 2016, 6 years ago I read every line of this book, but now it feels like a new book I haven’t read.

To do:

• read aloud each subheading
• create a detailed table of contents
• selected readings
• read aloud wool’s rvw

James Woolseys review semi-correctly states her book lacks psychedelics. hope ppl get facts accurate, can be hard. psychedelics are constantly hovering in the margins of this book as a point of reference, though she mostly asserts gnostics achieved their psilocybin altered state by means of zen meditation; the usual bull shiite 🤥🐂

why dont you demonstrate this method for us, DeConick?

Mentions M. Hoffman 🤨 & Egodeath.com

I read every line and highlighted & re-found and read aloud today the psychedelics key phrases. Check index too, if claim her book lacks psychedelics.

Looks like some good passages worth (re)reading.

Her response to Michael A Wlliams’ influential book

Cyberdisciple analyzes Ruck 1975 bc easier to see the bunk dated anthropology Theories early Ruck employs more explicitly than sneakily later tangled woven in , replacing phen’y

How will Hatsis’ views develop? nowhere to go but up

Irvin developed from Gnostic Media to Logos Media and left entheogen scholarship after expose

Early Ken Wilber vs later

James Kent book PIT, TRP mag, flipped against

the notion that Wasson changed his view on the tree

My 1986 character of phrases usage vs reset and fresh approach distinctive in April 1987. led to 1988 loose block universe theory, summarized in 1997 summary outline posting at Principia Cybernetica site

My 1985-1997 Phase 1 Core theory (core concepts wordpress page)

my 1998-2007-2022 Phase 2 Entheogenic Myth theory. (key mythemes page)

2007 block universe worldlines ({tree}??),

2010-2022 left vs right = branching vs nonbranching = possibilism vs eternalism

warning – excess treble in Ep143 🙉, recommend settings > music > eq > Treble Reducer, or Small Speakers. then reset later. will calibrate my mics’ brightness in future – spent entire evening 😔 determining the treble cut (for my current miking setup) than will give the intended brightness for average speakers.

trying to articulate this idea that keeps coming up and I keep alluding to it when I ask :

why did browns get the color high-resolution image of the tapestry, if they had only one photograph and it was clearly the one with the caption, which is therefore the low-grade low Fidelity Young irvin collection photograph of the tapestry, and they used that to determine that this is not mushroom icon.

then why tell me why then did they bother to obtain later afterwards the high resolution photograph from the Abbey, if they already knew by that time, back when they only had the single lousy Young Irving Photo, they had already determined that this is definitely not mushroom icon, then why did they subsequently after they made that conclusion based on the one poor photograph, why did they afterwords go to the trouble to obtain the photograph from the Abbey, since they knew by that time that it was not mushroom icon?

It seems to me like they did not really believe what they claim to belive in the book, that it is not a Mushroom icon.

furthermore well why do they print in their book in a framing as if it is mushroom icon?

The browns functionally contradict themselves.

We’ve never seen such a thing before: self-contradiction, within the field of entheogen scholarship?? 🤯

tell me it isn’t so!

how can this be?! it’s unthinkable

In the music player title of the song that I uploaded yesterday it’s missing the camera emoji

📸🤥

I want to add that, I think it really is pretty essential

but I actually talk about maybe three different puzzles and mysteries

three distinct Mysteries including the missing citation

the Mystery of the Missing Citation in the Wasson/Panofsky (pair!😬) of letters

The Mystery of “the photograph held up to the window” – was there a 500-page b&w discount-edition book attached to that “photograph that you brought with you”, perchance?? 🤔

The Mystery of the rhetorical framing of the tapestry as entheogen icon evidence: is it a good 🍄👍, or bad🍄👎?? 🤔??

(thats prev ep)

The Mystery of the Adequacy of the Blurry Irvin Photo –

Browns say that the Jan Irving and John rush collections of images are poor fidelity and as a result of that, they lead to errors of interpretation.

yet browns in the book claim that they were able to use Jan Irvin’s photo that he provided of the tapestry was sufficient for them to perceive adequate recognition of the features of the tapestry vial (we definitely see flat base & serrations) to enable a definite assessment of whether the art item is an entheogenic icon.

You cannot blame browns’ error of assessment of the vial on the blurriness of jans image, because browns don’t say that “this Jan Irving image is too blurry to assess; we need to go to see the tapestry”;

they instead say “we looked at jan’s fair-fidelity image and were able to came up with a definite assessment, since we were able to hold the (500-page) “photograph” up to the window and definitely perceive flat base and serrations.”

what they did with those correct perceptions is a different story. they here make a negative and wrong assessment, but that wrong assessment was not because of blurriness of the picture

after they later attained the color high-resolution image they did not change their position and they continue to hold the same position and they published it carved in stone in their book the assertion that this high-resolution image just the same as they saw in the blurry Jan urban image both the high-resolution and low resolution images both yield the same assessment and that we did not need the high-resolution image to draw that same assessment but the high resolution image simply agreed with the conclusion we already reached from the adequate low resolution picture so We did not need the high-resolution image to realize that this is not Mushroom art.

browns never credit their recognition that it is not mushroom art to the later improved Fidelity which they were given by the Abbey high-resolution picture.

their story & claims are inconsistent. they don’t stay true to their own story in any significant way.

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As wrmspirit like others asserted,

I reserved agreeing with the common statement that a little round thing in hand is probably a mushroom, but I agree, upon considering the tree of knowledge: the snake brings a little round thing often, and Eve hands to Adam a little round thing often.

So 🍄 is really our best candidate; that a little round thing in the hand is reasonably a mushroom.

Which is to be understood as the experiencing of non-branching mental mode which brings gnosis

so this is essentially the physical form of the physical packaging of gnosis

so to hand someone this round thing is to hand them a package of gnosis, which is a synthetic gelcap Johns Hopkins Psilocybin, A piece of paper, A little scroll to swallow to make the stomach bitter and have visions bringing the right limb non-branching experiencing and mental model.

analogical psychedelic eternalism

🍄 grows on host tree root, so is the fruit of the tree. Per Heinrich book 1994 I’m pretty sure; looks like fallen apple and my own photos/eyes confirm that.

A back up of a reply to a comment, a mobile back up. I composed this pretty long posting in a scary two-line microscopic little editing window, which is a big risk of losing data.

I include Amanita images and I consider Muscimol same as an extinct strain of ergot: a sheer possibility, nothing but a question mark, a complete unknown.

Do you believe that Mystery Plant X was the main visionary plant?

I can’t say any meaningful statements about a completely unknown chemical about which the more we hear the clearer it becomes that it is unclear what the effects of this thing are

🍄 seems like 15 different effects all jumbled together.

it’s just a wildcard ; could be anything.

Amanita can produce any experiencing, any cognitive state.

So, pretty useless for building a theory on. Too vague.

I could construct an elaborate qualifier like to the extent that amanita produces loose cognitive association, without producing or requiring other, distracting, competing experiences – or to the extent that amanita is as high quality of a targeted cognitive loosener as Psilocybin, then we can treat Amanita the same as Psilocybin.

which one is the benchmark point of reference upon which is a solid rock that we can build a theory on as a specific point of reference for its experiential effects is psilocybin.

Then the question becomes: how efficient is amanita compared to the benchmark standard rock-solid point of reference, which is psilocybin?

Do not make amanita the point of reference benchmark, like most scholars try to do.

That role is reserved for psilocybin, which is completely determinate, completely known, and even used in today’s oh-so sophisticated clinics – tell me why don’t they use amanita, which is already legal?

but anyway, amanita doesn’t need any defense or help; it can do just fine. It’s already way over-supported;

we’ve got everybody except for Thomas Hatsis pushing and pushing and supporting and emphasizing Amanita at every possible opportunity, so 🍄 does not need my help, and it is a noxious weed that is actually shutting out psilocybin.

In practice, 🍄 is functioning to displace and shut out Psilocybin, which is the good stuff that people actually want.

Nobody wants 🍄 for the clinics.

Amanita is already legal; if you want it, then go ahead and order it by the truckload. 🍄 doesn’t need any help.

Functionally now, the way things stand, Amanita is the problem, not the solution.

🍄 is serving as a substitute, a decoy, a low-value weed, that no one wants to ingest, to shut out the good stuff.

On the one hand, we have Shanon & Cybermonk (the Egodeath theory; analogical psychedelic eternalism)

and on the other hand, we have all the other entheogen scholars, all agreeing with each other about “the Mushroom”

I thought of that listening to 2/3 through episode Egodeath Mystery show 140B where I formulated the principle of artist responsibility against 1952 most influential art historian

Link might still work, at idea development page 13. Egodeath Mystery Show

damn this voice dictation awkward touch screen in her face interface

Erwin Panofsky

who solves the problem of artists meaning mushroom, by simply deleting the artists, and deleting consciousness, and deleting meaning –

presto, we have gotten rid of everything except the distorted Pine tree physical objects, in order to get rid of the mushroom physical objects, and any pesky humans with intention and responsibility and intent and meaning and reference

Art does not mean mushrooms, because art does not mean anything at all

we have managed to solve the pilzbaum problem by getting rid of the mushrooms and getting rid of the humans and getting rid of intention and consciousness and everything so that the only thing remaining is rocks and trees and definitely no mushrooms and certainly no intention of mushrooms, because we’ve gotten rid of intention, consciousness, and artistic responsibility

– brought to you by the most influential art historian of the mid 20th century, heyday of denying the existence of consciousness

Who other than me and Benny Shanon, is based in experiencing, based in phenomenology?

never was I ever based in physical mushroom object materialism, which like Jan Irvin gives lipservice

these guys make sure to mention the word experience , and then they go right back to their physical concretization in pursuit of the mushroom 🍄 object:

childish, concrete thinking, physical; materialist

in the key years 1986 1987 I made sure to never focus on the agent that brings loosening of cognitive binding, and that is one reason why I never heard of allegro I never read any of these guys in the field of entheogen scholarship

and so my core theory never had the taint of concrete physical limitation to that childish realm, but was always based in experiencing, 1 hundred percent, that’s where I come from, unlike others entheogen scholars

I dug in the other day to test again does Carl rock book called consciousness entheogen’s myth and human consciousness does it in fact contain the word consciousness and here’s what I found that it contains a bunch of gibberish academic nonsense words that don’t appear in the dictionary, used in weird ways

words like debranch, possibilism, eternalism; wtf , speak English!!

So it’s anybody’s guess who throws around obscure terminology like that

is this guy talking about consciousness??

it’s not clear at all what the hell he’s talking about

but I guess most relevant is the question is he talking about block universe world lines Branching nonbranching experiencing phenomenology?

or on the other hand is his Theory of Visionary Plants limited and restricted to the physical concrete materialist realm, and so based in that realm that this scolor only gives mere lip service to the word experience , once in a while, or put the word consciousness in the title, but just provide a bunch of gibberish instead, not really talk about the experiencing

There seems to be a convention in this field of entheogen scholarship, of a focus and a limitation to the concrete physical realm of objects materialistic

ironically since we’re talking about the agents which give the imagination flight and give rise to a different motive mode of experiencing which is very much not physical

but ironically we talk about it’s sort of like exoteric Esotericism – we have ordinary state based studies in altered state plants that focus on the physical plants, per materialistic science – where in the hell is cognitive science and phenomenology in all of this asc scholarship?