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Egodeath Mystery Show episode 218 – Divine Helios Mithras (August 27, 2022)

Download for one week starting Aug 27, 2022: https://we.tl/t-GNgBXvCH93

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elektron kithara

Episode 218 ends with half hour cosmic guitar live-in-studio performance by Illumination Valve.

Mithraism is a non-avoidance 3-level model of multi-state mental development through eternalism and cybernetics. Mithraism is reverent toward eternalism/ heimarmene/ Helios, a working ladder to heaven, non-dualistic.

Companion postings:

Here is the way to word phase 3 to avoid egoic avoidance and latching onto “possibilism” as if freewill-premised: emphasize eternalism not possibilism in phase 3.

naive possibilism-thinking
basic eternalism-thinking
advanced eternalism-thinking including qualified possibilism-thinking

Eadwine’s non-branching initiation image, row 2 right

Eadwine’s non-branching initiation image, row 2 right: sage with funnel hat floating with neither foot on ground = Phase 3 = advanced eternalism-thinking including qualified possibilism-thinking.

TAKE YOUR CAVE MEDITATION, NON-DRUG ENTHEOGENS, AND AT-WILL IMAGINATION EXERCISES DOWN OFF THE ENTHEOGEN PEDESTAL AND HURL THEM INTO THE HANEGRAAFF REJECTION/AVOIDANCE WASTEBASKET -> 🗑

TAKE HEIMARMENE/ FATEDNESS/ ETERNALISM OUT FROM YOUR HANEGRAAFF REJECTION/AVOIDANCE WASTEBASKET AND PUT THEM UP ON THE ENTHEOGEN PEDESTAL 🏆

Sacrifice to Helios to Honor Mithras

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Episode 218 ends with half hour cosmic guitar live-in-studio performance by Illumination Valve.

Miking

ribbon mic & Omni end-address mic, stands kept in place but goosenecks re-aimed

ribbon mic & Omni end-address mic.

Left: MXL R40 ribbon mic, Eq: -9 0 -2 dB

Right: Electro-Voice 635A, Eq: 0 0 -10.

80Hz bass cut.

loft sessions, by Illumination Valve, stereo miked, Marshall Plexi

6-8′ to 2 cabs

Guitar speaker cabs:
L: Eminence 2×12 w/ Greenback & V30
R: Blues Jr. w/ Eminence Fender Special Design

Errata: lube squeaky switch

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 217 – Rebirth from Fate into Egoic Freewill (August 23-26, 2022)

Download for one week starting Aug 27, 2022: https://we.tl/t-5SqopVcrgu

758 MB – Very large content; 10 hours. 7 mp3’s * 1.5 hours each = 7 + 3.5 = 10 hours of content. Use Preview at wetransfer.com to avoid downloading 800 MB, not sure if entire 1.5 hours of each mp3 will play in Preview, or only the first portion eg 30 min.

All is solid idea devm’t. Climax breakthrough is in part 217e ~46:30, at “Rebirth“. Textual equivalent: read the present page and recent companion postings that were written in alternation with creating voice recordings. ALSO READ COMMENT THREADS below postings.

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210 kbps stereo

a few tracks have a few minutes of guitar at end.

Recorded August 23-26, 2022.

Companion postings: Idea Dev page 14 below and:
Entheogenic Rebirth Reveals Heimarmene Is the Source of Control-Thoughts
Entheogens Cause Rebirth into Heimarmene in the Ogdoad
ALSO READ COMMENT THREADS below postings.

Content

What cosmic level does Wouter Hanegraaff place the fixed stars at in his book Hermetic Spirituality: 7 or 8?

He certainly places the highest level of heimarmene at level 7, not 8.

Most noteworthy, Rebirth is fixed at top of level 7 – his distortions are a result of his feeling he must place fixed stars (because they are heimarmene) below (ie before) Rebirth.

Hermetic writings give him this misimpression, because they are themed on “I hate fate”, even though ego death and rebirth is into (not out of) Fate/ heimarmene / block-universe determinism / eternalism; what’s revealed that causes rebirth is that you don’t control the source of your control-thoughts. Heimarmene is revealed; freewill branching control is an illusion.

“Ep217a Rebirth from Fate into Egoic Freewill.mp3”

1:15:04

  • 0:00 content
  • 1:11:39 guitar (4 minutes, 3 trks)
    • short trk 1 is good,
    • 2nd good except life-bkgnd room noise
    • 3rd not dialed in wah.
  • 1:15:04 end
Errata
  • 39:00 I get obviously mixed up saying Hanegraaff wrote the book Hellenistic Religions and knows David Ulansey. Luther H. Martin wrote Hellenistic Religions and knows David Ulansey.

“Ep217b Rebirth from Fate into Egoic Freewill.mp3”

“Ep217c Rebirth from Fate into Egoic Freewill.mp3”

1:23:20

“Ep217d Rebirth from Fate into Egoic Freewill.mp3”

1:36:40

“Ep217e Rebirth from Fate into Egoic Freewill.mp3”

1:16:43

  • ~46:30 (timest not trusty) theory devmt CLIMAX BREAKTHROUGH at “REBIRTH”. Peak of the episode. gold clip.

“Ep217f Rebirth from Fate into Egoic Freewill.mp3”

1:52:47

  • 5:00 great discussion of standing on left leg harder gives loss of control power, right greater. gold clip.

“Ep217g Rebirth from Fate into Egoic Freewill.mp3”

Conclusion: Hanegraaff Lowered the Stars to Force Them Below Rebirth

Motivation: Hanegraaff Lowered the Fixed Stars into Cosmos Level 7 to Force Them (and Heimarmene) to Be Below (i.e. Before) Rebirth, Which Is Fixed at Top of Level 7 (Saturn) – the Rebirth Destination Outcome Is Actually No-Free-Will, not Egoic Freedom (Against Hermetic Poetic-License Marketing Spin)

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Technically, we didn’t exactly lie; we did warn you that after enlightenment/ exorcism/ purification, although your “higher spirit-soul” becomes radically liberated from the bonds and constraints of cosmic heimarmene, the “lower soul-body” remains forever subject to Fate – but that body* is just the dregs, pollution, infection, contamination, residue; fit only for Hanegraaff’s Rejected wastebasket. So, by redefining “you”, you are liberated from Fate!

The Hermetic writers 🤥

*your control-thoughts

Egodeath Mystery Show: Who stole the fixed stars and hid them in Saturn, and why?

The key to solving this cosmic whodunit mystery yesterday – who stole the fixed stars and hid them in Saturn, and why? – was to focus on the relationship between the placement/ height/ sequence of rebirth relative to heimarmene.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Ptolemy_Sky.jpg

Writing below on Aug 21 I briefly touched on this key point. But I didn’t experience that as a breakthrough.

When talking it through, about shrinking the sphere of heimarmene and wondering how a mere shift in proportion could make a substantive difference as translated to clearly expressed directly expressed multi-state cognitive Science-based model of mental transformation/development, comparing the analogy-system against the clear-thinking Science model, I saw it:

WHEN I SHRINK OR EXPAND THE HEIMARMENE-SPHERE RELATIVE TO THE 10 COSMOS LEVELS, REBIRTH STAYS AT A FIXED HEIGHT, WHILE HEIMARMENE GETS MOVED TO BELOW (BEFORE) OR ABOVE (AFTER) HEIMARMENE.

My posting: Ptolemaic Astral Ascent Mysticism
ALSO READ COMMENT THREADS below postings.

If fixed stars (eternalism) = level 7 and rebirth = top of level 7:
We are ego-deathed & reborn from eternalism into possibilism.

If fixed stars (eternalism) = level 8 and rebirth = top of level 7:
We are ego-deathed & reborn from possibilism into eternalism.

The breakthrough is caught on tape, when I talked-through as follows:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammarion_engraving

“It seems unimportant if I am merely correcting his two errors by adding +1 to both of them: so what if he tries to make the sphere of heimarmene relatively smaller in the cosmos? Why am I making a big deal out of arbitrary poetic analogy?”

Then I realized there’s something deeper at stake than just the relatively superficial “he should conform to sensible geocentric Science, and he should conform to the mystic standard placement convention of heimarmene at level #8”.

The profound substantive key difference that’s accomplished by this mere adding of 1 to the fixed stars (7+1 = 8) and to the lowest level at which is heimarmene (8+1 = 9), when you re-elevate the fixed stars as heimarmene back into level 8, now, heimarmene ends up shifting to become now after/above rebirth, which doesn’t shift, because we are ONLY moving the fixed stars up, NOT also moving rebirth up!

I nailed this on Aug 21, 5 days ago, but didn’t stay focused on Rebirth. The missing focus was on where is rebirth in the levels? It is fixed at top of level 7, by the texts, and there is only one rebirth.

In idea-development notes in section “Egodeath Mystery Show episode 215 – Surface and Essence (Aug. 21, 2022)”, I wrote below:

“By him messing with the placement of the fixed stars relative to the rebirth [/revelation] experience, he is unknowingly messing around with the model of what the mind’s transformative experience is in the altered state. What is revealed most of all, above all [ie what is after and above ego death and rebirth], is timeless fate, block-universe no free will; non-branching possibilities.”

https://www.alamy.com/occultists-portrait-of-ptolemy-with-the-personification-of-the-starry-world-urania-after-an-early16th-century-woodcut-image179625809.html

Hanegraaff thinks we are reborn from eternalism into possibilism; Fate into freedom; that the no-free-will delusion is exorcised; actually it’s the reverse.

We are reborn from possibilism-premised thinking into the revealed eternalism reality; from freedom into fate; the freewill delusion (false premise of autonomous control) is exorcised. You don’t control the source of your control-thoughts.

I develop this solution in voice recordings around Aug 25 2022 that are summarized in postings:

https://www.google.com/search?q=psychedelic+zodiac&tbm=isch
Psychedelic Zodiac
Rolling Stones: Their Satanic Majesty’s Request
ladder rung 8 = mushroom cap hem to climb above the fixed stars into hypercosmic light empyrean

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Ulansey articles:

Mithras and the Hypercosmic Sun
here

The Eighth Gate: The Mithraic Lion-Headed Figure and the Platonic World-Soul 
here

Art Credit: Cybermonk around 2013-2014. 4″ paper.
Photo credit: Julie M. Brown. Used with permission. Image processing by Cybermonk.
Photo credit: Julie M. Brown. Used by permission. Interpretation breakthrough August 26, 2022, confirmation August 27, 2022, by Cybermonk: Right foot down, weight on right leg, right foot touching right foot on ground. Right arm non-branching, left arm branching.

Interpretation breakthrough August 26, 2022, confirmation August 27, 2022, by Cybermonk:

  • Right foot down.
  • Weight on right leg.
  • Right foot touching right foot on ground.
  • Right arm non-branching, left arm branching.

Egodeath Mystery Show prep toward episode 217 – Masterfully Contrarian or Merely Ignorant (August 24, 2022) – Creating Malformed Cosmos Out of Ignorance

These recordings are folded into 217 above, Aug 26.

Both Erik Davis and Wouter Hanegraaff create an accidentally innovative nonstandard malformed cosmos not out of innovative heroic contrarianism, but out of mere ignorance of the David Ulansey standard spiritual Ptolemaic astral ascent mysticism cosmology model.

My jaw-dropping incredulity switched to shaking my head and facepalm. I made a category error. Hanegraaff the typical academic was not speaking out of a position of a transcendent level of knowledge, but rather, out of sheer oblivious ignorance, constructing a wildly implausible and preposterous cosmos model without knowing the standard Eudoxus/ Hipparchus/ Ptolemaic model (the fixed stars define level 8) nor the mytheme tradition of “the 8th = heimarmene”.

Hanegraaff hasn’t read Ulansey, or else he couldn’t build his sky-castle malformed deviant nonstandard cosmos.

He doesn’t know the standard Ulansey cosmology.

Luther Martin knows Ulansey and so writes things that support the Egodeath theory. Hanegraaff doesn’t know Ulansey and so writes things the obliviously fly in the face of the Egodeath theory.

His conjectured spirituality is ignorant pop-level fabricated egoic imaginings.

The ordinary-state mind speculating about the intense mystic altered state: “surely cave meditation = psilocybin? i hear there are visions in hyperventilation and bead-prayer.” -> conclusion: you have NO FKKING IDEA WHAT THE F YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT – not “Wow, you are bold and masterfully assertive, I better gear up to debate you at a master level”.

The Weak (Nonexistent) Basis for Hanegraaff Claiming that the Hermetic Cosmos Consists of the Seven Planets (No Fixed Stars) – CH 1 (Poimandres) 25

I looked up Hanegraaff’s citation of evidence that the cosmos model of Hermetic texts consists of the 7 planets (but no mention of the fixed stars or that they are in level 8): WEAK! As weak as possible. How does this passage answer the two questions:

Are the fixed stars cosmic level 7 or 8? The passage is far from speaking in these terms.

  • There is no basis here to assert per Hanegraaff that the Hermetic cosmos consists of the 7 planets but not the fixed stars.
  • There is no basis here to assert per Hanegraaff that the fixed stars are level 7 rather than 8 where all the astronomers and mystic antiquity all puts them.

Luther H. Martin has close colleague David Ulansey (Martin is evidently in some sense an expert on Mithraism per Ulansey, including Ulansey’s cosmology).

Is cosmic level 8 Heimarmene, or above Heimarmene? The passage is far from speaking in these terms.

  • There is no basis here to assert per Hanegraaff that level 8 is above heimarmene.

He claims that CH I 25 says:

“the soul ascends through the seven plantary spheres that together constitute the cosmos, as delineated in CH I 25: the Moon, Mercury, Venus, the Sun, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Much more difficult to understand are the three highest levels “above the cosmic framework”: the Eighth, …” (Hermetic Spirituality, p. 277-278)

But it says nothing remotely like that. So far, it appears Hanegraaff is heavily reading his malformed starless cosmos into the text.

Too much non-drug entheogens gave him a starless cosmos lacking heimarmene at level 8.

CH I 25 – “Corpus Hermeticum I” text (Poimandres) 25

This passage is totally amenable to my view, which is the Ulansey view, which is the normal view:

  • The fixed stars are at cosmic level 8, not 7.
  • Cosmic level 8 is heimarmene, not above heimarmene.

Hanegraaff is 0 for 1 so far, checking his claims vs. the texts he cites.

http://gnosis.org/library/grs-mead/TGH-v2/th202.html –

24. Well hast thou taught me all, as I desired, O Mind. And now, pray, tell me further of the nature of the Way Above as now it is [for me]. 2

To this Man-Shepherd said: When thy material body is to be dissolved, first thou surrenderest the body by itself unto the work of change, and thus the form thou hadst doth vanish, and thou surrenderest thy way of life, 3 void of its energy, unto the Daimon. 4 The body’s senses next pass back into their sources, becoming separate, and resurrect as energies; and passion and desire 5 withdraw unto that nature which is void of reason.

25. And thus it is that man doth speed his way thereafter upwards through the Harmony.

p. 16

To the first zone he gives the Energy of Growth and Waning; unto the second [zone], Device of Evils [now] de-energized 1; unto the third, the Guile of the Desires de-energized; unto the fourth, his Domineering Arrogance, [also] de-energized; unto the fifth, unholy Daring and the Rashness of Audacity, de-energized; unto the sixth, Striving for Wealth by evil means, deprived of its aggrandisement; and to the seventh zone, Ensnaring Falsehood, de-energized. 2

26. And then, with all the energizings of the Harmony stript from him, clothed in his proper Power, he cometh to that Nature which belongs unto the Eighth, 3 and there with those-that-are hymneth the Father.

They who are there welcome his coming there with joy; and he, made like to them that sojourn there, doth further hear the Powers who are above the Nature that belongs unto the Eighth, singing their songs of praise to God in language of their own.

And then they, in a band, 4 go to the Father home; of their own selves they make surrender of themselves to Powers, and [thus] becoming Powers they are in God. This the good end for

p. 17

those who have gained Gnosis—to be made one with God.

Why shouldst thou then delay? Must it not be, since thou hast all received, that thou shouldst to the worthy point the way, in order that through thee the race of mortal kind may by [thy] God be saved?

27. This when He’d said, Man-Shepherd mingled with the Powers. 1

But I, with thanks and blessings unto the Father of the universal [Powers], was freed, full of the power He had poured into me, and full of what He’d taught me of the nature of the All and of the loftiest Vision.

The Confusing Whiplash Inversion of Valuation of Eternalism When Moving from Early Antiquity’s 2-Level Model to Late Antiquity’s 3-Level Model

Luther Martin writes about this movement from positive valuation of “order” to despising “heimarmene prison”, from early to late antiquity. 2018 collection of articles, Studies in Hellenistic Religion.

https://www.amazon.com/Studies-Hellenistic-Religions-Luther-Martin/dp/1498283101 –

Aug 23 voice recording: for Egodeath Mystery Show – early antiquity sought to move from naive possibilism-thinking to basic eternalism-thinking (“possibilism-thinking = bad”).

late antiquity sought to move from eternalism-thinking to qualified possibilism-thinking (“eternalism-thinking = bad”). IMagin Imagine growing up being taught 24×7 “block-universe determinism, heimarmene, fatedness, eternalism, no-free-will, non-control, worship the serpent frozen in rock, have you done your 18 hours of studying the Egodeath theory worship today? no wonder ppl invented a new religion in various styles , of hating and despising and irreverent and per April D Deconick’S demonizing troublermakers radicals with teeth upending the status quo.

She emphasizes that Gnostics were not soft & compliant/toothless/ harmless; they were radicals inverting values; shock the eternalism-thinking status quo of the day! of late ant’y.

eternalism = demonic infection contamination impurity pollution delusion [quoting Hane. re heimarmene] — we demand qualified possibilism-thinking instead! DOWN WITH ETERNALISM!

See Ken Wilber re: the healthy dis-identification struggle to break away from lower level of psycho-spiritual development , and how that can cause disintegration and regressive disintegration if not done in healthy manner.

DOWN WITH the Egodeath theory WE’RE SICK OF ETERNALISM, WE DEMAND EGOIC FREEDOM! SALVATION IS FROM the Egodeath theory!

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I can’t go further without input from WH and the Hermetic texts. Need to know which of the 3 views the texts assert:

Do Hermetic texts say the fixed stars are at cosmic level 7, or 8? If 7, how can they be so nonstandard? A JOKE COSMOLOGY. They’re pulling WH’s leg. Not meant as a literal cosmos model. A fictional/mythical cosmology model where they jokingly demote fixed stars to 7 and glorify 8 as “no damned heimarmene here!” in Gnostic anti-heimarmene troll way.

Hermetic texts = anti-heimarmene trolling, dissing “the glorious serpent-rock god” – MORE LIKE THE DEMIURGE!, they quip, like April D DeConick depicts the Gnostics’ attitude.

https://www.amazon.com/Gnostic-New-Age-Countercultural-Revolutionized-ebook/dp/B01I8S2GSY –

Hanegraaff got trolled by the Hermetic text authors. They are sophisticatedly irreverent like Ozzy Osbourne esotericism album. Transcending “reverence toward heimarmene”:

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👎 DOWN WITH HEIMARMENE! SMASH THE SNAKE IMPRISONED IN ROCK! 👎

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Do Hermetic texts say cosmic level 8 is heimarmene, or is above heimarmene? If above heimarmene, how can they be so nonstandard?

Do Hermetic texts place the fixed stars at cosmic level 7, or 8? I’d expect standard: 8.

Do Hermetic texts say cosmic level 8 is above heimarmene, or level 8 is heimarmene? I’d expect standard: heimarmene.

The Test from “How Much Rewrite Would Be Forced?”

Fixed stars = 7, level 8 is above heimarmene: heimarmene is below Rebirth

This placement accomplishes Hanegraaff’s objective, reflecting late antiquity’s dualistic hatred of Fate (Luther H. Martin) and regressive suppression of heimarmene/ eternalism and avoidance of these rather than reverent approaching.

How much does WH have to rewrite his book if hermetic texts say fixed stars are at cosmic level 7, & level 8 is above heimarmene? None, proving that this is his view.

Both of those views are highly deviant from the standard view (fixed stars 8, heimarmene 8).

This view is maximally irreverent toward heimarmene, a demoting view of heimarmene.

The Incoherent Hermetic/Egoic Inflation Project.

Are hermetic texts so fancifully deviant that their cosmos has no sphere of the fixed stars above Saturn?

It would be pure untrammeled freeform fanciful poetry, a fantasy journey above Fate, only loosely based on & constrained by mystery-religion initiation / revelation and the actual trajectory of mental model development in the loosecog state.

Fixed Stars = 7, level 8 = heimarmene; heimarmene is above Rebirth

No one holds this. Might as well permit fixed stars to rise to level 8; no reason to suppress them down.

This model doesn’t help for the demonic goal of having Rebirth above heimarmene.

There’s no incentive to hold this anti-scientific model.

This model immediately becomes rejected in favor of raising the fixed stars to level 8, since nothing is gained by artificially forcing them down to level 7 if you already allow level 8 to be heimarmene standing above Rebirth.

Fixed Stars = 8, level 8 is above heimarmene: Inflated star worship; fixed stars are not heimarmene; heimarmene is below Rebirth

How much does WH have to rewrite his book if hermetic texts say fixed stars at 8, & 8 is above heimarmene?

Rewrite at “zodiac = heimarmene” and at “stars”, “above the stars = above heimarmene” would have to clarify “these stars not those”.

“Of course by ‘stars’ I mean not stars, but planets.” Inflated star worship. Insanity, deliberate misleading wording. He’d have to stop the slop, and differentiate planets vs. stars consistently.

Fixed stars = 8, level 8 = heimarmene: Reverent toward heimarmene; heimarmene is above Rebirth

This is the Scientific model per Eudoxus/Ptolemy, and the standard mystic cosmos model. Everyone holds this, though cosmos-hating (Fate-haters) Hermetic/Gnostic writers adopt a mytheme style-branding of {hatred of fate}.

How much does Hanegraaff have to rewrite his book if hermetic texts say fixed stars at 8, & 8 is heimarmene?

Lots, proving that his view is highly deviant from this standard view.

This standard view is reverent toward Heimarmene, honoring it and in the 9th level rising above it.

This view honors the central, dominant place of heimarmene; the revelation that you aren’t the source of your control-thoughts.

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review: Fixed stars at 7 or 8? with Saturn/7 makes little sense, and with his 8 makes them non-heimarmene.

Suspect his error is: 8 = heimarmene (per Ulansey), not above heimarmene.

Entheogens Reveal Heimarmene in the Ogdoad.

The 4 Options for Placement of Fixed Stars and Heimarmene [resulting elevation vs. Rebirth =?]

regardless of these questions, WH has an unhealthy irreverence against heimarmene which means our source of control-thoughts. if you equate heimarmene = revelation of no-free-will / non-branching / block-universe determinism / Eternalism.

if WH persists in placing Ogdoad above heimarmene, he has two options for placing and valuing fixed stars:

  • the 7 option: put the fixed stars in 7 with planets and disrespect them as “demonic infection contamination”. he does this, by saying “above the stars” even if he half redefines ‘stars’ as definitely planets + ambig’ly maybe fixed stars.
  • the 8 option: put the fixed stars in 8 and say fixed stars are above heimarmene – that would require revising his wording:
    • where he now asserts “zodiac = heimarmene”, either say zodiac not = heimarmene or say zodiac isn’t fixed stars.
    • his current single-level phrase “constellations of planets and stars” would become a cross-level phrase “constellations of planets[bad; heimarmene ] and stars [good; above heimarmene]”.

Hanegraaff says “Can i please have the zodiac without the fixed stars? Or can i pls have the fixed stars without putting them in the Ogdoad? Or can the fixed stars pls be non-Heimarmene?”

He’s already defined “stars” to mean heimarmene and defined “stars” to mean 7 planets but not the fixed stars. He redefines ‘stars’ to form a cosmos that has no stars but only has the 7 planets.

q1: Are the fixed stars at cosmic level 7, or 8? WH tries to avoid discussing this or asserting a position on it. He asserts “the planetary stars” are at levels 1-7 “per Ptolemaic”.

q2: Is the highest heimarmene level 7, or 8? WH directly asserts 7. Everyone else asserts 8.

Combination 00: Fixed stars = 7, heimarmene = 7

Per Hanegraaff. Per Hermetic texts according to Hanegraaff.

WH doesn’t directly say FIXED stars are at 7; he says “the stars” (redefined as 7 planets) are at 7.

He says zodiac = heimarmene, and says level 8 is above heimarmene, therefore implies zodiac is at level 7.

Combination 01: Fixed stars = 7, heimarmene = 8

no one does this combination. anyone who says heimarmene is at 8 says fixed stars are there at 8.

Combination 10: Fixed stars = 8, heimarmene = 7

Eudoxus, Hipparchus, Ptolemy, Ulansey, Hoffman, Davis say fixed stars = 8.

To hold this combination, Hanegraaff would assert that the fixed stars are above heimarmene. thta would imply zodiac is above heimarmene, contradicting what he asserts. p 295 “the seventh sphere of Saturn … is still within the cosmic domain, but they are ready to move beyond it.” he says cosmic= heimarmene = 7, hypercosmic = above heimarmene = 8. He’s committed to that. He has not stated a commitment about what level the fixed stars are at (even if he functionally implies 7 and writes “stars = cosmos = 7”, “beyond the stars = beyond the cosmos = beyond heimarmene” – his “out” is that he redefined ‘stars’ to mean ‘planets’ but not nece fixed stars.),

He doesn’t say what level fixed stars are at: 7 or 8.

He doesn’t say whether fixed stars are heimarmene (tho he says zodiac is heimarmene).

Therefore his book permits fixed stars (putting aside his redefined word ‘stars’ meaning 7 planets and not nece meaning fixed stars but only sounding like he means fixed stars) at level either 7 or 8, and his book permits fixed stars to either be heimarmene (if 7) or above heimarmene (if 8).

he FIRMLY COMMITS to “8 is above heim”

he ASSERTS AGNOSTICISSM re: fixed stars at 7 vs 8

he REMAINS SILENT er: re: fixed stars = heim? tho he asserts zodiac = heimarmene.

To let him claim to place stars fx fixed stars at 8, you must cut him slack for defining ‘stars’ to mean 7 planets only. and for saying zodiac = heimarmene.

review title: Weird Cosmos Same as Ptolemy Except No Fixed Stars (detail)

Combination 11: Fixed stars = 8, heimarmene = 8

Eudoxus, Hipparchus, Ptolemy, Ulansey, Hoffman, Davis say fixed stars = 8.

Ulansey, Hoffman, Davis say heimarmene = 8.

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Must separate out the two distinct questions: what level = fixed stars? do fixed stars = heimarmene, or aka, does level 8 = heimarmene?

What Level Contains the Fixed Stars?

Option 1: The fixed stars are in level 7 with Saturn. His book is coherent/consistent if we assume he asserts this placement. Asserted by text CH # and by Hanegraaff (mostly implicitly, yet consistently) in this book:

  • his heading “Beyond the Stars” – either his phrase “the stars” must exclude the fixed stars, in which case he means to imply that the fixed stars are above heimarmene, or else, he means to imply that “the stars” must include the fixed stars.
  • He states “zodiac = heimarmene”. Does he say generally then that fixed stars = heimarmene?
  • he equates planets and stars, including in phrases which differentiate planets vs. fixed stars: “heimarmene = the 7-level astral ‘planetary cosmos’ with its ‘planetary constellations’ of planets and stars”
  • “the Ogdoad above the heimarmene”
  • footnote 114 in the Sounding Cosmos section: “It is an open question whether to place the fixed stars at Saturn level 7 [which he goes ahead and does], or in the Ogdoad [which he doesn’t do, because he’d have to say the fixed stars are above heimarmene, since he asserts that level 8 is above heimarmene]”).

Option 2: The fixed stars are in level 8 above Saturn. Asserted by Eudoxus, Hipparchus, Ptolemy, Ulansey, Hoffman, & Davis.

ABC take 1:

A: The fixed stars are at level 7 (per Hanegraaff implicitly), and level 8 is above heimarmene (per Hanegraaff). To what extent do the Hermetic text authors hold this model?

B: The fixed stars are at level 8 (per Eudoxus, Hipparchus, & Ptolemy), and level 8 is heimarmene (per Ulansey, Hoffman, and Davis).

C: The fixed stars are at level 8 (per Eudoxus, Hipparchus, & Ptolemy), and level 8 is above heimarmene (per Hanegraaff).

This is THE approach! I have found the approach: define two coherent models that Hanegraaff MUST choose between, to become coherent, to specify his cosmology and his terminology usage in a consistent way. WHICH IS IT, HANEGRAAFF? MAKE UP YOUR MIND AND ADMIT THAT TO PRESENT A COHERENT COSMOLOGY, YOU HAVE TO EITHER:

In shortest possible expression:

The Hermetic text authors and Hanegraaff have two rationally coherent, self-consistent options: Either:

Option A without reference to heimarmene interpretation: Deviant cosmology: Non-Ptolemaic placement of the fixed stars into level 7: Demote the fixed stars into planetary level 7 and define level 8 as being above heimarmene. Put the fixed stars in cosmos level 7, and equate level 8 with level 9, both being above heimarmene. This book does that. Yet he claims his model is “the 7 planetary cosmos per standard Ptolemaic system”, which is false. His cosmos model is very different than that of Eudoxus/ Hipparchus/ Ptolemy/ Ulansey, given that he places the fixed stars in levels 1-7.

Ptolemy places fixed stars in level 8 (Ogdoad), not in levels 1-7 as Hanegraaff does, via quotes:

  • his heading “Beyond the Stars”
  • “zodiac = heimarmene”
  • “heimarmene = the 7-level astral planetary cosmos”
  • “the Ogdoad above the heimarmene”
  • footnote 114 in the Sounding Cosmos section: “It is an open question whether to place the fixed stars at Saturn level 7 [which he goes ahead and does], or in the Ogdoad [which he doesn’t do, because he’d have to say the fixed stars are above heimarmene, since he asserts that level 8 is above heimarmene]”).

Heimarmene interpretation A1: Given that fixed stars = level 7, assert fixed stars = heimarmene.

Heimarmene interpretation A2: Given that fixed stars = level 8, assert fixed stars != heimarmene.

Option B without reference to heimarmene interpretation: Standard Ptolemaic cosmology: Placement of fixed stars in level 8: Put the fixed stars in cosmos level 8 (Ogdoad) like Eudoxus/ Hipparchus/ Ptolemy/ Ulansey/ Hoffman/ Davis/ , equate fixed stars with Heimarmene (like everyone else does), and detach level 8 from level 9 and contrast them, … say level 8 = heimarmene, while level 9 is above heimarmene, equate Logos with heimarmene, place Demiurge and helios in level 8 with heimarmene.

Heimarmene interpretation B1:

Heimarmene interpretation B2:

A: The term ‘fixed stars’ includes the zodiac and other constellations of fixed stars. The term ‘fixed stars (including zodiac and other constellations of fixed stars) are level 8. Fixed stars are not heimarmene. Cosmos means levels 1-7. Fixed stars are outside the cosmos. Cosmos, defined as level 1-7, is heimarmene. Astral means 2 senses: 1-7, & 8. Zodiac is at level 8, yet = heimarmene (__. ‘Constellation’ means __. The constellations are at level 8. Zodiac is level 8 (yet he asserts zodiac = heimarmene).

B: Put fixed stars at level 7 and assert that fixed stars are heimarmene.

C: Standard cosmology says: fixed stars are at level 8. Fixed stars are heimarmene.

Maybe Hermetics are freeform incoherent riffing on mythemes not constrained by petty consistency – a formula that spells, for beginners, control instability, when taken seriously.

Hanegraaff Consistent Cosmos Model A: the Fixed Stars are Above the Heimarmene Cosmos and Not Included in “the stars”, which phrase means the 7 planets only

‘stars’ means 7 planets only. “beyond the stars” means above level 7. Heimarmene is level 1-7 but not level 8. The fixed stars are in level 8, the fixed stars are not heimarmene, level 8 is above heimarmene.

But despite that, the Zodiac is heimarmene (this is an inconsistency of Model A).

Hanegraaff Consistent Cosmos Model B: The Fixed Stars (astral, zodiac, constellations) are included in planet levels 1-7, and Ogdoad (level 8) is equivalent to Ennead (level 9): Both are above heimarmene

Luther H. Martin Is Expert at Ulansey’s Cosmology

Find “ulansey” in this Hanegraaff book 2015. Luther H. Martin knows all about Ulansey and revised his 1987 book Hellenistic Religions‘ chapter per Ulansey.

https://www.amazon.com/Mind-Mithraists-Historical-Scientific-Explanation/dp/1472584198 –

Hanegraaff solves the problem by staying almost silent specifically about what level, but what little he says about the level number at which “stars” and “zodiac” are proof that “stars” in his new book are functionally implicitly placed in level 7 with the planetary wandering stars.

He says zodiac = heimarmene.

He does his best to write nothing about the fixed stars and what level they are at. He definitely says “the stars are heimarmene” and “the cosmos has 7 astral/planet levels, and above that is the ogdoad above heimarmene”.

The Hermetic/Hanegraaff cosmology is very different than Ptolemaic yet he has the audacity to write “the 7 planetary spheres per the standard Ptolemaic cosmology” but he defines these 7 planetary spheres as including the stars

eg his heading “Beyond the Stars” specifically means beyond the 7 planetary star levels and to go above the 7-level cosmos is to go above the stars and be above heimarmene.

Is his excuse “I have redefined ‘stars’ to exclude fixed stars, so my cosmology model is same as the standard Ptolemaic model”? if he wants to claim… given that he claims that his 7-level “planetary cosmos” is “per the standard Ptolemaic model” (page 183), he needs to get the actual FIXED stars the hell out of his WANDERING planet star level 7, or else retract and qualify and narrow his claim that his 7-level “planetary cosmos” is “per the standard Ptolemaic system”.

For him to actually be Ptolemaic, he needs to move the real stars up …. either he’s asserting a 7-level system… he set of assertions is inconsistent but it necessarily amounts to a 7-level system that includes the fixed stars, or, assert that the fixed stars are above the heimarmene-ruled 7-planet “cosmos”.

He certainly says “above the stars” means “above heimarmene” and “above the cosmos” – but he defines “stars” to mean only the 7 planetary stars. His options for coherence are:

Hanegraaff Position Clarification 1

Hanegraaff Position Clarification 2

He redefines “stars” to mean exclusively the 7 planets, and assert with everyone else that the fixed stars are in level 8 and the fixed stars are above heimarmene.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 216 – Who Removed the Stars? (August 23, 2022)

Recorded Aug 22, 2022.

Download for 1 week starting Aug 23 2022: https://we.tl/t-XpWO0lJUTY

4 hours total

Ep216a Who Removed the Stars?

1:51:27

Searching for “eighth” in Hanegraaff’s 2022 book Hermetic Spirituality.

The 3 “zodiac” passages.

Errata

~1:03:00 I say 8 instead of 9, “the ogdoad is moved up to the level that’s usually considered above heimarmene, 8[sic]”, should be 9.

Ep216b Who Removed the Stars?

1:50:54

Options:

Hermetic authors lie, quarter-truth, poetic license claims to “transcend heimarmene”, that heimarmene is impurity pollution infection demonic contamination suited for the Rejected wastebasket.

Heremetic cosmology leave out the stars.

Hanegraaff demonizes heimarmene.

Hanegraaff misrepresents Hermetic writings.

Hermetic writers use highly nonstandard and confusing cosmology that puts stars at level 7.

Hanegraaff uses highly nonstandard and confusing cosmology that puts stars at level 7.

Ep216G🎸 Who Removed the Stars?

13:48

Guitar. Auto-vibe, little performance. To study or work to or read malformed esotericism books to. Same setup as before. Power tube recording 2775.

Miking & Music

same as before.

ribbon mic & Omni end-address mic.

Left: MXL R40 ribbon mic, Eq: -9 0 -2 dB

Right: Electro-Voice 635A, Eq: 0 0 -10.

80Hz bass cut.

loft sessions, by Illumination Valve, stereo miked, Marshall Plexi

6-8′ to 2 cabs

Guitar speaker cabs:
L: Eminence 2×12 w/ greenback & v30
R: Blues Jr. w/ Eminence Fender special design spk

Aug 21 book review draft of Hermetic Spirituality by Hanegraaff

at top of:

Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity (Hanegraaff)

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 215 – Surface and Essence (Aug. 21, 2022)

Download for 1 week starting August 21, 2022: https://we.tl/t-VNpApLPwQ6

2:15:16

Block-Universe Eternalism with Dependent Control Is the Revelation

Shock the Hanegraaff: What He Gets Backwards and the Trainwreck Misrepresentation and Confusing Writing that Results

Content

update: i recorded a couple hours reading the below, on midday aug 21, then i wrote a draft book review that’s structurally a realistic draft but just have to cut wordcount. So the companion page is https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/07/14/hermetic-spirituality-and-the-historical-imagination-altered-states-of-knowledge-in-late-antiquity-hanegraaff/

9 minutes of guitar at end.

  • 0:00 – a.m. content
  • 0:35 – a.m. content
  • 1:09 – trk 3900:
    • 1:09 – guitar (33 sec)
    • 1:43 – intro
    • 2:17 – guitar (35 sec)
    • 2:52-1:44:08 – content
      wrote draft review of the book here
  • 1:44:08 – pm content, after the book review draft written
  • 1:46:52 – content
  • 2:06:25 – guitar (3:35)
    • 2:10:05 – more guitar (5:10) (8:45 total)
  • 2:15:16 – End.

guitar = wah loft session 17, same miking

Miking

same, Marshall Plexi, wah, R40+635A

to speak about:

Initiator exorcises freewill (resistance to Fate), not no-free-will (fate).

No-free-will is the central main altered-state Revelation, per Erik Davis re: Stairway to Heaven, not an illusion or mere “negative trait” to be engineered-away as Hanegraaff tries to do.

He misrepresents the meaning and respect; he disrespects and is the epitome of irreverence – if you disrespect Heimarmene, you disrespect the Source – else you are committing the dualistic main error of dualism and anti-cosmism.

To be pro-cosmos doesn’t mean body matter; it means affirming and embracing and honoring and respecting Heimarmene.

compare late-modern Psychedelic discovery of no-free-will (Erik Davis) vs. early antiquity vs. late antiquity.

The original primary sequence – … and compare the mind’s natural trajectory which is what’s being described by confusing analogies and ironic dual-valuation of no-free-will.

Key quotes in Hanegraaff book: woman sacrifices to Heimarmene, which means embrace and include what’s revealed in the alt state.

key quote: d/k where put fixed stars. place in chapter.

list chapters and just keywords about each chapter to differentiate them.

Then place my criticism/correction into each chapter paragraph.

Tell user to write “7, 8, 9” next to his words to see how he throws no-free-will into his Rejected wastebasket:

He suppresses heimarmene (fixed stars) down to level 7 Saturn/ planets, and moves slot 8 (which is actually defined by stars and literally comes from the stars) up too high to above the no-free-will level and twists it into the higher-than-no-free-will level 9 Ennead.

Reality check 1 for Hanegraaff: Strict = useful = meaningful criteria for ‘entheogen’.

Entheogens reveal no-free-will per Rock lyrics, see Erik Davis re: Stairway to Heaven.

Reality check 2 for Hanegraaff: Ogdoad comes 2nd. Stars come first, were counted as “8th level”. Everyone in Egypt and late antiquity.

Egypt was the main place of astrology mysticism, common understanding was stars = heimarmene.

Stop misusing words: stars means stars, not planets – stop confusing people!

Entheogens means substances, by definition. Davis protects the word ‘psychedelic’ from Hanegraaff destroying that word too like the word ‘entheogen’.

Stop confusing people and making words meaningless by deviant confusing redefining of them.

Put the stars back into level 8, which they define. The concept of Ogdoad is subservient and derivative from the stars. Stop misusing the word ‘stars’ to mean the 7 planets – that is aggressively confusing, why is he trying to mislead and confuse his readers?

eg the infinitely confusing heading “Beyond the Stars”: he knows the reader is going to think “The sphere of the fixed stars”, not his deviant redefinition (he quotes a Hermetic text twice, but elsewhere) to mean the 7 planets.

Ultra confusing.

You don’t transcend the fate-ruled cosmos by moving from 7 to 8, except in a sense; you then in moving from 7 to 8 move to reconciliation with Fatedness and that ends the turmoil of resisting no-free-will caused by holding to the initial lie of freewill-premised thinking.

He falls headlong into poetic irony confusing, “when we were young we were slaves of Fate, but now we are freed and rescued and saved from Fate” — this claim to transcend Fate is not meant as a denial of the reality of no-free-will/Fatedness; this assertion/claim is based on the firm established principle of mid-antiquity that everything is Fate-ruled.

There is no excuse for the author introducing this intense degree of confusion about the words “cosmos”, “hypercosmic”, “entheogen”, and “stars”. It’s up to the reviewers to assist the misled readers to clear up author’s highly confusing, non-standard word-usage that runs throughout the book.

How is confusing everybody going to help the cause of comprehending the thought & meaning of the Hermetic text authors?

The reader has to mark up the book writing 7, 8, 9 everywhere to reveal the suppression of the fixed stars and the conflation of level 8 and 9, which are supposed to be opposite of each other. 8 is supposed to be no-free-will, 9 is supposed to be transcending yet affirming no-free-will, based on a revering no-free-will, reverencing Fatedness like reverencing the Source of all that exists and is real, like Fatedness is real and egoic autonomous control agency freewill-premised is the illusion.

Hanegraaff gets it backwards, a form of pre/trans fallacy: he thinks transcending eternalism means doing away with it as an illusion, but late modern psychedelics (bona fide not ersatz entheogens) reveal the reality of fatedness, not its illusory nature as Hanegraaff wants to frame it in his zeal to repress, delete, and hide Heimarmene in his Rejected wastebasket, irreverently.

Stars aren’t “associated with the Ogdoad”; stars define the 8th level, ever since 350 BC for 500 years by the time of the Hermetic texts; stars had been understood as altered-state no-free-will from Psilocybin (actual, real, bona fide, definitive Heimarmogenic substances) for 500 years in Egypt by the time of writing the Hermetic texts.

per [quote], Hermetists sacrificed to Heimarmene in honoring and respecting what’s revealed by entheogens, not throwing fatedness into the Rejected wastebasket as Hanegraaff does through a system of moves throughout the book.

Gnostics would be shocked how anti-cosmic dualism Hanegraaff is:, none of them went so far as to remove the fixed stars and get rid of the Ogdoad to prevent and deny Heimarmene/fatedness / block-universe Eternalism.

Suppression, repression, disassociation – instead, embrace, extend, and include the no-free-will that’s revealed in Stairway to Heaven: to be a rock, and not to roll, per Erik Davis page 118-199 & 122. Only after that can you understand and not fall into a pit of sheer rank rejection of no-free-will per the poetic ironic inversion of bragging about being saved from no-free-will – which is not a denial and careelss careless dismissal of no-free-will as if it’s mere “psychological negative trait” and delusion and non-existent.

Eye to Eye essay by Ken Wilber – needs to read & cite.

Reality check 3 for Hanegraaff:

He needs to go back to basics per Erik Davis presentation of Helios level of Mithraism ladder in Led Zepp IV – psychedelics lyrics = mystery religion of the late-modern era, = early antiquity assertion of no-free-will. rather than the confusing late-antiquity ironic love/hate “sacrificing to Heimarmene”.

Heimarmene ie no-free-will is what revelation is really all about.

Psilocybin reveals Heimarmene in the Ogdoad.

lack of focus in defining ‘entheogen’.

Entheogens are heimarmogens; heimarmodelic: they show Heimarmene – distinct from antiquity’s early reverence of no-free-will and later partial ironic negative transcending of Heimarmene.

Hanegraaff walks into the late confusing phase and needs a reality check with the early antiquity:

1) start with experience of freewill, no awareness of the hidden veiled concealed fact of fatedness.

2) psilocybin reveals Heimarmene/Fatedness, see negative aspects of religious mythology (king turned to rock, snake bite, wrath of dishonored gods).

3) fatedness becomes well known as foundation of culture

4) people speak poetically against Fatedness but don’t take them literally; this is ironic inversion the claim to have salvation from fate.

Salvation from Fate is actually salvation from control-seizure in the Psilocybin state, that reconciles mind with revealed fact of Fatedness.

Only in a minor sense do we transcend what religious experiencing from Psilocybin reveals: we return to tightcog and we reconcile w/ Fatedness to be able to endure enter loosecog state with stable control; cybernetic control stability.

All else is poetic inversion, the claims to “transcend fate” – quote his book asserting “the body remains slave of Fate” therefore Fate is affirmed, it is only transcended by the spirit, which means, we never deny the fact of Fatedness/ Heimarmene but we respect and reverence it.

actual psychedelics reveal entheogens reveal that you are not in control of your source and origin of your control-thoughts, but you are helplessly at the mercy of the actual source and origin of your control thoughts from outside of your domain of control.

Irrelevant turgid discussions like “the lower spirit-soul/body is, but is not, subject to fate” and other confusions are just an avoidance of this central issue, which is where we must aim the spotlight. Do you control your control-thoughts?

Psilocybin (actual entheogens)’s most profound effect is to reveal and demonstrate that the local control agent does not control its source of control-thoughts.

Discussions of freewill and determinism, omnipotence vs. moral culpability, and garbled constructions of “body / soul /spirit, in their lower and higher levels”, are an avoidance of and diversion from this actually central issue and revelation.

key quote where Hane salivates, “Clearly, as we have seen, the soul is judged, because it is abandoned by Nous” – YOU WISH; he projects naive freewill-rpremised thinking onto Hermetists who are weasely, post-Fate (not denying Fate) and he can’t keep up with their complex moves.

Embrace and include in addition to transcending, Heimarmene which = fixed stars which define the concept of the 8th.

Eadwine’s image of non-branching initiation is a well-balanced initial emphasis on revealing no-free-will then noting transcending no-free-will.

key quote: where put fixed stars? key quote: entheogens (“sensu lato and sensu stricto“). Place that into the early chapter’s summary paragraph.

He tries to implicitly put the zodiac in level 7 (planets & zodiac he says are fate) in order to protect his level 8 from the taint of Fatedness, which he disrespects and withholds reverence from, instead of sacrificing to Fatedness which we must do to end torments and reconcile and then affirm as well as in a limited spirit-only way (not soul, not body) “transcend Heimarmene”.

In the comments thread at https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/08/18/late-antiquity-transition-from-worshipping-heimarmene-to-worshipping-transcending-heimarmene/ wrmspirit wrote:

“Hanegraaff doesn’t know what to do with Heimarmene fixed stars/fate level for as as long as he doesn’t understand their magnitude.. If he knew the significance of Heimarmene fixed stars/fate he wouldn’t want to appear stupid by moving the fixed stars around. That’s something that just can’t be denied.”

I replied:

I need to compensate by putting extra-strong, very pointed emphasis on non-control, and why it is of the essence, and the real meaning the experience meaning of fatedness in the heimarmene-revealing altered state – and fixed stars is referring specifically to that.

By him messing with the placement of the fixed stars relative to the rebirth experience, he is unknowingly messing around with the model of what the mind’s transformative experience is in the altered state.

What is revealed most of all, above all, is timeless fate, block-universe no free will; non-branching possibilities.

To really focus on the central point: it is revealed that you are not in control of your control thoughts.

All of this analogy is really about that and nothing else, and we need to get that straight and then tell our analogy stories built coherently around that.

This is the meaning of the fixed stars and where they fit in our trajectory of mental transformation process development process of moving from the first world model to the second world model, which is analogically mapped to the fixed stars, and then later, we talk about “transcending” that – but only in a certain limited sense, transcending fate – which means transcending the revelation that you do not control your own source of thoughts.

That is the central point, the central altered-state revelation that is mapped to the central level: the most important, main, central level is the fixed stars.

That (representing control power stability) is the central point of reference.

So you need to be sensible in where are you place that: and that is the eighth level, as everybody held – especially in Egypt, especially at that time.

Hanegraaff has gotten lost in late antiquity’s complex poetic ironic talk about “transcending”, and he has gotten lost about visionary plants and he needs to do a reality check back in, that we are talking about what are the effects of the plants on the mental model regarding control power, and then how do we map that to analogy centered around the stars – which means of course the real stars, not his fake, confused planet “stars”.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 214 – Embrace and Transcend Eternalism (August 19, 2022)

Download for 1 week from Aug 18 2022: https://we.tl/t-Zgty1HkZGj

2:46:25

231 MB stereo

Content

2-level pro-eternalism mythemes/analogies vs. 3-level anti-eternalism mythemes/analogies.

Read Erik Davis page 117-122 Led Zeppelin IV – block universe cosmology.

Read Luther H. Martin Studies in Hellenistic Religions re: Hipparchus, Eudoxus, ch 1 section headings in the 2000 (2017) Chapter 1: Greek and Roman Religion and Philosophy.

Dividing antiquity into two periods: early antiquity is pro-eternalism 2-level model; late = anti-eternalism, 3-level model.

Erik Davis & I are late 20th C pro-eternalism revelation; not yet jaded anti-Heimarmene escapists. Hanegraaff repels and excludes and does not transcend Heimarmene but carelessly throws it in his Rejected wastebasket. He gets rid of Heimarmene, suppress/repress/disrespect/ anti-Reverence.

timestamps at start of each track:

  • 0:00 – Planets
  • 0:14 –
  • 0:19 –
  • 1:07 –
  • 12:12 –
  • 12:26 –
  • 16:52 –
  • 17:06 –
  • 25:26 –
  • 25:39 –
  • 43:16 –
  • 1:19:06 –
  • 1:19:20 –
  • 1:29:08 –
  • 2:02:22 –
  • 2:02:36 –
  • 2:21:22 –
  • 23235 – Guitar (13 minutes), live broadcast performance immediately following at end of last voice track – default name of song is “Embrace and Transcend Eternalism”
  • 2:46:25 – End.
Miking & Music

same as before.

pw tube 2772 at end 13 minutes.

loft sessions, by Illumination Valve, stereo miked, Marshall Plexi

stereo – Marshall Plexi, 2 cabs, ribbon mic & Omni end-address mic.

Left: MXL R40 ribbon mic, Eq: -9 0 -2 dB

Right: Electro-Voice 635A, Eq: 0 0 -10.

80Hz bass cut.

Guitar speaker cabs:
L: Eminence 2×12 w/ greenback & v30
R: Blues Jr. w/ Eminence Fender special design spk

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 213 – Two and a Half Level Model (August 18, 2022)

Download for 1 week from Aug 18 2022: v2: https://we.tl/t-acm7nmSsTH
Content starts at 2:13.
https://we.tl/t-y1j51cY7Ut v1 – i’m getting rid of a guitar bend in the first cpl minutes

1:33:06

Content
  • Readings of “fate” pages of Ulansey book.
  • Defining a distinct 2-level & 3-level model of Transcendent Knowledge.
  • 0:00 Intro.
  • 0:49 Guitar lead-in (2 min)
  • 2:13 by having twists and turns from worshipping eternalism to t’ding eternalism… free will b/c i say so.
    • ironic inversion not perceived by Hanegraaff: “We were slaves of Eternalism, until altered-state revelation enlightenment rescued us from Eternalism.* *long list of caveats, you’re not really free, Not Legal Tender, for make-believe only, your soul remains a slave of fate forever, fine print.
    • The Freewill Fog Project of engineering a compromise between truth and moral freedom assertion.
    • “Stoics/Calvin/Cybermonk held pure, strict Eternalism, “but nevertheless,” they insist on freewill moral culpability (by sheer willful fiat).
      • Because I Say So.
      • You Can’t Stop Me From Asserting Freewill Is The Case.
      • Nyah nyah, you can’t make me (be coherent).
  • 8:27 must assume previous scholars botched everything
  • 9:06 trk 3871 – eg look at Ulansey re: cumont’s very wrong Iran interpretation of Mithraism until th 1971 congress completely changed the theory! Hanegraff makes that big of a major revision correction –
    • Hanegraaff’s 2022 correction of bunk Theurgy scholarship/interp’n is as major as the 1971 correction of Franz Cumont’s huge misinterpretation of Mithraism, which led to Ulansey’s 1989 correction in terms of transcendent precession hypercosmic.
    • WHY DOES HANEGRAAFF SAY “HYPERCOSMIC”, AND YET FAIL TO CITE & ACCOMMODATE ULANSEY’S HYPER-COSMOLOGY?
    • SUBTRACT 1 STAR FOR ALL OF THE FIXED STARS GONE MISSING.
    • Huge advance, yes, BUT, HUGE ANTI-COSMIC HEIMARMENE DEMONIZATION BY HANEGRAAFF “king of the world-despising dualistic gnostics“.
    • The Hanegraaff Dualism re anti-Heimarmene, anti-fixed-stars world-rejection by Hanegraaff who deletes the stars and then moves the star-defined Slot 8 upwards fuzed fused with Slot 9 which is hypercosmic.
    • The Hanegraaff Operation to DO AWAY WITH COSMIC HEIMARMENE.
    • He takes too literally the poetic ironic inversion “freed from Fate”; he fails to psychologically integrate, embrace and include heimarmene.
    • HANEGRAAFF REFUSES TO SACRIFICE TO ETERNALISM! Cyb chaos instability ensues, {TORMENT by the Fate astral powers} IS CAUSED BY – “NEGATIVE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAITS” (as he characterizes “torment”) ARE CAUSED BY HANEGRAAFF’S REFUSAL TO HONOR THE FIXED STARS: ETERNALISM.
    • The Ken Wilber mantra directed to Hanegraaff: EMBRACE AND INCLUDE ETERNALISM, is how you transcend egoic delusion and stably enter the loose cog state.
    • Hanegraaff represses, suppresses, and dissociates eternalism, in “world-hating Gnostic” form – anti-cosmic Gnostics are shocked at Hane’s extreme measure of deleting the fixed stars and Level 8 entirely!
    • Hanegraaff deletes the Ogdoad!!
  • 10:11 – no hits on Heimarmene in Ulansey’s book. Read aloud all the hits on “fate” passages in his book.
  • 40:07 – companion posting yesterday: Late Antiquity Transition from Worshipping Heimarmene to Worshipping Transcending Heimarmene
  • 43:07 – whats revealed in alt state is eternalism then we monkey w/ that to FOG IT UP, eternalism is “not acceptable”. Although eternalism is the case, NEVERTHELESS, freewill is true bc I say so: the Freewill Fog Project. by fiat. The official position of the Egodeath theory is: freewill is the case, even though eternalism is the case.
  • Although Eternalism is the case, NEVERTHELESS, Possibilism is the case – because I say so, and I have engineered a bunch of Moral Philosophy bluster and learned “systematic Reformed theology” bullshiite. There, I just saved you reading a library packed with learned books.
  • 55:36 todo: Define a clear cut 2-level system like the book Led Zeppelin IV by Erik Davis p 118’s cosmology based on the basic version of the Egodeath theory.
    • You don’t control your source of control-thoughts.
    • We are “saved from [the threat posed by] eternalism”.
    • Eternalism = enlightenment and maximally satisfying theory explaining eternalism experience revelation.
  • 1:02:34 – gtr leadin 50 sec
  • 1:03:25 – i’m driven by the model itself is the value. having Transcendent Knowledge is its own value/end.
    • Coherent model of antiquity, thoelogy, how mind works in alt state. what is the action that psil does?
    • what’s it like to encounter the state and enjoy, dynamics, understand the state and access the alt state stably. clear thinking representative model that’s elegant excellent positive successful model of the alt state, is valuable in itself.
    • Coherently access the loose cog state. Requires solid theory that’s 2-level simple, basic, sturdy, clear-cut.
    • We have religious knowledge on a directly expressed scientific ground.
    • Don’t fog up my useful helpful comprehensible explanatory model.
    • Above all, bring a comprehensible/ comprehensibility trumps “freewill moral thought” confusions.
    • Don’t let my explanatory framework be fogged up by freewill fog.
    • My model machine includes a vial of freewill fog, contained, not run rampant/chaos.
    • Avoid chaos. Theory chaos gives control chaos, prevents enlightenment.
    • Simplicity and clarity above all.
    • We’ll call you out for “freewill fog by fiat“.
    • Don’t let freewill fog destroy the basic enlightenment clarity useful coherence.
    • Freewill Fog threatens to obscure the useful clear simple cybernetic theory of ego transcendence, Core Theory.
    • The Max Freakout 2-level Core Theory (red initiate w/ weight on right leg) MUST dominate over Freewill Fog (the 3-level model, guy row 2 right in Psalter w/ both feet floating off ground).
  • 1:21:22 – talking continues. trk 3880. “Distinctly, emphasize simple 2-level model, Erik Davis’ lead.”
    • Not yet covering the complicated confusing 3-level, “2 jumps to transcend determinism”, beginning of the 101 course in the Egodeath theory 101.
    • Course 1: the Egodeath theory 101: the 2-level model of Transcendent Knowledge. Hypercalvinism. Early antiquity before precession.
    • Before the Late Antiquity demonization of Heimarmene per Luther H. Martin recounts in Studies in Hellenistic Religions 2018.
  • 1:29:46 – Guitar (3 minutes). new/live broadcast performance, so default song name = “The 2 1/2-Level Model“.
  • 1:33:06 – End.
red initiate 2-level model must dominate over mr. Freewill Fog guy w/ both feet off ground.

The red initiate 2-level model must dominate over Mr. Freewill Fog guy with both feet off ground (& mushroom stable-base hem – and he still asserts non-branching, via the limbless youth attached to him, who he carries).

Eadwine emphasizes the basic 2-level model that asserts eternalism – not the complex confusing scheme that’s based on that and adds complicated stunts and ironic inversions and a confusing love/hate complex stance toward no-free-will.

In the branching-message mushroom tree – depicting that affirming Eternalism is required, for control stability – Eadwine emphasizes the basic 2-level model that asserts eternalism – not the complex confusing scheme that’s based on that and adds complicated stunts and ironic inversions and a confusing love/hate complex stance toward no-free-will.

Freewill Fog guy w/ both feet off ground. don’t let the 3-level model destroy the 2-level model, which is the foundation.

The Erik Davis page 118 2-level cosmology is the foundation [must protect!] per early antiquity from Eudoxus until Hipparchus, before discovery of precession of the equinoxes gave messy confusion of 3-level model that has a complicated, confusing love/hate relationship with Eternalism.

Simple assertion of eternalism / non-branching must dominate ovr 3-level confusions/complexity/ advanced ironic poetic inversions & “trans-rationality”.

for scholarship fair use -m.h., the Egodeath theory. todo: upload my marked-up cropped version instead. meant to show p 118 cosmology 2-level

3-level, qualified possibilism-thinking must not dominate.

2-level eternalism-thinking must dominate, it is the foundation.

Higher mental structures must be firmly based on firmly established & retained egoic mental model and its eternalism based transcendent revelation of egoic control as unstable illusion.

https://www.amazon.com/Origins-Mithraic-Mysteries-Cosmology-Salvation/dp/0195067886 –

Music

might be too much guitar, not gonna mess w it more

Miking

same miking except sitting to right on part. R40 & 635A.

Cognitive Science of Religion

DON’T UPDATE HERE – UPDATE THE DEDICATED POSTING

Searches

https://www.bing.com/search?q=cognitive+science+of+religion

https://www.google.com/search?q=cognitive+science+of+religion

Books

x https://www.routledge.com/The-Cognitive-Science-of-Religion/Slyke/p/book/9781138278868

https://www.routledge.com/The-Cognitive-Science-of-Religion/Slyke/p/book/9781138278868

Book series: Scientific Studies of Religion: Inquiry and Explanation (23 books) – 2014-2021

TODO: copy all blurbs

x https://www.amazon.com/dp/B093Q53DQZ?binding=hardcover&qid=1660752588

Philosophical Foundations of the Cognitive Science of Religion: A Head Start

x https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1350030317

Philosophical Foundations of the Cognitive Science of Religion: A Head Start
2017

(Scientific Studies of Religion: Inquiry and Explanation) Hardcover – September 7, 2017

“Robert N. McCauley and E. Thomas Lawson are considered the founders of the field of the cognitive science of religion.

Since its inception over twenty years ago, the cognitive science of religion has raised questions about the philosophical foundations and implications of such a scientific approach.

This volume from McCauley, including chapters co-authored by Lawson, is the first book-length project to focus on such questions, resulting in a compelling volume that addresses fundamental questions that any scholar of religion should ask.

___

“The essays collected in this volume are those that initially defined this scientific field for the study of religion.

These essays deal with issues of methodology, reductionism, resistance to the scientific study of religion [compare “Psychedelic Science must omit mystic experiences”], and other criticisms that have been lodged against the cognitive science of religion.

The new final chapter sees McCauley reflect on developments in this field since its founding.

___

“Tackling these debates head on and in one place for the first time, this volume belongs on the shelf of every researcher interested in this now established approach to the study of religion within a range of disciplines, including religious studies, philosophy, anthropology and the psychology of religion.”

The Mind of Mithraists

x https://www.amazon.com/Mind-Mithraists-Historical-Scientific-Explanation/dp/1472584198

x https://www.amazon.com/Roman-Mithras-Cult-Scientific-Explanation/dp/1472567412

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 212 – ☁️ Freewill Fog 🌁 (August 16, 2022)

Download for 1 week starting Aug 17, 2022: https://we.tl/t-rG5XnNLU1f

verdict: another great episode despite many reasons against it

4 x 1:40:00 = 5 hours total

Content ☁️

Theurgy texts say “The body is subject to the rule of Fate.”-> NO PROBLEM! word magic, voila:

☁️ 💨 🌁 ☁️

💨 🌁 ☁️ “That’s merely the lower, unregenerate body, prior to spiritual trans-rational apophatic ultra-transcendent rebirth. Didn’t you know, there’s also a higher, soul-body, that’s your true “body”, that’s not subject to Fate.” 💨 🌁 ☁️

☁️ 💨 🌁 ☁️

FREEWILL SAVED AGAIN! 🎉

doubling down on eternalism simplicity and calling BS on bluster bafflegab from every field

Luther Martin Index entries on Heimarmene. Studies in Hellenistic Religions, 2018.

Guitar spread throughout, didn’t have time to delete/trim.

Why This Episode Can’t Possibly Work

Another episode that’s a recipe inviting failure, yet works.

  • Too long means low quality per minute
  • too much guitar
    • … even after I removed bucketloads of guitar
      ✂️🎸–> 🗑
      like Hanegraaff removes the millions of stars into his Rejection wastebasket
      🌌 –> 🗑
  • too much rehashing
  • too much low-fi miking, can’t work
  • Unprepared
  • too complainy & critical

“Ep212a Freewill Fog.mp3”

~1:40:00

“Ep212b Freewill Fog.mp3”

~1:40:00

“Ep212c Freewill Fog.mp3”

~1:40:00

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 211 – Entheogens Reveal Heimarmene in the Ogdoad (August 15, 2022)

Download for 1 week starting Aug 16, 2022: https://we.tl/t-BHe3ogJxnU

1:06:18 voice recording
15:51 guitar separate recording

Errata
  • high-pitch mic noise? conclusion: ribbon mic self-noise. not the best mic for far-miking quiet cab/voice; inherent limitation. blame bright speakers & quiet sound source.

“Ep211 Entheogens Reveal Heimarmene in the Ogdoad.mp3”

1:06:18

Content

Companion posting:
Hanegraaff’s Gnostic Anti-cosmic Negative Repression Attitude against Fate/Heimarmene Going so Far as to Remove the Very Stars from the Heavens

alt title: how ppl avoid and cover-over Transcendent Knowledge, resist it, avoid it – Cosmic Avoidance Tactic.

mostly railing against obfuscation language – people want to avoid Transcendent Knowledge/ no-free-will / ego death.

Electric Kithara Piece: “⛈️🍄🐍🤯💎🌌🐉⚡🎸Entheogens Reveal Heimarmene in the Ogdoad.mp3”

15:51 voyage – included in download, recorded at end of voice recording actually did the content with intro voice at end then guitar. Moved intro voice to start, packaged ending performance as this separate mp3

Guitar piece at the end by Illumination Valve

There was a certain part I was looking for, I’ll try to have that in the next version (it made it into a recent show somewhere).

The same miking as before, except for guitar cabs miking at end, i improved the stereo imaging by aiming necks at cabs.

to redo this performance better, i need to inventory recordings more.

This will be a regular song that i perform recurringly, rather than limiting this song to a single rendition.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 210 – Free Will via Esoteric Obfuscation (August 13-14, 2022)

Download for 1 week starting Aug 15 2022: https://we.tl/t-dRm2r6j78s

Companion Posting: Meta Book Review by Future Me (see text below too, eg for part 210e) – made that webpage after recording 209 & 201a-210d recordings, that page is like a summary of Episode 209 & 210, except for the two recordings in part Ep210e.

https://we.tl/t-Xg6NKSeldr – v1 slight errata, no silence at end of final part (e)

426 MB total, 210 kbps

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Content

Esoteric Dissimulation/ Apologetics/ Misleading

Dissimulation, the escape into poetry to evade the point. IT’S POSITIVELY DAIMONIC

Hanegraaff writes about writers trying to cast a spell enchantment of the reader.

The Egodeath theory is not about enchanting/ misleading the reader, or selling/marketing, but scientifically clearly directly explaining.

Shmognative

Really crummy “Cognitive Approach” article in Luther Martin book.

Poor summary / explanation of what a “cognitive approach” means in scholarly academic scientific study of history of religion.

Evidently ‘cognitive approach’ = cheap throwing around meaningless superficial stylization of outsiders’ fake “cognitivey” sounding lingo, forced, ineffectual, cargo cult.

The Egodeath theory is an actual bona fide multistate loose cognitive science approach.

Others are pretenders, PHONY “COGNITIVE” APPROACHES.

“Ep210a Free Will via Esoteric Obfuscation.mp3”

1:31:34

128 MB

  • 0:00 Guitar
  • 1:45 Content
  • 1:30:07 Guitar
  • 1:31:34 End

“Ep210b Free Will via Esoteric Obfuscation.mp3”

44:15

61 MB

  • 0:00 Intro: Guitar, intro, miking
  • 1:31 Hanegraaff – “when the soul that seeks purification is in need and distress … [demiurge] come to its aid”
  • 17:09 Guitar fx performance (3 minutes)
  • 20:05 “everyone’s in a big sugarcoating project hiding that psilocybin reveals noncontrol”
  • 21:41 Guitar – wah (20 sec)
  • 22:04 – short “why would they try to hide Transcendent Knowledge“/ mic check
  • 22:32 Guitar – wah (45 sec)
  • 23:15 Luther H. Martin: Studies in Hellenistic Religions, 2018
    • 39:35 con’t
  • 44:15 End

“Ep210c Free Will via Esoteric Obfuscation.mp3”

1:20:06

110 MB

  • 0:00 Luther H. Martin: Studies in Hellenistic Religions, 2018
  • 1:20:06 End.

“Ep210d Free Will via Esoteric Obfuscation.mp3”

1:02:04

85 MB

Lots of electrical guitar

  • 0:00 x
  • x:xx End.

“Ep210e Free Will via Esoteric Obfuscation.mp3”

45:06

64 MB

  • 0:00 Free Will via Esoteric Obfuscation – irrelevant esoteric word-usage
    • body[1]
      • body[2]
    • soul[1]
      • soul[2]
    • “stars” (count: 7);
    • entheogens[1]
      • entheogens[2]
    • hylic
    • pneumatic
    • psychic
    • daimonic daimons (totally not the same fkking thing as DEMONIC DEMONS 👹)
    • BLAH BLAH avoidance strategy abstractions to evade the point:
    • ARE YOU (the local control agent) THE SOURCE OF YOUR OWN CONTROL THOUGHTS? – and don’t even think of defining ‘you’
    • the avoidance dance
    • the escape into poetry
    • the Western Esotericism shell game; just magically redefine words!
      • I* am God!
      • I have free will and am not subject to Fate/Heimarmene!*
      • *fine print; not legal tender; not for gambling; this language game is just a toy, not for serious use. we are not responsible for your gullibility by our deceptive language and lies of omission.
  • 6:10 Posting: Meta Book Review by Future Me – made that webpage after recording 209 & 201 a-d recordings, that page is like a summary of Episode 209 & 210 except for Ep210e present recording.
  • 38:36 Guitar
    • 45:06 End.

v1: Errata – no silence at end.

Miking & Music

same as before. wah.

9dB boost long background passages

Background/intermittent guitar: loft sessions, by Illumination Valve, stereo miked, Marshall Plexi

stereo – Marshall Plexi, 2 cabs, ribbon mic & Omni end-address mic.

Left: MXL R40 ribbon mic, Eq: -9 0 -2 dB

Right: Electro-Voice 635A, Eq: 0 0 -10.

80Hz bass cut.

Guitar speaker cabs:
L: Eminence 2×12 w/ greenback & v30
R: Blues Jr. w/ Eminence Fender special design spk

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 209 – Psilocybin Reveals Non-Control – (August 12 & 13, 2022)

Download for 1 week starting Aug 14 2022: https://we.tl/t-Y9CyNAv8K8

635 MB total, 210 kbps

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Content

zillion-hour scholarly intensive, yet another run through the Index entries on Heimarmene in Hanegraaff 2022 & Luther H. Martin’s 2018 book.

I now really understand his relevant passages inside & out, re: the Ogdoad, cosmic levels 7-8-9.

I penetrated downward into criticizing the Hermetic texts themselves and their deceptive moves in falsely trying to appear to promise transcending no-free-will, by their tactic of confusing unnecessary multiplication of entities, such as “there are actually two levels of body… of soul.”

aka the ol’ MOVING THE GOALPOST/ REDEFINING TERMS ON-THE-FLY.

All scholarship is AVOIDANCE GAMES to suppress the revelation of no-free-will/Heimarmene and oversell Transcendent Knowledge as something it’s not and cannot deliver. Baloney texts/claims/insinuations by Hermetic texts, lapped up by Hanegraaff who wants to believe their apologetics.

He covertly removes Heimarmene from Level 8, then puts egoic freewill control power enthroned there. To accomplish this, he quietly tries to hide the fixed stars in Level 7.

We do not exorcise Heimarmene, we exorcise our claim of freewill power, getting rid of “torment” (control instability), we do not get rid of Heimarmene/fatedness, but the opposite: we sacrifice to it in honor of it!

We AFFIRM HEIMARMENE TO GET RID OF THE TURMOIL DUE TO OUR DENYING / RESISTING / REFUSING TO SUMBIT TO HEIMARMENE.

We (the local control agent; the mental model) cast out turmoil along with freewill/the autonomous-control-source claim.

We do not cast out belief in no-free-will/ eternalism/ block universe/ non-branching, but instead, EMBRACE, INCLUDE, AND THEN TRANSCEND no-free-will (Ken Wilber).

Only the Egodeath theory is honest and 100% up-front about this reality, intent of clear explanation rather than pretense & misrepresentation & obfuscation to cover-up what’s revealed.

“Ep209a Psilocybin Reveals Non-Control.mp3”

31:40

“Ep209b Psilocybin Reveals Non-Control.mp3”

1:07:42

“Ep209c Psilocybin Reveals Non-Control.mp3”

36:44

“Ep209d Psilocybin Reveals Non-Control.mp3”

29:40

“Ep209e Psilocybin Reveals Non-Control.mp3”

1:32:27

“Ep209f Psilocybin Reveals Non-Control.mp3”

1:36:29

“Ep209g Psilocybin Reveals Non-Control.mp3”

2:02:39

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 208 – Reverence Repudiating Freewill (August 11, 2022)

Download for 1 week starting Aug 11 2022: https://we.tl/t-l5ALFSiCRU

1:00:59

84 MB stereo

Miking

same. portion demo of behind the mics. sound on sound during guitar at end: layered voice & gtr from previous show on top of guitar. quiet, so hissy.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 207 – Freewill Power Over Heimarmene Delusion (August 10, 2022 p.m.) – great insightful episode

Download for 1 week starting Aug 10 2022: https://we.tl/t-rgGyULvAl1

2:27:11

206 MB stereo 210 kbps

There are a couple spots/quotes in book Hermetic Spirituality where Hanegraaff casually asserts shallow run-of-the-mill Arminian freewillist facile argumentation.

What’s accomplished by Hanegraaff, a proponent of freewill-thinking, removing the fixed stars from his Level 8 cosmology model of psychospiritual development and moving them into the planetary spheres.

Why conflate per his “planetary constellations” and redefining the word ‘cosmos’ so that Level 8 is called “hypercosmic”.

So he can imagine that no-free-will heimarmene is a negative illusory “imaginary” and “non-reasoning” “psychological” demon to be rejected, while asserting (in standard default normal egoic typically constitutionally predictable sinful innate non-reasoning fashion) that his freewill power is real and belongs on the throne in Level 8.

  • 0:00 – track 1: content, whitenoise background.
  • 12:47 – track 2 start: guitar
  • 13:31 – track 2: content, guitar background.
  • 1:14:03 – track 2 end: guitar
  • 1:15:25 – track 3: content. silent background. EXCELLENT analysis built on track 1.
  • 2:26:43 – track 4: guitar (short outtake from voice recording)
  • 2:27:11 – end
Miking & Music

same as before

6dB boost long bg passages

Background/intermittent guitar: Slow Spaghetti; loft session 29, by Illumination Valve, stereo miked, Marshall Plexi

stereo – Marshall Plexi, 2 cabs, ribbon mic & Omni end-address mic.

Left: MXL R40 ribbon mic, Eq: -9 0 -2 dB

Right: Electro-Voice 635A, Eq: 0 0 -10.

80Hz bass cut.

Guitar speaker cabs:
L: Eminence 2×12 w/ greenback & v30
R: Blues Jr. w/ Eminence Fender special design spk

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 206 – 2-3-4 Phase Transformation Model (August 10, 2022)

Download 1 week: https://we.tl/t-mENRr1GoXx v2, no typing
1:35:14

Miking & Music

same as before

some whitenoise background, some silent background.

dl 1 wk: https://we.tl/t-P7ENMUnVx9 v1 – typing at 40% through

v1 Errata
  • 40% in, typing – delete most of that long non-talking passage that has probably quieter guitar level

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 205 – Block Universe Repression (August 9, 2022)

Download 1 week: https://we.tl/t-Kalbl3U7h3

Download 1 week: https://we.tl/t-mMLtxNB9cF darn that’s Ep204+the song

1:56:44

164 MB stereo

Music

Background/intermittent guitar: Slow Spaghetti; loft session 29, by Illumination Valve, stereo miked, Marshall Plexi, same miking as before

Live-broadcast format recordings with slight production: remove silence (-34 dB) and amplify intermittent music longer portions by 6dB.

Content
  • 0:00 – content 1
  • 11:02 – guitar (slow sp.)
  • 11:33 – content 2
  • 51:15 – guitar: Slow Spaghetti, 3 minutes live in-studio performance by Illumination Valve
  • 54:20 – content 3
  • 1:53:16 – guitar: Slow Spaghetti, 3 minutes live in-studio performance by Illumination Valve: outro & guitar
  • 1:56:16 – End.
  • download includes 3-minute guitar performance from end of last show Ep204, “Ugly Cosmology Mapping.mp3” by Illumination Valve.

What are the psychological/cognitive ramifications of removing the fixed stars from one’s glorified Ogdoad (8th cosmic level)?

Denying eternalism/Heimarmene instead of reconciling with no-free-will/ God’s omnipotence.

This bad attitude toward Heimarmene/eternalism (suppressing, repressing, and dissociating from eternalism) prevents ego transcendence & experiencing nonduality with the Source of all that exists.

Hanegraaff asserts freewill-premised moral control agency while claiming to reverence the Source of all that exists.

Yet Hanegraaff claims to be the origin of his personal control thoughts – and he tries to get rid of Heimarmene from “his” level, the 8th.

He writes from the point of view of the 8th, but he’s removed Heimarmene block-universe determinism from where he positions himself.

This is the path to control chaos instability seizure; he is impious and dishonors the heimarmene that the Source (pege) created – the source of all that exists, specifically one’s personal control thoughts.

He casually presents naive facile Arminian freewill arguments.

He denies and suppresses, represses, and dissociates from Heimarmene eternalism non-branching no-free-will block-universe determinism Fatedness, instead of honoring and integrating eternalism-thinking.

He brings his pollution, impurity, and impiety into God’s court, causing the gods’ wrath and rage, what he dismisses as an ordinary-state Psychology type of “negative passions/energies/powers”/traits.

Hanegraaff calls for a Cognitive Multi-state Science approach to supplement scientific study of history of religions – you summoned me, the Egodeath theory, in my wrathful & merciful aspect: the god Helios, the demiurge, Yaldaboth.

1. “Ep205 Block Universe Repression.mp3”

2. 3-minute guitar performance from end of last show Ep204, “Ugly Cosmology Mapping.mp3” by Illumination Valve

Music

Background/intermittent guitar: Slow Spaghetti; loft session 29, by Illumination Valve, stereo miked, Marshall Plexi, same miking as before

stereo – miking: same as before. Marshall Plexi, 2 cabs, ribbon mic & Omni end-address mic.

Left: MXL R40 ribbon mic, Eq: -9 0 -2 dB

Right: Electro-Voice 635A, Eq: 0 0 -10.

80Hz bass cut.

2 guitar speaker cabs –
L: Eminence 2×12 w/ greenback & v30
R: Blues Jr. w/ Eminence Fender special design spk

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 204 – Ugly Cosmology Mapping (August 8, 2022)

1:40:55

141 MB stereo

Review title: Moves fixed stars from Ogdoad to Saturn

  • Live broadcast single take performance with guitar at end, skip the production and just live-broadcast it as-is! ok i caved after some meditation: i removed gaps, i hate gaps – like Hanegraaff’s cosmic grand canyon removing the fixed stars.
Content
  • 0:00 – Theorizing.
  • 1:37:48 – Guitar gear performance by Illumination Valve, live in studio. 3:07 length.
  • 1:40:55 – End.
  • What are ramif for the Egodeath theory when Hanegraaff tries to covertly silently not talk about fixed stars and tries to exaggerate and invent differences (uniquenesses) between Theurgy’s cosmological levels numbering vs. the standard model per the alleged single spreading “the perennial wisdom tradition”.
  • How do ideas and mystic state discovery & models really spread?
  • Not by dumb propagation per “the perennial wisdom tradition” as Haneg objects to – but neither is each system so unique as his vested interest exaggerates and overstates.
  • His malformed book helped tighten the mapping provided by the Egodeath theory – he made me also add an UGLY CONFUSING MISREP’V mapping to his deviant model that artificially forces, with incoherent & self-contra results, Theurgy to look as if essentially different from the other brands (Gnost, Christianity, Mithr).
    • Ok so the Egodeath theory can map to the well-formed standard astral ascent mysticism / spiritual ascent cosmology. But a real stress-test for the Egodeath theory is, can it map to and patch and repair a confusingly deviant cosmology and clarify gratuitous confusions?
    • Yes, the Egodeath theory is all about repairing confusions; welcome to scholarship. All in stride; business as usual; SNAFU.
    • It took me 3 weeks to identify and straighten out Hanegraff’s cosmic mess: 7/19/2022-8/8/2022.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 203 – Zodiac Heimarmene in the Ogdoad

Download for 1 week starting Aug 7 2022: https://we.tl/t-5WbnxdRX3A

4 hours

Not tightened, lots of guitar fills – slow paced & fast paced

330 MB, 210 kbps

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Content

Built on my extensive highlighting notes in Hanegraaff’s new book Hermetic Spirituality.

His confusing use of “stars” to mean 7 of them.

He is downright deceptive and misleading: eliminates fixed stars from Level 8 of standard mystic cosmology, and then jams zodiac and heimarmene into Level 7 as labels that “the planetary cosmos” and “the astral cosmos” and talks of section heading “Beyond the Stars” but dont’ let him deceive you: he says there are 7 stars, only, and sneaks zodiac into Level 7 (Saturn), carrying heimarmene (no-free-will ego death disproof seizure / reconfiguration) with it, mis-placing ego death fear & trembling but he says there is fear & trembling in level 8 too, from the Nous power possessing you.

I reconciled with his model and straightened out his cosmic trainwreck by: at top of Level 7 , 7.9, you die ego death, pass through gate, are reborn into bottom of Level 8; 8.1, where you cannot yet hear the song of Level 9 until get to Level 8.9.

Also when you come to rest stably in Level 8, you have transcended the egoic daimonic powers and are no longer under their control – but your soul level remains slave of fate/nfw/ heimarmene/ block universe. You have in this sense transcended heimarmene yet are still controlled by it, as far as your soul.

When you move through higher gate from 8 to 9, then only then you transcend heimarmene.

What you transcend upon reaching Heimarmene/Level 8 is egoic planetary delusion or 0-7 level delusion.

The trick to straightening out his mess is WRITE A NUMERAL 7 8 9 OR 10 NEXT TO EVERY WORD, 7 (8.1) means he says object x is at level 7, the Egodeath theory says it’s at level 8.1. Zodiac is 7 (8); he sneaks/jams it into level 7, it’s level 8.

Top-quality content but this is a scholars’ working session live broadcast format show, this is a theory DEVELOPMENT show, and that is what this episode delivers.

🎸✇✇🎛🎚📻🔉🎙🦆🎤🔉

Can you hear the wind blow / Marshall stacks per a Led Zeppelin DVD per Erik Davis’ 2005 book Led Zeppelin IV.

“Ep203a Zodiac Heimarmene in the Ogdoad.mp3”

35:15

47 MB

“Ep203b Zodiac Heimarmene in the Ogdoad.mp3”

1:52:58

158 MB

“Ep203c Zodiac Heimarmene in the Ogdoad.mp3”

1:31:04

122 MB

“Zodiac Heimarmene Hebdomad Kithara.mp3”

guitar 7:02

9 MB

“Zodiac Heimarmene Ogdoad Kithara.mp3”

guitar 7:37

10 MB

Miking

stereo – miking: same as before. Loft session 17, Marshall Plexi, 2 cabs, ribbon mic & Omni end-address mic.

Left: MXL R40 ribbon mic, Eq: -9 0 -2 dB

Right: Electro-Voice 635A, Eq: 0 0 -10.

80Hz bass cut. Typical 20″.

2 guitar speaker cabs

Other Methods than Entheogens Can Trigger Loose Cognition

In 1997, I point out the distinction between the mind’s loosecog potentials and triggers for it, but I avoid the huge lie of falsely elevating other methods.

As late as 1997, I don’t employ the concept of ‘entheogens’; this outline is evidence that in 1985-1997 I had zero influence from Allegro or entheogen scholarship about pre-modern use. The outline shows how totally contemporary and not history focused I was during my Phase 1 Core Theory though I had read Gnosis journal and its special issue which itself was totally oblivious to the entheogen history concept. That Gnosis special issue on Psychedelics took it for granted – which I did object to immediately – that the Traditional Methods of the Mystics were not chemical (I didn’t have the word ‘entheogen’).

WHEN DID I FIRST WRITE THE WORD ‘ENTHEOGENS’? I guess 1999 or 2000. That’s a valuable interesting point for justifying cutting apart my Cybernetic Core theory Phase 1 work vs. my Entheogen/Mytheme History Phase 2 work: the lack or presence of the word ‘entheogens’. Does such as distinction hold up to scrutiny? Yes I sure feel the lack of the knowledge of the whole realm of concepts ‘entheogen’ except… it felt lonely in 1986 wondering and researching which psychedelic is the scrolls eaten in Revelation, all the way to 1997 I still hadn’t heard of Wasson, Allegro, Ruck, or ‘entheogens’. Then at Amazon and graduate library my research found them, around 1999 – I discovered entheogen scholarship only after my 1997 core theory; very much the feel and flavor through 1997 was, I lived in a world without the existence of the concept and field of entheogen scholarship.

During 1988-1997, I had the cybernetic theory of ego transcendence, but lacked and needed entheogen scholarship, and I knew something was wrong with spirituality special issues on “psychedelics vs. the traditional methods of the mystics” (Gnosis, Tricycle) – major false dichotomy, I felt. My 1988 reading of the library included contemporary-focused journals of psychedelics (I have photocopies) but I don’t think I perceived the field of entheogen scholarship then.

It is perfectly false, Hatsis’ assumption that I’m some sort of “follower of Allegro”. He describes himself and his own thought-world origins and projects his own mistaken followership onto other people.

I essentially formed the concept of entheogen scholarship independently.

From the summary outline Self-Control Cybernetics, Dissociative Cognition, & Mystic Ego Death (1997 core theory spec) – aka: The Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence
Section: Mental Construct Binding and the Mind-Revealing Dissociative State –

https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/30/self-control-cybernetics-dissociative-cognition-mystic-ego-death/#mcbatm –

“The dissociative cognitive state enables deep-level symbolic re-indexing of mental constructs.

There are multiple triggers for the dissociative cognitive state, including psychedelics, meditation, schizophrenia, sensory deprivation, hyperventilation, temporal-lobe epilepsy, UFO abduction, and near-death experiences.

The most powerful trigger for long sessions of cognitive dissociation is lysergic acid, a key technology.

Psychoactive substances should be of great interest to theorists in many fields.

The absence of such psychoactive keys preserves delusion, to preserve the sense of freedom and autonomous agency.

The New Testament morally permits ingesting anything (Mark 7:6, Matthew 15:7).

Acid-rock mysticism vividly alludes to and resonates with ego death and the dissociative cognition that leads up to it.”

Reaching Ogdoad = Escaping Heimarmene (in Theurgy)

At what cosmological level are the fixed stars, specifically in Theurgy’s version of spiritual ascent cosmology? Surely it’s level 8, correct?

At what highest cosmological level is Heimarmene, specifically in Theurgy’s version of spiritual ascent cosmology?

ie: In (specifically) Theurgy per Hermetic texts such as “On the 8th/9th”, is Heimarmene at the level of the fixed stars?

In the Theurgy brand of spiritual ascent cosmology, do the fixed stars represent Heimarmene?

Compare & contrast spiritual ascent cosmologies:

  • Gnosticism
  • Mithraism
  • Theurgy
  • Christianity
  • 10 – Decad, God, the Elect, the Empyrean/Imperium/etc
  • 9 – Ennead – the Ninth
  • 8 – Ogdoad, the sphere of the fixed stars (each sphere has onion layer thickness) – I say fixed stars always = Heimarmene, ency.com/hermes disagrees.
  • 7 – Hebdomad, Saturn (a wandering star sphere)
  • 6 – Jupiter
  • 5 – mars
  • 4 – sun, sol – is sun a star? wandering star
  • 3 – venus
  • 2 – mercury
  • 1 – moon, luna – lowest sphere – is moon a star? wandering star
  • 0 – earth, sublunar realm

https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/hermes-trismegistos

“and with the heavenly[?] spheres on the other hand. Thus, reaching the Ogdoad means not only escaping planetary Heimarmene [what about fixed-stars heimarmene per Mithraism, Gnosticism, and Christianity?] and subjection to the Law but also recovering the likeness and the glorious condition of Seth, the first man who was begotten in the form and image of the Self-begotten (i.e., Adam), who in turn was made in the image of the Unbegotten Creator. “

Heimarmogenic Plants

Irvin mischaracterizes psychedelics as suggestogens.

They are Heimarmgens.

Heimarmogenic plants

Heimarmogenic substances

Hanegraaff’s non-drug entheogens fail to generate experiencing of Heimarmene/ non-control/ no-free-will/ eternalism/ fatedness/ preexistence of personal control thoughts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimarmene

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 202 – Cosmic Grand Canyon (Aug 5-6, 2022) – Big Brain Special

🤔 🤯 😓 😯 👽 🛸 👾

Download for 1 week starting August 6, 2022: https://we.tl/t-hrI5U38Owa

3:37:36

<—stereo—>

🐷 301 MB 🐷

Content

The harms/ main problems caused by Hanegraaff removing Heimarmene from the 8th level of the standard geocentric spiritual cosmology (Astral Ascent Mysticism) that’s shared by Gnosticism, Mithraism, Theurgy, and Christianity. Conflict, confusion, and misinterpretation results.

Book review title idea for Hanegraaff’s book Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity (June 30, 2022):

Silently Removes Heimarmene/Fatedness from Level 8: Confusion, Conflict, & Misinterpretation Ensues

  • Hanegraaff 1999 article summarizing his “naive” (his 2012 assessment re psychedelics, failed to account for Prohibition Censorship) New Age book:
    • New Age Spiritualities as Secular Religion: A Historian’s Perspective
    • [i assume Thomas Hatsis the Psychedelic Witch Historian has read this 🙄 ]
    • ~16:00 – Is my 1997 Core Theory summary adequate regarding transcending no-free-will? No, a quick check indicates it’s inadequate. https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/30/self-control-cybernetics-dissociative-cognition-mystic-ego-death/ – TODO: read this aloud on the Egodeath Mystery Show. Critique its analogies, limits.
    • Returning to tightcog after mental transformation in the climactic loosecog threatening & sacrifice of child thinking’s cybernetic vulnerability demonstration is “qualified possibilism-thinking” and needs to be accounted for in a Cog Pheny based model in the field of Loose Cog Sci which is the esoteric (high) level of Cog Sci (contrasted with the neuroreductionism = exoteric (low) level of Cog Sci.
    • If you guys get to add a lower, exoteric, neuro level to what you misleadingly market as “Cog Sci”, broadened downward…
    • … then I get to add a higher, esoteric, Loosecog level to Cog Sci broadened upward.
      • domain-adequate, explanandum-appropriate. Cog Sci is worthless and wussy and incapable (like Psychedelic Science is worthless and wussy and incapable) if it’s hamstrung and crippled and limited to merely only one state, tightcog Cog Sci.
      • “IT’S TOO HARD! WE CANT HANDLE IT 😭” cries single-state Psychedelic Science 🙃 that can’t handle mystic revelation.
        • MAN UP – positive mental attitude.
        • I already proved, it can be done, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, YOU WUSSES IN single-state Cog Sci; you wusses in single-state flatland faux phony so-called “Psychedelic Science”.
        • It’s a Done Deal: in the Egodeath theory, I have already created a domain-adequate cognitive phen’y multi-state science model explaining the given explanandum, loosecog phen’y realm’s content: Loose Cognitive Science.
    • Religious mythology (the Empyrean; the Source; Spirit; level 9/10 of the standard geocentric spiritual cosmology; astral ascent mysticism) corrects my core theory here, driving the correction and making-sufficient my scientific explicit direct explanatory model/ modernly efficient explanatory framework.
    • Erik Davis’ 2005 treatment in Led Zeppelin IV page 118/119 & 122 has {soul} but no {spirit}, terminates with basic eternalism-thinking but doesn’t adequately, explicitly account for qualified possibilism-thinking (the return of tightcog after mental model transformation in the loosecog mystic state peak window series of initiations):
      The Entheogen Theory of Religion and Ego Death (2006 main article), section:
    • page 117 118 119[geocentric spiritual cosmology] 122[the Egodeath theory] in Erik Davis’ book Led Zeppelin IV
    • Davis has no level above the fixed stars (no-free-will experiential realization) (level 8) and he falsely calls the 8th level “the Empyrean”, reducing that level (10) to the mere Heimarmene level (8). So he cannot account for …
    • Davis is unusually strong at understanding and describing level 8.
  • Hanegraaff is extremely weak at describing level 8 bc he silently removes Heimarmene/ no-free-will from level 8 (by silently omitting the fixed stars from his spiritual cosmology and identifying heimarmene with level 7 only, not 8) and then makes statements about what goes on in level 8; 8 vs. 7; and 8 vs. 9 (which are thus hopelessly confusing, in conflict w/ the standard model, and are misinterpretations).
    • therefore READER MUST 100% DISCOUNT LEVEL 8 IN HANEGRAAFF’S SPIRITUAL COSMOLOGY and 50% discount his presentation of level 7 & 9.
    • It’s such a central cosmic-scale omission of no-free-will from level 8 by Hanegraaff, I’m being generous in only docking 1 star.
  • Davis’ error of omission (of the level that’s beyond no-free-will block universe, when tightcog resumes)…
  • & Hanegraaff’s error of omission (silently of no-free-will/ fatedness from level 8, placing level 8 above/outside of heimarmene/ eternalism/ no-free-will/ fatedness/ block universe) cause:
    • Severe confusion
    • Severe conflict (with the standard geocentric spiritual cosmology shared by Gnosticism, Mithraism, Theurgy, and Christianity)
    • Severe misinterpretation
    • the Egodeath theory & cosmology expressed as 2-level vs. 3-level – what’s lost in a 2-level representation of the cognitive pheny transformation
    • Bona fide cognitive pheny approach
    • Broadly, Cog Sci includes an:
      • exoteric level (Neuroreductionism) and
      • esoteric level (Loose Cog Sci; per Charles Tart’s multi-state science, which I happen to have covered on the show not long ago in a deep critical reading
        • I don’t recall offhand why I 1/3 like Tart’s treatment and 2/3 dislike his wording/concepts).
        • Hanegraaff book praises Tart’s multistate science at least as a general concept, as I do as a general concept.
        • At a general abstract level, I agree with John Allegro – but I dislike all his specifics.
        • Robert Segal’s reductionist “cognitive approach to religion”.
        • When someone says “a Cognitive approach”, brace yourself for badness & reductionism to some non-cognitive approach or other.
        • the BLOCK UNIVERSE OF MENTAL CONSTRUCTS
        • 3 minutes of guitar at end
Errata
  • Automatic gap removal wrecked/ deleted the gentle fade-ins of guitar – but sure helped speed up production. Solution: for auto gap removal: try -32, -34dB… find the bottom of audibility.
  • Arguably too much guitar, should cut a couple more minutes (reduce 60sec to 30sec).
  • ~27:00 – wtf, i THINK “Helios is the god of the block universe”, but the recording proves that I actually SAID “Mithras is the god of [did i say “over”?] the block universe” – this is a Hanegraaff-level fail – or really an Erik Davis-level fail.
    • ~16:00 – i speak correctly, saying “Helios”.
Miking 🎙+🎤 🦆

stereo. same miking as before. but i balanced voice L/R & gtr L/R per meters so only on 1st segment I had to shift 20% left in post-production.

Left: MXL R40 ribbon mic, Eq: -9 0 -2 dB

Right: Electro-Voice 635A, Eq: 0 0 -10.

80Hz bass cut. Typical 20″.

2 guitar speaker cabs

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 201 – Non-Threatening Substitutes (Aug 4 & 5 2022)

Download for 1 week starting August 5, 2022: v2: https://we.tl/t-Nd4BZiGgEX
49:57

TEMP v1 https://we.tl/t-xPR4aIhoO5 [that’s a temp superseded URL b/c “wtf” cuss & will add spacing]
49:45

69 MB – 210 kbps stereo

Content

Why egoic freewill premised thinking pushes “cave meditation” and “imagination exercises”, bunk phony substitute pretexts; the “Anything But Drugs” “traditional methods of the mystics”: because these inert harmless phony substitutes are an avoidance/replacement strategy that are guaranteed to not cause loss of control that threatens-to-death the egoic control worldmodel.

Companion posting after the Aug 4 recordings and before the Aug 5 recordings, so what’s initially in that page is in the middle of recording this episode:
Review: **** (4 stars) A Spiritual Cosmology Missing the Most-Important, Star Level

The end of this episode includes live in studio broadcast performance in the style of the electrical music piece Hang Back Freaky, by Illumination Valve.

0 Ω Ω Ω Ω Ω Ω Ω Ω + +

≈≈

∫˜

Errata
  • “w t f” cuss at ~8:00 – it’s been a looong time since i cussed on mic 😵 ☺️ i should have stopped tape, but this episode is live broadcast format so be extra sure not to cuss!
  • tried removing gaps between segments: verdict: FAIL. restore gaps.
  • 2-3 intro clips/fragments [not planning to fix this]
Miking 🎙+🎤

Left: MXL R40 ribbon mic, Eq: -9 0 -2 dB

Right: Electro-Voice 635A, Eq: 0 0 -10.

80Hz bass cut. Typical 20″.

2 guitar speaker cabs

For some reason (lft-leaning monitoring phones?) I had to pan the recent tracks 20% left, and it’s still leaning right according to production meters. The “joy” of stereo. See if result sounds leaning R.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 200 – You Have to WANT to Explain (Aug 3 2022, pm)

Download for 1 week starting August 3, 2022: https://we.tl/t-XMF3l9Ieqt

“Ep200 You Have to WANT to Explain.mp3”

1:04:13

Content

My Philosophy of Science/STEM/ explanatory frameworks.

Hanegraaff’s new video yesterday on Angela’s Symposium YouTube channel about his new book.

Recording of doing voice dictation to write a comment, and then reading aloud the verbose detailed Comments thread on companion page / comment thread:
The Hanegraaff Leap — Over No-Free-Will/Eternalism; the Fixed Stars
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/08/03/the-hanegraaff-leap-over-no-free-will-eternalism-the-fixed-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-1047

https://youtu.be/RocoS-vOGFk&t=490s –

8:10 – watch him perform the Hanegraaff Leap
Miking 🎙+🎤

Left: MXL R40 ribbon mic, Eq: -9 0 -2 dB

Right: Electro-Voice 635A, Eq: 0 0 -10.

80Hz bass cut. Typical 20″.

Guitar 🎸+🦆

2 guitar cabs. some pan/reverb. fwd/rev – I could’ve ducked this morning’s PWTUBE_2766.wav recording, but, I used fresh. Forgot one effect in first 5 minutes.

Errata
  • 0:00-5:32 – forgot one fx connection re: guitar.
  • No show Intro.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 199 – Sphere of Broken Stars (August 3, 2022)

Download for 1 week starting August 3, 2022: https://we.tl/t-5kjS7YwFSJ

live broadcast model – continuous, no edits, lotsa guitar in background

“Ep199a Sphere of Broken Stars.mp3” – Aug 1

47:27

Listen in realtime, as I discovered there’s no place for fixed stars in Hanegraaff’s astral ascent cosmology. He says he’s not 100% certain whether to place the fixed stars in level 7 (Saturn planet, Heptomad) or 8 (Ogdoad, mis-placed as “hypercosmic”), so, he solves that problem by simply entirely omitting the fixed stars & their heimarmene from his cosmology levels.

Repression, suppression, dissociation – nice recipe for giving birth to Ialdaboth monster.

from VOX_TK_3733.wav which is Aug 1, pm; replaces “no-fixed-stars.mp3” (slightly improved)

quickie voice recording – discovered no place for fixed stars in Hanegraaff! 45:00 “no-fixed-stars.mp3” download: https://we.tl/t-BMzKyxODTv stereo miking as before. my latest page is more uptodate than recording. That mp3 file has been superseded; the version that’s recording “Ep199a Sphere of Broken Stars.mp3” is slightly improved/trimmed.

guitar stereo room miked

“Ep199b Sphere of Broken Stars.mp3” – aug 3

21:00

guitar fwd/reverse

“Ep199c Sphere of Broken Stars.mp3” – aug 3

1:25:04

Repairing Hanegraaff’s broken astral ascent cosmology

Generalized clarified model 10-level model gives 2 lvls avail above fixed stars to break out how you want. eg highest initiate level + God.

What terms to look up in Hermetic Spirituality book by Hanegraaff.

Miking: stereo miking R40+635A, eq-balanced

Emailed (the Evil) M Hoffman

Hi M Hoffman,

I am 100% against Wouter Hanegraaff’s language reengineering attempt to redefine ‘entheogen’ to mean non-drug fake bunk methods that don’t work. 

Worst idea of any academic ever.

Did Hanegraaff get permission from Ruck & Ott to redefine the word ‘entheogen’?

I’ve been covering this a lot near 
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/07/20/non-drug-psychedelics/

Idea Development page 14

& including voice; Egodeath Mystery Show episodes

p.s. I need to finish production cleanup on a much improved, professional-level voiceover straight-through reading of your Entheogens in Ancient Mystery Religions article for Toxicology Journal.

— Michael Hoffman, the Egodeath theory

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 198R – Hanegraaff Book (rough, ultra long 7 hours – too big? stereo) July 31, 2022

1 week to download: experimental: https://we.tl/t-XFK686Ms8m 7:36:18

Verdict/retrospective: almost totally successful, despite insane rush job to bulk-produce this. The quality is steadily high; the length doesn’t reduce quality here.

⚗️

553 MB 🐷

I don’t experience “here’s the long dull part, dip in quality” upon playback; the full 8 hours hold up like a good album that’s not wrecked by adding any “skip tracks”. No passage stands out as “this is that passage you should skip”.

(earlier:) I can vouch that the first 1:45:00 is very high quality content including making progress during the spiralling coverage.

Testing the file: The long file is playing in “preview” in wetransfer website, but my music app is semi-hung, seeing a fake b.s. message “Preparing to update” – might reboot – oh it’s FINALLY copying the damn file. wtf never saw a 5-minute “Preparing” message, and 553 MB is huge but not that much huger; what’s the biggest mp3 file I provided here?

Content

Improving/deepening my reading/comprehension of Entheogenic Esotericism article. Print it out and read it 3 times; highlighter/underlining. Understand the situational context backdrop of the article.

  • 9:00 – discussion of emdash vs endash – this shows the high degree of on-topic analysis, very useful, that i provide 😑
  • 45:00 – deep analysis of Reformed theology of God’s snake makes you ingest the entheogen. Entheogenic Grace
  • 56:00 – found some guitar made it in
  • 30:00 – read parts of E E Ch 19 again. link below
  • Hanegraaff’s backfire: I can no longer use the word ‘entheogen’ bc he has injected it with poison, extreme falsehood and making a word mean its own antonym.
    • The word ‘entheogen’ is now useless, indeterminate, self-contradictory, and unusable.
    • Good f’ing job Hanegraaff, language re-engineering and a bad job of it.
    • The book only has 4 sentences on entheogens yet he manages to ruin the word and paint himself in a corner. good job
    • He will cause me to employ ‘entheogen’ less often, and ‘psilocybin’ more often.
    • He has cheapened to death the word ‘entheogen’ by injecting it with extreme falsehood. Now anything “can” be an entheogen, as long as you frame it as spiritual. azz-backwards usage of word definition.
    • fallacy: false dichotomies, rife with
    • fallacy: moving goalpost – rife. book is shot throughout. child’s play: finding self-contradictions in this book together with his articles in support of it.
    • fallacy: etymology sets meaning of a word.
    • he wouldn’t make any of these fallacies except for Prohibition making him irrational.

“Ep198R Hanegraaff Book.mp3”

<—stereo—> starting at 2:18:48

I don’t think guitar ended up on this though might be a little experimenting still in this recordings

no time to break up. YMMV. Might contain long silences, guitar experiment, mic checks commentary (I removed all or most)

Not sure if this will play, too big?

see my recent posts here on Hanegraaff, this set of recordings is based on reading my book review prep notes – companion page: reading aloud this page top half –
Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity (Hanegraaff)

Chapter 19 & ContERN Keynote: Entheogenic Esotericism
https://www.academia.edu/3461770/Entheogenic_Esotericism_2012_

Miking change

Switched from E-V 635A previous episodes, to:

MXL R40 ribbon mic, i poorly started with eq 0 0 -10, later set to flat b/c dark mic.

Later switched to Stereo:
L: MXL R40, eventually got it right: eq 0 0 0, and had to add 80Hz bass cut to settle the meter when silent. 👍 Def’ly use bass cut when stereo asym miking.
R: E-V 635A with eq 0 0 -10.

Retrospective on this Long Piece w/ Experimental Miking

I never used my guitar (except a couple spots snuck in) b/c took way too long to do basic cleanup of levels / gaps b/c experimental miking w/ noisy mic – 1-2 days later (Aug 1) I’ve properly balanced the mics/cabs, which will help.

The more I do experimental miking, the more time it takes to produce the recordings. eg if I avoid all experimental/dynamic miking, that frees up time to throw in some nice fills during production – or omit fills and just ship barebones show with near-zero production time required.

Option: no experimental miking, no production frills = zero time to produce. 🐇

Option: no experimental miking, + production frills = medium time to produce. 😐

Option: experimental miking + no production frills = slow to produce. 🐌 🐢

Option: experimental miking + production frills = eternity to produce. 😵

Bullshiite (sensu lato)

ie non-drug entheogens

The use of non-drug psychedelics, such as cave meditation and imagination exercises, reliably produces as intense of an altered state as two bowlfuls of Psilocybe Cubensis as shown in Eadwine’s Great Mushroom Psalter.

Wording in the 2012 Chapter/Article

“entheogenic religion (in the wide sense)”

“entheogenic religion (in the narrow sense)”.

Wording in the 2012 Keynote Lecture

“entheogenic religion (sensu lato)”

In Hanegraaff’s 2012 Keynote Lecture/Video at ContERN, he reads aloud his Entheogenic Esotericism article but says in one place, Latin instead of English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrIMjjPg7uU&t=250s at 4:10
Video’s description is bullsht-free:

“Wouter J. Hanegraaff (University of Amsterdam) introduces the notion of entheogenic esotericism in this keynote lecture to the First International Conference on Contemporary Esotericism (Stockholm University, 2012). Hanegraaff argues that the use of psychedelic substances in not only Western esoteric currents, but in contemporary religion more broadly, has not been sufficiently recognized in academic studies.”

NOTICE when he says “such as the traditional methods of the theurgists”, he censors out his Footnote 3, where he cites Luck’s article that shows that theurgy is entheogen (substance) based.

Also notice the video text description reveals his hand: there’s no BS about “wide sense”; it straight-up honestly, non-deceptively says “substances need more attention”, not “non-drug entheogens (entheogens in the wide sense) need more scholarly attention”.

Wording in the 2022 Book

“entheogenic esotericism (sensu lato and sensu stricto)”

Chapter 19: Entheogenic Esotericism (2012)

https://www.academia.edu/3461770/Entheogenic_Esotericism_2012_

Translate from Hanegraaff to the Egodeath Theory

my comment posted at Cyberdisciple’s posting
Immediate follow-up on altered state nullity of will in Seneca, De Tranquillitate Animi
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/immediate-follow-up –

For my next writing, I plan to enter a comment here, immediately.

Half-floor elevator speech executive summary:

“Translate” Hanegraaff to the Egodeath theory. Like Cyberdisciple translating ancient texts to the Egodeath theory.

My book review of Hanegraaff’s book, published some time ago an entire month ago (no longer new), will touch on the idea of translating from Hanegraaff-speak (entheogens in the wide sense ie sensu lato) into the lexicon of the Egodeath theory.

Hanegraaff’s book title, June 30 2022, from memory: Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity
http://amzn.com/dp/1009123068

Hanegraaff’s book is about translation; that’s one of his 5 strands that he states the book is woven from.

Because his book breaks away from conventional prejudices and he’s chair of the field of Western Esotericism, he had to go overboard in excellent demonstration of scholarship about interpreting bits of Hermetic texts.

The book is a demonstration of how to rightly and ideally debate interpreting and translating and contextually framing fragments of texts, against a previous generation of biased scholarly overlay of misinterpretation.

This book is a citation tour de force.

Use that fact, that character of his book, to apply Hanegraaff’s idea of translation and citations and interpretations, and the problems of “evidence” & translation, and borderline untranslatability, to translate from Hermeticism according to Hanegraaff – or according to the updated often dull-witted and prejudiced field of academic scholarship – to the Egodeath theory.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 197 – Academics Encounter Group (July 29, 2022)

Download for 1 week starting July 30, 2022: https://we.tl/t-T4dVUtvG0L

1:51:22

A polished show, guitar, a deep reading of Exorcism and peak experiencing in the new book.

The standard for “radically altered state of consciousness” per back cover of book: How high can Psilocybin get? 2 bowlfuls of p cubensis per Eadwine standard dose.

standard dosage: 2 bowlfuls

How high can imagination get in the ordinary state? How high can nondrug cave meditation get?

concentric egg diagram.
  • The 250 Psilocybin species are placed in the egg-yolk center, with Cubensis at the dot in the dead center, together with the highest, most spiritual texts.
  • Semi-entheogens such as Amanita and Scopalamine are placed in the middle, egg-white region.
  • Meditation / Imagination exercises (non-drug entheogens) are placed in the outer periphery with the least-Hermetic texts.

His ordering in the body text is senseless, inconsistent; his body text doesn’t present the 4 groups of texts in a consistent spectrum sequential order, but jumps around.

Content

Hanegraaff leads an imagination-building exercise in his New Age anti-Science religionist cult for academic historian scholars:

😑

imagine “non-drug entheogens” inducing a “radical alternate state of consciousness”

Hermetic Spirituality book page 140 egg diagram of Hermetic texts ranked by spirituality focus is poorly formed, should be an orderly 4-layer onion like the Egodeath theory.

Place non-drug entheogens in the outer darkness of his diagram near the poorest Hermetic texts; place psilocybin in the inner core with the best Hermetic spiritual altered-state texts. Scopalamine in outer core.

I read the pages from the 3 index entries defining “exorcise”.

Heimarmene Gate Book: Luther Martin Studies in Hellenistic Religions

Psilocybin Reality Check

this section is superseded by the subseq posting – don’t clean up this section; use the posting

The Psilocybin Reality Check against the Greedy/Defocused Broad Vague “Entheogen” Theory, Erik Davis egging-on Hanegraaff’s NON-DRUG ENTHEOGENS confabulation is the final straw here.

You force me to shove aside all your bullsht!

The Egodeath theory is a no-bullsht theory, and that’s why it has become a potent practical necessity to forcibly shut out your bullsht avoidance strategies.

THE GOLD STANDARD REFERENCE OF MEASURE for historical entheogen scholarship IS PSILOCYBIN. All else is avoidance and de-focus.

I often say “Psilocybin”, because:

  • Because ‘mushroom’ is mis-heard as the unknown Amanita/muscimol.
  • Because I’m sick of outsiders like Ruck who don’t even have experience with Amanita Muscimol effects, constantly proposing Secret Amanita as the one and only engine for all Hellenistic and Christian religion.
    • Secret Amanita Alchemy has become the impediment and problem, not a solution to explain religious history.
  • Because they haven’t even bothered synthesizing Muscimol.
    • I might be wrong, but the fact that you’re unsure of my claim, proves my point well enough.
  • No one gives a f about Muscimol, because it is low desirability and low relevance despite the artificial worshipping of Secret Amanita on a pedestal as the easy instant answer for all mysteries despite Amanita being a terrible choice for mass initiation.
  • Because I spoke about these questions with relative experts and they totally echoed, they exclaimed “Amanita? No, of course Psilocybin would be much more effective and practical for routine mass inducing altered state.”
    • They were surprised the extent to which Amanita has been lifted to the skies as the supposed engine for all mystery religious and Christian historical use, when people who actually work with Amanita and know about it consider it to be low desirability and hard to work with compared to ideal usability of Psilocybin mushrooms.
    • If they were session guides or hierophants, they said they’d definitely pick Psil over Amanita any day.
    • Ruck tries to turn this weakness into a strength, for his “Secret Amanita Alchemy” “secret processing required” obsession.
    • Ruck dislikes the Psilocybin hypothesis because psil msh are too easy/reliable/ non-secret/ available, doesn’t fit his “Secret Amanita Alchemy” agenda.
  • Because Psilocybin has been synthesized and heavily studied and is relatively most well known and understood.
  • Because Psil is specific, not vague. So much vagueness plagues and prevents theorizing, too broad of models of “mystic methods and effects”.
    • Forget vague and dubious “mystic methods and effects” or even vague greedy unfocused “psychedelics and their effects”.
    • I need opposite of vague, to construct an explanatory model of mental model transformation and mytheme decoding (identifying the experiential referent).
    • I need determinate and specific, to construct a guaranteed sound theory of how the religious mind works, how religious experiencing works throughout history.
  • Because if I can only have one chem or method to build a theory on, a desert island top pick, it’s certainly, by far, Psilocybin eg Cubensis in particular.
  • Because scopalamine effects are unknown,
  • because Hanegraaff and Erik Davis have ruined the word “entheogen” to twist it to mean “the unknown non-drug methods of the mystics” (= a lie), and
  • “psychedelics” broadly means cannabis and Lotus and ibogaine and unknown DMT syrian rue effects and Hanegraaff’s kufei insense (unknown) and MDMA and all kinds of bullsht, which is all an avoidance strategem.
  • Salvia is weird and not Europe history and not standard psychedelic fx.
  • Cactus/mescaline is too Americas and not Europe history and too long lasting poor for redosing to switch from curve to window shape.
  • entheogen scholarship only requires one entheogen, for adequate theory building: the entheogen that is dead center classic reference is Psilocybin.
  • Granted, ointments is strong, scopalamine. The good stuff is Psilocybin (the classic psychedelic), the cheap stuff is Scopalamine (deliriant) and possibly Amanita deliriant but who the f knows, I can’t build a theory on unknown deliriant effects.
  • I’m going for quality and clarity about the effects, to build and construct a clear theory.
  • Psilocybin is guaranteed to produce the intense religious mythology reported effects that are described by myth.
  • Psilocybin is sufficient for theory about entheogen history scholarship and specific
  • Psilocybin mushrooms are ubiquitous, always present as a given available to every culture/religion. Only their use is unknown; their availability is a given.
  • Psilocybin are possibly cultivated, unlike Amanita.

PSILOCYBIN REALITY CHECK: stop the greediness that prevents effective focus.

The Good Friday experiment twice didn’t f*ck around with this bullsht: they intelligently for very good reason used no-bullsht Psilocybin.

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July 30 Cyberdisciple comment post:

Translate” Hanegraaff to the Egodeath theory. Like Cyberdisciple translating ancient texts to the Egodeath theory.

My book review of Hanegraaff’s book, published some time ago an entire month ago (no longer new), will touch on the idea of translating from Hanegraaff-speak (entheogens in the wide sense ie sensu lato) into the lexicon of the Egodeath theory.

Hanegraaff’s book title, June 30 2022, from memory: Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity
http://amzn.com/dp/1009123068

Hanegraaff’s book is about translation; that’s one of his 5 strands that he states the book is woven from.

Because his book breaks away from conventional prejudices and he’s chair of the field of Western Esotericism, he had to go overboard in excellent demonstration of scholarship about interpreting bits of Hermetic texts.

The book is a demonstration of how to rightly and ideally debate interpreting and translating and contextually framing fragments of texts, against a previous generation of biased scholarly overlay of misinterpretation.

This book is a citation tour de force.

Use that fact, that character of his book, to apply Hanegraaff’s idea of translation and citations and interpretations, and the problems of “evidence” & translation, and borderline untranslatability, to translate from Hermeticism according to Hanegraaff – or according to the updated often dull-witted and prejudiced field of academic scholarship – to the Egodeath theory.

/end of Cyberdisciple site comment

Historical Imagination of Non-Drug Entheogens

He makes too big of a deal out of “language can’t convey altered-state experiencing”.

When the altered-state experiecning is readily available on tap, completely ergonomically, the work is shared and integrated interpenetrating together: language and Reason is used with or without skill in and out of and across both states of consciousness.

The “Can’t Do”, negative mentality of needlessly overemphasizing “language can’t convey”, obscures the tremendous success that Science can access in integrating language and reason across both states of consciousness.

Language doesn’t need to induce the altered state; language merely needs to do what Science always uses language to do: form domain-appropriate lexicons and clearly articulated explanatory models.

There is nothing stopping language and Science from mapping, modelling, and explaining the intense peak altered state of divine mania and mental model reconfiguration.

There is no shortage of immersion in the peak intense mystic altered state, except the articificial shortage which academia seeks to perpetuate.

Wouter Hanegraaff’s book “Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity” is a major advance in the academic field of interpreting the Hermetic texts in terms of altered-state spirituality rather than misreading the Hermetic texts as ordinary-state premised philosophical theorizing.

Academia is struggling to keep up with popular spirituality books.

Hanegraaff writes that the normal default understanding in pop spirituality is that gnosis is peak-state experiential knowledge, not ordinary-state based theoretical speculation.

A big unfortunate task for this book is to describe how benighted academia is.

This book’s task is to get academia into the ballpark, instead of being completely lost in massive category errors about the nature of gnosis, and experiential spirituality in theurgy in antiquity.

This book demonstrates excellent use of scholarly apparatus to discuss and debate interpretations of Hermetic texts and related, gnostic or mystic texts.

The interpretations have been pulled away from being lost in the weeds with heavy-handed overlays that obscure the texts’ meaning by an existentialism overlay or by a Protestantism overlay.

The Egodeath Theory community has been wondering lately about when mushrooms were suppressed, by whom, and why.

To answer that, I direct people to Hanegraaff’s books including this one, given that esotericism is entheogenic: the suppression and forgetting of esotericism was identical with loss of mushroom knowledge such as within the church.

Esotericism, which is inherently entheogen-based, was rejected by not “the church”, but by Protestantism and then by the Enlightenment, both Philosophy and Natural Science.

Culture became restricted to only the ordinary state of consciousness.

Natural Science should have embraced Cognitive Science and applied the altered state there.

Hanegraaff in this book affirms Charles Tart’s calls for multistate Science.

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The title contains three phrases:

* “Hermetic Spirituality”: Hermetic writings were descriptions of intense altered state peak experiences, divine madness and ecstasy/frenzy, not ordinary-state based philosophical theorizing.

* “The Historical Imagination”: The fantasy projections and constructions imagined by historians of esotericism, traces the history of invented histories.

* “Altered States of Knowledge”: Historians must shape knowledge in a way that fits with the altered-state experiential context of ancient esoteric writers.

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This book combines five strands, listed on pages 5 and 6:

1. Debate about language and hermeneutics: what the humanities should be all about (ch. 10).

2. Scholarly approach: radical empiricism, methodological agnosticism. Study religion as neither religionist (anti-science, anti-modernity, revering high vague mysticism) nor reductionist (social science only; materialist scientism level only).

3. The historical imagination, narratives, storytelling (Epilogue). Field of W. Esotericism as the reified imaginatl product of discourse for dominant academic traditions to define themselves against belittled, rejected knowledge.

4. Alterations of consciousness are a neglected core dimension of religion and spirituality. He covers consciousness, entheogenic esotericism (including non-drug psychedelics & authentic actual entheogens) per his essay by that title in the book Contemporary Esotericism. In that essay, he explains how the meaning of the word ‘entheogen’ is set by its etymology.

5. The Hermetic tradition not like his earlier work on the Renaissance revisal of the Hermetic writings, but rather now in this book, studying Hermetic writings from the cultural perspective of ancient Roman-era Egypt.

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Prologue: His overview of chapters is on page 9-10.

Chapter 1: Hermetic Spirituality – He employs a selective-texts, spirituality approach, rather than a grab-bag of texts that merely include ‘Hermes’ and use a dubious scholarly construct of ‘the Hermetic tradition’.

Chapter 2: Heart of Darkness – The cultural context of ancient Egypt and private spiritual experiences.

Chapter 3: The Presence of Gods – The Hermetic worldview and the text “Logos Teleios”.

Chapter 4: Children of Hermes – The three known practitioners of Hermetic spirituality.

Chapter 5: Through a Glass Darkly – The problems of textual transmission (bias, edits, translations, fragmentation). Presents strategies for reconstruction and interpretation. Page 140 has a diagram of Hermetic texts ranked by relevance to experiential altered-state spirituality.

Chapter 6: Healing the Soul – the “Poimandres” text. Healing the soul from contamination by negative passions (a mundane ordinary-state based, “psychologizing” reading, despite texts’ key words of divine mania, terror, ecstatic madness, and transgression of personal control).

Chapter 7: The Path of Reverence – the highest virtue is Reverence but he doesn’t explain how Reverence is connected with passing through the Heimarmene gate, except to state that Reverence of the Source (‘pege’) and non-dual consciousness of the Source of All (personal control thoughts) requires spiritual rebirth first. He aims for a “thoroughly positive” reading that feels disconnected from the drama of the Heimarmene gate rebirth passage (no-free-will, helpless puppet, non-control, putting dependent trust in the uncontrollable Source of thoughts, to transcend Heimarmene).

Chapter 8: Becoming Alive – the text “CH XIII”: rebirth, liberated from the powers of darkness where the pupil’s “body” was possessed.

Chapter 9: The Source – rebirth through the Heimarmene gate into the hypercosmic Ogdoad (the eighth sphere; the sphere of the fixed stars), equivalent to the realm of divinized souls. The Ennead: the ninth, the Empyrean realm of noetic powers; highest knowing. Beyond that, the ‘pege’; the Source of all manifestation (including personal control thoughts).

Chapter 10: The Conquest of Time – transmitting intense, highest, peak altered state experiences through the medium of language. Presents “phantasia” in place of the mental construct layer. Here could be Paul Thagard’s Cognitive Science-based explanation of how Science constructs domain-appropriate lexicons and models (book: Conceptual Revolutions). Emphasis on the limitations of language, but Gadamer, against Derrida, takes a “can-do” attitude of skillful hermeneutics interpretation or understanding, called ‘hermeneia’, from Hermes.

Epilogue: Against the prejudiced, supposedly “cosmos-hating”, negative reading by the Protestant theology and existentialism overlays, the Hermetic way was actually a joyful path celebrating life and light, freed from negativity (Hanegraaff is referencing the ordinary state here, experiencing divine madness is suddenly forgotten). “Free the soul from powerful influences as fear and aggression” (a reductionist, mundane-state reading). The intense altered state backdrop wanes here as we return to baseline state of consciousness. The course of Hermes was driven by a “thoroughly positive” spirit of knowledge and understanding (were Dionysus and the furies left behind, dropped out of the equation?)

Bibliography: about 800 entries, including Benny Shanon, Carl Ruck, Rinella, Tart, A. Watts, DeConick, Michael Williams, Karen King, Mahe, Fowden, Kingsley, Ustinova, G.R.S. Mead, not Luther H. Martin (Hellenistic Religions, a cognitive approach).

Index lacks the key word ‘entheogen’ (used 5 times in this book) but includes ‘psychoactive agents’, ‘meditation’, ‘mania’, ‘ecstasy’ and ‘deisidaimonia’ (it’s a D.I.Y. deal; use Amazon full-text search). Hanegraaff criticizes Williams and King for lacking ‘gnosis’ in their index of their Gnosticism books; so his entry for ‘gnosis’ is long. ‘fate’ directs to ‘Heimarmene’, rightly emphasized. Lacks ‘gate’ and ‘guard’, despite the key mytheme of daimons guarding passage through the Heimarmene gate (a major altered-state psychological function).

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Prologue page 1 lists points:

Sentence 1 of book: “the search for knowledge” of “how things really are”. (re: should focus on: gnosis is about how the personal control source of control thoughts is really arranged) The best most spiritual Hermetic texts reveal the true nature of reality (vague) providing “liberation from mental delusion” (vague; transcendence of non-branching/Eternalism/no-free-will revelation of the uncontrollable source of control thoughts) . The claim that this gnosis is “inexpressible in human language”. I firmly disagree. This book somewhat and the Egodeath theory fully adequately expresses gnosis, per scientific domain-effective model construction. Obviously a scientific model using words and diagrams and lexicon doesn’t produce an experience; psilocybin readily produces the experience especially when integrated with this scientific Cognitive Phenomenology model (not an inappropriate Neuroscience/Neuroreductionism model, since when I say “Cognitive” everyone wants to falsely claim that I said “Neuro”). Cognitive and Neuro are essentially different levels, Neuro cannot effectively model Cognitive; only a Cognitive-level model can effectively model the Cognitive (mental construct) dynamics produced by Psilocybin.

Against the claim that gnosis is inexpressible in language, there are Hermetic texts and this book. Truth can be expereinced and written about or ratehr scientifically modelled in text & diagrams, and that’s all required, together, integrated.

It’s pointless to talk of “text without altered-state experiencing”. No one should be trying to figure out and model this region realm without integrating altered-state experiencing, so it’s pointless to emphasize “text can’t produce experience”.

In some ways, text is required, to produce altered state experience: an adequate scientific text+diagram model is required, to efficiently access and work with the altered-state peak experiencing of mental model transformation when fully passing through the Eternalism gate, full transformation of the mental worldmodel around personal control, source of control thoughts, block universe, moving from a branching to a non-branching mental worldmodel, including moving from premise of autonomous control to dependent control.

This book doesn’t focus on personal control transformation, barely at all, though “control” is mentioned near discussions of the Fate/Heimarmene gate.

Hermetic texts were required, plus Psilocybin, plus activities bridging the texts and the Psilocybin altered state – but in no way do those Psilocybin-state activities replace or substitute for Psilocybin or themselves produce the Psilocybin experience.

There’s too much negative emphasis saying “X can’t produce” – this is stupid and pointless.

What produces gnosis is the combination of “text” (ie appropriate and adequate, articulate scientific model of the domain) plus Psilocybin plus activities during the Psilocybin state (eg personal teaching, initiation session guide) that bridge the text/model with the peak ultimate experiencing of non-control, ie dependence (he calls it “Reverence”) on the Source of All.

Then page 2 lists 3 things:

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Hanegraaff on page 1 makes the usual fundamental basic mistake of pitting “reason” against the altered state: a false dichotomy. Reason exists in both states (ordinary & altered; tight & loose cognitive assocaition binding), as John Lash (a discoverer of the Great Mushroom Psalter) states in his book, Not In His Name.

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Hanegraaff isn’t permitted to genuinely engage with the topic of entheogens; for example, the word ‘entheogens’ doesn’t appear in the Index, and he tries to put forward, hidden and obscured by Latin, a proposal that academics should form a construct, non-drug entheogens.

He wouldn’t propose “entheogens in the sensu lato” (ie non-drug entheogens) – the worst idea of any academic ever, – if a fair contest were permitted by incorrigibly hidebound academia.

Hanegraaff’s imagined invention, “entheogenic religion in the _sensu lato_ (a.k.a. entheogens in the broad sense, i.e. non-drug entheogens), is the worst idea of any academic ever.

Alleged “other methods” do not, in fact, produce the peak intensity that psilocybin does, and this misuse of language steals reverence and credit that is due to psilocybin and falsely elevates ineffectual, bunk substitutes, and pits Hanegraaff against the field of entheogen scholarship.

This proposal to elevate vague methods that don’t produce the claimed results is a coerced position that scholars are forced to resort to. This book brings scholarship significantly further away from the previous demonization of esoteric pagan oriental Platonism.

Yet academia remains stuck within a murky, superstious prejudice that forces scholars to imagine a self-contradiction, non-drug entheogens and nebulous “other methods”, “the traditional methods of the mystics”, where entheogens are simply assumed to be the imitators rather than the gold standard measure against which false claimants, the alleged “other methods”, pale.

I spot-read the back matter.

This book’s index redirects from Fate to Heimarmene and has a good number of mentions of the Heimarmene gate and associated fear, terror, divine madness, and trembling, but the best Hanegraaff can do to make sense of this peak-state control-seizure instability is to try to apply mundane Psychology and then change the subject to Reverence for the Source of All.

This is beginner-level altered-state treatment, nonduality explained by the outsider to the experience.

Hanegraaff calls for more use of the Cognitive Science and Cognitive Phenomenology perspective and analytical tools.

A Cognitive Phenomonology approach is expressed in terms of mental construct processing and loose cognitive association binding caused by entheogens or visionary plants. This book uses the term “phantasia” in place of “mental constructs”, in the Theurgy context.

An authentically Cognitive approach is firmly against Neuroreductionism and the bait-and-switch where people say the magic word ‘Cognitive’ but then immediately adopt a purely Neuroscience paradigm instead (eg ‘neuroplasticity’).

This book praises Benny Shanon’s cognitive phenomenology book The Antipodes of the Mind: Charting the Phenomenology of the Ayahuasca Experience, [http://amzn.com/dp/0199252939/] but easily allows for Neuroreductionism.

Hanegraaff doesn’t provide any detail about his call for a Cognitive approach.

The Egodeath theory explains transforming the mental model to regain stability while passing through the no-free-will, or non-control gate in Astral Ascent Mysticism — all explained at the level of mental constructs, experiencing, and mental worldmodels, not low-relevance avoidance techniques, irrelevant Neuroreductionism such as “neuroplasticity”.

If I wanted to discuss neuroplasticity, I’d discuss loose mental construct binding instead, which helps identify which altered-state experiential aspects religious mythology and Theurgy is describing.

Religious mythology is analogies that describe the experitial transformation produced by loose cognitive association from psilocybin, transforming the mental worldmodel from autonomous control in a branching, freewill-premised world, to dependent control frozen into a non-branching world, with pre-existing control thoughts beyond the local control agent.

Theurgy as presented by Hanegraaff integrates Astral Ascent Mysticism, with a centerpoint being passing through the fearsome Fate-ruled Heimarmene gate at the sphere of Saturn and the sphere of the fixed stars.

In his “thoroughly positive” imagining of Theurgy and Astral Ascent Mysticism, Hanegraaff imagines an easy friendship with the Source that’s the controller and creator of all.

Negative experiences are to be explained through Psychology in the ordinary state of concsciousness.

Hanegraaff tends toward a mundane, ordinary-state premised reading mode.

A central theme of Theurgy is animation of statues.

Hanegraaff doesn’t understand the basic effects of entheogens or he would realize how they are hands-down superior to the vague “other methods” hypotheses.

Psilocybin causes visual movement; it makes statues move.

Every person who has authentic experience is well familiar with melting walls, yet Hanegraaff only comes as near as vaguely writing that entheogens cause illumination of statues “and other effects”.

Per his argument, the meaning of ‘entheogen’ is not set by Jonathan Ott’s book The Angels’ Dictionary; nor by Ruck, Hofmann, and Wasson who coined the word; nor by everyone in the field of Entheogen Scholarship.

This is how powerful Hanegraaff’s imagination techniques have grown: sensory deprivation produces the ancient theurgists’ divine mania, terror, ecstasy, and reverent fear of the Source as intensely and practically as peak doses of psilcybin.

p392 in his article which this book cites three times: “Although this broadens current understandings of the term, ‘entheogen’ does not strictly imply substances.”

Through magical manipulation of language, Hanegraaff, under coercion, tries in vain to elevate non-drug methods to be as efficacious as peak psilocybin experiencing that actually produces divine mania.

The word ‘entheogen’ wasn’t permitted to appear in the Index; you have to add it yourself: pages 5-6, 98, 110, 228, 385.

The 2nd entry is astral ascent mysticism, 3rd is alterd states, and the other 3 of 5 are citations of the author’s Entheogenic Esotericism essay in the book Contemporary Esotericism.

Hanegraaff provides translations of latin except on page 5-6 where he tries to hide and obfuscate his invention, the worst idea of any academic ever: non-drug entheogens, “entheogenic esotericism (_sensu lato_ and _sensu stricto_)”, which translates into English as “non-drug psychedelics”.

His 2012 article that this book cites 3 times explains how the meaning of a word is set by its etymology: ‘psychedelic’ means “makes the mind perceptible”, and ‘entheogen’ means ‘generates the divine’.

The brain’s psychedelic receptors can be triggered by countless unknown and unspecified non-drug methods to producing effects as readily and strongly as high doses of psilocybin.

Therefore, we can redefine the word ‘entheogen’ to mean The Traditional Non-Drug Methods of the Mystics, producing the Academics’ product, non-drug entheogens, aka “entheogens in the wide sense”.

The present book repeats the “Entheogenic Esotericism” article’s assertion “Although this broadens current understandings” (such as the definition of the word ‘entheogen’ by Jonathan Ott in the Angels’ Dictionary, and by Ruck and Hofmann and Wasson).

The subject of entheogens is a murky and obscure, supersitious underworld within academia, as seen by this book’s omitting ‘entheogens’ from the Index.

Hanegraaff is coerced into using Latin to hide his asserting of the entheogen hypothesis.

He is driven to scholarly heights of divine madness, and inventing denial while asserting (ie asserting “non-drug entheogens”).

This book provides useful imagination strengthening exercises for academic historians scholars, empirical historians of esoteric religious experiencing.

This book connects readily to the Egodeath theory because Theurgy uses the model of Astral Ascent Mysticism, passing through the demon-guarded fate-guarded Heimarmene gate, which is the intense experience of no-free-will, non-control over one’s own control thought, and having the mental model reshaped to be forced to adopt reverence.

Hanegraaff writes that the highest virtue is reverence.

He misreads and underestimates the intensity of passing through the Heimarmene gate, he says he reads the negativity through a “psychology” reading, which means he thinks the referent is experiences in the ordinary state – contradicting his altered-state spirituality thesis.

Hanegraaff doesn’t manage to explain the connection between negative fear and trembling and non-control at the Heimarmene gate, and how the spirit is brought into friendship with the Source of All, which is the soure of all our personal control thoughts requiring trust without any basis for such trust.

In his project of tearing Theurgy out of the hands of the Protestant theology-based negative reading of oriental platonism, and turning Hermetic texts into “a thoroughly positive reading”, Hanegraaff overshoots, overcorrects: he removes Dionysus, divine mania, fear, awe, and tremendum, replacing deisidaimonia (fear of the divine), by tamed, denatured, neutered, impotent, non-drug entheogens that fail to produce peak psilocybin experiencing.

Hanegraaff is not powerful enough to move academia out of its dark prejudice superstitious murky underworld of forbidding discussion of the method that works; he is reduced to the role of New Age exercise leader, “Imagine with me, historicans: “non-drug entehgoens”, aka “the traditional methods of the mystics” and theurgists.

Cowed and coerced, the situation is ridiculous and embarrassing dance, a superstitious avoidance and whitewashing, using historical imagination to confabulate “Other Methods” than entheogens.

The present book favorably cites Erik Davis’ book High Weirdness.

In the present book, Hanegraaff agrees with Davis’ call for something between crude materialist or social scientism reductionism, and vague abstact idealist mystical haze.

At the climax of Erik Davis’ book Led Zeppelin IV, he discusses astral ascent mysticism (page 118) and then page 122, Davis discusses the Stairway to Heaven, heroic doses’ experience of absolute determinism, illusion of autonomous personal control agency, the divine will controlling the block universe, spends a page discussing the peak intense altered-state experiencing of block-universe Eternalism, pre-existing control thoughts,

How close does this book move from benighted academia to the Egodeath theory?

The Egodeath theory asserts that authentic esotericism is entheogenic such as the gold standard of measure, maximum psilocybin effects.

No vague alleged “other method” can readily produce maximum psilocybin effects; they can only merely supplement as activities to do within the entheogen-induced state.

https://www.academia.edu/3461770/Entheogenic_Esotericism_2012_

Sensory deprivation cannot produce the peak altered state experiential intensity like two bowls of cubensis like shown in the Paris Eadwine Canterbury Psalter page f134.

In his three-times cited “Entheogenic Esotericism” article, Hanegraaff wrote that he regrets failing to take censorship under Prohibition into account and uncritically believing the claim that the inspiration for New Age isn’t psychedelics, but is Other Methods such as Stan Grof’s hyperventilation cover-story that was fabricated under coercion.

Yet Hanegraaff falls for the exact same cover-story when it comes to identifying an effective engine of inspiration for ancient Theurgy’s divine madness control-seizure intense experiencing of heimarmene fate and demon exorcism at the fate-ruled Heimarmene gate.

This book cites Hanegraaff’s 2012 article Entheogenic Esotericism, in the book Contemporary Esotericism [http://amzn.com/dp/1138856118/].

In that article which the present book cites 3 times, Hanegraaff asks if anyone used the phrase “Entheogenic Esotericism” before him.

I’ve been asserting that authentic esotericism is entheogen-based since the start of the Egodeath Yahoo Group (email & webpage postings) in June 2001.

To answer the author’s question, my first posting to the world-wide web with “Entheogenic Esotericism” in the title was on June 12, 2004: “Authentic esotericism is entheogenic esotericism”.

Authentic esotericism is entheogenic esotericism.

Entheogens are the key to esotericism.

This is the simplest possible theory of esotericism, and the most natural, the least contrived and strained.

Theories of esotericism that are not based on entheogens suffer from the problem of grandiose verbiage, unmet promises and claims, chronic vagueness, excuses for lack of potent and prompt efficacy, and no ability to deliver the experiences which are talked about.

Drug-free esotericism doesn’t work; it is not effectively ergonomic.

Fearful Scholars Avoiding Deisidaimonia by Imagining Non-Drug Entheogens

Exoteric Esotericism through Non-Drug Entheogens

How High Your Imagination of Non-Drug Entheogens?

Other Methods; the Traditional Methods of the New Agers like, you know, hyperventilation while doing zen meditation in a cave

visualization imagination buiding techniques for ac scholars

I wrote “entheogenic esotericism”, assertively and pointedly, 8 years before Hanegraaff’s 2012 article.

Earliest use of “entheogenic esotericism”:

Egodeath Yahoo Group – Digest 66 (2004-06-04)

June 12, 2004

Subject: Authentic esotericism is entheogenic esotericism

“Authentic esotericism is entheogenic esotericism. Entheogens are the key to esotericism. This is the simplest possible theory of esotericism, and the most natural, the least contrived and strained. Theories of esotericism that are not based on entheogens suffer from the problem of grandiose verbiage, unmet promises and claims, chronic vagueness, excuses for lack of potent and prompt efficacy, and no ability to deliver the experiences which are talked about. Drug-free esotericism doesn’t work; it is not effectively ergonomic.”

Earliest use of “entheogenic esoteric”:

August 12, 2001 message 117

Subject: State Christ’y needed historical mystery-savior

“Per Dan Merkur, I think the Jews had entheogenic esoteric practices”

Earliest vehement explicit assert and equating of “esotericism is entheogenic”: start of Egodeath Yahoo Group, June 2001.

Hanegraaff’s fabricated unrealistic imaginings of hazy “other methods”, non-drug entheogens, are brought by scholar coerced: sensory deprivation without entheogens doesn’t produce divine madness, the peak intense mystic altered state of frenzy and fear of God and cybernetic ego death self-transgression of personal control power.

Despite its advances, this book still amounts to exoteric esotericism.

Hanegraaff’s imagination brings us exoteric exotericism through non-drug entheogens.

This book approaches the Heimarmene no-free-will gate (at Saturn and the fixed stars) and imagines an easy friendly relationship with the Source of All Thoughts.

This book remains on the wrong side of the serpent-monster guarded gate, alienated from the block universe worldline vision and the fearsome uncontrollable higher controller.

Hanegraaff misidentifies ord-state as referent of relig myth. a psychological ie the ordinary state of consciousness reading interp of fear , dread, noncontrol at Heimarmene no-free-will ctrl-loss gate.

Meet me at the other side of the no-free-will Heimarmene gate: this book often returns to the topic of Astral Ascent Mysticism.

This book approves and cites Erik Davis. Davis’ Led Zeppelin IV book’s climax, about Stairway to Heaven, discusses the Egodeath theory: eternalism no-free-will peak experience like Heimarmene gate.

Hanegraaff expresses uncertainty of Saturn gate vs fixed stars as the gate – mental model transformation gate re no-free-will & learning how to be Reverent fear respect for the Source of All Control Thoughts.

Davis’ Led Zeppelin IV book mis-calls the sphere of the fixed stars the Empyrean. But the sphere of the fixed stars is the realm of fate/Heimarmene (the non-control gate where Saturnus or Time sacrifices the youthful thinking). The level above no-free-will and eternalism and Heimarmene is where God and the elect reside, the empyrean.

Hanegraaff got suckered by the New Age cover story, fool Hanegraaff twice now he’s heading down the same path.

The inspiration for the New Age movement supposedly wasn’t psychedelics, and the inspiration for theurgy supposedly wasn’t entheogens, but was “Other Techniques” such as imagination techniques, sensory deprivation, that produce divine madness, fear of god, and forces the mind to put reverent trust in the Source of all personal control thoughts.

Jonathan Ott: The Angels’ Dictionary (http://amzn.com/dp/0961423471)

The Paris Eadwine Anglo-Catalan Utrecht Canterbury Great Mushroom Psalter

THE GREAT CANTERBURY PSALTER | XL Luxury Art Book: Silk, Hardcover, Dust-jacket, Full Colour | 294 pages | 15×13 in | 8 Lbs | Medieval Illuminated Manuscripts

http://amzn.com/dp/8496400085

photos show horses mushroom tree.

Contemporary Esotericism book – article Entheogenic Esotericism – [ ] ConEso bk EnthEm imaginauion construction projected , non-drg entheogens which hides Latin trying to sneak past censors and laughers making fun of his antonym redefn revealing superstitious trembling fear scholars have dark murk magic-thinking superstitious underworld of entheogen theory.

– [ ] animation of statues wall street shuffle melt readily proved by psilocybin but no other method causes statues, mountains move before my eues, waves roll by so fast, save my shipo f freedom, im lashed helpless to the mast”

– [ ] chaalenge to Hane Davis: name one “other method” be specific, that is demod to produce divine nmania ctrl seizure panic driving mental model transformation around no-free-will nonctrl

– [ ] summize 10 ch’s.

– [ ] thoroughly positive interp of hermetic texts incl terror fear dread gate forced to Reverence the Source. nothing of dion neutered dionysus, removes neg attitude (and Dion along w it).

Amazon review for Egodeath Community not for Amazon Hanegraaff

Book Review: “The Traditional Methods of the Theurgists”

5 stars

Summ: why you should read this book.

If length permis, place my various points within Ch 1-10. I do think that is best structure to help balance wordcount.

i reviewed his dic gnos, crit’d it. link to amaz rvw. quote my criticism needle in haystack (or no needle at all); fails to be , fails the relevance test for tripper in seizure peak window; irrelevant wheelbarrows of sawdust lacking central focus emphasis where due:

This book identifies religious mythology as serving to describe by analogy the cognitive phenomonmenology the ultimate (final) or peak-state (highest) referent as analogical psychedelic eternalism with dependent control to restore control stability, explaining Fear of God & Michael A William’s book The Theme of Stability stable column base thru nonbranching.

The Immovable Race: Gnostic Designation and the Theme of Stability in Late Antiquity

Michael A. Williams

http://amzn.com/dp/9004075976

Nag Hammadi Studies, No. 29

in 1995, i inquired for Newage W Esotericism bk, bkseller said i should write it, glad Hane wrote it – but he regretted not taking Prohibn censorship into account [quote his “entheogenic esotericism” chapter 19] link to Contemporary Esotericism bk

i was first to write posting titled “entheogenic esotericism” 8 yrs [quote/ findable] [quote ch 19 of Contemporary Esotericism where Hanegraaff says he looked for anyone previously using that title]

non-drug psychedelics: in Chapter 19 of the book Contemporary Esotericism, Hanegraaff proposes the worst idea from any academic ever: non-drug entheogens; “entheogens in the wide sense”. Why this idea is beyond the pale, theft, insult, an outrageous insult to entheogen scholarship/ & to entheogens. stealing credit from entheogens to falsely elevate methods that are not ergonomic & direct & that actually just serve to avoid the alt state.

the canard “the tradl methods of mysts” – in Enth Esotericism chapter 19, his self-contradictory Footnote 3 (vs his usual body text canard) citing Luck: the “tradl methods of the theurgists” may be entheogens.

major advance away from fossilized irrel unprofitable way off base bunk options: bunk ill-formed religionism vs bunk crude materialist scientism , he explains to academics much of their false options, he calls for input from entirely different fields approaches/ framings, he suggests “even Cog Science”, cites benny shanon who uses a Cog Pheny approach, an approach that’s much more developed by the Egodeath theory.

the Egodeath theory draws from acedemic historians work to support this Theory by explaining themes such as Fear of God, Fate, No-free-will wxperience, rebirth, ego death inthe intense mystic altered state as from psil scop (acacia/ rue ) dmt per Shanon.

my Loose Cognitive Science approach insists on superior relevance of domain-appropriate scientific explanatory models and especially a well designed effective relevant lexicon set of concepts system for superior explanatory power per Thagard link book. Conceptual Revolutions. confirmation by Marvin Minsky no-free-will book and Rudy Ricker 4D spirituality mystm book.

Erik Davis Led Zeppelin IV page on the Egodeath theory at climax StH song, altered state Rock is the auth mysty reln of late modern but as Gane Hane critd Chris topher his periodization has massive gaps in conrtemporary esotericism

I’ve been studying Hanegraaff’s books and articles for decades, since his 1996 book on New Age.

/ end of long bk rvw section to delete

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 196 Raw – Ep196 Academics Maximum Freakout Test (July 28, 2022)

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55:37

“Ep196R Academics Maximum Freakout Test.mp3”

EXPERIMENT: Raw/rough takes: I took my recordings, placed end to end, removed silence, ship it. Expect a few clicks, doubt there’s any inappropriate sounds/content. A few long silences that should be removed with clicks in them.

Errata:
  • Raw takes, may include gaps with clicks. could include mic checks, doubt.
  • Begins with Outro for last show.
  • recorded guitar but didn’t include, it’s in Outakes project.
Content:

key words defining my Phase 1 vs 2.

Phase 1 Core theory: loose cog, mental construct processing, block universe worldlines, non-control, cybernetics.

Phase 2 Mytheme theory: the Entheogen Mytheme theory.

read comments on my posting Non-Drug Psychedelics. Challenged academics: what “other method” produces maximum freakout? None, you are EXPOSED as inauthentic fabricators of fake “history”. “the historical imagination” = Hane’s “non-drug entheogens” egged on by Erik Davis:

HEY MR DAVIS I HAVE A CHALLENGE PERFECT 4 U

Miking e-v 635A eq 0 0 -10.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 195 – Academic Avoidance Dance (July 27, 2022)

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4:20:00 total

“Ep195a Academic Avoidance Dance.mp3”

2:15:11

98 MB

Content

comments about limitations of Hanegraaff book, academic censorship idiocy

reading Cyberdisciple post summary of Ustinova Caves book

https://www.google.com/search?q=deisidaimonia – extreme fear of God

Errata
  • Missing gap at 30:00 before guitar

“Ep195b Academic Avoidance Dance.mp3”

2:05:41

92 MB

Content

Reading/commenting about postings by Cyberdisciple:

Miking

🤖🎙 Electro-Voice 635A, eq: 0 0 -10, no bass cut. Distance: seated, middle of room, 16″-24″.

210 kbps mono

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 194 – Sanitized Divine Madness (July 25, 2022)

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Content

finished reading new Hanegraaff book – its contributions & limitations

Ep194a Sanitized Divine Madness.mp3

1:18:13

56 MB

Ep194b Sanitized Divine Madness.mp3

1:34:46

67 MB

Miking

🤖🎙 Electro-Voice 635A, eq: 0 0 -10, no bass cut. Distance: 16″, 24″, 6′. THE BASS CUT IS A LIE in the recycled intro fx in part a.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 193 – Hermetic Heimarmene Gate (July 24, 2022)

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34 MB

47:47

Miking: 635A, 0 0 -10, no bass cut.

bk rvw title:
Exoteric Esotericism Through Non-Drug Entheogens

Errata
  • damn, hate unfinished statements.
    • ~13:00 – full book title containing an article by Mahe about “Mental Faculties and Cosmic Levels in The Eighth and the Ninth (NH VI,6) and Related Hermetic Writings”
      • [spheres; heimarmene no-free-will gate re reconciling w/ fact of perceiving preexisting control thoughts in loose cog state]:
      • … in the book by Soren Giversen,
        • The Nag Hammadi Texts in the History of Religions: Proceedings of the International Conference at the Royal Academy of Sciences and Letters in Copenhagen, September 19-24, 1995. Published 2002.
      • This new, central Hermetic text on 8th & 9th was discovered/announced in 1948/1949 by Jean Doresse. I call this Astral Ascent Mysticism.

Meta review of new Hanegraaff book: requirements.

https://www.academia.edu/3461770/Entheogenic_Esotericism_2012_

A 2nd vid of Hanegraaff reading his book draft is also avail at my pages: this vid:

Reading from book. She announces forthcoming book at 5:20. https://youtu.be/v_MDa5jC20U

Heading

repost of comment thread my comment in Non-Drug Psychedelics posting:

Cyberdisciple, in https://www.academia.edu/3461770/Entheogenic_Esotericism_2012_ find “broaden”, “narrow”, “wide”.

To ingratiate himself to the establishment, Hanegraaff is robbing credit from entheogens to falsely elevate non-drug meditation up to the efficacy / ergonomics level of psilocybin, and then, higher, to restore the status quo:

Per the status quo, the legitimacy of psilocybin (and equivalent exogenous psychoactives) is to be measured against non-drug meditation and ever-beyond-our-comprehension alien psychology and unspecified methods – so that the known efficacious trigger can be diminished, while elevating unspecified, incomprehensible, undefined “other methods we don’t understand” up to falsely be elevated as the standard by which fake chemical simulations can be measured (to diminish, dismiss, explain-away, and de-legitimate them).

People want to protect incomprehension and elevate the indeterminate over the concrete explanation. Based on ergonomic efficacy, psilocybin is the standard by which non-drug meditation and vague unspecified (by design) “other methods” ought to be measured.

Meditation is given vastly undue credit; extremely overrated and over-respected. Using meditation as the measure is unwarranted, and is an avoidance strategy to avoid Transcendent Knowledge.

Note that there’s more to say on both sides; it’s fair to differentiate the mind’s potential vs. chemical receptors vs. triggers*, as my 1997 theory outline does; I too listed various methods, with psychedelics as one item in a list.

*eg non-drug meditation in a sensory-deprivation floatation tank, in a temple, in a cave, after 30 years of meditation practice – totally ergonomic, works great!

Since his new book doesn’t list ‘Entheogens’ in the index(!), I’m doing full-text search in the book: 5 6 98 110 228 385.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 192 – Non-Drug Psychedelics (July 18-23, 2022)

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My companion postings/pages:

Contents
Paris Eadwine Canterbury Utrecht Great Mushroom Psalter

🤖🎙 Electro-Voice 635A, eq: 0 0 -10, bass cut 80 Hz. Distance: usually about 16″. MXL R40 planned after read.

https://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Handbook-Western-Mysticism-Esotericism/dp/0521734916 –

“Mysticism and esotericism are two intimately related strands of the Western tradition.

Despite their close connections, however, scholars tend to treat them separately.

Whereas the study of Western mysticism enjoys a long and established history, Western esotericism is a young field.

The Cambridge Handbook of Western Mysticism and Esotericism examines both of these traditions together.

The volume demonstrates that the roots of esotericism almost always lead back to mystical traditions, while the work of mystics was bound up with esoteric or occult preoccupations.

It also shows why mysticism and esotericism must be examined together if either is to be understood fully.

[Hellenistic & Christian entheogens/ reflections of Transcendent Knowledge, must be decoded together -cm]

Including contributions by leading scholars, this volume features essays on such topics as alchemy, astrology, magic, Neoplatonism, Kabbalism, Renaissance Hermetism, Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, numerology, Christian theosophy, spiritualism, and much more.

This Handbook serves as both a capstone of contemporary scholarship and a cornerstone of future research.”

Ep192a Non-Drug Psychedelics.mp3

95 MB 2hours

Ep192b Non-Drug Psychedelics.mp3

2 hours

Entheogenic Esotericism

https://www.academia.edu/1170513/Altered_States_of_Knowledge_The_Attainment_of_Gnosis_in_the_Hermetica_2008_

sent note to Wouter Hanegraaff:

Conjecture: page 6 of your 2022 book calls this article (Altered States of Knowledge) immature because it lacks any mention of visionary plants.

I posted a post titled “Entheogenic Esotericism” to the world-wide web in 2004 (I found near-hits in archive.org, I could possibly find other posts there with that phrase in the Subject line):

https://egodeathyahoogroup.wordpress.com/2021/01/09/egodeath-yahoo-group-digest-66/#message3335 –

June 12, 2004

Subject: Authentic esotericism is entheogenic esotericism

Authentic esotericism is entheogenic esotericism. Entheogens are the key to
esotericism. This is the simplest possible theory of esotericism, and the
most natural, the least contrived and strained. Theories of esotericism that
are not based on entheogens suffer from the problem of grandiose verbiage,
unmet promises and claims, chronic vagueness, excuses for lack of potent and
prompt efficacy, and no ability to deliver the experiences which are talked
about. Drug-free esotericism doesn’t work; it is not effectively ergonomic.

— Michael Hoffman

Heading

It was Wouter Hanegraaff’s idea to have this topic for 2019 conference:

https://www.esswe.org/event-2918786 –

Western Esotericism and Consciousness:
Visions, Voices, Altered States

ESSWE7

7th Biannual Conference of the European Society
for the Study of Western Esotericism (ESSWE)

University of Amsterdam, 2-4 July 2019

“The history of Western esotericism from antiquity to the present is filled with reports of unusual and sometimes spectacular experiences that are claimed to convey higher, deeper, or even absolute knowledge about the true nature of reality. Some typical examples are the many references to direct supra-rational gnosis, ecstatic experiences, and states of divine manía (madness or frenzy) or possession from antiquity to the present; visionary travels to other places, other worlds, or other levels of reality, as well as to past or future periods and events; visionary encounters with intermediary beings (for instance angels, demons, spirits, elementals, ascended masters, divinities); the hearing of inner voices, receiving or “channeling” of spiritual messages, and communication with disembodied entities; and ineffable experiences (for instance apophatic unity) that are difficult or impossible to express through normal discursive language. Common to all such reports is that they fall within the general phenomenology of human consciousness and seem to require some kind of modification or alteration of the normal or average mental states that allow us to negotiate consensus reality. All this makes the experiential dimension of Western esotericism (in both its historical and its contemporary social manifestations) extremely relevant to academic disciplines such as cognitive studies, consciousness research, psychology, or psychiatry. ESSWE7 will be the first major international conference to bring these perspectives in conversation with one another in the context of the study of Western esotericism.

“On the level of the humanities and the social sciences, we hope that the conference will provide participants with an ideal opportunity for learning about the phenomenology of unusual experiences across the entire historical spectrum of Western esotericism from antiquity to the present. Here the emphasis will be on empirical research and specialist knowledge about specific historical and contemporary cases. Furthermore, on the level of the study of consciousness, we hope to explore larger and more theoretical questions concerning such topics as the taxonomy and etiology of altered states, their neurobiological foundations, or their relevance to wider concerns such as cognitive functioning or mental health. Here the emphasis will be on how such approaches may help us understand and even explain the rich record of historical and empirical materials central to Western esotericism and, conversely, how these can serve as case studies for the study of consciousness more in general.

ESSWE7 will also be an occasion to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the Center for History of Hermetic Philosophy and Related Currents (HHP) at the University of Amsterdam.

Keynote lectures

  • Prof. Yulia “Anything But Drugs” Ustinova (Ben Gurion University of the Negev, Israel)
  • Prof. Karl Baier (University of Vienna, Austria)
  • Prof. Sonu Shamdasani (University College London, United Kingdom)

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 191 – Loose Cognitive Science (July 17, 2022)

Download for 1 week starting July 17, 2022: v2: https://we.tl/t-KarjKpIHCN

https://we.tl/t-4Rl1Lsbm95 – damnit muted intro to part a.

6.5 hours of content

282 MB total

6 .mp3 files (parts a-f)

No-frills production.

Several Hanegraaff articles, Protestant 1600 vs Catholic 1500 vs the Enlightenment 1700 – who/when/why threw Psilocybin esotericism in the trashcan?

I identify as a science/engineering leader, the creator of the field of Loose Cognitive Science – per Hanegraaff saying there needs to be room for new approaches to field of Religion studies, including altered states of consciousness & cognitive science.

The anti-science, anti-rationality values of the religionist scholarship approach to history of western esotericism.

Hanegraaff’s radical empiricist, pro-secularist Reason approach; scientific historiography approach.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 190 – Engulliblegenic Substances (July 16, 2022)

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[v3; mp3 A (1:15:07); has correct timing after Miking fx and at end]

https://we.tl/t-PLUg5T9GwY
[v2; mp3 A (1:15:13); has correct timing at end]

https://we.tl/t-299jSVOV9M [v1; mp3 A (1:15:10) lacks gap at end]

~2.5 hours total, 3 mp3 files (190a, b, & c)

Content
  • Part A: Irvin article on naming psychedelics (cognitive looseners); Irvin’s concept of “suggestogens” says more about Irvin’s angle of research than the character of the cognitive mechanism of operation of psychedelics.
  • Part B: Hanegraaff 6-page article advocating religious freedom for Santo Daime church.
  • Part C: Myth book readings.
Miking

🤖🎙 Electro-Voice 635A, eq: 0 0 -10, bass cut 80 Hz. Distance: variable, quiet room.

Errata

https://we.tl/t-299jSVOV9M [v1; mp3 A (1:15:10) lacks a needed gap at end] Errata: in this v1, the end of part a is so close to perfect, but failed to add gap between final words and Outro, so I am re-exporting the mp3 adding a gap there.

“Ep190a Engulliblegenic Substances.mp3”

Part A: Irvin article on naming psychedelics (cognitive looseners); Irvin’s concept of “suggestogens” says more about Irvin’s angle of research than the character of the cognitive mechanism of operation of psychedelics.

1:15:13

54 MB

  • 0:00 – Intro.
  • Entheogens: What’s in a Name?
  • 1:15:13 – End.

Entheogens: What’s in a Name? The Untold History of Psychedelic Spirituality and Social Control
Jan Irvin
Nov. 11, 2014
https://logosmedia.com/entheogens_whatsinaname_psychedelicspirituality_socialcontrol_cia

Find on page the words:

  • ‘hallucinogen’
  • ‘psycholytic’
  • ‘psychomimetic’ (0 hits on bunk & phony John Lash’s bunk & phony fake word and its fake etymology, “imitates the mind” [dumb/nonsensical idea]),
  • ‘psychotomimetic’
  • ‘suggestogens’ aka “engulliblegenic substances”

I reject Irvin’s claim that what the bad guys called the thing makes any real difference.

People exaggerate “set and setting”/ framing / marketing propag’a.

The plants will have the effects they have, which will be a mix of psychotomimetic/entheogenic; people know that.

Irvin claims that ppl have a 1-dimensional view on entheogens due to baddies’ PR – but that isn’t true; no one has a 1-dimensional view of the nature/effects of psychedelics; quite the opposite.

Everyone knows that demons & angels lurk – so who cares whether idiot baddies try to spin psychedelics negatively or positively?

Yes, we value social history of malice, but, that’s not the same thing as characterizing how psychedelics affect cognitive processing.

Irvin conflates the realm of application of psychedelics as a tool, vs. the cognitive effects of psychedelics.

“Suggestogen”? The bad guys wish – but psychedelics proved to be a failure at deployment as a weponized suggestogen; psychedelics proved NOT to be a suggestogen.

As a characterization of the cognitive effects, Irvin’s characterization is a failure.

Irvin’s findings might be valuable for social history reconstruction, but not very useful for characterizing cognitive effects of psychedelics, which – contradicting Irvin – proved to be lousy, ineffective suggestogens.

“Ep190b Engulliblegenic Substances.mp3”

Part B: Hanegraaff 6-page article advocating religious freedom for Santo Daime church.

1:09:06

50 MB

  • 0:00 – x
  • 1:09:06 – End.
  • Wouter Hanegraaff 6-page, 2020 article:
    The Santo Daime Church in the Netherlands: Why the ECHR Should Consider the Case https://www.academia.edu/43614450/The_Santo_Daime_Church_in_the_Netherlands_Why_the_ECHR_Should_Consider_the_Case_2020_
  • About CESNUR; reading & commentary about page https://cesnur.net/about/ – CESNUR, the Center for Studies on New Religions, and their journal.
  • Irvin’s malformed concept of “suggestogens”, con’t from part A:
    PSYCHEDELICS ARE POOR, INEFFECTIVE SUGGESTOGENS.
    • File under “You guys have a big problem”, for Irvin.
    • Irvin says that the real nature of psychedelics is that they are suggestogens – but that’s false; psychedelics turned out to be very poor suggestogens. People tried to use them as such, but were unsuccessful.
    • Psychedelics were a disappointment, a failure, for the bad guys in their quest to find a suggestogen – this is mainstream official psychedelic history!
    • One thing we know about the cognitive effect of psychedelics is that psychedelics are NOT effective suggestogens.
    • Every book and every article emphasizes, and everyone knows this, that psychedelics are both psychotomimetic and entheogenic.
    • POPULAR ROCK LYRICS EVEN JOKE ABOUT THIS DUAL NATURE!
      • “Why are you frightened; I am enlightened.”
      • “Help!”
      • “Ride the [electric chair] Lightning”/ “Face the Music”, etc etc.
      • Ozzy Osbourne, shouted to a zillion people on a live album: “Are we all crazy yet?!“
    • Irvin kind of insults the pop mind.
    • Everyone knows perfectly well that psychedelics are a mixed bag, does this come as a surprise to everyone?
    • It’s ultra-obvious that psychedelics are a mixed bag, couldn’t be more manifestly self-evident.
    • Irvin’s cry of alarm, 1-dimensional, is overblown in this way. “Crying wolf”, a bit of a misplaced alarm.
    • The chemicals themselves inform the user very clearly that they are a mixed bag.

https://www.academia.edu/43614450/The_Santo_Daime_Church_in_the_Netherlands_Why_the_ECHR_Should_Consider_the_Case_2020_

Reading & commentary about page https://cesnur.net/about/ – CESNUR, the Center for Studies on New Religions, and their journal

“Ep190c Engulliblegenic Substances.mp3”

Part C: Myth book readings.

44:26

  • 0:00 – Intro.
  • Readings from Greek Myths & Legends
  • 44:26 – End.

Readings from 2019 book Greek Myths & Legends, by Martin Dougherty https://www.amazon.com/Greek-Myths-Titans-Odysseus-Histories/dp/1782747508/

Hanegraaff Santo Daime Rights article

To Wouter Hanegraaff re:
The Santo Daime Church in the Netherlands: Why the ECHR Should Consider the Case
https://www.academia.edu/43614450/The_Santo_Daime_Church_in_the_Netherlands_Why_the_ECHR_Should_Consider_the_Case_2020_ –

I’m a bit of a pro-Psilocybin, anti-alternatives snob, two cheers for Ayahuasca, but I do need to keep up to date on popular alternatives making inroads to recover the entheogenic basis of religion, including mainstreaming of what I consider to be lesser, less-focused entheogens with excess side-effects.

This article’s topic is undeniably appropriate to cover in my podcast, the Egodeath Mystery Show, similar to articles on “psychedelic chaplaincy”.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 189 – Wimpy Psychedelic Science (July 14, 2022)

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2:44:27

No frills minimal production, removed gaps and tweaked 1 sound. 1 result: quiet volume. Kept fans on, window open – noisy?

122 MB

Content

My recent posts (including links):

Miking

Electro-Voice 635A, eq: 0 0 -10, bass cut: 80 Hz.

When/Why/Who Discarded Psilocybin Esotericism

the extreme totalness of losing Transcendent Knowledge sometime around 1500-1700(?). 

Lead 1: I spoke recently about a 3-way battle where low-grade “religion” vs low-grade “science” both wanted to eliminate “esotericism” per Wouter Hanegraaff book (& articles) on Western Esotericism: a lead: find out when & why low Religion & low Science threw Esotericism in the trash can, that’s the same “when”/”who”/”why” as discarding Dionysus.  

Lead 2: Conclusions section of Brown 2019 article:
https://www.academia.edu/40312824/Entheogens_in_Christian_art_Wasson_Allegro_and_the_Psychedelic_Gospels – “based on the presence of these images in the high holy places of Christianity, these p. traditions were not suppressed by the Church, but were rather maintained for the secret instruction of initiates and possibly for the education of the illiterate masses; and (c) by proposing a p. gospels theory,which hypothesizes that these images represent an alternative history of Christianity, suggesting that early and medieval Christians experienced healing, divinity, and immortality by ingesting sacred p. sacraments.”

Erik Davis

https://www.burningshore.com
Consciousness Culture from a California perspective
By Erik Davis

Pause

https://www.burningshore.com/p/pause?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

2 days ago Erik Davis’ email list, Erik sent a “Pause” notice email.

“writing blocks and motivation and production anxieties … I have already kvetched thusly in earlier posts.

“But you know things are getting bad when you get an email from Substack letting you know that you have a bunch of new subscribers and you haven’t done jacksh*t for a couple months and you might want to get off your lazy ass. They don’t actually say “jacksh*t” or “lazy ass” but the message is pretty clear.

… For all the new folks bedazzled by my recent LSD essay and wanting more, … Burning Shore is only sorta topical, so you might actually enjoy poking around the archive. I promise that there are some vibrant perennials in there …

[maybe Apr 27 2022:

The Elephant LSD: Thoughts on a Euro-American Ally
https://www.burningshore.com/p/the-elephant-lsd?utm_source=%2Fprofile%2F3293144-erik-davis&utm_medium=reader2 – “the Chacruna Institute’s Religion and Psychedelics Forum” https://chacruna.net/religion-and-psychedelics-forum/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu1KRU6oAPY – “Chacruna’s Religion & Psychedelics Forum – Opening Event” “21st of April of 2022 in San Francisco, followed by 3 days of online panels. This evening, with Bia Labate, Clancy Cavnar, Mellody Hayes, Marlena Robbins, Erik Davis, Joe Tafur, Sean McAllister, Michael Ziegler, and Adam Strauss set the stage for a conference that would bring together the world’s foremost leading thinkers, visionaries, and scholars at the intersection of religion and psychedelics. To share these important discussions at a historical juncture in the psychedelic renaissance, we are offering the recording of this opening event for free. To watch the entire 3 days of the online conference, consisting of 20 unique panels” “the most cutting-edge psychedelic reform organization“(5:10 into video) ]

Elephant post: “psychedelics and religion is fresh and resonant right now, partly because the topic sidesteps the medicalizing and commercial rhetoric that has made the psychedelic scene both boring and aggravating. Obviously religion can be a huge problem, and future conversations will no doubt have plenty of challenges to wrestle with. But with psychedelic chaplaincy just starting to bloom, we are in a sweet spot, at once calming and intoxicating. The Forum reminded me just how wild, enchanted, and disruptive the psychedelic waters become when neuropsychology can open to phenomenology and mystery. Plus it was just wonderfully weird hearing mainline liberal Christians from the American South lovingly describing their trips.”

Davis 47:13 “Religion is the elephant in the Psychedelic Renaissance room.“

“… burnout alluded to in recent posts … following the completion of the LSD blotter book, which I am nonetheless pretty tickled with. So though I have cool ideas for new pieces … Something is off in the engine room of motivation.

[related: https://www.burningshore.com/i/44696839/writing – “Mark [McCloud, blotter art curator] is generous with his stories and images, and a lot of his collection is already visible online. But a few years ago it hit me: nobody had ever collected these images in a book, nor had anyone conjured up an illustrated history of blotter, a history that would both organize McCloud’s sometimes squirrelly tales and also reflect on the stuff as a unique form of art, media, and black market commercial design—a genre that transforms radically with the rise of the vanity blotter around the year 2000. So we are doing that book, which will feature copious full-color illustrations, as well as a few dozen annotations by artists, freaks, and writers like Alex Grey, Grant Morrison, Annie Oak, and Carlo McCormick. New Year’s [Jan 1, 2022] is my draft deadline, and the book will be published, sooner or later, by MIT Press.” https://mitpress.mit.edu/search?keywords=blotter ]

So I have … put Burning Shore on pause … I will be traveling in merry old England for a number of weeks. (I will delivering the keynote at the Trans States para-conference.) … at Burning Shore we now post everything for free …

Long time Erik Davis followers will remember the last time I hit a summer pause. Three years ago, after a decade of nearly weekly work, I took a hiatus from the Expanding Mind podcast. To the disappointment of more than a few, I have yet to take it up again. I still toy with the idea of returning to podcasting, which I really enjoyed, but I toy with a lot of ideas, and that is part of the problem.

“For now I just need a break, and to focus my lagging energies on other dimensions of body and soul. After a few months I will have a better sense of where I am at, and will make a more definite call accordingly. I hope you are still here to hear about it.” Erik Davis, July 11, 2022

His book has a page about the Egodeath theory – https://www.amazon.com/Led-Zeppelins-Zeppelin-IV-33/dp/0826416586 – I stupidly don’t have it bc i stopped acquiring more books

John Lash

John Lash has some enthusiastic, even Maximal, but really distorted and eccentric ideas about plants.  He bizarrely uses the deviant word-form “psychomimetic” and claims that means “mind imitating” (why? jibberish resulting from false etymology).  Quirky treatment.  

Sacred … plants … able to produce psychomimetic effects.

plants that enhance neurochemical processes in the brain–hence they are psychomimetic, “mind-imitating.”

John Lash, Not in His Image, 2nd Edition, p. 220, 377 – he writes like he’s crazy

😊

https://www.google.com/search?q=define+psychomimetic –> redirects to the real word, psychotomimetic, which means “mimics psychosis”.

😱

Hey Irvin, you need to update your lagging article, “Entheogens: What’s in a Name?”, you missed one.

“plants that enhance neurochemical processes in the brain–hence they are psychomimetic, “mind-imitating.””
“Sacred … plants … able to produce psychomimetic effects.”

Lash provides a welcome positive, enthusiastic proselytizing view on the Mysteries, but one of my crew pointed out in 2007 book review of his 1st Edition: his book is silent on Mithraism, which doesn’t fit Lash’s narrative.  

Guess we’re stuck with nothing but Eleusis til the end of time.  Lash perceptively notes the extreme overemphasis on the red & white plant explanation for all mysteries – Lash is the one who researched & discovered the Psalter that has the good pictures, which I cataloged:

The 75 Mushroom Trees of the Canterbury Psalter

James Omeara’s review of John Lash book Not In His Name

James J. Omeara review –  July 8, 2007 – of John Lash book 1st edition – Good point from Omeara 15 years ago: Mithras wrecks Lash’s narrative, so Lash stays silent about Mithraism.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1G55XGW0BZ5EL/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=164502136X – a portion is below:

“… Lash avoids all discussion or mention (although I’m going by his unreliable index here, see below) of the mysteries of Mithras, even though this was an official religion of the Empire (before Christianity), gave Christianity a run for its money, and last left us the most extensive records of all the mystery religions (such as the famous Mithraic Liturgy, available in the Mead anthology Lash constantly refers to). Could this omission be due to the fact that the Mithras cult does not fit into his simple patriarchal Christianity vs. Goddess/Gaian mystery paradigm?”

[2nd Edition: full-text search: no hits on “Mithras” or “Mithraism”, confirming Omeara -cm]

“here is where I throw the book aside onto the `read when bored and nothing else is around` pile. The section … “Entheogenic Theory of Religion” and states “There are hundreds of text-heavy sites and heady forums dedicated to entheogenics on the Internet, but, unfortunately … they are all orientated toward recreational use of drugs and sacred plants, rather than sacramental use.”

All? All? Now in elementary logic, I learned I could refute an `all’ statement by finding one counterexample. Again, is it some obscure site? Well, how obscure is something on the Internet going to be? Get on the Google, as our president would say, and 9 hits come up for “entheogenic theory of religion” (the title of his section, remember), two of which lead to Michael Hoffman’s Ego Death website, where his epochal article “Entheogenic Theory of Religion and Ego Death” can be found, along with hundreds of pages of articles and links to similar material. And needless to say, all the really new and useful books are unmentioned as well. Clark Heinrich, anyone?”

4 years after Omeara’s July 8 2007 post, Ruck and Celdran and M. Hoffman [the evil one] wrote https://www.amazon.com/Mushrooms-Myth-Mithras-Civilized-Europe/dp/0872864707 – Mushrooms, Myth and Mithras: The Drug Cult that Civilized Europe

Cygnus, the God of Balance (from Dougherty’s 2019 Book Greek Myths & Legends)

Rush passage in Dougherty’s Greek Myths & Legends book https://www.amazon.com/Greek-Myths-Titans-Odysseus-Histories/dp/1782747508 – has Preview pages. My cover is Hercules wrestling lion instead.

Site: Egodeath.com
Page: Rush Lyrics Alluding to Mystic Dissociative Phenomena
Section in page: Cygnus X-1, & Hemispheres
http://egodeath.com/rushlyrics.htm#xtocid22949

positive identification as Amanita by Cybermonk 2020
Photo credit: Cybermonk 10/10/2010 10:10 a.m.
Photo credit: Cybermonk 10/10/2010 10:10 a.m.

x https://www.amazon.com/Brick-Greek-Myths-Heracles-Poseidon/dp/162914522X

The Four Distinct Types of Mystic Experiencing, Systematically Classified

These scientific research findings are based on this morning’s Egodeath Mystery Show episode 184 – Revised Perennial Wisdom (July 11, 2022).

Thanks to the precursor contributions from R C Zaehner in his work and variation on the Cybermonk thesis, in the field of Cybermonk studies.

And thanks for John Lash’s variation of the Cybermonk thesis, including his extrapolations of the Cybermonk thesis, including both of their considerable departures from the Cybermonk thesis.

Their work on my theory has helped me to develop my theory in its encompassing scope that these precursors of the Cybermonk thesis have labored toward.

I acknowledge their work and their level of distinctions & differentiations between fine shades of mystic experiencing that they’ve articulated within my all-encompassing paradigm.

The not-insignificant contributions of Zaehner and Lash within the Cybermonk thesis, which is sometimes known as the entheogen theory of religion, are hereby recognized.

The Four Attempts at Correct Shade of Marshmallow Texture Organic Light

The non-drug mystic state – Apophatic marshmallow texture of white light – this is the only legit mode of mystic experiencing (citation: R C Zaehner https://www.amazon.com/Mysticism-Sacred-Profane-Praeternatural-Experience/dp/1013911237/ ). 😑

The natural plant-induced mystic state – the correct marshmallow texture of white light – this is the only legit mode of mystic experiencing that is non-training wheels (citation: Lash Codex 37.2-25 & Metahistory site guide voice tour part 2, 5:10 – https://web.archive.org/web/20111019003059/http://metahistory.org/Audio/MetahistoryTourPart2.mp3 ). 😑

Synthetic psilocybin – this provides the only truly pure marshmallow texture of Organic Light; the other methods don’t count and are pale imitations of this lone authoritative entheogen. The other methods cannot produce the correct type of experience of God, as seen by the incorrect colors of marshmallow light texture which they produce. 😑

The original batch of White Lightning synthetic ergot – this is the only legit batch, you youngsters aren’t actually using the true chemical; only my generation had the real deal (citation: online hippie generation authorities who were there). They don’t make actual ergot synthetics anymore; it’s all low-grade & impure and doesn’t count. Only our liquid’s crystals were based on the same extinct strain of ergot as was used at Eleusis in the kykeon, and so cannot be reproduced now. 😑

John Lash – Voice Recording Tour of Metahistory Website

Site Map > John Lash

Contents:

  • todo

July 9, 2022: in production[done], and more voice recording[done; success]: Egodeath Mystery Show Episode 182 – Metatour of Metahistory. will briefly be downloadable from https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/03/09/idea-development-page-13/ – 182+183 is a good episode, the pair of episodes was created on July 9, 2022 all day as 1 episode, delivered as two episodes: 182 = Lash speaking, 183 = Cybermonk speaking on various topics that are fairly well-developed by now.

The episode contains tightened smoothed excerpts from John Lash’s five 20-minute voice recordings discussing the articles at Metahistory.org, from Archive.org Wayback Machine, John Lash voice clips selected & produced by Cybermonk.

Meta History Site Map at Wayback Machine

When nav’ing through the site map “Site Guide” page for Metahistory.org at Wayback Machine.

When a link in the page doesn’t work, be ready to be nimble moving back and forward through time using wayback UI.

This is just one snapshot: 2017-08-09: https://web.archive.org/web/20170809160007/http://metahistory.org/sitemap.php
https://web.archive.org/web/20170707113723/http://metahistory.org/sitemap.php

meet us at the 1986 tour

https://www.ironmaiden.com/discography/details/somewhere-in-time Somewhere in Time altered-state album

Amazon Author Page for John Lash

https://www.amazon.com/John-Lash/e/B001HMTWY0 –

“Comparative mythologist, author and teacher John Lamb Lash is one of the foremost exponents of the power of myth to direct and shape an individual’s life, as well as history itself.

Described as the true successor of Joseph Campbell, John is a teacher of world mythology, Gnosticism, the pre-Christian Mysteries, along with many of his other expert talents.

He has traveled widely and lived in Japan, the UK, Greece, Norway, France, Spain and Belgium.
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His unpublished and in-progress works include original studies of alchemy, the Dendera Zodiac, eonic cycles in the World Ages (“parallel history”), psychonautics and entheogenic shamanism for the future.

He is the leading exponent of the new discipline of metacritique (radical analysis of belief systems). [“I believe all entheogen ideas come from Wasson and belong to him.”]
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In 1981, John founded the Institute for Creative Mythology in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

ICM offered an open forum to explore universal “directive” – psychologically active – myths and their expressions in culture and daily living.

At ICM John gave lectures and interactive seminars on a broad range of subjects, including Gnosticism, the erotic psychology of the Troubadours, Mesoamerican calendars, and Goddess rites of participation in the seasonal cycles of nature. [latest theory of myth from 1870! 👍 🎉 ]

Over several years, he developed a long course in alchemy that resulted in an extensive syllabus and study guide entitled “The Great Work: Alchemy and PsychoEcology.”
_____

For over 35 years, he has specialized in studies of sidereal mythology i.e. myths found in all cultures around the world relating to the visible patterns in the skies.

He has a unique technique of observation, combined with an original method of reading those patterns and relating them to the way we live and view the world.

He is recognized as a leading scholar on ancient astronomy, the Zodiac, and precession of the equinoxes (World Ages).
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John Lamb Lash is also co-founder and principal author of metahistory.org, a unique source of gnostic and pagan perspectives, including Planetary Tantra, a open source vision for interactive magic with Gaia.

The purpose of this site is to challenge unexamined beliefs [such as “I thought of visionary plants used in a religious context without my ideas coming from Wasson”] and foster a future myth centered on Gaia-Sophia, the living planet.
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John Lash’s published books:

The Seeker’s Handbook: The Complete Guide to Spiritual Pathfinding (Crown, 1991)

Twins and the Double (Thames & Hudson, 1993)

The Hero – Manhood and Power (Thames & Hudson, 1995)

Quest for the Zodiac (Starhenge Books, 1999)

Not in His Image: Gnostic Vision, Sacred Ecology, and the Future of Belief (Chelsea Green Publishing, November 2006)

Forthcoming: 18 September 2021 – The 15th anniversary edition of Not in His Image, revised and updated [updated except for idol worship of Wasson the Holy Mushroom: all ideas about visionary plants come from Wasson and belong to him, including considerable variations of Wasson’s ideas and departures from Wasson’s ideas, which still are the property of Wasson]”

Heading

I plan to create an mp3 containing some John Lash voice clips. 90% done

Updated Archive.org snapshot potentially: maybe change my links to 2017 not 2011:
June 6, 2017: https://web.archive.org/web/20170606044337/http://metahistory.org/sitemap.php#psychonautics
1st Eadwine link works.

this page is for my little project since lash is always doing projects: an mp3 of a few clips from john lash voice tour of his site map for metahistory.org

starting this page on desktop not mobile app editing

Lash is Pro-Psilocybin, Anti-Amanita

eg:

  • x
  • x

Lash Recommends Long History Intro in Metzner Book on Psilocybin Mushrooms

Lash recomm multi times:
https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushroom-Visions-Teonan%C3%A1catl-Sourcebook/dp/1594770441
Sacred Mushroom of Visions: Teonanácatl: A Sourcebook on the Psilocybin Mushroom
Ralph Metzner Ph.D. (Author & Editor) 2005 –

“Over 30 contributors share their expertise on the chemical, biological, cultural, psychological, and experiential dimensions of psilocybin mushrooms

• Describes in vivid detail the consciousness-expanding experiences of psychoactive mushroom users

• Provides firsthand accounts of the controversial Harvard Psilocybin Project, including the Concord Prison and Good Friday studies

Teonanácatl was the name given to the visionary mushrooms used in ancient Mesoamerican shamanic ceremonies, mushrooms that contain psilocybin, the psychoactive agent identified by Swiss chemist Albert Hofmann, the discoverer of LSD. The rediscovery of these visionary mushrooms by the Mazatec healer Maria Sabina and mycologist R. Gordon Wasson ignited a worldwide mushroom culture that inspired the consciousness revolution of the 1960s.

This book describes in vivid detail the consciousness-expanding experiences of psychoactive mushroom users–from artists to psychologists–and the healing visionary inspiration they received. It provides firsthand accounts of studies performed in the controversial Harvard Psilocybin Project, including the Concord Prison study and the Good Friday study. It describes how the use of the psilocybe mushroom spread from the mountains of Mexico into North America, Asia, and Europe by seekers of consciousness-expanding experiences. It also details how psilocybin has been used since the 1960s in psychotherapy, prisoner rehabilitation, the enhancement of creativity, and the induction of mystical experiences and is being studied as a treatment for obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD).”

Points of Note in Lash Voice Recordings Part 1-6

  • Part 1:
    • 1:04 – Metahistory.org came online in July 2002. A teaching site. orgly sponsored by a nonprofit org. but since May 2009, this site has not been funded, it is nonprofit. Home page states purpose, to invite a future myth to guide humanity, not invent a new myth. We should revamp, revise, revision, upscale old myths and change their direction.
    • My myth is: The Fallen Goddess Sophia. It is a once and future myth.
    • concepts and assumptions – a page.
    • Lash writes (exact copypaste of start of https://web.archive.org/web/20111019195903/http://www.metahistory.org/sitemap.php):
      • “defines metahistory.org as a teaching site and states its dual purpose: to critique beliefs and invite a future myth [ie that Wasson is the source of religious plants] to guide humanity. The “future myth” proposed in metahistory is not the author’s personal invention, and not a channeled scenario. It is a recovery and extrapolation of the sacred narrative of the fallen goddess Sophia [or actually that Wasson is our God and savior and gave us all of our ideas of religious plants] derived from the Pagan Mysteries of pre-Christian Europe, Egypt, and the Levant. Hence the mission statement links immediately to the story of Gaia-Sophia, a myth in progress.”
    • 8:23 webpage: “Background to Metahistory” – had to go wayback to get a non-404 page: https://web.archive.org/web/20080209020812/http://www.metahistory.org/background.php
    • 9:40 – “I personally don’t read anymore. I can’t find anything worth reading, anything that keeps my attention.”
    • 16:32 – “Joseph Campbell, my forerunner.” I suspect that Lash applies his own intellectual history, which might be 1) Read Campbell’s books, 2) Modify Campbell’s ideas ie the ideas gathered/developed by Campbell – Lash wrongly applies his own model of how he got his ideas (ie by reading books), to every person who writes on the topic of entheogen scholarship: each of those people must have gotten their ideas from reading Wasson’s book Soma, just like Lash got his ideas about mythology from Campbell. How many people even have the book Soma? It’s a near-rare book!
    • Lash’s narrative sucks, and is insulting to everyone. Lash’s underlying implied model of how theories develop sucks, it’s an authoritarian model; the Great Man model of history.
      • Wasson is Lash’s “Great Man” in Lash’s history of ideas in the field of entheogen scholarship.
      • It’s true I’m the greatest theorist EVAR; but perish the thought, of people talking about me the way Lash forms constructs to totally conflate all instances of visionary plants idea with “Wasson’s idea”. The way Lash employs the wording around “the Wasson thesis” is awful, insulting, & clumsy.
  • Part 2
    • 4:36 – “In the jargon of the 60s, the white light.”
    • 4:46 – “And it is possible, using ergot, to experience directly the organic light. I would recommend doing so, to those who are ready, willing, and able to undertake this kind of quest under the right conditions of course.
    • 5:10 – “I would describe the ergot experience of the organic light as kind of riding a bicycle with training wheels. I would describe the experience of encountering the organic light with sacred plant teachers, such as the Psilocybin mushrooms, as riding a bicycle without training wheels. But, it’s good to have the training wheels; ergot, of the right quality and dose, taken under the right conditions, can definitely show you the way to perceive the organic light.”
    • 6:04 – “Psychonautic adventures: people investigating the structure and dynamics of the psyche.”
    • 6:33 – “This section, Psychonautics, includes my extraordinary find, ” … [my discovery of the mushroom imagery in the Paris Eadwine Psalter] “images of psychoactive mushrooms”
    • 7:06 – “Entheogenic Revelation outlines my proposed book on the Wasson theory*.”
    • 9:03 – “R. Gordon Wasson, a banker … and most likely a double agent for the nu hurl odor, if you want to play into that scenario”
  • Part 3
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  • Part 4
    • ~3:45 i now reject my earlier framing of Mary Magdalene as trophy wife for the savior, she is wholly pagan
    • ~4:30 “omg i forgot i wrote a review of Dan Brown’s book The Da Vinci Code”
    • ~5:00 – i call myself a comparative mythologist, parallel myths around the world. my c.v. of my background is a page at this site
    • ~6:45 – I step beyond J Campbell – i follow the 4 prescripts at opening page Creative Mythology, the 4 precepts of Joseph Campbell
    • my poetry encodes a lot of mythological material
    • my rewrite of the myth of Orpheus and Eurydice
    • 17:00 sophia plunged from organic light into material; metamorphosis/hypostases (a stepping down/ downscaling of power) to become the material planet and her light became insane , sheared away part of the Anthropos, she didn’t plan to tear Anthropos into two parts; she split male vs female, so ppl on earth were purely female, men remained in the Orion Nebula, so later those men came to earth and encountered the female, these descending ppl were the men, the gender counterparts of the females on earth. This is Living Myth.
    • webpages about his proposed book about the book Quest for the Zodiac – (Not In His Image book mentions a 13th Real Sky constellation.)

“Unsuspected by the world at large, astrology uses a model that ignores the stars. Many who practice it do not know that there is a lost, star-based zodiac, entirely distinct from the well-known circle of twelve sun signs. Although not wrong on its own terms – the popular sun sign profiles do work- astrology it is wrongly defined as “the language of the stars.” Quest for the Zodiac corrects this error and recovers the visible star patterns observed in ancient times. The distinction between sign stereotypes and the real-sky constellations is astounding and revolutionary.

The mythic images of the constellations, not the signs, present a new approach to the age-old question: What is destiny? In the code language of the constellations, myths and archtypal themes reflect the long-term experience of humanity. In the author’s formulation, the star zodiac is a visionary tool for detecting the way each individual can advance on the learning curve of the human species. In effect, we each have a second horoscope, but its message is transpersonal, not ego-centered. Sun sign astrology examines and elucidates personality, but with the star zodiac we discover the innate genius of the person. Quest for the Zodiac proposes a new method of interpreting life-patterns. It breaks the 2000-year-old monopoly astrology holds on the interactivity of psyche and cosmos. This is the future of astrology, and the astrology of the future.”

Lash’s Atrocious False Model of History of Ideas and Theory of Idea Formation Results in Conflating Wasson with Visionary Plants for Religious Experiencing

Against John Lash’s fumbling, extremely ill-advised, harmful and misguided historian’s attempt at misleading narrative-driven mythmaking around Wasson, see Jan Irvin’s article “R. Gordon Wasson: The Man, the Legend, the Myth: Beginning a New History of Magic Mushrooms, Ethnomycology, and the Psychedelic Revolution” – the final chapter of John Rush’s book Entheogens and the Development of Culture. https://www.amazon.com/Entheogens-Development-Culture-Anthropology-Neurobiology/dp/1583946004

To get to Lash’s webpage “Background to Metahistory”, had to go wayback to get a non-404 page: https://web.archive.org/web/20080209020812/http://www.metahistory.org/background.php – “”Herodotus engaged in a study of comparative mythology … he was critical of some of his sources. Drawing upon many ancient traditions and oral accounts, he was careful in some cases to question the narrative structure of the stories he was recording. [such as Lash’s Wasson narrative] Traveling widely and encountering diverse cultures, Herodotus could not help notice the similarity of heroic tales preserved in different parts of the world. He was especially struck by the recurrence of events in stories of heroes who resembled the Greek Herakles (Latinized name, Hercules). Assuming a viewpoint that was quite radical for his time and place, Herodotus stated that Herakles was not a figure unique to Greek myth. He even berated his countrymen about adopting tales of this hero uncritically from other races: “The Hellenes tell many things without proper examination. Among them is the silly myth they tell about Herakles.” (Book 2.45, cited in Finley, 23). In his travels Herodotus encountered many variations of a plot formula known to the Greeks as the “labors of Herakles.” Cults dedicated to this mythical figure occurred all over the Near East under various names such as Melkart in the Lebanon, Samson in Jewish legend, and Ogmios among the Celts, [and Wasson in John Lash’s writings,] to name but a few variants.

  • “R. Gordon Wasson, a banker … and most likely a double agent for the nu hurl odor, if you want to play into that scenario” – yet Lash idiotically persists in every single time framing the fundamental concept of ‘entheogen’ as equated directly with “the Wasson thesis”; Lash practically grants Wasson with ownership of the concept of ‘entheogen’ AS IF THE ONLY PERSON WHO EVER THOUGHT OF THE CONCEPT BEHIND THE LABEL ‘ENTHEOGEN’ IS WASSON, HE MADE THE UNDERLYING IDEA OF SACRED PLANTS / VISIONARY PLANTS INDUCING RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCING. Better go back in time and inform everyone who ever used entheogens that they are ingesting Wasson’s plants in Wasson’s way; entheogens come from Wasson and he owns the idea.
    • Many people have independently discovered the self-evident obvious idea of religious use of plants, as Lash’s history page/book draft Wasson and company covers.
    • I/we must firmly and absolutely as a point of principle against the insane dumb way that Lash & Hatsis purport to “trace where ideas came from” that:
    • I independently discovered (like many people) the underlying concept of ‘entheogen’, I held that the Bible including the book of Revelation has religious use of psychedelics in 1986; I didn’t hear the name “Wasson” or “Allegro” or read any articles or books asserting the entheogen theory of religion until 1999, 13 years later.
    • I merely didn’t identify which psychedelic plant is in the Book of Revelation until Clark Heinrich’s 1994 book Strange Fruit, which I read in 1999.
    • Lash & Hatsis embrace stupid ideas about tracing where ideas come from, the fallacy “If person B thinks of idea X after person A, then B got it from A and is to be described as a variant of A’s idea” and idea X is to be framed / described as “Idea X belongs to person A bc person A thought of it before person B” -never mind a million years of psychedelic & visionary plant use LONG before Wasson and INDEPENDENTLY OF WASSON, but Lash & Hatsis are too stupid to grasp the concept of multiple independent discovery of idea X throughout history.
    • It is arbitrary and unfair and irrational to dub Wasson as the source and originator of the concept of entheogen and “the entheogen thesis”, this is sloppy, crude, amateur, bad narrative, terrible theorizing and scholarly framing of history of ideas from Lash & Hatsis.
    • Lash traces a hundred years of development of entheogens scholarship before Wasson, it is not justifiable to grant Wasson ownership of the concept of ‘entheogen’; Lash even credits Wasson with “inventing the word entheogen” p 337 endnote 223 2nd edition Not In His Name.
    • This is absurd, grotesque, malformed theory construction on Lash’s part. Fallacious meta-theory & false history & false theory of the history and origin of ideas, by Lash.
    • A false model of how ideas work, is in Lash’s very poor usage of his phrase, which no one else uses such a conflated usage, “the Wasson thesis”. That phrase isn’t necessarily wrong; but Lash wrongly employs the phrase “the Wasson thesis” eg Lash’s wrong & incorrect idea “variants of the Wasson theory.”
    • From Lash’s article “The Entheogenic Theory of Religion“, Lash presents a false, incorrect framing and implicit false and poor explanatory theory; false meta-theory:
      • “Variations of* the Wasson thesis, including some considerable extrapolations* and departures* from it, have been advanced by John Allegro, Ralph Metzner, James Arthur, Terence McKenna, Benny Shannon, Jim de Korne, and many others.”
      • *loaded and incorrect, false usage; a false theory lies behind Lash’s usage of these words.
      • entheogen scholars are liable to overestimate how influential books are. Scholars assume that since THEY got their ideas by reading other people’s books, anyone who came to possess an idea must have acquired the idea by reading a previous person’s book. This is a biased and perversely book-centric fallacy, history AS IF history of ideas works by propagation of memes from one scholar’s book to another. A scholars’ fallacy, fallacious notion of the history of ideas – transposing their own, formal book-based scholarship onto the entire world of thinkers.
    • The wrongness and error and poor explanatory power isn’t fully reflected in that one sentence; you have to compile every usage of such theory-naming by Lash, whenever Lash mentions Wasson together with ‘entheogen’, you then perceive and prove that Lash is fabricating a bad, wrong theory with low explanatory power; Lash spreads confusion via his incorrect background theory of how ideas originate and develop collectively, that he’s putting forward. Lash mis-credits and vastly overcredits Wasson.
    • Lash conflates the idea of ‘entheogens’ with Wasson, and presents a wrong and false recounting of the history of the field of entheogen scholarship. this is not how ideas work, in their formation and spread, according to the clumsy handling by Lash & by Hatsis. Just bc Irvin is literally a follower of Allegro, doesn’t mean following someone else is where ideas come from.
    • I am the originator of the formal particular theory the Egodeath theory / analogical psychedelic eternalism w/ dependent control etc., but don’t be so clumsy like Lash in your model of how ideas form and arise and spread.
    • Just because you’re writing a book about Wasson, doesn’t give Lash the license to grant ownership to Wasson of the underlying idea of religious use of plants as “the Wasson idea”, “Wasson’s idea”, and everyone who ever had the idea is employing “Wasson’s idea” – as Lash’s implicit theory and historical model of history of ideas falsely asserts. This mis-attribution to Wasson of the fundamental concept of religious use of plants is clumsy intellectual theft by John Lash.

How I got the mp3 files

steps valid on desktop browser at least:

  1. optional: Go to https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/07/07/wise-as-serpents-entheogenic-religion-and-the-paris-eadwine-psalter-john-lash/
  2. Click each link then click … then click Download.
  4. Tried right-clicking these links directly > Download, but that’s not working, it’s shown as filetype .html not .mp3, and changing that gives a tiny file, not big, so fails.)
  1. https://web.archive.org/web/20111019021004/http://metahistory.org/Audio/MetahistoryTourPart1.mp3
  2. https://web.archive.org/web/20111019003059/http://metahistory.org/Audio/MetahistoryTourPart2.mp3
  3. https://web.archive.org/web/20111019021004/http://metahistory.org/Audio/MetahistoryTourPart3.mp3
  4. https://web.archive.org/web/20111019021004/http://metahistory.org/Audio/MetahistoryTourPart4.mp3
  5. hah! i found a part 5, from 2022 04 21 April 21, 2022 snapshot probably can get from current metahistory.org
    https://web.archive.org/web/20220421053521/http://metahistory.org/Audio/MHtour5b.mp3 – 55 minutes not 20 minutes like 1-4. “Closely related to my study of the Dendera Zodiac, these essays cover the mythical and astronomical background of the 2012 debate and present some suggestions on what that date might entail as a window of opportunity looking toward a “planetary shift.” With eight chapters and an after”

lash none too keen on the d-pop genda. pronounces a curse on anyone using his site for that evil misuse

https://web.archive.org/web/20170623171856/http://metahistory.org/psychonautics/Eadwine/EadwinePsalter.php –

“Until now, the Paris Eadwine Psalter has been studiously ignored by scholars who refrain from commenting on the blatant mycological images used to illustrate Biblical narratives. The graphic contents of the MS are totally unknown to the general public. My secondary aim in PARADISE DENIED was to introduce this astonishing book to the world.

“The images in the Paris Eadwine Psalter are stunning, explicit, and unmistakable. They require no squinting and speculation, as occurs with esoteric doctrines allegedly encoded in great works of art. This one-of-a-kind manuscript presents vivid evidence complementary to the Wasson thesis*. Currently, there is a rapidly growing body of research confirming Wasson’s views*, but nothing accessible to mainstream interest.

“I have not seen the original BNF Latin MS 8846—special permission is required to access and handle it—but I have closely studied the microfilm in the library archives. Some illustrations show an elaborate proliferation of mushrooms and elegantly branched mushroom-trees, “

*In the Egodeath Mystery Show, I went off, and scathingly criticized John Lash for this awful, wrong, unjustifiable framing, terrible framing of entheogen scholarship.

Our mission in life as entheogen scholars is NOT “to confirm Wasson’s views”, that is wrong, harmful, misleading, erroneous framing.

“The Wasson thesis” can absolutely go to hell. F&ck “the Wasson thesis”, I could GAF about Wasson and his thesis.

We are not here to discuss “the Wasson thesis” – stop framing the field of entheogen scholarship incorrectly and harmfully this way, Lash!

I fulminated against Lash’s scholarly construct from Hell eg in:

Lash Falsely Attributes My Maximal Entheogen Theory of Religion to Wasson, Who My Theory Actual Counters

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What is “the Wasson thesis”? Lash gives an extreme, Maximal definition, allegedly supported by an endnote, but the endnote actually presents a much weaker definition.

Ingestion of plants is the origin of all genuine religious experience.

Lash p 220, citing the supporting endnote 223

Religious experience originated from ingestion of plants.

Lash, endnote 223 on p 337

John Lash’s book Not in His Name, Sep 2021 2nd Edition

photographic proof that p 220 asserts that that extreme, maximal assertion is “the Wasson thesis”:

To supposedly support that claim that that is “the Wasson thesis”, Lash gives endnote 223 on p 377:

photographic proof that endnote 223 on p 377 does NOT support, but CONTRADICTS AND greatly SOFTENS p 220’s claim of what “the Wasson thesis” is:

The endnote does NOT support Lash’s false claim that Wasson asserted the maximal entheogen theory of religion per p 220.

p 337 proves that p 220 asserts a highly overgenerous, FALSE DEFINITION of “the Wasson thesis”.

According to my definition of my theory (part of the Egodeath theory) which I call the maximal entheogen theory of religion, including the maximal entheogen theory of Christianity, including the maximal psilocybin theory of Christianity (which in NO SENSE “comes from” Wasson or “comes from” Allegro: nor “comes from” from the Ruck committee!): my theory: the maximal entheogen theory of religion / maximal entheogen theory of Christianity / maximal psilocybin theory of Christianity –

MY THEORY COMES *FROM ME*, *NOT* “FROM WASSON” OR “FROM RUCK” OR “FROM ALLEGRO”!

In fact, the reason that I had to invent the maximal entheogen theory of religion is precisely because the Ruck committee (including coauthor Wasson) failed to be so generous, and they provided only a failure and a loser of a negative, minimizing, very stingy theory.

It was specifically in retaliation & rebellion against the Ruck committee’s stinginess, the fact that people like Wasson et al precisely did not provide this Maximal, generous, greedy theory (as greedy as Lash p. 220), *I* had to provide and invent this Maximal theory, in Oct 2002, in fervent opposition against Wasson’s stingy, bad negative, minimizing view!

The maximal entheogen theory of religion, ie the Cybermonk thesis, in contrast to the actual Wasson thesis, and against Ruck, is:

The main source, by far, of the intense mystic altered state at the beginning of all religions and throughout the history of all religions – pointedly including Christianity – is psychedelics.

Medieval Christianity did NOT abandon, forget, or suppress entheogens, as Wasson, Ruck, Graves, Rush, McKenna, etc. assert.

When we take this adopt this explanatory framework, we become able to perceive massive evidence for the mainline & heavy (not sidelined & minor) presence of entheogens in hellenistic and Christian religion, in support of this hypothesis, thus corroborating this hypothesis.

Religious mythology is recognized as evidence describing by analogy classic psilocybin (psychedelic, psycholytic, loose cognitive association) effects, including eventual transformation of the mental worldmodel from possibilism with autonomous control ({branching}) to eternalism with dependent control ({nonbranching}).

People lie when they claim that “the traditional methods of the mystics”, or zen meditation, is something other than Psilocybin and suchlike visionary plants.

The name of my theory, the maximal entheogen theory of religion, came together October 2002 and March 2003 and in the months after that I eventually literally crafted my phrase from variants, “the maximal entheogen theory of religion”.

https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2021/01/08/announcement-the-maximal-entheogen-theory-of-religion/ has links to eg oct 2002 & mar 2003 announcements of the maximal entheogen theory of religion ie:

October 16, 2002
Subject: Entheogen use constant in religion
6 pages: https://egodeathyahoogroup.wordpress.com/2021/01/09/egodeath-yahoo-group-digest-23/#message1162

full article: John Lash
Wasson and Company: The Entheogenic Theory of Religion
https://web.archive.org/web/20110612022630/http://www.metahistory.org/psychonautics/Wasson/WassonAndCo.php –

“Although there are important antecedents, the argument for the entheogenic basis of religion can be said to have been formally launched by R. Gordon Wasson in his book, Soma: Divine Mushroom of Immortality.

“Initially, due in part to the influence of his Russian wife, Valentina, Wasson posited the existence of a prehistorical shamanic mushroom cult in the Ural mountains.

“He sought to prove that the natural sacrament and inebriant of this cult was the fly-agaric, amanita muscaria, which he identified with the Vedic inebriant, soma.

“Variations of the Wasson thesis, including some considerable extrapolations and departures from it, have been advanced by John Allegro, Ralph Metzner, James Arthur, Terence McKenna, Benny Shannon, Jim de Korne, and many others.”

x https://web.archive.org/web/20110611235620/http://metahistory.org/psychonautics/Psychonautics1.php

bottom has malformed treatment of serpent and egodeath: https://web.archive.org/web/20111019035124/http://metahistory.org/gnostique/telestics/SheafWheat.php –

“Contact with the Light does it, every time.

“The entheogenic brew taken at Eleusis does not induce the state of consciousness for encountering the Light, it merely removes what blocks reception to it (recall the novel syntax, above) — namely, ego-fixation, self-concern, and the illusion of separation.

“Egodeath and rapturous surrender to the living sensorium of the natural world are the hallmarks of Gnostic practice.

“This is as far from the hype of the God/Self equation as you can get, yet nothing is more divine than standing in the presence of the Organic Light.

para brk

“Telestai who underwent egodeath and entered full-body trance often represented their experience in serpentive imagery, because the Mystery Light engages Kundalini, the Serpent Power.

“Gnostic writings refer to the Divine Sophia having serpent form, like DNA.

“Kundalini is a kind of labile extract of the Organic Light, Sophia’s opalescent current deposited in the human organism.

“In shamanic trance, the initiate often encounters a magical Serpent who can appear externally, an independent entity, as well as internally, a serpentine organism that stretches from head to bowels.

“Cecrops, Hero, O King, Thou who at thy feet art serpent-shaped,” intones the Greek poet (cited by Jane Ellen Harrison in Themis, a rich repository of Mystery lore).

“In a famous image, Demeter hands the “divine child” of the Mysteries to Cecrops, the serpentine man who represents the lineage of male shrine-guardians at Eleusis.

“Cecrops holds in his left hand the sheaf of sacramental grain, and gestures with his right hand, finger to his lips to indicate the status of the mystes: “a sheaf of wheat in silence reaped.”

branching in left hand

“The dual form of Cecrops, human above and serpent below, represents fusion of the human body with the serpent power of the Divine Mother, embrace of the most exquisite tenderness.

“The initates of the Mysteries were Serpents of Wisdom, Kundalini adepts and devotees of Gaia-Sophia who must not by any account be confounded with the “reptilians” of planetary folk lore.

“Initiates were, in fact, humanity’s main line of defence against the non-human intruders known to Gnostics as Archons and known today as reptilians, Greys, ETs, EBEs and so forth.”

Wise as Serpents: Entheogenic Religion and the Paris Eadwine Psalter (John Lash)

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  • Show URLs for each article link. Try to provide a metahistory.org for each of the 9 articles, above the Archive.org links

Book: Wise as Serpents: Entheogenic Religion and the Paris Eadwine Psalter

John Lash wants to produce a book with the above title, as stated at his new web domain: https://nemeta.org/course/projects/

briefly available 3.5-hour reading/ critique: Egodeath Mystery Show episode 181 – Psychonaut Wasson Tax (July 8, 2022)

Archived John Lash Psychonautics Articles

5 John Lash Psychonautics Webpage Articles on Mushroom Imagery in Psalter, 3 Wasson Articles, & 1 on Entheogen Scholar Pioneers to 1964

Lash’s archived Site Guide page’s Psychonautics section has 9 working links to articles, including 5 Paris Eadwine Psalter articles & 3 Wasson articles:

https://web.archive.org/web/20111019195903/http://www.metahistory.org/sitemap.php#psychonautics – Psychonautics section

Psychonautics Articles Section of Metahistory Site

site map, broken links?
https://www.metahistory.org/sitemap.php
https://www.metahistory.org/sitemap.php#psychonautics
the Discovery article link at that site map tries to go to:
https://www.metahistory.org/psychonautics/Wasson/Discovery.php
but wrmspirit found working URL:
http://metahistory.org/Discovery.php
So try deleting www, /psychonautics/ , /Wasson/ from 404 URLs.
https://www.metahistory.org/psychonautics/Wasson/ 404
https://www.metahistory.org/psychonautics/ 404
https://www.metahistory.org

Old Lash Site Map Archive of Lash Site Map of Metahistory.org with Working Archive Links

Backup Copy of Psychonautics Section of Archive of Lash Site Map of Metahistory.org with Working Archive Links

Audio Tour of Metahistory Site Map

Lash voice recording mentioning secrit agent man Aasson:

the SPOKEN TOUR (part 2)

Very minor formatting of Lash’s Site Map added by Cybermonk:

PSYCHONAUTICS – 1 History Article

“Originally conceived in three parts, but only:

1) Part 1, covering the years 1935 – 1965, has been completed so far:
The Psychonautic Adventure

https://web.archive.org/web/20111019195903/http://www.metahistory.org/psychonautics/Psychonautics1.php

Right now I can’t say if or when I will complete the two remaining parts,

2) generation two 1965 – 1995, and

3) the current generation, 1995 – current [2008, 2011].

The remainder of this classroom consists of two folders:

/Eadwine Folder – 5 Articles

The Discovery of a Lifetime
John Lash
2008, with 2016 addendum, has latest edits:
http://metahistory.org/Discovery.php

“The Discovery of a Lifetime – describes how I found in the National Library in Paris a medieval ms. of the 13th Century, the Paris Eadwine Psalter, the only copy in existence, lavishly illustrated with Daliesque images of psychoactive mushrooms.
https://web.archive.org/web/20111019195903/http://www.metahistory.org/psychonautics/Wasson/Discovery.php – lacks edits/content.

Entheogenic Revelation: The Paris Eadwine Psalter – outlines my proposed book on the Wasson theory of the origin of religion (working title “Paradise Denied’), a project that did not get sold. It relates the Eadwine psalter to the Mysteries, in particular to perception of the molecular structure of DNA in a heightened state induced by psychoactive plants.
try: http://metahistory.org/EadwinePsalter.php – result: 404.
https://web.archive.org/web/20111019195903/http://www.metahistory.org/psychonautics/Eadwine/EadwinePsalter.php
todo: put latest Archive.org link, not 2011.

Illuminated Heresy – presents further commentary with illustrations from the Eadwine psalter, including one image of Christ tempted by an antlered shaman-devil in a mushroom grove.
todo: try: http://metahistory.org/IlluminatedHeresy.php – 404
https://web.archive.org/web/20111019195903/http://www.metahistory.org/psychonautics/Eadwine/IlluminatedHeresy.php
Search: Lash “Illuminated Heresy”

Mystic Jesus: Hanged Man and Dancer – offers yet more jaw-dropping images from the Eadwine psalter, included Christ inverted and an explicit cameo of Jesus dancing with Mary Magdalene. All in all, extraordinary evidence for Gnostic heresy and entheogenic mysticism preserved in this unique medieval text.

Forbidden Fruit: The Psalter of Saint Louis – compares images of another psalter containing entheogenic imagery with the Eadwine illustrations.”

/Wasson Folder – 3 Articles

“The Entheogenic Theory of Religion – sets out my strong objections to the trendy notion (coming from Benny Shannnon, John Rush, and others) that patriarchal figures like Moses and Jesus, iconic proponents of salvationist religion, acquired their message by inspiration from sacred teacher plants.

The Oldest Taboo in the World – Introduction to Wasson Book (incomplete and unpublished). Considers the taboo encoded in the Old Testament myth of the Temptation of Adam and Eve, forbidding the eating of sacred plants that give wisdom or a divine or god-like nature.

The Banker and the Bruja – Chapter One of Wasson Book – describes the meeting between R. Gordon Wasson and the Mazatec shaman Maria Sabina, resulting in the handover of psychoactive plant mysticism by its indigenous practitioners, making it known to the world at large.”

Lash’s Counterproductive and Bizarre Idol Worship of Wasson

the Lash archive site map Psychonautics section includes Lash’s voice recording, in which Lash describes Wasson as “a double agent of the nu whirl odor” – and yet Lash’s new book edition preserves his obsequious, fawning Wasson idolizing/ worship, grotesquely and needlessly and repulsively calling entheogen = exact synonym of ‘Wasson’ – this is a major self-contradiction of Lash.

It is highly unproductive/ counterproductive to go out of his way to drag Wasson’s name in, every single time Lash mentions entheogens/ the entheogen theory; this is an ERROR, a very bad idea, by one measure or another. Awful theorizing.

Genuflecting to Wasson at every opportunity, striving and straining to put more emphasis on Wasson than on entheogens,

like Ruck loves Secret more than Amanita, Lash loves Wasson more than entheogens.

Lash goes out of his way to insert Wasson as the intermediary between people and entheogens. Even though Lash admits in his voice recording commentary at his site map page Psychonaut section that Wasson is radioactive AF.

Lash is conducting a project for the purpose of giving as much glory to Wasson as possible at every opportunity.

Fortunately, Lash has no takers, just like Hanegraaff will find that no one else on Earth will employ Hanegraaff’s monstrously ill-advised and counterproductive construction from Hell, “entheogens in the broad sense” – ie non-drug entheogens.

No one other than Lash hastens to (pointlessly & needlessly) call the entheogen theory “the Wasson theory” at every single opportunity.

Lash’s Two Forms of “The Wasson[SIC! 🤢😡] Theory”

Finding during the July 7 [8] show in which I read all 9 Lash Psychonaut articles: Lash defines TWO forms of “the Wasson[sic!] theory”:

“the Wasson thesis in the general sense” (non-idiots call it as Lash does when Lash is not compromised & insane: the entheogen theory of religion)

“the Wasson thesis in the specific sense” = the idiotic terrible dumb idea than Letcher wrote an entire book mocking, Hatsis cashing in on copying Letcher’s move, that all religion came from an Amanita cult in the Ural mountains.

Then Letcher Hatsis conflates the broad vs narrow sense of “the Wasson theory”, in the Christian context. And calls that like Lash calls Allegro’s theory “a spinoff of the Wasson thesis” –

Lash’s handling of framing of theory formation & naming is atrocious!

Lash employs the term “the entheogenic theory of religion fine, but then every time he does, he then RUINS it by dubbing it an exact synonym of “the Wasson theory”, which no one else does, because such a bad and weird idea/framing.

Entheogen scholars are in a heated competition for which scholar can construct the worst idea ever.

i already have a quite good page on Lash and the Allegro Thesis and “the Wasson thesis”[SIC!!] 🤢😡 which i will read aloud on Egodeath Mystery Show

No one ever reads my webpages 😭 especially me 🙃

from backup page:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_84.htm

Lash’s page title from the John Lash page “Psychedelic Bible – The Discovery of a Lifetime”

NOV 2006 Lash viewed the psalter/ mushrooms. just after orig edition of Not in His Image. and my pair of articles at egodeath.com – main article & plaincourault article.

my page title needs improvement like title/URL of present page. weak title:

John Lash – The Discovery of a Lifetime

https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/04/11/john-lash-the-discovery-of-a-lifetime/ –

Lash very astutely points out that Ruck et al’s Amanita Madness is countered by Psalter’s non Amanita mushrooms!

very good content, does it have the hall of shame quote “versions of Wasson’s theory including considerable departures from it”?

aka the universal set of all theories about entheogens incl Lash and Allegro and Hatsis and Graves 1957 –

arbitrary handing all credit to Wasson – very poor theorizing and highly offensive and belittling of everyone ; highly insulting, rob Peter to pay Paul

all ideas about entheogens belong to Wasson. excuse me?!

HOW DARE you, john lash – WE BEG TO DIFFER!!

The most insulting and rude theorizing in order to fawningly WORSHIP Wasson as our savior;

Wasson literally IS entheogens, per last nights Egodeath Mystery Show ep 180 july 6 2022 https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/03/09/idea-development-page-13/#Egodeath-Mystery-Show-episode-180

when you ingest entheogens, you ingest Wasson, the flesh of Wasson our savior who existed with God from before the creation of the world.

Wasson is even bigger than the Beatles! 🤢 obseqious and fawning

Lash is more offensive than Hatsis here

😍 WASSON IS BIGGER THAN GOD 🙌 🤢

Peak Mushroom, the Christianity Gap, the Great Conspiracy to Deny Mushrooms inside Our Own Tradition in Church History

https://www.academia.edu/5374453/Entheogens_Sacramentals_or_Sacrilege_A_Working_Draft?email_work_card=view-paper

https://www.academia.edu/5374453/Entheogens_Sacramentals_or_Sacrilege_A_Working_Draft?email_work_card=view-paper, 2014 included in 2014 book:

Seeking the Sacred with Psychoactive Substances: Chemical Paths to Spirituality and to God

J. Harold Ellens, 2014

Seeking the Sacred with Psychoactive Substances [2 volumes]: Chemical Paths to Spirituality and to God (Psychology, Religion, and Spirituality)

“The first of its kind, this intriguing two-volume set objectively reports on and assesses this modern psycho-social movement in world culture: the constructive medical use of entheogens and related mind-altering substances.

“Covering the use of substances such as ayahuasca, cannabis, LSD, peyote, and psilocybin,

the work seeks to illuminate the topic in a scholarly and scientific fashion so as to lift the typical division between:

those who are supporters of research and exploration of entheogens,

and those who are strongly opposed to any such experimentation altogether.

The volumes address the history and use of mind-altering drugs in medical research and religious practice

in the endeavor to expand and heighten spirituality and the sense of the divine,

providing unbiased coverage of the relevant arguments and controversies regarding the subject matter.

Chapters include:

examinations of how psychoactive agents are used to achieve altered states in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism as well as in the rituals of shamanism and other less widely known faiths.

This highly readable work will appeal to everyone from high school students to seasoned professors, in both the secular world and in devoted church groups and religious colleges.”

trying to capture an excessive number of potential discussion points

in the middle ages-

when was peak mushroom?

when was the fall off

when did we forget and why

spoke with an expert who was specifically mad that Christianity had 100% forgotten and he was exclaiming on the totalNess of this forgetting and

we discussed a little bit but not enough whether modernity- or there was a conspiracy so to speak of both religion and modernity , they both suppressed mushrooms [psilocybin] for their own different reasons

both parties allied

religion allied with early modern science around 1700 to kill off mushrooms [psilocybin]

how did this work

do we put all blame on the church in the middle ages of 1200 ,or do we put all blame on nascent maternity maternity Modern stupid voice transcription MODERNITY robbed us of msh Hanegraaff re throwing esotericism in trashcan

Thomas Roberts counsel for spiritual practices Article at Academia.edu mentions Ken Wilber at the bottom seems to be from around 2011 course guidelines syllabus program and

I don’t like roberts’ typical framing of the question “are visionary plants an authentic fake simulation of the authentic methods of the mystics?”

the very way that he expresses the questions already has baked into it a negative verdict!!

It’s the sort of do you still beat your wife type of the question has a falsehood in a presupposition baked into the very question itself

like a game that has losing already woven into it

it is a game that is designed for you to lose

the very way that the question is posed already contains the negative bias against the visionary plants

the false presuppositions are already integrated into the very formulation of the question

John Lash very much bothers me the way that he keeps far too much credit to Wasson and

both Wasson and John lash they both know in fact they both know the fact of the matter

they both know perfectly well that there are mushrooms in Christianity and both of them sensor with the total information blackout

the great information blackout

the Christianity gap

John Lash and Wasson the great Christianity gap and blackout

in fact it’s a blackout and

we have different flavor of motives:

the church has one reason to suppress and deny mushrooms

butt Wasson has a different reason to suppress and deny Mushrooms in Christianity

and John lash has a different reason to suppress and deny Christians Mushrooms

and science Modern 1700 enlightenment science has a different reason to deny and suppress Mushrooms

and goddamnit everybody every idiot every clown every stupid bunk field

everybody has their own unique reason for suppressing and denying Mushrooms in Christianity

the great massive bias and huge conspiracy by everybody

and John Rush has his reasons to deny and suppress Mushrooms in Christianity

and Jan irvin has his own reasons to deny and suppress the Central presence of mushrooms within Christianity

and everybody has their reasons to deny and suppress Mushrooms in Christianity

and Dr. Secret Amanita Carl Ruck has his own reasons to try to minimize and sideline and emphasize the absence rather than the presence presence of mushrooms in Christianity

everybody is all conspiring to minimize and suppress and deny and delete mushrooms from Christianity

idiots!

and they are all directly causing the prohibition of psilocybin !

the great self defeat

Everybody is conspiring to be self-defeating and to establish and set up and justify and propagate and perpetuate psilocybin Prohibition

John Lash tries to perpetuate Prohibition and Wasson tries and strive and Irvin and Rush and ruck and everybody and all of the entheogen scholars except for Samorini and brown, they all conspire

and organized religion conspires

and modern enlightenment science conspires

and everybody conspires to tell the false narrative and to tell the courts the lie, that our own religious tradition has no mushrooms, or has very few, and

we want to emphasize that our own religion history is founded on the denial and suppression and deletion of mushrooms from Christianity

and everybody wants to emphasize the lack, the absence rather than the presence of mushrooms, of psilocybin with in the tradition

THE POISON NARRATIVE THAT PROPS UP PSILOCYBIN PROHIBITION

and they even use evidence and mushroom art to prop up and perpetuate this narrative which is self-defeating and harmful and perpetuates the prohibition scam sham Prohibition of Psilocybin by all conspiring to agree and

everybody tells the same false narrative

everybody is committed to the story that Christianity is all about removing and deleting Mushrooms

this is the great Christianity gap or the great conspiracy to misrepresent – and a commitment to not seeing and not Recognizing the central Presence of Mushrooms – *Psilocybin* Mushrooms because

if I don’t say psilocybin, then you will be forced to picture amanit emoji

“mushroom” = 🍄 , So you force me to say Psilocybin, because if I don’t , you will absolutely say/hear Amanita a million times

I see the word mushroom, you hear the word Amanita

and that’s why I cannot say mushroom; I have to say Psilocybin, to break your stupid ruts of thinking, your Dr. Rut’s rut of thinking

As surely as a mushroom-tree artist forces you to think mushrooms, and they must take responsibility for that, similarly, when I say the word ‘mushroom’, that will force you to wrongly think of the word ‘Amanita’ and to definitely not think at all of psilocybin type mushrooms

I want to read John lash book pages about the lion headed serpent monster which Sophia creates when not factoring in the Higher source of control thoughts

and also read Metzner but really I’ve been wanting more books by Ralph Metzner and two or three books by him are strongly recommended by John Lash

a big topic of conversation is : do we have to think of Wasson as evil per Irvin?

and what do we do with this problem of John lash trying to give an insane amount of credit and credit the entire entheogen theory 100% to Wasson ,

At the overall narrative level john lash literally calls via entheogen theory he literally calls it “the wasson theory” – that bugs the hell out of me, that really is grating. it would take a while to work out the ideas of why why it is so wrong the way that John lash so absolutely labels and equates the Theory and gives entire credit to the very guy well a big question is did Wassen he is so evasive on this did Wason explicitly deny so put the question to him the question the question is the question of all questions is:

Wasson & Lash, please answer The Question:

To what extent Psilocybin and Muscimol mushrooms within the church throughout Christian history?

please do not employ the word ‘secret’ or ‘cult’ in your answer

Wasson Was the First to Assert the Entheogenic Theory of Religion, Which Is that Ingesting Sacred Plants Is the Origin of All Genuine Religious Experience

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The ingestion of sacred plants is the origin of all genuine religious experience.

R. Gordon Wasson, presenting the Wasson thesis, in Lash 2nd Ed. p. 220

That is the Wasson thesis, as reported by John Lash.

The Wasson thesis is actually, in fact, the entheogenic theory of religion except Christianity.

That is the Lash/Wasson standard “entheogen theory of religion except Christianity”.

hey wasson

i have a question

… for you to be given the extreme massive (yet vague & silent re: Christianity) credit that John Lash gives you as the creator of the entheogenic theory of religion, which asserts all genuine religious experience is by ingesting entheogens:

What specifically is the Wasson thesis?

What specifically is the entheogenic theory of religion?

… Especially regarding medieval Christianity, hellenistic symposia mixed wine, mystery religion sacred meals (not focusing on Eleusis/ kykeon, please), and mushroom trees in Christian art.

What is your definition of “the entheogenic theory of religion”?

What is your definition of “the entheogenic theory of Christianity”?

Does the medieval church contain genuine religious experiencing that’s not from ingesting entheogens?

Are entheogens the origin of all genuine Christian religious experiencing in the middle ages?

Did Christians in the middle ages know that all genuine religious experiencing is from ingesting visionary plants?

Is your theory the entheogenic theory of religion?

Are you the creator of the entheogenic theory of religion, like you wrote in Soma that you were the first person since pre-history to associate the tree of the knowledge of good and evil with amanita (other than the mycologists, that said that the tree in the fresco is amanita, and other than the mushroom tree artists and their viewers)?

Given that the Eden trees are Amanita as you wrote, then is the tree of life at the other end of the bible Amanita?

Is the entheogenic theory of religion the theory that “the … ingestion of sacred plants … is the origin of all genuine religious experience” (Lash p.220), or is John Lash misattributing that innovation and that theory to you?

Are you the creator of the word ‘entheogen’, or is Ruck?

Do you agree with the maximal entheogen theory of religion, that visionary plants are by far the main way that Christians, and others, accessed the intense mystic altered state throughout history?

Are the hundreds of mushroom trees in Christian art (aside from the Plaincourault fresco) depictions of mushroom imagery?

Are the 75 mushroom plants in the Canterbury Psalter representations of mushrooms, given that (as Lash says that you were the first to assert) all genuine religious experience is from ingesting entheogens?

Are Panofsky’s two “little pictures” that he attached to one of his May 1952 pair of letters to you paintings of mushroom imagery, given that “the … ingestion of sacred plants … is the origin of all genuine religious experience”?

Do you agree with Albert Brinckmann 1906 per Panofsky, that mushroom trees are random accidental sloppy distortions of Italian umbrella pines?

Why did the art world accept the outcome of the pine tree template development into mushroom evoking imagery, given that they knew would cause viewers to describe them as mushroom trees?

Were artists unaware that their pilzbaum force a mushroom impression on the viewer?

If mushroom tree artists did not want to cause the impression of mushrooms on the viewer, then why did they go ahead and depict mushroom imagery in a way that they knew would force a mushroom impression on their viewers?

Why exactly did the mushroom-tree artists consider causing this mushroom impression to be acceptable?

Why did the art world accept this particular specific outcome, which is to say, a mushroom-looking outcome?

What is your theory of individual artist intention re: mushroom trees?

Did you obtain & read Brinckmann’s book which Panofsky’s pair of May 1952 letters strongly urged you to read, and which author name & accurate title you wrote on his letter that you partly republished?

Did Panofsky give you permission to publically publish his two letters to you? were they intended for public consumption, unlike your “rightly or wrongly we are committed skeptics” letter to lead mycologist John Ramsbottom?

How did you decide which portions of Panofsky’s pair of letters to publish, and which parts to keep secret and hidden from the public?

Why didn’t you pass on Panofsky’s double recommendation of Brinckmann’s book to the mycologists; John Ramsbottom, and the public?

A genuine authentic maximal entheogen theorist and a real scholar would have provided citations, not hid them away, like Lash’s deleted articles about the Canterbury Psalter’s many mushroom trees.

Why did you publish a couple of Panofsky’s arguments from the first letter, but you didnt publish any of his arguments from his second letter, such as:

There are too many mushroom-trees for them to represent mushrooms.

and that:

The mushroom-tree artists would have had to omit the branching features, if they had wanted to give the viewer the impression of mushrooms, such that art historians would call them pilzbaum.

Original art motif decoding & discovery by Cybermonk nov 2020-apr 2022. the ACTUAL template for mushroom trees, against Panofsky’s confabulation of his process that “develops” the given art imagery of branching-themed mushrooms into pine trees

Were you telling mycologists that they had to go consult the art historians merely to get the dogmatic conclusion according to the art historian authorities?

Or were you telling mycologists that they need to have a two-way discussion and debate and investigation to open up like Panofsky’s citing Brinckmann’s’s book and including attached paintings, like an actual honest and curious scholar would do?

john lash, Not in His Name, 2nd ed. p 220, 377, 392

add links to lash’s deleted, covered-up articles about his discovery of some of the 75 mushroom trees in canterbury psalter as “the discovery of a lifetime”, which he hides and omits from his book Not in His Name because they make Christianity look good, against his narrative agenda of “the big bad church eliminated all entheogens” – same false narrative most entheogen scholars are committed to;

entheogen scholars would rather remove mushrooms from Christianity than admit mushrooms are within Christianity.

add links to Idea Development page 13 here, voice – Egodeath Mystery Show reading Lash book

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 179 – Graves Wasson Thesis (July Fourth, 2022

Hatsis Gallery of Mushroom Imagery in Christian Art

Contents:

  • Intro
  • My Links to Hatsis’ Articles & Books
  • Psychedelichistorian.com site down, 2024
  • A Brief Introduction to Holy Mushroom Theory
  • Roasting Jan Irvin
  • The Dogmatist’s Debacle
  • The Christian Radish Cult
  • The Mushroom in Mommy Fortuna’s Midnight Carnival
  • Notes
  • Ezekiel’s Scroll Has Writing on Both Sides, So, Not Mushroom, in Ezek 2 & Rev 10
  • See Also

Intro

My Links to Hatsis’ Articles & Books

My main place as of Jan. 2025 where I have links to Hatsis’ set of articles:

https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/10/31/psychedelic-mystery-traditions-hatsis/#biblio

Psychedelichistorian.com site down, 2024

Feb. 1 2025 Hatsis site remains down. articles 1 archive avail 2023 – be sure to back up b/c few snapshots.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230228072821/https://psychedelichistorian.com/tag/holy-mushroom-theory/

Articles, Featured

A Brief Introduction to Holy Mushroom Theory

A Brief Introduction to Holy Mushroom Theory
Thomas Hatsis, December 7, 2017 [2013?]
The Holy Mushroom theory presents a challenge to social scientists interested in entheogenic and psychedelic history.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230228072821/https://psychedelichistorian.com/a-brief-introduction-to-holy-mushroom-theory/

Get pictures from there.

Roasting Jan Irvin

Roasting Jan Irvin
There is a better title and more complete article than this later copy from arspsychedelia.com orig site
Thomas Hatsis, November 7, 2017 [2013]
If there is a Christian mushroom cult, it won’t be found without critical historical inquiry.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230228072821/https://psychedelichistorian.com/roasting-jan-irvin/

Get pictures from there.

The Dogmatist’s Debacle

The Dogmatist’s Debacle
https://web.archive.org/web/20230228072821/https://psychedelichistorian.com/the-dogmatists-debacle/
Thomas Hatsis, September 12, 2017 [2013?]
Lacking real evidence, Jan Irvin shows that he is not a historian, but an ideologue.

Get pictures from there.

The Christian Radish Cult

The Christian Radish Cult
Thomas Hatsis, September 11, 2017 [2013?]
The evidence touted by Christian mushroom-cult theorists reads more like an opinion column than real historical inquiry.

The Mushroom in Mommy Fortuna’s Midnight Carnival

The Mushroom in Mommy Fortuna’s Midnight Carnival
Thomas Hatsis, August 24, 2017 [2013?]
https://web.archive.org/web/20230228072821/https://psychedelichistorian.com/the-mushroom-in-mommy-fortunas-midnight-carnival/
If Jan Irvin doesn’t investigate his hypotheses, how seriously can we take his conclusions?

Get pictures from there.

Notes

wtf, Irvin 2008 book THM slams Ruck for limiting – Irvin is busting open access to The Mushroom , amanita. Opposite of Hatsis’ claim about Irvin’s position.

Amanita continues to have powerful psychedelic effects proved by hopkins with psil, so therefore Amanita is king of all psychedelics.

Amanita is traditional wishful thinking, traditional popular mushroom lore.

Psil Manna is better than Amanita scroll Eze Rev 10.

Sart https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%202&version=NIV

 Do not rebel like that rebellious people; open your mouth and eat what I give you.”

Ezekiel’s Scroll Has Writing on Both Sides, So, Not Mushroom, in Ezek 2 & Rev 10

Ezekiel Scroll Disproves Heinrich & Rules Out The Mushroom: Has Writing on Both Sides, when Unrolled, plus, Amanita doesn’t roll up – So, Not Mushroom, in Ezekiel 2-3 or Revelation 10

Gen 2-3 Kicked out of Eden/ Rev 22 Return to Eden

Eze 2-3 eat scroll / Rev 10 eat scroll that cannot be Amanita, ruled out b/c Amanita only has writing on one side, not both sides when unrolled.

9 Then I looked, and I saw a hand stretched out to me. In it was a scroll, 10 which he unrolled before me. On both [AMANITA RULED OUT] sides of it were written words of lament and mourning and woe.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%203&version=NIV —

3 And he said to me, “Son of man, eat what is before you, eat this scroll; then go and speak to the people of Israel.” 2 So I opened my mouth, and he gave me the scroll to eat.

3 Then he said to me, “Son of man, eat this scroll I am giving you and fill your stomach with it.” So I ate it, and it tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth.

I will make your forehead like the hardest stone, harder than flint. Do not be afraid of them or terrified by them,

Say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says,’ whether they listen or fail to listen.”

12 Then the Spirit lifted me up, and I heard behind me a loud rumbling sound as the glory of the Lord rose from the place where it was standing.[a] 13 It was the sound of the wings of the living creatures brushing against each other and the sound of the wheels beside them, a loud rumbling sound. 14 The Spirit then lifted me up and took me away, and I went in bitterness and in the anger of my spirit, with the strong hand of the Lord on me. 15 … deeply distressed.

Ezekiel’s Task as Watchman

16 At the end of seven days the word of the Lord came to me: 17 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 18 When I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for[b] their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. 19 But if you do warn the wicked person and they do not turn from their wickedness or from their evil ways, they will die for their sin; but you will have saved yourself.

20 “Again, when a righteous person turns from their righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before them, they will die. Since you did not warn them, they will die for their sin. The righteous things that person did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. 21 But if you do warn the righteous person not to sin and they do not sin, they will surely live because they took warning, and you will have saved yourself.”

22 The hand of the Lord was on me there, and he said to me, “Get up and go out to the plain, and there I will speak to you.” 23 So I got up and went out to the plain. And the glory of the Lord was standing there, like the glory I had seen by the Kebar River, and I fell facedown.

24 Then the Spirit came into me and raised me to my feet. He spoke to me and said: “Go, shut yourself inside your house. 25 And you, son of man, they will tie with ropes; you will be bound so that you cannot go out among the people. 26 I will make your tongue stick to the roof of your mouth so that you will be silent and unable to rebuke them, for they are a rebellious people. 27 But when I speak to you, I will open your mouth and you shall say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says.’ Whoever will listen let them listen, and whoever will refuse let them refuse; for they are a rebellious people.”

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Helios vs. Mithras = Basic Eternalism vs. Qualified Possibilism as Higher Eternalism

i could make a really good episode of Egodeath Mystery Show by including only my June 18 discussion of correlating 3 things:

* basic eternalism as lower layer of eternalism, vs qualified possibilism-thinking as higher portion of eternalism

* Helios vs Mithras as mentioned in section “The Question of the Eucharist” in book by Earl Doherty Jesus: Neither God Nor Man (minus decrypting Doherty’s writing)

* Analysis of Row 2 Right: the two pairs of guys, in f134 comic panel of Canterbury Psalter

see sections below https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/03/09/idea-development-page-13/#Egodeath-Mystery-Show-Episode-Ep165R

June 19 -20 2022 im still getting a vibe like last month that both twins are positively valued so :

map Cautes to qualified possibilism-thinking = higher layer of eternalism ,

map Cautopates to basic eternalism-thinking = lower layer of eternalism

another real good segm was June 19 reading of 1887 Greek Myth book – Semele and Bacchus w ego death the Egodeath theory commentary

transcending basic eternalism-thinking (Helios) by qualified possibilism-thinking (Mithras) who moves the Draco constellation pole-star causing precession of equinoxes – the Egodeath theory transcends (incorporates and integrates and surpasses per ken wilber) David Ulansey’s expl of Mithraism

4:42 am june 20 2022 i noticed Mithras weight on R leg in middle – another instance of the important motif: {Left Heel Up} while right foot down

left heel up
Eustace window reversed
– an amazing image

Eustace window reversed – an amazing image, dumb luck its in my main article stupidly only bc 1 msh but no conincidence it carries w it incredibly profound msg beyond what main article mapped out by 2006,

same w handedness = branching in Dionysus mosaic – twice-dumb luck.

i came for “The 🍄”, i stayed & grew into the profound 2020 formula, blossomed a few days ago in Spring 2022 = March-early May 2022

reversed like Entheos Journal’s tauroctony cover 😵 huge mistake; the worst error you could possibly make, instantly showing utter lack of comprehension of left = branching (possibilism-thinking), right = non-branching (eternalism-thinking including qualified possibilism-thinking)

left = branching, right = non-branching

reversed like Entheos Journal’s tauroctony cover 😵 huge mistake; the worst error you could possibly make, instantly showing utter lack of comprehension of left = branching (possibilism-thinking), right = non-branching (eternalism-thinking including qualified possibilism-thinking)

left = branching (possibilism-thinking), right = non-branching (eternalism-thinking including qualified possibilism-thinking)

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a quirk of psalter f134 comic panel is the breakout of enlightenment into multiple stages, to differentiate basic eternalism eternalism-thinking vs qualified possibilism-thinking as the higher layer of eternalism-thinking:

beardless foolish left foot (row 1 left, 2 R, 3R)

beardless enlightened right foot (1L, 1M x2, 2R, 2M, 3L)

bearded no-hat has-limbs (1L)

bearded no hat no limbs (1R)

bearded funnel-hat has-limbs (2M, 2R)

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Generic Post About Ultimate Knowledge

Voice miss transcription

Value of Transcendent Knowledge

Discuss what value is transcendent knowledge; why is transcendent knowledge the most valuable thing?

Newbie Summaries Podcasts

Self-contained newbies summary podcast: Vialgate; summary of the Brown book’s and article’s inconsistent Interpretation of Walburga tapestry Vial

read the two passages

bad influence of Hatsis, does Irvin Rush see too many msh? yes & no.

criteria of proof & compelling evidence. browns proposed committee.

did church assert or deny msh? what does Rush 2nd Ed say?

Self-contained podcast summary reading the pair of Panofsky letters to Wasson

introduction to the subject of assessing Mushrooms in Medieval Church

What is the relationship between this topic and ahistoricity

multiple senses of “the Allegro theory” – Valentinian Gnostics believed Allegro’s theory per Pagels – sets of views per Freke & Pagels, the exoteric vs esoteric systems of thinking; world models

explain for newbies what the importance and relevance of this subject is regarding the full repeal of prohibition of psilocybin and the need to prepare session guides with the suitable required knowledge about passing through the door of control transformation or to snatch and {steal} sacred fire gnosis like a thief, experiencing & probing/ experimenting with the loss of control, without experiencing actual loss of control.

I am well prepared, having treated the subject many times, having spoken about this and written about it and this would be good practice for making an episode that would be aimed at people who didn’t know anything about the ego death Theory or about entheogen scholarship, or about who Wasson is, or who Panofsky is, or who John Allegro is

I would assume no knowledge of the field or the debate or the stupid silly slap-fight that’s well below any kind of a scholarly exchange.

stomach reading jan irvin book’s The Holy Mushroom exhaustive detail about the stupid non-exchange between allegro and Wasson, the utter failure of scholarly engagement, a gigantic scholarly fail.

I am obliged to get the color expensive version of Irvin’s book

, and I don’t know… I can’t deal with it 😞

who wants to go into exhausting detail on that 😵

but I have been willing to read brown

I have yet to really subject Brown to criticism on his reading of the second Panofsky letter , but in any case there is a lot to say about Panofsky’s newly published Exposed second letter ( including a critique of brown trying to read it as asserting Amanita).

I am more interested in the 100% thorough deconstruction of the two Panofsky letters that is my specialty I really doubt I am interested in Young irvin exhausting detail on further back-and-forth analysis between Wasson versus Allegro who cares but I don’t know I haven’t really seen what-all Irvin covers there.

I wrote a five star recommendation of Irvin’s book, the least I could do would be to get a copy of it

I am interested in Brown’s publishing of the second Panofsky letter and doing a summarizing of my deep Critique of Panofsky’s two letters and how Wasson abused them and tried to deceive everyone about them and tried to actually avoid people seeing and following through on the scholarly direction that,

as bad as Panofsky’s arguments are, he at least points us towards scholarly engagement, and Wasson didn’t want that

As banker for the Pope, and as PR engineer/ propagandist for the bank, Wasson couldn’t allow that, and so Wasson had to steer us away from Panofskys letters, (including two attached Mushroom tree pictures and two citations of Brinckmann’s book) because as bad as Panofsky’s scholarly letters’ arguments are, they point everyone towards critical scholarly engagement, and Wasson had to prevent such an investigation & engaging of the questions, not engage and try to win (impossible; certain failure/ losing).

especially because of the newly available second letter from Panofsky to Wasson and because the material is freshly treated by me in voice podcasts, I would like to try to make a self-contained newbie summary discussion and introduction to Allegro Wasson Panofsky retrospective summary, including both of Panofsky’s letters

and reading this would be a Prof. Jerry Brown 2019 response/ retrospective summary incorporating Brown’s latest work regarding Wasson and Allegro Panofsky this would be a summary of my 2006 Plaincourault article, updated to cover and summarize and introduce the pair of Panofsky letters

I would read aloud and discuss the entirety of both of been of his letters, including his two attached mushroom tree pictures and including his citation of Brinkman’s book;

I would describe exactly what you are supposed to look for in Brinkman’s book

you are supposed to look for compelling evidence that if you lay out the Mushroom Trees in chronological order, you find a definite tangible development from Italian pine tree to mushroom shape, expressed in terms of the development of templates

it’s all about the templates, and their development from Pine tree

be sure to say The word “pine tree” 10 times as much as you say the word Mushroom tree.

whenever any normal person would say mushroom tree, you must be sure to instead say “the development of the pine tree”.

and never focus on the finished artwork, which is clearly Mushroom Trees

instead, you have to always obsess and turn the spotlight on to the alleged hypothetical templates

it’s all about the templates

please ignore the mushroom tree artwork, and instead fill your head with the development of templates, specifically from pine trees <– look here

these are pine tree templates

☑️🌲🎄👍

do not think of mushroom Trees

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You must instead think of pine tree templates

it’s all about the templates

it’s all about the pine trees

it has nothing whatsoever to do with the art products which we are given, which are mushroom trees

You must participate in the Panofsky project of converting Mushroom trees into pine trees

the input is mushroom trees, and the output of the process is pine trees

you must speak about “the development process of templates” for the purpose of setting up an actual present-day (1952) development process to develop mushroom trees (not pine tree templates), to explain away our problematic mushroom trees, by “developing” them into Italian pine trees, instead.

you have to use wording about “pine tree template development” in order to accomplish, in actuality, developing mushroom trees– thus forming a process in order to develop mushroom trees into pine trees, thus explaining them away.

what we have in actuality as far as a development process is not in fact the development process of pine tree templates for which the “finished product” is templates that look like mushrooms

but rather what Panofsky is doing in fact is to engineer and construct and set up a process a development process which can successfully take as input finished artwork mushroom tree products and then at the end of his development process which Panofsky (the most influential art historian) has fabricated and engineered.

the output of the Panofsky development process is to develop mushroom tree artwork into pine trees, or pine tree templates that look like Italian pine trees:

mushroom in, pine tree out

that is the actual “development process” which we have – or which Panofsky has sneakily created, rather.

Egodeath Yahoo Group posts vs WordPress weblog

I need to experiment at the ego death Yahoo Group WordPress weblog including bridging some of the mobile posting technique of voice transcription that I used then

that format was a “cast in stone” format, and then I could post follow up clarifications, but I could not edit, so any sloppy writing or experiments were permanent so that encouraged clean writing writing

but there are always pros and cons because I can edit some thing that I have already posted here that encourages leading edge experimentation and being freed from the burden / restriction of having to only post cleaned-up material.

Also consider that WordPress has a mobile app and there is sufficient support for voice dictation so this gives a lot of different ways and flexibility for contributing

I think I have now figured out how to avoid losing data when switching between WordPress mobile app versus desktop, what sync-states to check for and beware of.

I miss the threading of Egodeath Yahoo Group, not sure how to carry those threads forward, would require some experimenting.

Both platforms have pretty serious challenge with discoverability of excellent content; drinking the ocean through a straw. It is hard to remember that all Egodeath Yahoo Group postings to February 14, 2004 (start = June 2001) are duplicated at Egodeath.com, rearranged optimized for thread per page, and unfortunately lacking date stamps.

As far as mytheme History of mythemes Decoding, entheogen history scholarship, Transcendent Knowledge development in that transitional period from Core theory to myth & history, it’s good that that is double-posted at the Max Freakout archive of Egodeath Yahoo Group plus egodeath.com –

One place ( the Egodeath Yahoo Group / wordpress site ) has valuable timestamps date stamps; and the egodeath.com website has threading per subject, one thread per webpage

I could certainly add a degree of cross-linking between those two perspectives; that would probably be valuable and useful.

later Egodeath Yahoo Group posts after Feb 14 2004 – 2019(?) were very low discoverability at Yahoo Groups website; now they are probably higher discoverability and readability and linkability than ever, now that they are at wordpress, though it does have its issues of some formatting glitch with the > greater than sign, indicating a previous person’s post embedded in a reply post.

Newbie Introduction Summaries

as Max Freakout has said and like Cyberdisciple described upon viewing egodeath.com prior to the main article, comic book summaries are always needed, and someone suggests that for the Egodeath Mystery Show voice podcast, like episode 28 of the Transcendent Knowledge podcast covering the basics of the core Egodeath Theory:

1985-1997 [analogical but not mythological] psychedelic eternalism with dependent control, switching to that in the loose cognitive association state from the initial mental model of literalist ordinary-state possibilism with presumed autonomous control.

Intellectual autobiography, history of Egodeath Theory Development

Core theory 1985-1998, Mytheme theory 1999-2022

The best I can figure, most likely, in 1998 I did a significant 3/4 of it working on publishing the phase 1, Core theory, and only 1/4 of 1998 working with the very beginnings of my phase 2, Mytheme theory.

in 1999 in my new study/library I definitely 100% had the tangible experience of working in new topics.

even if I can now perceive the roots of Hellenistic mysteries study and he historicity in 1998, I was not experiencing those as massive new areas of research in 1998, but probably what I was experiencing was intensive publishing work on the core theory at the website.

1998 was a year of not having a study/library (= new research), but entirely working on the website, to publish the existing material, not investigating new horizons of research at that time.

you might imagine that I was doing leading edge research on the web (in Phase 2 topics: myth, ahistoricity, entheogen scholarship) in 1998 – but that is unrealistic, because the web had poor content at that time; it was nowhere near as good as the librarys and bookstores.

my website which i was building out in 1998 was the only decent thing on the web related to such topics but it had only technical, Philosophy, Core, phase 1 content then. in contrast, my involvement in these phase 2 topics was really puny compared to my massive publishing of my core one phase 1 material in 1998

it’s only a 1999 when my phase 2 work really obviously surrounded me in a physical tangible way with my new study/library and definitely accumulating and reading new kinds of books on new subjects.

here’s a really good way to think of it:

1995-1996: Phase 1, Core theory development

1997-1998: Phase 1, Core theory publishing

1999-2005: Phase 2, Mytheme theory debelopment

2006-2007: Phase 2, Mytheme theory publishing

That way of treating 1998 together with 1997 really works very well, because I do not think of those years as developing either phase 1 or phase 2 theory – but that doesn’t mean I wasn’t doing anything, just because I wasn’t developing theory; I was actually publishing theory in 1998 ( and very tangibly in 1997 ie summary outline at P Cyb’a)

The problem/ the reason why I have had difficulty in assigning 1998 is because I’ve had too narrow of the concept of the word ‘developing’; I probably did a huge amount of Core, phase 1 theory “development” in 1998, in the sense of publishing; the website.

hell , everything i did from feb 1988 through like 1998 could be called “mere publishing” of my oct 1985-1987 breakthrough of jan 1988.

compare the year 1988 (starting after January 11 ) compared to the year 1998:

you could equally treat those years, all those years after the breakthrough, as mere “publishing”, as merely writing up the breakthrough insight and change of perspective or formation of the mental model with its basic pieces that I pieced together in the first days of the year waiting for the quarter to begin, jan 11, 1988.

given that I published the outline summary of the core theory in February 1997 well you know I felt like I was still trying to write my article even into the year 2001 I still felt that I was trying to write my core theory article I was not yet trying to incorporate Mythology so an interesting question is when did I first start thinking in terms of incorporating Mythology into my article for the journal of transpersonal psychology

when did I shift my vision for my Jan 1988 article for the Journal of Transpersonal Psychology so as to incorp religious mythology?

the cybernetic theory of ego transcendence: the actual nature of ego transcendence is block univ no-free-will cybernetic noncontrol w mental model transformation in the loose cog assn state

I was working on that article ever since January 1998 trying to make it converge instead of blow up.

incorporating religious mythology was the key that enabled me to have a direction that would converge rather than just a giant pile of writing, kind of an unconstrained and kind of undirected pile of writing, all about the core theory with its 12 principles – instead of my later, successful 4 principles or four quadrants.

when did I finally allow in mythology

maybe The same time as I announced the maximal entheogen theory of religion: 2002.

Maybe my anger at the failure of the Ruck Committee to deliver any useful goods other than the worthless bottom of the barrel Amanita undesirable Mushroom Gave me the direction to forcefully embrace Mythology and show you you idiots here’s what you need to be doing with this religious mythology and the good kind of mushrooms and the ego death Theory ; let me show you how to put the pieces together, you fools

in any case I became genuinely hopeful and interested in mythology and enthusiastic about identifying how religious mythology describes and depicts and the artwork depicts my ego death core theory and corroborates and confirms it because since there’s no historical Jesus to confirm and approve my theory now I need religious mythology to do that instead and so that is how my scope and vision

for my 1988 January article changed from the core theory only to open up and finally be able to reach a closure and start finally converging towards a directed fulfillment and completion of initiation by explaining Religious Mythology and Mystery religions and not just being a modern science directionless explanation of the true nature of ego Transcendence in terms of block universe experiencing

I do think I could have done that and written my main article about that without any religious Mythology , but in 2002 adding in the whole field of psychedelic myth,

I felt like by including religious mythology in my article, I could include a proof that my core theory is correct and true and is supported, given that Mr. Historical Jesus ain’t there to give a stamp of approval, I’m going to have to take another approach at getting the New Testament to corroborate my core theory since …

1998 if anything was the year of discovering no Mr Paul/Mr Peter/Mr Jesus, or maybe the year of trying to get the new testament to corroborate my core theory, and starting to realize that wasn’t going to work, and I had to better understand the genre and nature of the New Testament, ie in terms of religious Mythology.

And I felt like I had failed I was never able –

in 2002 , I was still trying and failing to write my original article as planned (lacking religious mythology)

The climactic book that came out then was the Jesus Mysteries particularly noting its attempt its wish and it’s unfulfilled wish to cover visionary plants which was not permitted by the publisher but clearly it fit very well and I’m trying to remember why I met with Freke & Gandy but I’d imagine that it had much to do with this question:

I was highly interested in asking Freke & Gandy about this passage on entheogens, and they were highly interested in discussing what happened with that and how they were blocked by the publisher.

Thanks to my 1998 website work, they were able to read my theory and my postings at the Jesus Mysteries discussion group around that time.

after that, I read Elaine Pagles first two books as well as her Gnostic gospels book which I learned about because of freaking Gandys book the Jesus Mysteries is based on Pagels’ book The Gnostic Gospels. You could say that I got from the book the Jesus Mysteries and Elaine an Pagels first three books in 2002 successfully gave me the confirmation that I wanted that I had assumed I would get from the New Testament from Mr. Jesus and Mr. Paul

but I essentially got that confirmation of my Core theory from Timothy Freke & Elaine Pagels instead of from Mr Jesus & Mr Paul.

and that really effectively explains why I changed my concept of my article for the Journal of Transpersonal Psychology so as to incorporate and integrate this other leg , so that the two legs cross-correlate each other

my core theory side-by-side with religious Mythology and the whole set of ideas which Elaine Pagels Called Gnostics Against Orthodox, and wjich Freke & Gandy relabeled as esoteric versus exoteric – Two contrasted entire sets of views, regarding no free will and mythology and personal control agency and visionary plants.

my core theory can explain all this stuff and that’s very interesting, a lot of interesting material, a lot of interesting purpose and application

so I discovered through Freke & Gandy I discovered the application of my core theory, and thus I discovered a distinction between my core theory, and that’s how my core theory (perceived as such) was born, and how my treatment of myth Theme theory was born.

answers the excellent question:

when was the distinction between my Core theory versus Mytheme theory first perceptible? Creating the myth Theme theory was born out of it was an outcome following the aftermath of my failure to get Mr. Jesus and Mr. Paul and that sort of a conception of the New Testament to corroborate my core theory which was not called the core theory in 1998;

my Phase 1, Core theory at that time 1998-2002 (prior to discovering and constructing my distinct, subsequent Phase 2, Mytheme theory), was called the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence, with no mytheme theory on the horizon in mind yet (except for Gnosis magazine & interpreting rock lyrics to map them as descriptions of this theory domain).

now, in 2002, by adding Freke & Pagels, & Heinrich & Entheos Journal, I was able to reach closure and make my core theory accomplish something definite that proves the merit of my theory, because of its ability to make sense out of and serve as an explanatory framework to explain successfully Religious Mythology.

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I keep debating & flipping back-and-forth on where to assign 1998, a transitional year, and the equally strong third argument is to split 1998 in half and include it in both phases.

there are several moderate reasons arguing for phase 1, and several moderate reasons for phase 2 assignment of 1998. I don’t think I did substantial work on the theory that year or so there’s not much to work with in trying to assign that year – though I may have done a lot of website work, of publishing my phase 1 theory that year

periodization debate: is 1998 The end of publishing the phase 1 Core theory or is it the beginning of turning attention to the myth Theme theory?

in 1998, did I do more work on the Phase 1, Core theory, or more work on the Phase 2, Mytheme theory??

I speculate and conjecture that I did more work writing up my website of the core theory including rock lyrics mapping to the altered state mental model transformation, And I was only just starting to turn my attention more to Hellenistic Mysteries and ahistoricity – but I don’t know that I had any entheogen scholarship books that year yet.

1997 is definitely part of my Core theory era , because February, I published the summary of the core, – though I probably had my vision of non-Branching labyrinth that year, which is phase 2

Similarly I feel confident about 1999 it definitely was not core theory and it definitely was phase 2 Mytheme theory.

So I have a solid argument for assigning 1997 to phase 1 , and assigning 1999 to phase 2.

most debatable and unclear and hazy is the year 1998 , transitional year:

on what basis do I assign 1998 to phase 1 versus phase 2 , when I can’t really remember and would have to investigate that year as part of my “intellectual autobiography” project i’ve been doing ever since hiatus starting 2008

the first quarter of 2008 , I realized I had severe amnesia : how the hell did I get here??

My intensive work of the period 1988 through 1997 and then 1999 through 2007 meant that when I switched gears in 2008 January, I had lost all track of how I had gotten here.

so 2008 was largely occupied with reconstructing my history and timeline.

my hiatus from posting the Egodeath Yahoo Group was jan 2008- ~Sep 2011.

One cheat that I sometimes do is I just omit 1998 from my periodization. Or equivalently, include the year in both phases.

I wish I could treat the year 1998 as more of a positive, productive, determinate thing instead of treating it like a null point, a turning point, nothing but a transition an empty nowhere, neither here nor there

really that’s probably doing a great disservice to that important year of 1998

subtracting 1998 from my life regarding Egodeath Theory Development would probably be a massive huge loss

I should really learn to treat 1998 (re: Egodeath theory devmt) as a positive thing.

what if I could have a summary of what I accomplished each month of 1998?

I would probably be singing a different tune.

and I think that that’s really the strongest argument for actually omitting 1998 from my periodization. It feels kind of dishonest including this year where as far as I know I didn’t really I was on hiatus I think it was more hiatus year but I

I have no qualms about including the (public) hiatus years of 2008 through 2010 in Phase 2 , And the content of those years is about as equally under-mapped as the year 1998.

I was not doing very much Egodeath Theory work during 1998 compared to other years as far as I can recollect – Maybe drug policy reform that year, not certain.

1998 was a huge bridge-crossing year. it feels like neither work on my phase 1, Core theory, nor work on my phase 2, Mytheme theory.

As if it was a year in which I detached from phase 1 in order to subsequently attach to phase 2.

But since I am not certain, I think it is very wise to assume that I was doing massive very important work on my egodeath site publishing my core theory that year, which would make 1998 a core theory year, not a phase 2, Mytheme theory year.

I should probably just split the difference and say and make the claim as if June 1998 equals phase 1 and July 1998 equals phase 2 🥴

an argument for ending the “Core theory” development at 1997, and beginning the metaphor mytheme Entheogens Theory in 1998

it seems a no-brainer even though you can complicate things by tracing lyric Decoding since 1991 or even 1988

and you can place the reading of gnosis magazine in the 1990s and reading the fundamentalist Dave Hunt books which veer into the mythological around 1994

And a vision of the labyrinth non-branching, in that important transition year academic year 1996 to 1997

in February 1997 posted the summary outline of the core theory, leaving the rest of 1997 unclear, but trying to remember which small few books- maybe tech gnosis by Erik Davis, and continuing to struggle to write the main article, which was finally accomplished in 2006 due to adding Mythology Religious Mythology

so in a way, I never wrote my article as conceptualized for Journal of Transpersonal Psychology as intended since January 1988. I hadn’t added Freke & Pagels, & Heinrich & Entheos journal, yet, To serve as some thing to be explained successfully by my core theory and thus serving as the confirmation that I had expected to get from Mr. Jesus and Mr. Paul

this really can be seen as the form in which I finally got that confirmation that I was looking for in 1998.

you could fairly say that 1998 was the year in which I set about to get confirmation of the Core theory, which I had summarized successfully in a complete core way outline in 1997

given that I published my successful core outline of the theory in 1997, now in 1998, I need to get the New Testament or religious mythology or something to corroborate my theory

and here is how you would put the year 1998 into the phase 2 era rather than the phase 1 core era, because in 1998, my main need or pursuit, as far as pursuing something new (while at the same time continuing to publish what I had achieved, my core theory) , my main pursuit was to go about finding confirmation in the mystery religions, and finding confirmation of the …

my main experience I remember of 1998 is not the experience of publishing (even if that’s literally what I did ) but rather, it was the experience of looking for the New Testament /Mr. Jesus/ Mr. Paul to corroborate this distinct thing, the cybernetic theory of ego transcendence.

so look very closely at the two things here: on the one hand, you have my theory (the cybernetic theory of ego transcendence ) ; and on the other hand, you have my looking for {a way to corroborate my theory}

and here you have the seed or root or beginnings of the distinction between my “phase 1, Core theory” versus my “phase 2, Mytheme theory”.

phase 2 would be the corroboration of my core theory, by virtue of the successful ability of my cybernetic theory of ego transcendence to explain this other, distinct thing; the New Testament, which is Mr. Jesus, which is Mr. Paul, which is: esoteric Religious Mythology.

My 1997 summary outline at Principia Cybernetica website was a stopgap, since every time I tried to write the main article for JTP, it blew up too big; expanding instead of converging.

like when you know that your efforts are taking you in a direction that’s, the harder you try, the more you fail.

I probably created my more real websites in 1997, containing the core theory so I should not only think of February 1997 posting at the cybernetics website but also creating my real website which would become egodeath.com containing the core theory is what I was doing through 1997.

then as I see it with the big change of context in 1998 I went to get Jesus to sign off on my cybernetic theory of ego transcendence so in the graduate library I looked up Christian Mushroom and found John King’s book commentary on John Allegro

And I’m trying to remember the context of finding entheogen scholarship about 1998, but I’m sure it must have to do with Amazon: the improving selection at Amazon and improving content there and more books being written and becoming available there.

1998 was a transitional year, and I was focused on putting together my knowledge at my websites so far – but also very much I felt that I had because I had finished the technical content of my core theory which I simply called “my theory” (the cybernetic theory of ego transcendence) (not yet “the core theory”), it’s true that I was still doing my project of writing my article stating what that technical theory is, but also, I was looking for how to have religion prove or confirm my theory (the cybernetic theory of ego transcendence; “the Core theory”, as I now distinguish Versus the ability of that theory to successfully explain something else, the domain of religious Mythology so as to cross-correlate and cross-corroborate the two distinct parts or legs.

My 1997 theory, and distinctly my 1998 effort to corroborate my 1997 theory, eventually became:

my phase 1, Core theory, and my phase 2, Mytheme theory.

my leading edge pursuit of looking in new directions my actual research beginnings of a kind of a research in 1998 genuinely genuinely the start of my phase 2, Mytheme theory research & development.

1998 was the year when I tangibly converted my knowledge into websites more than doing new research and development.

I really think it was 1999 when I settled in and reassembled my library and my study yes it seems that 1997 and 1998 we’re heavy website years while not having a personal study library and at the start of those years I published the summary of the core theory and then die then I spent much of those two years making more bigger major websites summarizing my knowledge so far rather than yeah

Rather than yet beginning a new phase of idea development in myth Theme religious Mythology and History and entheogen scholarship. & ahistoricity – 1999 seems to be the year for that when I reassembled my a study and library and then my first memories of that sweet fresh clean set up was full-fledged beginning reading entheogens scholarship books.

And then I recall doing more ahistoricity work in my subsequent library study 2003 through 2007. What I remember in my 1999 through 2003 study/ library is entheogen scholarship then religious mythology.

then in my next study/library, 2003-2007, I did some more work reading Mythology and confirming that the books of church fathers and Astrotheology and Esotericism contain the same themes of visionary plants and altered state and mythology and no free will , but my focus was a little on more ahistoricity and reformed theology and philosophy of science then, more than on entheogen scholarship & mythology. it’s hard to say because I had I was sweeping across 20 different subjects during all 3 periods:

1988 through sep 1996

1999 through mid-2003

mid-2003 through 2007

I should be posting this discussion at the Egodeath Yahoo Group thread called intellectual autobiography history or history of my intellectual biography

it’s one of those things where if you look too closely at it, the simplistic, artificially clarifying narrative falls apart and becomes problematic, and I start to see more mythology (supposedly characterizing my later, Phase 2 work) within my earlier, Phase 1 “Core theory” period.

And then if you say that description of mental models in terms of possibility Branching is core theory you could claim that I did development of the Core theory core theory in Nov 2020 – March 2021, pull along by my work in mythology, Mapping Mythology back to the Core egodeath theory and then adjusting the core theory to make it fit that mapping better

Phase 1/ Core theory=

psychedelic eternalism (incl “noncontrol”)

= 1985-1998

Phase 2/ Mytheme theory =

analogical psychedelic eternalism

= 1999-2007-2022

I am inclined to see the two years after posting my outline summary of core theory in February 1997 framing the remainder of 1997 and the year 1998 were sort of writing up my core theory in the form of a (bigger) website. I feel that I was writing my core theory still into 1998 and I strongly picture of the books strange fruit and the long trip and ahistoricity I do remember in the 1999 or 2000 period, My first spate of finding such books and scrambling to adjust my thinking, well before 2006. when I picture my 1999 study/library I am thinking of full on entheogens scholarship which contains Mythology very much the Jesus Mysteries book and strange fruit would be two very good representative books to represent the 1999 through 2001 and Ruck book textbook on Greek Mythology.

I definitely was reading entheogen books and ahistoricity in 1999, and that makes 1999 definitely phase 2 Mytheme theory era , not the phase 1 Core theory era.

in contrast I know that I was more publishing and writing up my existing core theory knowledge in 1997 and 1998 as far as I know and as far as I can remember and deduce since I don’t have

I only have one definite memory of I definitely was given a book on the Hellenistic Mysteries in 1998, and by that token (by an art history person), and based on that, you could claim that I started my phase 2 in 1998

and in 1998 I believe I was still trying to get Jesus to confirm my cybernetic theory of ego Transcendence which is core theory phase 1.

So there is not very much material to work with in trying to assign 1998 to fit within the end of phase 1 core theory publishing, versus the beginning of phase 2 Mytheme theory.

I would have to investigate some dates to really prove but I think that the strongest case is that:

in 1999, my phase 2 was very tangibly very definitely started, whereas 1998 is kind of a question mark, with just the beginnings of questioning historicity and Hellenistic mystery religions which, strangely, are not actually covered within Gnosis magazine/ theosophy worldview.