March 3, 2023, Cybermonk
Contents:
- Book Citation: Philosophy of Psychedelics (Letheby 2021)
- Website & Twitter
- cv
- Article: Self Unbound: Ego Dissolution in Psychedelic Experience (Letheby & Gerrans 2019)
- Article: Psychedelics, Atheism, and Naturalism: Myth and Reality (Letheby 2022)
- Book: Philosophical Perspectives on the Psychedelic Renaissance (Letheby & Gerrans 2023)
- Article: Philosophy and Classic Psychedelics: A Review of Some Emerging Themes (Letheby & Mattu 2022)
- Article: The Philosophy of Psychedelic Transformation (Letheby 2015)
- Videos
- Video: The Epistemic Innocence Of Psychedelic States (Breaking Convention 2017)
- Clearly States What Letheby Thinks He’s Battling Against
- Four-Layer Onion Model of the Order of Concerns of the Egodeath Theory
- Book: General Survey of Entheogen Scholarship (Hatsis, editor, 2023)
- Perpetually Off-Mission; Always Forgetting and Getting Confused About What Our Mission Is
- Importance of Selecting Right Topics for the Inner Core Focus
- Inner Core
- Outer Core
- Inner Periphery
- Outer Periphery
- Hatsis Battling Against Wrong Thing
- YouTube Description of the Video “Epistemic Innocence Of Psychedelic States”
- Video: Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality (Aug. 2022)
- Video Notes: “Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality”
- Letheby’s Focus Stops Short of Cybernetic Eternalism
- Letheby Doesn’t Focus on Mental Model of Self (in World) as Controller, and Control-Model Transformation Including Transgression Crisis Threat
- Need New Term Like ‘Cybernetic Eternalism‘
- The Unprovable Religious Metaphysical Faith-Commitment of Materialism/ Physicalism/ Naturalism
- Letheby’s Chapter in Routledge Handbook on the Philosophy of Meditation
- Chapter: Psychedelics and Meditation: A Neurophilosophical Perspective (Letheby 2022)
- Meditation Is Built on Lies to Replace Psychedelics by Fake Methods that Don’t Work
- Pretending Meditation Doesn’t Come from Psychedelics
- Pretending that Meditation Rather than Psychedelics Is the Gold Reference Standard Authority
- Another Phony Meditation Book That’s All About Psychedelics, While Deceiving and Lying and Pretending that It’s Not
- Article: “Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs (Timmermann & Letheby 2021)”, Presents Letheby’s “Metaphysical Beliefs Questionnaire” (MBQ) and Draws Some Items from FAD-Plus Questionnaire
- Matthew Johnson’s Coverage of Letheby
- Psychedelic Therapy vs. Egodeath Theory
- The Limited Range of Philosophy Positions Available to and Considered by Letheby
- Philosophy and Psychedelics: Frameworks for Exceptional Experience (Hauskeller 2022)
- Metzinger’s Journal of Philosophy and the Mind Sciences: Special Issue on Letheby’s Book
- Philosophy and the Mind Sciences, Vol. 3, 2022: Special Issue: Book Symposium: Philosophy of Psychedelics (Letheby 2021)
- Concise List of Articles in Special Issue
- Selected Articles of Special Issue, with Abstract or Commentary
- Poor Model: We Start as Materialist Physicalists, and then Psychedelics Give Delusion of Metaphysics Insight
- Actually, the Mind Starts as Possibilism-Thinking in the Possibilism Experiential Mode, then Experiences Psychedelic Eternalism, Which Produces Eternalism Thinking
- All Philosophers Are Limited to the Possibilism Framework, Including the Ordinary-State Based Misconception of Eternalism
- The Limitations of the FAD-Plus Questionnaire’s Notion of “Determinism” Is the Limitation of Letheby’s Range of Thinking
- Letheby’s Book Is Predictably 70% Bunk
- The Contributions & Shortcomings of Letheby
- The Big Pharma Psychiatry Therapy Psychedelic-Industrial Complex Brings You a Buffet of Ordinary-State Based, Pro-Reductionism “Philosophy of Psychedelics” Options, after 50% Screwing up MEQ and 90% Screwing Up CEQ
- What Metaphysical Psychedelic Enlightenment is Really About (According to the Psychedelic Industrial Complex)
- My Top 10 Critiques of Letheby (or Griftiths)
- See Also

Book Citation: Philosophy of Psychedelics (Letheby 2021)
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/philosophy-of-psychedelics-9780198843122
Philosophy of Psychedelics
Chris Letheby
October 25, 2021
https://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Psychedelics-International-Perspectives-Psychiatry/dp/0198843127/ –
Blurb:
“Recent clinical trials show that psychedelics such as LSD and psilocybin can be given safely in controlled conditions, and can cause lasting psychological benefits with one or two administrations.
“Supervised psychedelic sessions can reduce symptoms of anxiety, depression, and addiction, and improve well-being in healthy volunteers, for months or even years.
“But these benefits seem to be mediated by “mystical” experiences of cosmic consciousness, which prompts a philosophical concern:
“do psychedelics cause psychological benefits by inducing false or implausible beliefs about the metaphysical nature of reality?
“This book is the first scholarly monograph in English devoted to the philosophical analysis of psychedelic drugs.
“Its central focus is the apparent conflict between the growing use of psychedelics in psychiatry and the philosophical worldview of naturalism.
“Within the book, Letheby integrates empirical evidence and philosophical considerations in the service of a simple conclusion:
“this “Comforting Delusion Objection” to psychedelic therapy fails.
“While exotic metaphysical ideas do sometimes come up, they are not, on closer inspection, the central driver of change in psychedelic therapy.
“Psychedelics lead to lasting benefits by altering the sense of self, and changing how people relate to their own minds and lives-not by changing their beliefs about the ultimate nature of reality.
“The upshot is that a traditional conception of psychedelics as agents of insight and spirituality can be reconciled with naturalism (the philosophical position that the natural world is all there is).
“Controlled psychedelic use can lead to genuine forms of knowledge gain and spiritual growth-even if no Cosmic Consciousness or transcendent divine Reality exists.
“Philosophy of Psychedelics is an indispensable guide to the literature for researchers already engaged in the field of psychedelic psychiatry, and for researchers-especially philosophers-who want to become acquainted with this increasingly topical field.”
Psychedelic Philosophy According to the Lens of Applied Psychiatry Therapy
Remember, this book is embedded in a “psychiatry” constraint; this book is part of International Perspectives in Philosophy and Psychiatry – a series of 33 books.
This non-psychedelic, ordinary-state-based series includes a clueless literalist ordinary-state book on Sacrifice of Isaac:
“delusion is not best understood by reducing it to brain chemistry, or by insisting that it is empirically false.
“It is best understood by examining its harmful personal and moral consequences – consequences that nearly unfolded when the biblical patriarch Abraham prepared to sacrifice his son Isaac in response to a command, he thought, from God.”
Who’s the dumb, crude, ignorant one here? The late-modern scientists strike a stance of intellectual superiority, revealing themselves to be ignorant, clueless fools.
Gallery:
Article title:
Branching-Message Mushroom Trees: Psychedelic Eternalism Depicted in Medieval Art as Branching Mushrooms, Handedness, and Non-Branching
Section heading:
Sacrifice of Isaac – Genesis 22:1-19
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2023/02/16/branching-message-mushroom-trees-psychedelic-eternalism-depicted-in-medieval-art-as-branching-mushrooms-handedness-and-non-branching/#Sacrifice-of-Isaac
Website & Twitter
http://www.chrisletheby.com – the following tabs have links to his videos or publications:
Research
Talks
Outreach
https://twitter.com/chrisletheby
cv
http://users.neo.registeredsite.com/1/5/3/23442351/assets/Letheby_public_CV_Dec_2022.pdf
Article: Self Unbound: Ego Dissolution in Psychedelic Experience (Letheby & Gerrans 2019)
Self Unbound: Ego Dissolution in Psychedelic Experience
Chris Letheby & Philip Gerran
https://academic.oup.com/nc/article/2017/1/nix016/3916730
Neuroscience of Consciousness
https://dx.doi.org/10.1093/nc/nix016
Outline on left.
Abstract:
“Users of psychedelic drugs often report that their sense of being a self or ‘I’ distinct from the rest of the world has diminished or altogether dissolved.”
Mere lifting of egoic processing is what beginner newbies experience — mere ego dissolution.
In contrast, at the advanced end of the spectrum is formal transgression and sacrificial repudiation of control agency in branching world — what real mystic experiencing is about. -cm
“Neuroscientific study of such ‘ego dissolution’ experiences offers a window onto the nature of self-awareness.
“We argue that ego dissolution is best explained by an account that explains self-awareness as resulting from the integrated functioning of hierarchical predictive models which posit the existence of a stable and unchanging entity to which representations are bound. “
remind me to not use the unhelpful, barking-up-wrong-tree jargon “predictive processing”
“Combining recent work on the ‘integrative self‘ and the phenomenon of self-binding with predictive processing principles yields an explanation of ego dissolution according to which self-representation is a useful Cartesian fiction: an ultimately false representation of a simple and enduring substance to which attributes are bound which serves to integrate and unify cognitive processing across levels and domains.”
The word ‘simple’ reminds me of how I characterize the egoic, autonomous monolithic control model vs. the sophisticated, mechanism-perceiving, 2-level dependent control model.
The Whole Egoic World Is an Illusion, Not Just “the Self”
I can best Letheby in scope of explanatory lameness & inefficacy:
The egoic world is an illusion.
Cybermonk 😑 huge realization 5:51 p.m. March 4, 2023 (Earth time zone)
🤯 🤯 🤯
Song at the time during this historical breakthrough: C’mon Everybody, by UFO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsHQ-WB3Q-A&t=4670s (= 1:17:50) –
I reject “is X true, or is X false” – it’s never helpful.
Your explanation’s helpfulness is ultimately a fiction.
When the mental worldmodel gets transformed by Psilocybin from possibilism to eternalism, the entire self-in-world model is repudiated and replaced/supplemented, though the mind still employs the retained child-thinking worldmodel 24×7 forever after that.
Mushroom Gate from False World Model

The lame, Pop “self is an illusion” pseudo-explanation fails to account for the world model (possibility branching) also being replaced.
If we’re going to “explain” by labelling “x is an illusion”, we need to mark a whole lot more than just “the self” as “an illusion”.
Tree is replaced by pole.

“The self-model is not a mere narrative posit, as some have suggested; it has a more robust and ubiquitous cognitive function than that.
“But this does not mean, as others have claimed, that the self-model has the right attributes to qualify as a self.”
Why are we not talking about the world-model around the self-model? Answer: because the Psychedelic Industrial complex is in the service of merely the personal autobiographical Freud couch psychotherapy model of 1880.
I do not mean to criticize all money-making business and services, when I disparage the “psychedelic industry”.
I have specific criticisms of how MEQ & especially CEQ proceeded and produced a bait-and-switch replacement and reduced the altered state into the ordinary-state mold.
“It performs some of the right kinds of functions, but it is not the right kind of entity.
“Ego dissolution experiences reveal that the self-model plays an important binding function in cognitive processing, but the self does not exist.” 🤨
More like, “our explanation’s usefulness does not exist.”
Every 2-bit, hack know-nothing writes the exact same grandiose conclusion as the above.
“Self Does Not Exist” Is Lame, Shallow, Unhelpful, Pseudo-Explanation
Cybermonk – See my 1997 summary which makes that point.
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/30/self-control-cybernetics-dissociative-cognition-mystic-ego-death/#tveati
eg in 1997 I wrote:
“The projection of the self-image is also partly suspended. Insofar as the mind confuses the projected self-image with that part of the self which is genuine, that projected self never existed, other than a perceptual illusion, and so could not cease to exist.
“If the ego is defined strictly as the natural assumption that the mentally projected self-representation is literally oneself, then it can be said that “the ego is only an illusion”.
“But such a narrowed definition of “ego” raises the question of what to call the real cognitive structures that reliably project that illusion.
“The ego is more than just an illusion.
“It’s a large, complex, and dynamic set of mental processes, of which the deceivingly tangible mental representation is only one part.”
/ end of 1997 excerpt
The Egodeath theory never employs the construct of “the self”.
It’s poor use of lexicon.
Section heading:
Journal of Consciousness Studies Article Recommends “Avoid terms such as ‘ego dissolution’, they are too vague”
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2023/02/26/the-risks-of-vague-abstract-descriptors-like-mystical-supernaturalism-vs-scientific-naturalism/#JCS-avoid-ego-dissolution-too-vague
Symposium on Letheby and Gerrans, “Self Unbound: Ego Dissolution in Psychedelic Experience” (2019)
Symposium on Letheby and Gerrans, “Self Unbound: Ego Dissolution in Psychedelic Experience”
DANIEL BURNSTON MARCH 7, 2019
https://philosophyofbrains.com/2019/03/07/symposium-on-letheby-and-gerrans-self-unbound-ego-dissolution-in-psychedelic-experience.aspx
“This symposium is based on Chris Letheby and Philip Gerran’s fascinating paper, Self Unbound: Ego Dissolution in Psychedelic Experience.
https://academic.oup.com/nc/article/2017/1/nix016/3916730
“We have excellent commentaries from John Michael, Inês Hipólito, and Raphaël Millière. [scroll down to the expander sections within the linked philosophyofbrains page]
“These are followed by a response from Letheby and Gerrans.
“Letheby and Gerrans’ paper, “Self Unbound: Ego Dissolution in Psychedelic Experience,” combines three distinct research topics:
- the longstanding conundrum of the nature of the self,
- the predictive processing framework of perception and cognition, and
- the puzzling phenomenon of ego-dissolution during psychedelic experience.
“According to the authors, the predictive processing approach supports fictionalism about the self – the self is fundamentally an explanatory posit used by the brain to explain the unified aspects of autobiographical experience.
“But there is no unitary entity that this posit successfully refers to.
“Hence the self is a fiction.”
[Your writing and theorizing ability is a fiction. That’s a crude use of “is”.
As I wrote in my 1997 theory summary, don’t say the self is a fiction; the proper question is what’s its nature. -cm]
“Letheby and Gerrans use this account to further explain ego-dissolution, in which users of psychedelics experience a loss of their sense-of-self.”
I thought that symposium was lacking; it had nothing of Dionysus. See The Gods Bring Letheby & Metzinger to the Psilocybin Mixed-Wine Symposium Banquet below.

Article: Psychedelics, Atheism, and Naturalism: Myth and Reality (Letheby 2022)
Journal of Consciousness Studies
Issues:
https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/imp/jcs
Psychedelics, Atheism, and Naturalism: Myth and Reality
Chris Letheby
2022
Journal of Consciousness Studies, Volume 29, Numbers 7-8, 2022, pp. 69-92(24)
https://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/imp/jcs/2022/00000029/f0020007/art00005
DOI: https://doi.org/10.53765/20512201.29.7.069
Abstract:
“An emerging body of research suggests that psychedelic experiences can change users’ religious or metaphysical beliefs.
“Here I explore issues concerning psychedelic-induced belief change via a critique of some recent arguments by Wayne Glausser.
“Two scientific studies seem to show that psychedelic experiences can convert atheists to belief in God,
[perhaps he means: some say “the mechanism by which psychedelic therapy works: you have to experience and believe that mental constructs and spirit-world entities self-exist, independently from the physical material plane”]
“but Glausser holds that academic and popular discussions of these studies are misleading.
“I offer a different analysis of the relevant findings, attempting to preserve the insights of Glausser’s critique while setting the record straight on some important points.
“For one thing, the studies provide stronger evidence for atheist ‘deconversion’ than Glausser allows.
“For another, Glausser’s arguments against the ‘Metaphysical Belief Theory’ of psychedelic therapy involve scientifically dubious claims and inferences.”
“Finally, in evaluating this theory, we ought to focus on its strongest version, which posits belief shifts from metaphysical naturalism to nonnaturalism, rather than from atheism to classical monotheism.”
Book: Philosophical Perspectives on the Psychedelic Renaissance (Letheby & Gerrans 2023)
Philosophical Perspectives on the Psychedelic Renaissance
Chris Letheby, C. and Gerrans, P., eds., 2023. Oxford University Press.
Search:
“Philosophical Perspectives on the Psychedelic Renaissance” Letheby
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Philosophical+Perspectives+on+the+Psychedelic+Renaissance%22+Letheby
No abstract yet as of March 4, 2023:
https://philpapers.org/rec/LETPPO
Category of that book/entry:
Phil Papers .org > Philosophy of Cognitive Science > Drugs and Consciousness – 86 entries
Article: Philosophy and Classic Psychedelics: A Review of Some Emerging Themes (Letheby & Mattu 2022)
Philosophy and classic psychedelics: a review of some emerging themes
Letheby, C. and Mattu, J.
2022
Journal of Psychedelic Studies 5(3): 166–175.
Philosophy and classic psychedelics: A review of some emerging themes.
Chris Letheby & Jaipreet Mattu– Journal of Psychedelic Studies.
https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2054/5/3/article-p166.xml
“Serotonergic (or “classic”) psychedelics have struck many researchers as raising significant philosophical questions that, until recently, were largely unexplored by academic philosophers.
“This paper provides an overview of four emerging lines of research at the intersection of academic philosophy and psychedelic science that have gained considerable traction in the last decade:
- selfless consciousness
- psychedelic epistemology
- psychedelic ethics
- spiritual/religious naturalism
“In this paper, we highlight philosophical questions concerning
(i) psychedelics, self-consciousness, and phenomenal consciousness,
(ii) the epistemic profile of the psychedelic experience;
(iii) ethical concerns about the appropriate use of psychedelics; and
(iv) whether spiritual or religious dimensions of psychedelic use are compatible with a naturalistic worldview.”
Video title:
Chris Letheby: Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality
August 22, 2022
Channel: WystanTBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXfsils1hM – timestamps and commentary are below; eg find “wy”.
According to that video, Letheby’s “naturalism” means: no mental constructs exist without an underlying brain.
First the brain evolved, and later it produced mental constructs.
Article: The Philosophy of Psychedelic Transformation (Letheby 2015)
The Philosophy of Psychedelic Transformation
Chris Letheby
2015
Journal of Consciousness Studies
https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/imp/jcs/2015/00000022/f0020009/art00011
Post-print (author’s accepted manuscript):
http://users.neo.registeredsite.com/1/5/3/23442351/assets/PPT_postprint72495.pdf
Abstract:
“Recent scientific research into the therapeutic potential and mechanisms of psychedelic drugs raises intriguing and hitherto largely unexplored philosophical questions.”
(except for the past 10,000 years)
“A brief overview of the relevant science is given before addressing these questions.
“It is argued that psychedelic transformation is a distinctive psycho- pharmacological intervention because its mechanism of action ineliminably involves conscious mental representations, and thus is more transparent [read “not perceptible”] to the subject than the mechanisms of other drug therapies.”
In this topic, “transparent” means non-perceptible; non- meta-perception; naive realism.
“This argument connects with issues in the philosophy of (cognitive) scientific explanation.
“It is also argued that transformative psychedelic experiences may well confer three distinct kinds of epistemic benefits:
- Knowledge by acquaintance of the subject’s psychological potential.
- Knowledge by acquaintance of the meta-physical nature of the (sense of) self.
- Revitalized capacities for the acquisition of modal knowledge.
“Non-naturalistic metaphysical and epistemological claims abound in psychedelic circles;
“thus, it is important to realize that psychedelics may yield naturalistically acceptable epistemic benefits.”
The Supernatural Egodeath Revelation
url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kusyUCtaY-M
Is the Theory of Psychedelic Cybernetic Eternalism “Non-naturalistic metaphysical and epistemological claims“??
The Egodeath theory says the mind’s mental model transforms from possibilism to eternalism.
Cybernetic eternalism (along with superdeterminism in Physics) is not to be confused with FAD-Plus q’air’s “fatalistic determinism” (which term Letheby and then Matthew Johnson use).
The FAD-Plus instrument lacks the psychedelic-state experiential mode concept of cybernetic eternalism, even though cybernetic eternalism is the most characteristic “effect” of Psilocybin.
The most characteristic and remarkable “effect” of Psilocybin is cybernetic eternalism — yet FAD-Plus, CEQ, and Letheby, and everyone, lacks the concept of cybernetic eternalism, which is the central spotlight topic of the Egodeath theory, Egodeath.com.
Ego death is through experiencing cybernetic eternalism.
Cybernetic eternalism has nothing to do with “fatalistic determinism”, as revealed by the wording of the 5 questions in that subscale of the FAD-Plus instrument.
The FAD items’ wording assumes domino-chain causality and non-existing future, in fine egoic possibilism fashion, just like every flavor of metaphysics on offer in Paulhus’ 1-dimensional Devil’s buffet of offerings.
Every standard, familiar, classroom-debate, ordinary-state, textbook cliche position is made available to you by Letheby, straight out of this ordinary-state FAD instrument.
No matter which egoic freewill or egoic determinism metaphysics brand model you pick, the {dragon shadow monster} wins.
It’s ok, go see Griftiths at Hopkins for some psychedelic Grief psychotherapy using the CEQ. 😊👍 they’ve got almost all contingencies covered – everything you could imagine, in the ordinary state:
Familiar-sounding “Grief”; vague “fear”, and… that’s about it.

FAD-Plus: Free Will and Determinism Questionnaire (Paulhus 2011)
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2023/03/03/fad-plus-free-will-and-determinism-questionnaire-paulhus-2011/

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10551125c/f134.item.zoom#
Crop by Cybermonk Jan. 9, 2023.
Erik Davis understands cybernetic eternalism (Led Zeppelin 4 p 118 & 122).
The difference between naturalistic & non-naturalistic is __.
Videos
Search YouTube for his vids:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Chris+Letheby
Videos at Talks Page at ChrisLetheby.com
http://www.chrisletheby.com > Talks (YouTube videos) –
• 2021. Philosophy of psychedelics
Live-streamed for the Garden States Microdose webcast series run by Entheogenesis Australis.
• 2021. Psychedelics and meditation: a neurophilosophical perspective
Delivered at the Altered States workshop series run by the Perth chapter of the Australian Psychedelic Society.
For his book chapter with the same title as the video lecture, see section
Chapter: Psychedelics and Meditation: A Neurophilosophical Perspective (Letheby 2022) in the present page.
• 2021. Philosophy of psychedelics
Live-streamed for the Emerging Minds Colloquium run by the Rotman Institute of Philosophy.
• 2020. Naturalizing psychedelic epistemology
Invited keynote presentation at the annual Australasian Postgraduate Philosophy Conference. Delivered online via Zoom.
• 2019. Psychedelic therapy and philosophical naturalism
Delivered at #INSIGHT2019, the biennial conference of the MIND Foundation: European Foundation for Psychedelic Science, in Berlin.
• 2017. The varieties of psychedelic epistemology
Delivered at the Entheogenesis Australis symposium in Eildon, Victoria.
• 2017. The epistemic innocence of psychedelic states
Delivered at Breaking Convention: The Fourth International Conference on Psychedelic Consciousness.
• 2015. Naturalizing psychedelic spirituality
Delivered at the University of Adelaide final of the Three Minute Thesis competition.
Video: The Epistemic Innocence Of Psychedelic States (Breaking Convention 2017)
Entry at his website “Talks” page:
2017. The epistemic innocence of psychedelic states
Delivered at Breaking Convention: The Fourth International Conference on Psychedelic Consciousness.
YouTube title:
Chris Letheby – The Epistemic Innocence Of Psychedelic States
Channel: Breaking Convention
Upload date: July 6, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxft3z64cvQ
Filmed at Breaking Convention 2017 – 4th International Conference on Psychedelic Consciousness.
University of Greenwich London, June 30, 2017 – July 2, 2017
Clearly States What Letheby Thinks He’s Battling Against
In this video it’s clear that Chris Letheby thinks he’s battling against this idea:
“I experienced meta-perception, therefore mental constructs & consciousness/ awareness exist, but the referent external material physical world doesn’t exist. Consciousness is primary.”
Chris Letheby says Science means assuming that first, the material physical realm existed, then later it produced the epiphenomenon of mental constructs and awareness.
Chris Letheby argues that mental constructs and awareness would stop existing if the physical material realm were removed.
He says Science requires believing that first the physical material realm exists, and that only secondarily and dependently, mental constructs are awareness exist.
It will be interesting to see his planned TOC, which will be broader than just his speciality area topic of Epistemology:
Book: Philosophical Perspectives on the Psychedelic Renaissance (Letheby & Gerrans 2023)
Four-Layer Onion Model of the Order of Concerns of the Egodeath Theory
A major/key topic; important. See posts in the Egodeath Yahoo Group. I’m always doing quick summary sketches of this perspective, never officially writing an article to fix these topic-assignments determinately.
The Egodeath theory is not centered on Letheby’s battle/concern.
Letheby tends to conflate his Epistemology concern with the center of Philosophy of Psychedelics.
Letheby overestimates that the actual centrality of the topic of this Epist. topic. According to letheby’s narrative, everyone is always asserting that what psychedelics reveal — the big revelation of psycyehdelics that Huxley & A Watts assert (if Letheby’s assessment is to be believed) is that mental constructs + awareness is primary, and material physical plane is not.
Do I assert that the existence of mental constructs is primary? Yes but not in the sense he says.
I would not let Letheby represent my view here; he would misrepresent my view.
My point is not that mental … for me it’s a means to an end, to say mental constructs are what we primarily experience, in terms of Phenomenology.
Phenomenology, mental constructs are important, and brain neuroscience is not important or appropriate/ effective here, so any explanation of the main effect of Psilocybin must be in terms of mental construct processing, NOT in terms of Neuroscience.
I insist that my “loose cognitive binding” is the right approach, and “Neuroplasticity” prevents relevant comprehension of how psychedelic transformation of mental world model works.
Given that our real goal is to make a successful explanatory framework of what Transcendent Knowledge and ego transcendence is really about, we MUST form such explanatory framework in terms of Cognitive Phenomenology, NOT in reductionist (loses the essence, fails as explanation) terms of neuroscience/ brain.
Reductionism is not about vertical, it’s about wrong domain. when you explain domain A by preetning pretending that it’s domain B, that’s reductionism. Reductionism is a failure to engage the actual domain in question.
We need a scientific theory of how cognition works. Cognitive Neuro-Reductionism is when you pretend to explain dynamics that are in the cog domain, via a theory which is entirely situated in the Neuro domain instead.
A theory that’s in the Neuro/brain domain can ONLY explain the things in the neuro-brain domain, and CANNOT explain the things in the Cognitive domain.
Religious mental worldmodel transformation resides in the cognitive domain, therefore an actual Scientific explanatory model of religious mental worldmodel transformation must be in terms of a Cognitive-realm explanation.
A Neuro based model is instantly automatically a category error and can only produce error and confusion, irrelevance, and the shadow dragon monster continues to rule and control the field and we remain crude misunderstanders, opposite of Scientific understanding.
You CANNOT explain ego transcendence in terms of neuroscience; you MUST explain ego transcendence in terms of COG PHENY.
I can see how Hatsis can get himself permanently confused about what we’re debating about.
It can *seem* like what I care about is Secret Christian Amanita Cult & “Allegro’s theory”, but the grain of truth there will completely mislead you. It is merely an INCIDENTAL, minor overlap, between the Egodeath theory & “the Allegro theory”.
In no real way is the Egodeath theory project the same project as “the Allegro project”.
I can see how Letheby can get himself permanently confused about what we’re debating about.
It can *seem* like what I care about is whether what primarily exists is mental constructs or brain, but the grain of truth there will completely mislead you.
In no real way is the Egodeath theory project the same project as the “Cosmic Consciousness / primacy of existence of consciousness” project. Don’t I assert that, as Letheby thinks, b/c Huxley asserts “the perennial philsohpy” and I assert a “perennial model of mental transformation”?
No; even if there is a “perennialism”-like aspect of the Egodeath theory, in no way is the Egodeath theory “about” the primacy of existence of mental constructs rather than brain.
(And I have to check whether Huxley asserts primacy of consciousness as Letheby claims Huxley asserts – isn’t this just Letheby projecting HIS own topic-fixation onto Huxley?)
According to Letcher Hatsis, the entire field of entheogen scholarship is all about asserting Secret Christian Amanita Cult. Is it true? Unfortunately, due to the mis-leadership of Wasson, Allegro, Ruck, Heinrich, Irvin, and Rush, alas is is true that (per the Amanita Primacy Fallacy) the field of entheogen scholarship is grotestquely obscenely overly driven and organized around the premise of Secret Christian Amanita Cult. But Hatsis just perpetuates that problem, he doesn’t offer a way out of the trap.
Hatsis insists that all debate must remain trapped within the Allegro-defined options for eternity, locking the calendar at 1970 forever.
“You guys are not allowed to leave your Allegro-created world of options that you came from” (massive projection by Hatsis the #1 Allegro fanboy; the Egodeath theory came 0% from Allegro — or from Wasson [looking at you, John Lash]).
It’s not merely extreme strawmanning by Hatsis; more cuttingly, this is extreme PROJECTION from Hatsis.
Hatsis is greatly saddened when you “leave” Allegro-world (as if the Egodeath theory ever came from the Allegro world). In Hatsis’ confused mind, you must reify Allegro’s greatness by couching everything in terms of “Allegro’s theory”.
John Lash’s mis-focused thinking is very similar as Hatsis (same fallacy, same projection): you are assumed and expected to reify Wasson’s greatness by couching everything in terms of “the Wasson theory”.
In Lash’s confused thinking, to do entheogen scholarship is to debate & investigate “the Wasson theory” or “Wasson’s theory”, which is about “psychomimetics“[sic!!! 😵 😵 🤡] which are desirable because they “mimic the mind” (you don’t believe me, that Lash writes such basic ignorant nonsense? don’t make me bust out my photos of Lash’s 2nd edition of his book Not In His Image, again).
In Letheby’s mind, to write about “Philosophy of Psychedelics” (new book TOC: Psychedelic Renaissance) is to debate the psychedelic assertion, which is that consciousnes is primary, rather than phycial material brain.
Can you imagine a multi-author book that surveys entheogen scholarship edited by Hatsis? toc:
Book: General Survey of Entheogen Scholarship (Hatsis, editor, 2023)
- Chapter 1. Ruck’s position re: Plaincourault/ Allegro/ Secret Christian Amanita Cult
- Chapter 2. Irvin’s position re: Plaincourault/ Allegro/ Secret Christian Amanita Cult
- Chapter 3. Browns’s position re: Plaincourault/ Allegro/ Secret Christian Amanita Cult
- Chapter 4. John Rush’s position re: Plaincourault/ Allegro/ Secret Christian Amanita Cult
- Chapter 5. Heinrich’s position re: Plaincourault/ Allegro/ Secret Christian Amanita Cult
- …
- Chapter 10. My Methodology Is the Best Ever, because I am not a web researcher.
- Conclusion/Summary: I am a REAL HISTORIAN, not like those Discipliueai Allegroiae (that’s Latin 😑) web blog writers
Reading Allegro Again (Hatsis 2015)
continuing from above:
I assert that that an authentic successful Scientific explanation of Psychedelics effects MUST be grounded in the domain of Cognitive Phen’y, NOT residing in the domain of Neuroscience, not because I care about asserting that cognition is what primarily exists; I DON’T CARE WHETHER COGNITION OR BRAIN PRIMARILY EXISTS!
Any explanation of the Cognitive Experiential & Mental Model domain in terms of Neuroscience domain is instantly inherently reduction and thus pseudoscience.
As the #1 cheerleader for Psilocybin, I am necessarily the #1 enemy of Meditation.
As the #1 cheerleader for Psilocybin, I am necessarily the #1 enemy of Amanita.
As the #1 cheerleader for true, actual, bona fide Cognitive Science, I am necessarily the #1 enemy of Neuroscience.
The only other option is that the phony reductionism continues, Cognitive Neuro-Reductionism, which is inherently a failure, irrelevant, useless and pseudoscience.
Neuroscience doesn’t explain cognition; Neuroscience explains away Cognition, it sub….
It’s the ol’ “substitute –> replace –> eliminate” strategy.
Neuroscience, claiming to explain Cognitive, is nothing but a way of ELIMINATING Cognition.
CEQ, claiming to outdo OAV’s Dread, actually REPLACES Dread effects by Grief ordinary-state treatment instead.
WE NEED A DIVORCE BETWEEN COG SCI AND NEUROSCI; NEUROSCIENCE IS KILLING (preventing) COG SCI.
Down with Neuroscience; up with Loose Cognitive Science.
Down with Amanita; up with Psilocybin.
Down with “Secret Christian Amanita Cult yes or no”; up with “To what extent Psilocybin in Western?“
Down with “Is mental constructs + awareness primary or is brain what primarily exists?”; up with “Explain control-related mental model transformation“.
It is a zero-sum game. Amanita refuses to share, and won’t give up its throne it falsely has been enthroned upon.
Down with the Meditationism religious worldview cult ideology & value system.
Warning: when you agree to “meditation”, you are actually agreeing to a huge entire false worldview, not just literally meditation.
The word ‘meditation’ in practice is a very loaded word, a bait & switch, a huge paradigm going way way beyond literal meditation.
What I care about is appropriately usefully explaining what ego transcendence is really about, and that is the mental model of personal control in world.
I came from trying to debug personal cross-time control integrity (1985-1987), so, that experience and mental operation is important: the objective is to explain malfunction in operating the mind.
Perpetually Off-Mission; Always Forgetting and Getting Confused About What Our Mission Is
We’re all on the wrong mission all the time, always forgetting our mission, what objective we’re trying to investigate & reach. Always perpetually off-mission.
And also bad trip treat of control seizure, ego death experience, is important and must figure centrally in any explanation of Psychedelic Medieval ancient art that describes religious transformation.
The actual purpose of myth is to describe mental model transformation in the Psilocybin state, so my theory of mental model transformation must / can prove itself by its ability to explain myth.
Myth confirms the psychedelic cybernetic eternalism Theory, & v.v.; the Theory explains myth (2-way support; two legs hold the theory up).
Explaining myth is an important requirement, to describe mental model transformation — all about subjective relevant experience.
The Egodeath theory is an explanation of change of experience.
The topic of whether experience or brain is the primary existent thing, is unhelpful; it is actively harmful of a focus, and that focus can only produce irrelvant failed confusion.
You cannot construct a successful theory of mental transformation that’s grounded in brain neuroscience, that is reductionism ie it omits the subject matter rather than fulfilling the requirement to explain the subject matter.
What ego transcendence is really about is transforming the mental model of control-in world — that is my care, my concern, my well-formed appropraite successful Scientific explanatory model/ framework.
That explanation MUST be in terms of cognitive phenomenology, NOT in terms of brain neuroscience.
… in the 4-layer onion model, the concerns of the Egodeath theory are: (this is not set in stone, just an example):
Importance of Selecting Right Topics for the Inner Core Focus
A huge part of my work is to shift the spotlight, move the center of the cosmos from earth to sun, from Amanita to Psilocybin, from psychedelic metaperception to control-model transformation.
I correctly identify what’s most important & relevant.
I don’t unconsciously project my sense of what’s important to debate/ investigate onto other people.
My focus is well justified for multiple reasons.
Evidence + Reason shows that in fact what’s most important is transformation from possibilism to eternalism including control model transformation.
In contrast, Hatsis unconsciously projects — he wrongly assumes that everyone else thinks the most important thing to debate is “yes/no Secret Christian Amanita Cult”.
Hatsis is partly right that ppl focus on Secret Christian Amanita Cult and treat that as the central topic of concern.
Letheby unconsciously projects — he wrongly assumes that everyone else thinks the most important thing to debate is “yes/no: is mental constructs + awareness primary, or is external naturalistic physical material realm primary?”
Letheby is partly right that ppl focus on “do only mental constructs + awareness exist/ exist in themselves as Primary” and treat that as the central topic of concern.
Letheby’s mis-focus is complicated by the fact that the whole field of Psychedelic Science misconceives “Mystical Experience” along Stacean lines.
Inner Core
transformative bad trips: threatened to death, how does that work to drive transformation from possibilism to eternalism?
non-branching block universe cancels egoic freewill steering power & agency.
how the mental model transforms from possibilism to eternalism.
My 1997 core theory spec
My August 1988 handwritten Minnesota draft 1 expressing Jan 1988 breakthrough combining
block-universe eternalism,
mental model transformation, [Metzinger is mediocre here, and Letheby is very weak here] – they wrongly think the big reveal here is metaperception, the fact of virtual mental world model constructivism. Actually control transformation is the central relevant reveal/ USEFUL HELPFUL significance.
loose mental functioning binding.
Outer Core
entheogen scholarship re: Psilocybin in Western history.
how myth is analogy describing psychedelic effects especially transformation from possibilism to eternalism.
To ‘decode’ a mytheme is to identify how a specific mytheme describes and is shaped like (analogous to) specific features of Psilocybin experiencing — complicated by network relations among mythemes.
How mushroom motifs and handedness and nonbranching are analogous to transformation from possibilism to eternalism. Modelling metaperception.
Inner Periphery
STEM as the right way to explain cognitive transformation.
Approach/ domain of expressing explanatory fwk: Pro-Cognitive, Anti-Neuroscience.
broad entheogen scholarship, greedy/broad full pharmacopeia in world religious history.
Physics: Superdeterminism, nonlocal hidden variables.
Reformed Theology.
world religious mythology
Full repeal of the schedules and Psilocybin prohibition.
Proving central presence of Psilocybin in Greek & Christian.
Outer Periphery
yes/no: Secret Christian Amanita Cult? [for Letcher Hatsis, this is the Inner Core concern]
Ahistoricity of Jesus?
Subtract 700 years (sun-revolutions) between year “1” and year “2000”? Chronology revision per Edwin Johnson 1895.
Does the referent material external physical world exist, or is mental constructs & awareness primary & self-existing. [for Letheby, this is the Inner Core concern, and defines the central concern of Psychedelics] Epistemology.
Hatsis Battling Against Wrong Thing
Thomas “Stuck in 1970” Hatsis thinks of himself as battling against “the Secret Christian Amanita Cult theory”.
I battle against the Amanita Primacy Fallacy, which overlaps with Hatsis’ target.
Hatsis’ target is not entirely fabricated by him, but he fixates and reifies & perpetuates a misplaced and malformed spotlight target.
It’s an unproductive and harmful, confusion-increasing angle of analysis.
We should not define our work in terms of debating whether Secret Christian Amanita Cult existed or did not exist.
That focus on, and framing investigation in terms of “Yes/no, was there a Secret Christian Amanita Cult?” is harmful, because it replaces the relevant, profitable topic of debate/ investigation/ discussion, which needs to be the topic of:
“To what extent Psilocybin in Western religion?”
Allegro has only a negative type of relevance for this important topic.
In 2006, I wrote a 64-page article about how the field took a wrong, Allegro-fixated turn, and needs to JUMP back to remembering its mission.
Irvin didn’t hear my message, though maybe my balanced judgement on Allegro planted the seeds for Irvin to around 2012 move from an Allegro-centered Gnostic Media branding to Logos Media branding.
side curiosity: It’s easy to use domain names to drive discussion of how Jan Irvin developed his intellectual branding, so did Hatsis, so did I in some sense.
I have yet to critique & analyze what the concept of “ego death” means & doesn’t mean, in the Egodeath theory. My website domains:
- http://www.best.com/~archangl ~1994
- CybTrans.com ~1995 (cybernetic transcendence)
- Egodeath.com ~1998-2007
- Egodeath Yahoo Group (groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath) 2001-2019
- EgodeathTheory.WordPress.com ~2016/2020
The field lost its way, forgot its mission, got derailed onto a dead-end side track — that that problem, against Hatsis’ strategy, will NOT be fixed by endlessly perpetuating that same wrong framework of investigation and discussion.
My purpose of writing about Allegro was a call to move AWAY from Allegro and JUMP back to our remembered mission and question. Be careful about what we imaging ourselves to be interested in debating about.
YouTube Description of the Video “Epistemic Innocence Of Psychedelic States”
YouTube title:
Chris Letheby – The Epistemic Innocence Of Psychedelic States
Channel: Breaking Convention
Upload date: July 6, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxft3z64cvQ
Filmed at Breaking Convention 2017 – 4th International Conference on Psychedelic Consciousness.
University of Greenwich London, June 30, 2017 – July 2, 2017
Description at YouTube:
“One recent development in epistemology, the philosophical study of knowledge, is the notion of ‘epistemic innocence’ introduced by Bortolotti and colleagues.
“This concept expresses the idea that certain suboptimal cognitive processes may nonetheless have epistemic (knowledge-related) benefits.
“The idea that delusion or confabulation may have psychological benefits is familiar enough.
“What is novel and interesting is the idea that such conditions may also yield significant and otherwise unavailable epistemic benefits.
“I apply the notion of epistemic innocence to research on the transformative potential of psychedelic drugs.
“The popular epithet ‘hallucinogen’ exemplifies a view of these substances as fundamentally epistemically detrimental.
“I argue that the picture is more complicated and that some psychedelic states can be epistemically innocent.
“This conclusion is highly relevant to policy debates about psychedelic therapy.
“Moreover, analysing the case of psychedelics can shed further light on the concept of epistemic innocence itself.”
/ end of YouTube description
Video: Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality (Aug. 2022)
Video title:
Chris Letheby: Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality
August 22, 2022
Channel: WystanTBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXfsils1hM – timestamps & my commentary below; eg find “wy”.
This is a good video to quickly accurately get where Letheby is coming from, his contributions & limitations, how he agrees/ disagrees/ overlaps partly with the Egodeath theory (the Theory of Psychedelic Cybernetic Eternalism; the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence).
This video is good and clear and succinct showing what his position is and how it overlaps with the beginner part of the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence.
Description:
“Chris discusses the contents of his excellent book, Philosophy of Psychedelics, wherein he defends a naturalistic account of the epistemic, therapeutic, and spiritual benefits of psychedelics, and [Stacean mis-conceptualized] mystical-type experiences of unselfing.
[… where ‘self’ is considered spatially and as mental model representation, BUT NOT as control agent transformed model]
“You can find Chris at his website here:
http://www.chrisletheby.com
and on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/chrisletheby
“His book, the Philosophy of Psychedelics:
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/philosophy-of-psychedelics-9780198843122
and the Routledge Handbook on the Philosophy of Meditation, to which Letheby contributed:
https://www.routledge.com/Routledge-Handbook-on-the-Philosophy-of-Meditation/Repetti/p/book/9780367647469
“I mentor meditation in Shinzen Young’s Unified Mindfulness system. If that or any of my ambling thoughts in long-form are of interest to you, you can check out my own website:
https://www.wystantbs.com
and Twitter:
https://twitter.com/WystanTBS
/ end of Description from the video
Video Notes: “Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality”
Video title:
Chris Letheby: Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality
August 22, 2022
Channel: WystanTBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXfsils1hM – My commentary/ paraphrasing begins here.
Find eg “wy” below, for more timestamps and long commentary over the next sections.
[4:00] Letheby: “My approach is an Epistemological approach; epistemological issues is what I’ve concentrated on the most”
[10:00] “It’s hard to define ‘material’ & ‘physical’, my ‘naturalism’ position means means no belief in God or gods, no disembodied minds, no spirit world, no God, no gods.”
Letheby especially/ specifically means he rejects the existence of God or any god or spirit entity as a cognitive-only entity existing in disembodied realm of mental constructs/ consciousness-only.
ha ha Letheby would have NO OBJECTION to a purely physical, material God!
Letheby has no objection to the existence of physical, material demons.
Letheby only rejects immaterial demons that exist without physical bodies.
Video title:
Chris Letheby: Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality
August 22, 2022
Channel: WystanTBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXfsils1hM – My commentary/ paraphrasing continues:
[20:00] “belief in God or gods is the same delusion as believing that only consciousness exists”
Cite Michael Pollan’s heavily cited NYT article “comforting delusion”, the term is NOT from Pollan’s book How to Change Your Mind.
Search:
https://www.google.com/search?q=michael+pollan+new+york+times+comforting+delusion
Letheby praises/agrees with/ follows Pollan & Metzinger.
I question whether Letheby’s concern about whether the physical realm “exists” or “doesn’t exist” is an adequate range of options. I say, what more matters, is the sense in which the material word exists (the referent of mental constructs; the alleged referent of the mind’s projected virtual world).
Like the dumb debate “does God exist yes or no”, it is DUMB to debate “the referent material world does it exist yes or no”.
A stupid “yes” and a stupid “no” are NOT necessarily the only options (against Letheby). I advocate agnosticism about existence of the referent world behind the mind’s wall of representation.
See my 1996 article Bubble of Simulation, well before Metzinger’s books, and probably more adequately broad than his books.
The Bubble of Simulation: Subjective Experience as a Virtual Environment
http://egodeath.com/BubbleOfSimulation.htm
Letheby only is concerned & bothered about the psychedelic experiential report claim that “only consciousness exists”.
Letheby ought to be concerned about the MORE URGENTLY RELEVANT topic of transformation of the personal control model from possibilism to eternalism.
Video title:
Chris Letheby: Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality
August 22, 2022
Channel: WystanTBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXfsils1hM – My commentary/ paraphrasing continues:
[26:00] “The change of sense of self is the real mechanism of therapy’s effectiveness, not the metaphysical deluded claim that only consciousness exists”. Letheby sees psychonauts claiming “I experienced metaperception; therefore, only consciousness exists”, and he overreacts by claiming (I say he is just GUESSING on HIS RELIGIOUS ARTICLE OF FAITH) that the referent world exists.
More timestamps & long commentary below, eg. find “wy”.
Letheby’s Focus Stops Short of Cybernetic Eternalism
Letheby Doesn’t Focus on Mental Model of Self (in World) as Controller, and Control-Model Transformation Including Transgression Crisis Threat
Letheby operates in same ordinary-state spirituality model as everyone else, so he has the same limitation as eg the 1988 Journal of Transpersonal Psychology that I contrasted my Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence against.
Need New Term Like ‘Cybernetic Eternalism‘
the Theory of Psychedelic Cybernetic Eternalism
A term I’m needing and developing:
Cyber-Eternalism
Cybernetic Eternalism
the Theory of Psychedelic Cybernetic Eternalism.
Control problematizing/ control transgression, and control transformation.
The Unprovable Religious Metaphysical Faith-Commitment of Materialism/ Physicalism/ Naturalism
The External World Exists Because I Guess and Have Faith that It Does, and You Are Deluded to Not So Guess and Commit Along with Me (and This Is the Topic of Ultimate Concern)
The “naturalistic science” materialism/physicalism advocates/ apostles such as Letheby & Matthew Johnson GUESS and proselytize, with baseless (so all the more fervent) assertions that the external world exists.
As if that’s the most important, central topic in Philosophy of Psychedelics.
Letheby’s position is an article of religious faith, and is Guessing; doctrinaire commitment to a guess/speculation.
The Egodeath theory is the cybernetic theory of ego transcendence.
The central, driving focus of the Egodeath theory is on control stability and instability driving mental model transformation.
Video title:
Chris Letheby: Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality
August 22, 2022
Channel: WystanTBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXfsils1hM – My commentary/ paraphrasing continues:
[36:00] Letheby says “different aspects of the mind’s modelling of the self” — what are these limited aspects, his shortcomings, he fails to consider the MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS of modelling the self: I focus on one aspect as most important: control stability-driven transformation.
Letheby thinks we are debating whether only mental representations exist; he wrongly things that that is the main, central topic of dispute.
Similarly, Thomas Hatsis says that the main, driving, central contention is whether Jesus is a mushroom or not; esp: whether there was a Secret Amanita Christian Cult or not.
Letcher Hatsis is going to write an entire book — like his first book, Shroom — devoted to that specific topic, firmly disproving what he wrongly thinks is the most important topic in the whole field of entheogen scholarship: proving that there’s no evidence for a Secret Amanita Christian Cult.
How important to the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence is the topic of “whether or not there was a Secret Amanita Christian Cult“?
Not at all (or, even better: negatively so), since I would never write (or think) along those lines, and I only write on that topic in order to tell people to stop thinking along those lines.
The worst thing we can do is discuss whether or not there was a Secret Amanita Christian Cult“.
We urgently NEED to trashcan that harmful, irrelevant, confused pseudo-topic, and discuss instead, the real topic: to what extent Psilocybin in Western history?
I have NEVER been debating “whether there was a Secret Amanita Christian Cult or not”; and I say people must stop putting that debate as the spotlight topic.
We need to instead, simply ask:
To what extent Psilocybin in Western religion?
THAT well-formed question should be the spotlight target.
Discussion that’s emphatically and expressly conducted in terms of “whether or not there was a Secret Amanita Christian Cult” is harmful; it prevents addressing the vastly more profitable and relevant question: To what extent Psilocybin in Western religion?
Similarly, Letheby assumes we should aim the debate spotlight on whether only the material world exists, or whether only consciousness exists.
Letheby’s spotlight of focus is mis-aimed.
Letheby thinks deluded people experience metaperception and then they wrongly conclude “therefore only consciousness exists” — that is the windmill he’s tilting against (like Hatsis, he’s not entirely wrong – but he’s mis-aiming the spotlight.)
Letheby is trying to redirect that argument that psychonauts make; Letheby is trying to tell psychonauts:
“YES, metaperception is the case/ how cognition works; YES the mind constructs / projects virtual world, but NEVERTHELESS, you are deluded if you conclude from that that ONLY the mental construct realm exists.”
“We MUST BE SCIENTIFIC NATURALIST PHYSICALIST MATERIALIST and HAVE FAITH and guess and suppose and make it our definition of Science and Rationality to guess that — AND COMMIT TO — the model that where mental constructs come from is material physical neuroscience; the physical brain.”
Letheby and Johnson believe that it’s impossible to do Science unless you commit to this article of metaphysical faith, that the source/producer of mental constructs is the material, “naturalism”, physical, brain; it is impossible to do Science if you leap from “I experienced metaperception” to “only mental constructs exist”.
For the record:
I HAVE NEVER ASSERTED THAT ONLY MENTAL CONSTRUCTS EXIST.
The only kind of thing that we can know exists is mental constructs, eg. the immediately present mental constructs in the present spacetime bubble.
That’s all that we can ever directly perceive: the wall of mental constructs as representations projecting an alleged external material physical world.
Not that this this should be considered the main spotlight debate, but:
Letheby cannot possibly have a single shred of evidence that the physical brain exists, as a referent of mental constructs.
Letheby name-calls and pressures people and insults them (“deluded”), based on his adopted article of FAITH COMMITMENT to the SPECULATION that the brain physical material brain exists and is the source/producer of mental constructs.
Letheby’s argument that we must believe in the physical plane as the source & producer of mental constructs, is just as fallacious and deluded as “I experienced metaperception, therefore I know that only mental constructs, not external referents, exist.”
I advocate agnosticism about the existence of the external, physical, material world.
I advocate a STEM approach to figuring sh*t out and explaining it, against the mystic approach that positively LOVES inexplicability & freewill fog; revels in it, enjoys asserting “ineffability”.
I stand w/ Sanders & Zijlmans their re: methodology: article Moving Past Mysticism (which asserts avoiding mysticism as a methodology, not as explanandum).
Not that this this should be considered the main spotlight debate, but:
Letheby uses fallacious reasoning and he has no basis of his false certainty that the brain exists.
Letheby ought to admit that he is pushing as an ARTICLE OF FAITH, the notion that the material physical world exists (and that that particular metaphysical belief/commitment is required, and important, to do Science).
I say, for all we know, maybe only mental constructs exist – that’s my description of metaperception, against Letheby’s MATERIALISM RELIGION which defines itself against Pure Idealism.
Letheby’s position is in the spirit of Anti- Pure-Idealism; his irrational knee-jerk reaction is over-extremist Pure Materialism.
Does he position himself as a kind of Dualist?
Letheby says mental constructs exist, and the brain projects in the mind a virtual world via representationalism, but he thinks that the most important doctrine/premise of all, is that mental constructs are a product of the material, physical, external brain & world.
I say that that topic is NOT the most important.
I’m not very concerned about historicity of Jesus, though the topic is relevant for how myth describes altered-state phenomena.
(Max Freakout did a great job of discussing ahistoricity and description-by-analogy with Kafei in the Transcendent Knowledge Podcast.)
My onion of concerns per a 4-level zoom scale: inner core, outer core, inner periphery, outer periphery.
Search the present site & the Egodeath Yahoo Group site on those terms to see what those 4 onion layers contain).
The Inner Core or Spotlight Target is *NOT* materialism aka “naturalism” vs. pure idealism (only mental constructs exist) – what REALLY matters is the transformed mental model of control-in-world.
THAT is the treasure and the required knowledge that we must have, to be able to enter the altered state like Griffiths is trying to do.
The First Requirement of psychedelic therapy science, I reveal, is, you must first transform the mind to rely on eternalism thinking rather than possibilism-thinking.
After you learn to {stand on right leg} (= rely on 2-level, dependent control per cybernetic eternalism), only then are you safe to use psychedelic therapy.
The first milestone requirement of psychedelic therapy is, you must have mental model transformation from possibilism to eternalism.
I’m not very concerned about whether there was or was no a Secret Amanita Christian Cult.
I’m not very concerned about whether only mental constructs exist, or whether the external referent physical material world exists, or whether mental constructs are produced by the brain/ material/ physical plane.
What *I* am centrally most concerned with is that the REAL nature of ego transcendence is transformation of transformation of the mental worldmodel of self as control agent; transformation of the model of control, driven by control transgression, from autonomous monolithic control to 2-level dependent control with future control-thoughts timelessly pre-existing.
The Bubble of Simulation: Subjective Experience as a Virtual Environment
http://egodeath.com/BubbleOfSimulation.htm
Video title:
Chris Letheby: Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality
August 22, 2022
Channel: WystanTBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXfsils1hM – My commentary/ paraphrasing continues:
[40:00] model construction, opacity: Letheby likes Independent Realism of the external world. Letheby also asserts we are only in touch with mental representations.
In contrast, the Egodeath theory is most concerned with control-model transformation.
Control-model transformation is the real nature/ topic of ego transcendence. not unity, not his consciousness-only debate.
Metaperceptions, opacity, Thomas Metzinger.
Letheby: “Conscious experiencing is a controlled hallucination”.
Letheby strongly asserts representationalism, AND the reality of the external material physical world as the generator OF this wall of perceptions.
Letheby and I agree 90% regarding: representationalism, but he falls short and fails to think about representation of CONTROL AGENCY in particular.
Letheby asserts that the sense of self is a construction – but I add: AS CONTROLLER — AND THAT THAT IS THE TRUE FOCUS of Transcendent Knowledge – not the topic or experience of unity, or unity of the spatial self.
To attain and explain Transcendent Knowledge, the Theory of Psychedelic Eternalism centrally focuses on the cybernetic self (similar to “agency”), not the spatial self.
Not centrally focusing on whether referents exist externally.
todo: Summarize the passage in Transcendent Knowledge podcast episode 28 (summary of the Egodeath theory), 4 factors in modelling a table (simple & unimportant), and then modelling control agency (profound & important).
re: representationalism / metaperception of a table, then of personal control model.
Representation of self *as controller*.
That passage is around the following sentence in page https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2021/04/08/transcendent-knowledge-podcast-episode-28/ –
“Awareness watches the workings and learns to observe the workings of the perceptual system, including the inward-directed perceptual system too, the idea, the mentation and thinking about oneself as a control agent across time.”
Video title:
Chris Letheby: Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality
August 22, 2022
Channel: WystanTBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXfsils1hM – My commentary/ paraphrasing continues:
[47:00] Letheby thinks what’s most importantly at issue is whether spirit cognition only exists, not the external world.
But I say what’s most importantly at issue is transfroming the mental model of CONTROL instead.
See my 2006 & 1997 subsections about control transformation in these two articles:
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/nav/#flagship-The-Egodeath-Theory
See the TOC entries below.
Letheby lacks any coverage of that.
Here’s the TOC of my 1997 core theory summary spec, I don’t see “control transformation” but see the word ‘control’ in bold here:
Contents:
- The Virtual Ego and the Illusory Aspect of its Control Power
- Block-Universe Determinism and Autonomous Control
- The Instability of Self-Control Cybernetics, the Control Vortex, and Self-Cancelling Control
- The Pre-set Stream of Injected Thoughts, Puppethood, and the Inability to Control Future Actions
- Self-Distrust, Self-Violation of Personal Control, and Needing a Higher-Level Controller
- Moral Agency, Theology, Levels of Control, and Delusion
- Mental Construct Binding and the Mind-Revealing Dissociative State
- Meta-perception and Solipsistic Perception
- The Egoic and Transcendent Mental Models and Advanced Rationality
2006/2007 main article, has almost the phrase “control transformation” in the TOC: Major section:
Self-Control and the Hidden Source of Thoughts
- The Goal of Understanding Ego Death
- Deliberately Postulating Coming Control-Loss
- The Potential for Control Breakdown and Transformation
- The Transcendent Solution to Restoring Viable Control
Dread Rules 👑, CEQ Drools 🤡
CEQ needs to cover Control crisis/ transformation/ transcendence/ transgression issues; CEQ and its anti-scientific HACK authors (Johnson, Griffiths) lacks any understanding of control model transformation, and so they simply DELETED all the control effects questions, and replaced them by their profiteering, familiar-sounding, ordinary-state “Grief” category instead.
It just doesn’t get any more BUNK & phony & unscientific than this! CEQ –> 🗑
Dittrich’s Dread is Science. CEQ is anti-Science.
How does Griffiths et al fix bad trips? Ignore the kind they don’t understand (control seizure), and replace them by familiar-labeled, familiar-sounding experiences instead (“Grief” and totally vague “Fear”).
NEED TERM SELF MODEL –> ‘CYBER eternalism’
Metzinger and Letheby wrongly think that the BIG REVEAL and matter of contention is that the spatial self doesn’t exist.
I believe that Metzinger’s book, according to my first two posts about “Metzinger” at the Egodeath Yahoo Group, does have mediocre coverage of self as puppet, thus some presence of the control topic.
Actually — this was half of my big assertion discovery of January 1988 — the Big Reveal and actual nature of ego transcendence is about transformation of the model of self AS CONTROLLER.
Block-universe eternalism in the altered state cancels self not merely as a spatial thing, but rather, as a control agent weilding steering power in the world, among (purported) branching future possibilities.
Actually, in ego transcendence satori enlightenment regeneration, the Big Reveal is specifically control transformation: changing the mental model of the self as control-agent steering IN the purported branching world, not just of the self as an isolated thing that gets re-modelled.
Video title:
Chris Letheby: Epistemology of Psychedelics, Naturalism, and Spirituality
August 22, 2022
Channel: WystanTBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXfsils1hM
/ end of my commentary on the above video.
Letheby’s Chapter in Routledge Handbook on the Philosophy of Meditation
Chapter: Psychedelics and Meditation: A Neurophilosophical Perspective (Letheby 2022)
His video titled the same as the chapter:
• 2021. Psychedelics and meditation: a neurophilosophical perspective
Delivered at the Altered States workshop series run by the Perth chapter of the Australian Psychedelic Society.
Routledge Handbook on the Philosophy of Meditation
https://www.routledge.com/Routledge-Handbook-on-the-Philosophy-of-Meditation/Repetti/p/book/9780367647469
https://www.amazon.com/Routledge-Handbook-Philosophy-Meditation-Repetti/dp/036764746X/ –
Meditation Is Built on Lies to Replace Psychedelics by Fake Methods that Don’t Work
Meditation Is Bunk – It Is Pushed Solely to Eliminate Psychedelics
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/12/17/meditation-is-bunk-and-is-pushed-solely-to-eliminate-psychedelics/
Pretending Meditation Doesn’t Come from Psychedelics
Article title:
Moving Past Mysticism: Theory of Psychedelic Eternalism Provides Scientific Basis, Superseding “Mysticism, Meditation, & Psychotherapy” Framework
Section heading:
Leading Chemist David Nichols Says Meditation Came from Psychedelics, Argues Against Meditation Huckster
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2023/01/15/the-theory-of-psychedelic-eternalism-provides-a-scientific-explanatory-basis-for-mystic-state-experiencing/#Meditation-Came-from-Psychedelics
Pretending that Meditation Rather than Psychedelics Is the Gold Reference Standard Authority
todo: search & link to where I wrote about this point, or simply search this site for “meditation”.
I have no problem with literal meditation.
I have nothing but problems with all the lying narrative around meditation, and the misuse of meditation and meditation doctrine for the purpose of making Psilocybin illegal.
Everyone is simply assumed to bow down to meditation — or actually, bow down gullibly swallowing false ideology.
Meditation isn’t inherently a lie, but it has been turned into a lie.
Meditation’s right attitude would be to bow down honoring its source and the true authoritative measure and point of reference, which is Psilocybin.
What’s worse than bunk Western religion? Bunk Eastern religion.
What a great idea: let’s make a religion (Meditationanity) that’s based on lies and falsehoods and dishonoring its source, which is Psilocybin!
Another Phony Meditation Book That’s All About Psychedelics, While Deceiving and Lying and Pretending that It’s Not
See Hanegraaff’s regrets “I was naive” that when he wrote his New Age history book, he foolishly believed the lying cover-story.
TRUTH: THIS MEDITATION BOOK IS ALL ABOUT PSYCHEDELICS, BUT LYING AND PRETENDING IT’S NOT.
Article: “Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs (Timmermann & Letheby 2021)”, Presents Letheby’s “Metaphysical Beliefs Questionnaire” (MBQ) and Draws Some Items from FAD-Plus Questionnaire
A non-psychedelic instrument, that presents an assortment of ordinary-state based EPISTEMOLOGY (not Phenomenology) positions.
My page about FAD:
FAD-Plus: Free Will and Determinism Questionnaire (Paulhus 2011)
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2023/03/03/fad-plus-free-will-and-determinism-questionnaire-paulhus-2011/
Letheby’s article about FAD contains a table of all the ordinary-state based epistemology positions, as if that’s the options for metaphysics positions in “Philosophy of Psychedelics”:
Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs
Christopher Timmermann & Chris Letheby
2021
Cited by Johnson’s review of Letheby’s book.
https://www.google.com/search?q=timmermann+%22psychedelics+alter+metaphysical+beliefs%22
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34815421/
Open-access .pdf
Auto citation:
Timmermann C, Kettner H, Letheby C, Roseman L, Rosas FE, Carhart-Harris RL. Psychedelics alter metaphysical beliefs. Sci Rep. 2021 Nov 23;11(1):22166. doi: 10.1038/s41598-021-01209-2. PMID: 34815421; PMCID: PMC8611059.
https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-021-01209-2
Matthew Johnson’s Coverage of Letheby
Matthew “Lose the Buddha statue” Johnson
Introduction: Psychedelic Science Needs Philosophy
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9452
Johnson is surprised and bummed that psychedelics move people away from his pet view, which is hardcore extremist definite materialism/ physicalism/ reductionism/ brain science/ neuroscience/ Cognitive Neuro-Reductionism/ “naturalism”.
Psychedelic Therapy vs. Egodeath Theory
tbd
The Limited Range of Philosophy Positions Available to and Considered by Letheby
Any position you want, as long as its main focus is the spectrum from Materialist Epistemology to Idealist Epistemology.
My philosophy and therefore the Egodeath theory’s and the Theory of Psychedelic Eternalism’s is, agnostic about the external world’s existence, or in what sense does external world exist given that the only thing present to awareness is a wall of mental constructs.
Epistemological agnosticism rather than Letheby’s GUESS and COMMITTMENT to SUPPOSING that beyond the wall of mental constructs, is a certain type of material external world.
Letheby seems limited to ordinary-state experiencing.
Letheby CLAIMS to try to compromise — between what? Positions on the mere epistemology spectrum (inevitably ordinary-state based & limited), NOT on the multi-state phenomenology spectrum.
The Egodeath theory is grounded not in the epsitemology spectrum (Materialism — Dualism — Idealism) but in 2-state phenomenology.
The altered state gives metaperception, which produces epistemological agnosticism about whether the external, referent world exists.
The virtual projected world might or might not exist; it’s not possible to know, but only to suppose that it might exist.
My position is none of Letheby’s limited offerings: not “definite dualism”, not “definite materialism”, not “definite idealism”.
CERTAINLY mental constructs exist.
POSSIBLY the referent material physical external world exists — there’s no way to know, per perceptual empiricism.
I’m not persuaded that Letheby is a particularly astute or sharp philosopher.
I searched the Egodeath Yahoo Group today, found my first post about Metzinger, I dismissed him as shallow pop treatment.
My Bubble of Perception article from 1996 is better than Metzinger’s two later books.
The Bubble of Simulation: Subjective Experience as a Virtual Environment
http://egodeath.com/BubbleOfSimulation.htm
Mine is a highly defensible position WHICH SEEMS TO BE NONE OF THE OPTIONS OFFERED BY LETHEBY.
Or perhaps is none of the options conceived / grasped by the FAD-Plus q’aire either, which is Letheby’s state-inappropriate foundation of buffet choices/options.
Philosophy and Psychedelics: Frameworks for Exceptional Experience (Hauskeller 2022)
Philosophy and Psychedelics: Frameworks for Exceptional Experience
July 14, 2022 / March 23, 2023
by Christine Hauskeller (Editor), Peter Sjöstedt-Hughes (Editor)
https://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Psychedelics-Frameworks-Exceptional-Experience/dp/1350373419/ –
Blurb:
“What do psychedelics reveal about consciousness?
“What impact have psychedelics had on philosophy?
“In this rapidly growing area of study, this is the first volume to explore the philosophy of psychedelic experience, from a range of interdisciplinary and cross-cultural perspectives.
“In doing so, Philosophy and Psychedelics reveals just why the place of psychedelics in our societies should not be left to medical sciences alone, as psychedelic experience opens up new perspectives on fundamental philosophical questions relating to human experience, ethics, and the metaphysics of mind.
“Mapping a range of philosophical responses to the surge in studies into psychedelic drugs in the cognitive sciences, this go-to volume examines topics including
- psychedelics and the role of governance;
- psychedelics and mysticism;
- what psychedelics can tell us about dyadic thankfulness; and
- psychedelics as ways to gain new knowledge.
“Written by leading international scholars, the essays cover Western and non-Western traditions, from analytic philosophy to Zen Buddhism, and discuss a variety of hallucinogens, such as LSD, MDMA, and Ayahuasca, in order to build a much-needed bridge between the rapidly growing scientific research and the philosophy behind psychedelic experience.”
Metzinger’s Journal of Philosophy and the Mind Sciences: Special Issue on Letheby’s Book
Page title:
Journal: Philosophy and the Mind Sciences (Metzinger 2020)
Section heading:
Vol. 3 (January 25, 2022) – Book Symposium: Philosophy of Psychedelics
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2023/01/29/journal-philosophy-and-the-mind-sciences-metzinger-2020/#Vol-3
I copied my details (the list of articles) from my Idea Development page 16 to below.
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2023/01/23/idea-development-page-16/#Philosophy-Mind-Sciences-Vol3 – list of articles in the issue about Letheby’s book.
Philosophy and the Mind Sciences, Vol. 3, 2022: Special Issue: Book Symposium: Philosophy of Psychedelics (Letheby 2021)
Philosophy and the Mind Sciences, Vol. 3, 2022: Special Issue: Book Symposium: Philosophy of Psychedelics
Volume 3
January 25, 2022
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/issue/view/270 – MAIN NAVIGATION LINK, but scroll down to the “Special Issue” section, below the regular “Articles” section.
I found the special issue by searching “Philosophy and the Mind Sciences” “Philosophy of Psychedelics”
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Philosophy+and+the+Mind+Sciences%22+%22Philosophy+of+Psychedelics%22
Concise List of Articles in Special Issue
Book Symposium: Philosophy of Psychedelics
1-page short overview of the issue.
Chiara Caporuscio, Sascha Benjamin Fink
The References section is links to the articles which are in the “special” section of the special issue, in author name order. Prefer instead the main page, above, starting w/ the Special section grouping of articles, below the first articles.
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9659
Introduction: Psychedelic Science Needs Philosophy
Matthew “Lose the Buddha statue” Johnson
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9452
Johnson is surprised and bummed that psychedelics move people away from his pet view, which is hardcore extremist definite materialism/ physicalism/ reductionism/ brain science/ neuroscience/ Cognitive Neuro-Reductionism/ “naturalism”.
Naturalistic Entheogenics: Précis of Philosophy of Psychedelics
Chris Letheby
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9627/9160 – the actual article; a 22-page summary of Letheby’s book.
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9627 – just a page about the article.
The Agency-First Epistemology of Psychedelics
Lisa Bortolotti, Kathleen Murphy-Hollies
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9283/9161
Belief Now, True Belief Later: The Epistemic Advantage of Self-Related Insights in Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy
Chiara Caporuscio
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9310/9162
Serotonin, Predictive Processing and Psychedelics
Matteo Colombo
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9320/9163
Psychedelics Favour Understanding Rather Than Knowledge
Sascha Benjamin Fink
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9264/9164
Positive Affect and Letheby’s Naturalization of Psychedelic Therapy
Sarah Hoffman
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9285/9166
Through the Psychedelic Looking-Glass: The Importance of Phenomenal Transparency in Psychedelic Transformation
Aidan Lyon, Anya Farennikova
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9323
How Level is the ‘Cognitive Playing Field’? Context Shapes Alterations in Self-Conception During the Psychedelic Experience
Joshua M. Martin, Philipp Sterzer
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9326/9167
Self and Knowledge in Psychedelic Therapy: Reply to Commentaries on Philosophy of Psychedelics
Chris Letheby
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9642/9172
Selected Articles of Special Issue, with Abstract or Commentary
Naturalistic Entheogenics: Précis of Philosophy of Psychedelics
Chris Letheby
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9627/9160 – the actual article; a 22-page summary of Letheby’s book.
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9627 – just a page about the article. Excerpt from Abstract:
“The book discusses philosophical issues arising from the therapeutic use of “classic” (serotonergic) psychedelic drugs such as psilocybin and LSD.
The book is organised around what I call the Comforting Delusion Objection to psychedelic therapy [i totally agree, your therapy is delusion -cm]: the concern that this novel and promising treatment relies essentially on the induction of non-naturalistic metaphysical beliefs, rendering it epistemically (and perhaps, therefore, ethically) objectionable.”
It is highly unclear whether psychedelic cybernetic eternalism (the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence) constitutes “non-naturalistic metaphysical beliefs”.
In Physics, the kind William James objected to, the Minkowski block universe is about the physical material realm.
The Minkowski block universe is the basis for my 1988 theory of the cybernetic (rather than “unity + reduce size of ego”) nature of ego transcendence.
My Egodeath theory (the Theory of Psychedelic Cybernetic Eternalism) is based on (in part) Minkowski spacetime Physics.
My theory fits what Letheby called for in the start of his good video.
Letheby says we should make Philosophy compatible with Naturalism (physicalism/ materialism/ reductionism) and not make Philosophy wholly independent of naturalistic Science.
WARNING FLAGS:
1) Letheby’s “Philosophy” book is SOLELY about “therapy”.
2) Letheby’s abstract jargon term ‘naturalistic‘ means ideological commitment to a philosophy/ ideological anti-religion, a literally, explicitly anti- belief-in-God paradigm of hardcore extremist definite materialism reductionist physicalism, very much Cognitive Neuro-Reductionism, pointedly so.
Journal of Consciousness Studies Article Recommends “Avoid terms such as ‘ego dissolution’, they are too vague”
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2023/02/26/the-risks-of-vague-abstract-descriptors-like-mystical-supernaturalism-vs-scientific-naturalism/#JCS-avoid-ego-dissolution-too-vague
The stupidest and least insightful debate is “Does God exist, yes or no?”
My approach instead is to ask:
To what does ‘God’ refer, in altered-state phenomenology?
Letheby literally pits “belief in God”(?) (a word which he probably neglects to even define, using terms in a lay fashion) against his commitment to his “naturalism” commitment-programme.
Letheby STRIVES to assert an extreme conception of ‘naturalism’, while also claiming to try to compromise.
I can relate, in some ways; see my praise for Moving Past Mysticism, by Sanders & Zijlmans.
See my enthusiastic cheerleading for STEM as the opposite of a mysticism stylistic approach to explanation — as far as explanatory styles are concerned (vs. epistemology ideology).
Through the Psychedelic Looking-Glass: The Importance of Phenomenal Transparency in Psychedelic Transformation
Aidan Lyon, Anya Farennikova
https://philosophymindscience.org/index.php/phimisci/article/view/9323 – Abstract:
“What makes psychedelic psychotherapy work?
Is it the induction of psychedelic experience, with its distinct patterns of hallucinations and insights,
or is it the neural ‘shakeup’ that moves the brain out of its regular mode of functioning and into a more disordered state?
“We consider the role that attention-related phenomenological changes play in psychedelic transformation and psychotherapy.
“We review Letheby’s account of psychedelic psychotherapy, which appeals to increases in phenomenal opacity [metaperception] as the central mechanism of psychotherapeutic transformation.
“We argue that there is an alternative vehicle of psychedelic transformation that this account overlooks, involving radically transparent experiences.
“We outline the common kinds of phenomenal transparency shifts typical of psychedelic experiences, and argue that in many cases, such shifts are responsible for the psychotherapeutic benefits.
“This argument motivates an alternative approach to possible mechanisms of psychedelic self-transformation, and opens up a new venue of empirical research into the role of attention and phenomenology in psychedelic psychotherapy.”
re: Cognitive article:
At ‘Cognitive’, read “Cognitive Neuroreductionism”. Also: non-branching world-conception -cm
/ end of Symposium commentaries under the influence of Psilocybin mixed wine
The Gods Bring Letheby & Metzinger to the Psilocybin Mixed-Wine Symposium Banquet

Douris kylix (Psilocybin mixed wine cup) of Jason, Ladon, Athena, golden fleece.

Figure 1. Jason, Ladon, Golden Fleece, & Athena (kylix by Douris)
Features:
- Snake body, human torso.
- Right hand touches non-branching spear.
- Non-branching spear separates mortal and immortal boundary.
- Owl of wisdom.
- Death-head gorgon medusa breastplate.
- A riddling Sphinx on the helmet, a gate guard.
- Serpents in Athena’s breastplate.
- Non-branching vine tree.
- Golden fleece of sacrificed ram blocks view of branching portion of tree.
- Ladon serpent/dragon.
- Jason dead and impotent in conjunction with non-branching serpent.
Poor Model: We Start as Materialist Physicalists, and then Psychedelics Give Delusion of Metaphysics Insight
Actually, the Mind Starts as Possibilism-Thinking in the Possibilism Experiential Mode, then Experiences Psychedelic Eternalism, Which Produces Eternalism Thinking
All Philosophers Are Limited to the Possibilism Framework, Including the Ordinary-State Based Misconception of Eternalism
The Limitations of the FAD-Plus Questionnaire’s Notion of “Determinism” Is the Limitation of Letheby’s Range of Thinking
Article title:
FAD-Plus: Free Will and Determinism Questionnaire (Paulhus 2011)
Section heading:
Fatalistic Determinism [5] (Egoic Domino-Chain Determinism)
Sec
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2023/03/03/fad-plus-free-will-and-determinism-questionnaire-paulhus-2011/#Fatalistic-Determinism
The 5 Ordinary-State, Classroom Philosophy Debate, Domino-Chain Determinism Questions that Make Up the “Fatalistic Determinism” Subscale
Remember, this questionnaire is NOT psychedelics-aware; it STRONGLY defaults to ordinary-state based conceptions.
- My future has already been determined by fate.
- No matter how hard you try, you can’t change your destiny.
- Fate already has a plan for each of us.
- What will be, will be-there’s not much you can do about it.
- Whether we like it or not, mysterious forces seem to move our lives.
Why is Letheby using this non-psychedelic, ordinary-state-based instrument to construct his metaphysics options on top of?
What could possibly go wrong?
Reductionism like CEQ, reducing altered state realm to the ordinary state realm; omitting the only relevant metaphysics model.
Letheby’s Book Is Predictably 70% Bunk
Update [8:49 a.m. March 4, 2023] after I created this “70% Bunk” section last night: Letheby Overlaps (a lot) with the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence – see my section above, Letheby’s Focus Stops Short of Cybernetic Eternalism.
The Contributions & Shortcomings of Letheby
What Letheby Gets Right
What Letheby Gets Wrong
The Contributions & Shortcomings of Each Theorist or School
The wisdom & folly of the Journal of Transpersonal Psychology
The wisdom & folly of Ramesh Balsekar (“enlightenment = no-free-will”)
The wisdom & folly of Bricklin (“enl = psychedelic eternalism)
My critique and reserved limited praise of Metzinger
My critique and reserved limited praise of Sanders (article Moving Past Mysticism).
Moving Past Mysticism: Theory of Psychedelic Eternalism Provides Scientific Basis, Superseding “Mysticism, Meditation, & Psychotherapy” Framework
The contributions & shortcomings of Carl Ruck
The contributions & shortcomings of Thomas Hatsis
The contributions & shortcomings of Irvin (gnostic media then logos media)
The contributions & shortcomings of John Rush
The contributions & shortcomings of Ken Wilber
The contributions & shortcomings of Alan Watts
The contributions & shortcomings of Thomas Metzinger (“the self/the ego tunnel is an illusion; puppet”)
The contributions & shortcomings of Ramesh Balsekar (enlightenment = no-free-will)
The contributions & shortcomings of Jonathan Bricklin (“enlightenment = psychedelic eternalism”)
The contributions & shortcomings of Manly Hall (Secret Teachings of All Ages)
The contributions & shortcomings of Jerry Brown & Julie “X-Ray Vision” Brown
The contributions & shortcomings of Sanders & Zijlmans (article: Moving Past Mysticism)
Moving Past Mysticism: Theory of Psychedelic Eternalism Provides Scientific Basis, Superseding “Mysticism, Meditation, & Psychotherapy” Framework
The contributions & shortcomings Matthew Johnson
The contributions & shortcomings of Gordon Wasson
The contributions & shortcomings of John Allegro
The contributions & shortcomings of the Journal of Transpersonal Psychology Jan. 1988, vs. my then breakthrough, the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence as block-universe eternalism in loose cognitive binding state to switch the mental mental worldmodel of control; summarized in 1997 at Principia Cybernetica website, then how myth describes that by analogy was added in my 2006 main article.
The Big Pharma Psychiatry Therapy Psychedelic-Industrial Complex Brings You a Buffet of Ordinary-State Based, Pro-Reductionism “Philosophy of Psychedelics” Options, after 50% Screwing up MEQ and 90% Screwing Up CEQ
What Metaphysical Psychedelic Enlightenment is Really About (According to the Psychedelic Industrial Complex)
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Wow, [9:34 p.m. March 3, 2023] I just recorded a couple great short voice recordings arguing that Letheby’s book is predicted to be 70% bunk (50%-90% bunk) given that MEQ is 50% bunk/ inadequate/ misrepresentative, and that CEQ is 90% bunk/ inadequate/ misrepresentative.
It is quite easy to explain MEQ as 50% bunk: Per Charles Stang, lacks negative mystic experiencing.
It is quite easy to explain CEQ as 90% bunk: Omits 18 of 21 OAV Dread effects, eg “I was afraid to lose my self-control”, and omits HRS’ “It was difficult to control my thoughts”, and omits SOCQ’s “Sense of being trapped and helpless”.
Average is 70% bunk. The Letheby book is for a psychiatry book series (ordinary-state based), for therapy — the very same paradigm & industry that brought you the 50% bunk MEQ and the 90% bunk CEQ.
The foundation of the buffet for Christopher & Chris Letheby’s 2021 article, which has a table of epistemology (not Phen’y) positions, all based in the ordinary state, is taken from the ordinary-state based FAD q’aire.
Just like CEQ, this is A MASSIVE REDUCTIONISM-AWAY OF ACTUAL PSYCHEDELIC EXPERIENCES.
Also in the voice recording, I recount how in a video, Letheby defines his extremist “naturalism” position by pitting it contrasting it against “belief in God” from psychedelics experiencing.
He didn’t there define “belief in God”, but acts in a naive lay style of presenting concepts, he acts like it’s self-evident what “belief in God” means, so that it’s a useful phrase to define his advocated position, hardcore materialist reductionist physicalist so-called “naturalism”.
Let me clarify: he means “Mystery Principle X” — I’m sure you’re interested in marrying & committing to that position.
Letheby says you should hold “naturalism”, which he defines as opposite of “belief in God”.
Good luck with that Shadow Dragon Monster infestation problem you’ve been pulled into lately.

url https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spm5-SXo4Do –
My Top 10 Critiques of Letheby (or Griftiths)
Letheby Overlaps (a lot) with the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence – see my section above, Letheby’s Focus Stops Short of Cybernetic Eternalism.
1 – Letheby sometimes seems to be doing general Philosophy, but it’s driven by and constrained to overemphasis on psychedelic “therapy” and “psychiatry”. It kind of flip flops confusingly between whether this book is intended as broad or narrow (it is committed to a narrow, therapy-specific function, not broad/open Philosophy as an end in itself). This is merely only Philosophy applied to psychedelic therapy in particular. Egodeath theory has the advantage, being pure science, pure theory, applied to “make an elegant useful explanatory model as Basic Science”. He’s doing Applied Science, for the Big Pharma Psychedelic Industrial Therapy complex, which has biff’d it really badly and been called out for lopsided notion of M.E., MEQ. [side note, it is striking how very different Johnson is from Griftiths the meditation-mystic]
2. Letheby doesn’t explicitly consider the Egodeath theory aka the Theory of Psychedelic Eternalism, or Superdeterminism, or Reformed Theology, or the two sets of views per Elaine Pagels’ first 3 books about Gnosticism vs. Orthodox, or esotericism vs exotericism (my Nov. 14, 2001 great branching-option realization). You cannot “imagine” what the field “would” say about the Egodeath theory; the field needs to directly explicitly address my particular theory.
3. Complete Newbie Mystical Experience – this “science” is too driven by newbies, not advanced psychonauts.
4. Letheby puts too much emphasis on changing the mental model of self, fails to consider transformation of the model of [self in world].
5. Letheby reaches a definite commitment to the existence of the referent external world – I’m agnostic about that; all I’ve ever seen is mediated. He ought to be more agnostic.
6. Letheby takes seriously the MEQ and so-called “mystical experience”, but in fact what he’s referring to is the false, wrong, incomplete, particular, Walter Stace misconception of what mystic experience is. Stace’ book is 1960: 63 years outdated and out of print and Chs Stang says it’s very wrong for Stace to omit negative experiencing.
7. Letheby thinks he’s familiar with all the free will & determinism positions (eg “deterministic fatalism” – but he omits psychedelic eternalism, superdeterminism, hypercalvinism; and gnosticism per Pagels’ 1st 3 books (Pauline, Johannine, Gnostic G.).
8. Letheby puts too much emphasis on EPISTEMOLOGY rather than PHENOMENOLOGY.
9. Letheby constructs a crude, vague opposition between an extremist caricature of “scientific naturalism vs. supernatural mysticism”.
10. Neuroscience/ Cognitive Neuro-Reductionism is the wrong, ineffective level or domain in which to base an explanatory model. Mine is a truly Cognitive Phen’y approach, counter-tactic of strategic outright rejection of Neuroscience. Stop “explaining” things of the Cognitive domain, as if they are things of the Neuroscience domain. My {loose mental functioning binding; loose cognitive binding; loose cognition}, is way more relevant than neuroplasticity.
About the notion of ‘ineffable‘ – are Letheby and I in agreement? We might be in agreement here, so this complaint would go in a different list, my top 10 complaints against the mystic camp of psychedelic scientists. I cringe when Letheby talks about “ineffable” but his problem really is that he takes too seriously the Stace conception of M.E.
Another complaint that I’m not sure is against Letheby or rather Griftiths: nondual unity oneness is way overrated as if it’s the end achievement – really it’s in practice, a newbie beginner experience before discovering the control vortex seizure transgression and larger-scale mental worldmodel transformation, transformation from possibilism to eternalism.
See Also
The Bubble of Simulation: Subjective Experience as a Virtual Environment
Michael Hoffman, 1996
http://egodeath.com/BubbleOfSimulation.htm
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- References for Psychedelic Psychometrics Questionnaires
- FAD-Plus: Free Will and Determinism Questionnaire (Paulhus 2011)
- Rejecting Confused, Unhelpful Explanatory Constructs: Naturalism, Ego Dissolution, Neuroplasticity, Unity, Default Mode Network
- Why My January 1988 Non-Branching Block Universe Ego Transcendence Realization Was Slam-Dunk Certain
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- Moving Past Mysticism: Theory of Psychedelic Eternalism Provides Scientific Basis, Superseding “Mysticism, Meditation, & Psychotherapy” Framework – 2023/01/15
- Astounding Omissions of Negative Effects from CEQ’s Initial Item Pool — This Closed Science Is Pseudo-Science
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Relevant article by Metz: relevant to control of thinking:
Chapter 1: M-Autonomy
Metzinger, 2016
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