The Egodeath theory

Egodeath Mystery Show ep 105b

10:00

i talk through the vial and argue that Irvin is 100% correct; artist depicted literally amanita, in place of usual vial – not a vial.

make my position more accurate than my page re Hatsis PMT book.

_{Site Map > John Lash}

Contents:

• Intro
• Citation and Link
• John Lash’s 9 Articles about Entheogen History
• A Partial Copy of the Webpage Where Lash Uploaded the Cropped Mushroom Tree with Two Men and a Sword
• See Also

Intro

This page is not great, it only lists a copy of a portion of the article. Full presumably latest is at Metahistory site.

Motivation for this page: Moved this research out from my Criteria/Proof/Compelling Evidence article, which I’m tweaking.

Edited on computer, not mobile app. Update july 7 2022: edited title on mobile.

Citation and Link

The Discovery of a Lifetime
John Lash
2008, with 2016 addendum
http://metahistory.org/Discovery.php – a latest Eadwine page with an 2016 addendum.

John Lash’s 9 Articles about Entheogen History

My page
Wise as Serpents: Entheogenic Religion and the Paris Eadwine Psalter (John Lash) 
links to Lash’s 9 archived articles – they are not all at Metahistory site:

• 1 article about 20th C History entheogen history.
• 5 articles about Eadwine’s images in the Great Canterbury Psalter.
• 3 articles about Wasson.

Right now my main set of such links is in my “Wise as Serpents” page, but they point to possibly outdated versions at Archive.org, and should first point to http://metahistory.org if available there.

I think I have backups in some form, of all 9 articles, eg saved webpages.

A Partial Copy of the Webpage Where Lash Uploaded the Cropped Mushroom Tree with Two Men and a Sword

[missing much text, compare https://metahistory.org/Discovery.php – ]

Amazon’s John Lash https://www.amazon.com/John-Lash/e/B001HMTWY0 page

Lash’s webpage article “Psychedelic Bible – The Discovery of a Lifetime” – I’m pasting the top of the copy of his page to here.

From a copy of John Lash’s article (also check archive.org): https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_84.htm –

“To scholars, the presence of psychoactive mushrooms in religious art is a closed subject, a revelation too outrageous to admit; but for this self-taught scholar it was the discovery of a lifetime.” “It appears that religious scholars practice intentional blindness when it comes to this extraordinary work of sacred art.” Lash continues:

“A recent trip to Paris afforded me the chance to visit the National Library of France and acquire some inkjet reproductions of the Paris Eadwine Psalter. [Huggins corrects some authors about conflating titles of psalters, but it’s complicated, as we see Lash explaining here.] With a couple of exceptions, where the source is wrongly attributed to “the Canterbury Psalter,” this material appears exclusively on the Internet on metahistory.org. Gaze and wonder!”

[re: my 2006 Gallery page at Egodeath.com in support of my Wasson article:
http://egodeath.com/christianmushroomtrees.htm#_Toc134497563
has a different image than below. I’m trying to find more info about scope of my gallery, dates and sources of my images.]

[there’s now a bigger inclusive crop at https://metahistory.org/Discovery.php – ]

[Lash’s image circa 2008 is cropped to only show a portion, missing some of the ten pilzbaum. Lash’s image is faded, fewer colors (narrower color range spread) than the actual image.]

“Here is the same folio page shown in another view with color values adjusted to how it looks on microfilm – rather faded. I have not yet seen or handled the original MS so I do not know if its colors correspond to the gloriously preserved tones of the other version, or if this is a Photoshop effect.”

“In November 2006 [when my main & Plaincourault articles were finished at Egodeath.com -Cybermonk], shortly after the publication of my book Not in His Image [pdf of book], where I describe entheogenic rites in the pagan Mysteries at Eleusis and elsewhere, I made a long-awaited visit to the National Library in Paris.

“Upon acquiring a membership card I was able to consult the archives for Greek and Latin manuscripts, of which the BNF (Bibliotheque National de France) has an impressive collection.

“I was in quest of a very particular item, Latin MS 8846, the Paris Eadwine Psalter. This is the single and unique illuminated MS of the 12^th century, the only one of its kind in the world.”

“I was not able to handle the actual MS, but I examined the color microfilm made from it. My session of three hours in the microfilm booth left me with wide eyes, a slack jaw, and unsteady feet. I literally staggered out into the Rue de Richelieu.”

“For rest of the evening I remained in state of astonishment, totally stunned by the images I had seen rolling across the microfilm screen.”
[missing “the” at start, even at Lash site]

Psychedelic Bible

“The Paris Eadwine Psalter is an oversize bound book of about 184 sheets, about 367 pages counting both sides.

The cover page is stamped Volume No. 174, 10 October 1873, presumably the day it was acquired or catalogued. It opens with five full-page panels divided into twelve sections, lavishly colored and detailed.

“The panels show incidents from the Old Testament, running from the creation of Adam and Eve to the life of the Patriarch Jacob. There immediately follow many half-page and full-page illustrations of the Psalms interspersed with Latin commentary. After about 100 pages come four more twelve-section panels resuming the story of Jacob, then the illustrations jump to the Ark of the Covenant, David and Goliath, and John the Baptist.”

“About 45 pages further on there is a unique page composed of eighteen panels celebrating Jesus Christ, followed by two more twelve-panel pages illustrating events in the life of the Savior.”

“All this is totally Biblical narrative, larded with pious commentary and directions for song and prayer. The Eadwine MS is after all a psalter, intended for use by a choir or congregation in reciting prayers.”

“What is far from routine, however, is the way the book is illustrated. Blue-staining mushrooms and mushroom-like omphali occur in lavish form in the first 100 pages. Dozens of pages display versions of a stylized tree with a blue trunk, depicting how psychoactive mushrooms grow from the trunk of a single “fruiting body” that sprouts from the mycelium.“

“Often the mushroom trees are integrated into dramatic scenes showing humans interacting with angels and demons.“

A copy from https://www.ancientpsychedelia.com/canterbury-psalter/, likely uploaded by John Lash from a dot matrix printout from microfilm.

http://erocx1.blogspot.com/2008/02/john-lash-paradise-denied-entheogenic.html – about psalters

http://www.metahistory.org – John Lash’s site, check archive.org for deleted entheogen articles; find “Lash” at the present site for commentary.

https://nemeta.org – “educational organization founded on the work of mythologist John Lamb Lash, Sophianic School of Arts and Sciences.

See Also

Foraging for Psychedelic Mushrooms in the Wrong Forest (Huggins 2024)
Huggins’ article “Foraging” links to “Discovery of a Lifetime”, only.

What does Huggins say about Lash’s claims about the titles of the psalters?

Huggins criticizes and corrects Ruck’s Conjuring Eden article for conflating Paris Eadwine Psalter vs. Great Canterbury Psalter.

Michael Hoffman, April 9, 2022 3:06 pm UTC+0

Contents:

• Intro
• Jan. 2025
• April 2022
• See Also

Intro

Cybermonk – voice dictation during recording an episode of the Egodeath Mystery Show.

We’re reading aloud the article and noticing major omissions discoveries that the article led to that need to be folded back in to update the article to do update the article as follows.

https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/defining-compelling-evidence-criteria-of-proof-for-mushrooms-in-christian-art/

Jan. 2025

Look for combination of 4 motifs: {mushrooms}, {branching}, {handedness}, and {stability} motifs.

The pilzbaum genre is defined by this systemic combination of motifs.

The presence of the 3 motifs corroborates that the 4th motif is mushrooms.

We can positively identify that the mushrooms motif purposefully means mushrooms by noting the conjoined presence of the other 3 motifs consitituting the pilzbaum genre: {branching}, {handedness}, and {stability} motifs.

If there is a debated mushrooms imagery, to help resolve it, see wehther that motif instance occurs along with instance of {branching}, {handedness}, and {stability} motifs.

If mystery motif in question is found with {branching}, {handedness}, and {stability} motifs, those corroborate that the mystery motif is mushrooms and purposefully means mushrooms (to give an experience that’s described by analogies of {branching}, {handedness}, and {stability} motifs).

April 2022

Point out that repetition of motive art motif strengthens or multiplies the certainty that it is meaningful intentional deliver it in the Monte Casino Manuscript there are not one but two versions of the scene that shows the mandrake tree note that the mandrake tree not only as a trunk but importantly adds cut branches

note that there are two versions of this scene which shows strict Parallel a Mandrake tree and mushroom tree

add the second pink and blue image of the mandrake tree and mushroom tree in strict parallel

explicitly add throughout the article and in meta-theory sections make sure to present evidence integrated with presenting Interpretation integrated with metatheory points

exaggerating to make to clarify the point it is not possible to prove and recognize and comprehend Mushrooms even explicit Mushrooms in christian art by only trying to prove that to succeed at proving that it is required and mandatory that you overshoot and descend from above the level of the guards God level of the gods only after you prove and recognize and comprehend and perceive

that Mushroom imagery in Christian art specifically Depicts nonbranching stable control message explicitly communication only then can you shift down to the smaller proof of identifying Mushrooms with certainty the other teams cannot do this so their theory cannot prove and recognize adequately Mushrooms they are inadequate Interpretations

inadequate evidence inadequate interpretation inadequate proof because they can barely recognize Mushrooms even explicit Mushrooms whereas the monks team interpretation and explanation and the additional evidence which the Monks interpretation enables perceiving

is required to be able to recognize the mushrooms in there context of meaning Dr. secret such as Young Irvin Young Jan Irvin is only capable of at best recognizing positively identifying Mushroom shapes but he is in capable his interpretation cannot gather and perceive the evidence for the meaning of the mush

mushrooms revealing and teaching and communicating and depicting nonbranching stable control

what there is to be perceived and what the artist or depicting is not merely Mushrooms but rather Mushrooms in context of communicating and depicting the meaning of the effects of mental transformation non-Branching model is required to achieve stable control in the mushroom state

only the ego death Interpretation and explanatory theory framework and it’s evidence and it’s type of proof is capable of perceiving the evidence which goes beyond the mushrooms and is the context of meaning for the mushroom Imagery

the other teams / Teams theories interpretations and the evidence base which they are able to gather and work with and perceive are not capable of perceiving or interpreting the mushrooms in their complete meaning context

See Also

https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/defining-compelling-evidence-criteria-of-proof-for-mushrooms-in-christian-art/

Egodeath Mystery Show Episode 104, April 7, 2022, is an announcement message from the Witches and Monks teams to the Dr. Secret team.

https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/03/09/idea-development-page-13/#Egodeath-Mystery-Show-Episode-104

Great Episode

It’s a really great episode for general purposes.

it’s highly recommended, whatever your interests; a great general-purpose episode.

Ruck/M. Hoffman = bad direction = secret Amanita cult thesis

the weakest aspect of my position is:

my general critique is sound, of Carl Ruck publishing type of entheogen scholarship as bad and lame and goes nowhere, it is difficult criticizing it legitimately and being certain that my specific objections are accurate.

It is like trying to make a substantive critique of Ken Wilber that will stand up to scrutiny.

Andy Letcher and Tom Hatsis in their scathing critiques against secret Mushrooms cult in Christianity thesis, who are they arguing against?

Tom Hatsis presumes to be arguing against Jan Irvin, that much is clear.

Tom Hatsis denies that he’s attacking Carl Ruck’s Thesis, but it would be typical Thomas H if he doesn’t even realize what Carl rocks thesis is , that he doesn’t even recognize that it’s rock who’s pushing all this secret Mushrooms in Christianity deal, but that’s totally coral rock absolutely

you cannot criticize the John Allegro & Jan Irvin Thesis, and then claim that you agree with Carl Ruck- its the same damn thesis: Secret Amanita Cult propagation Thesis.

it’s not easy to pinpoint and be certain of my accusations against Entheos magazine journal (which I like) and M. Hoffman and Clark Heinrich and Carl Ruck and the eight nameless anonymous scholars in their committee who have achieved nothing except a tower of books.

Contrast that to the books published by Park Street Press.

Why do I think of Park Street Press, publisher of the great Psychedelic Historian Thomas Hatsis and Dr. Brown and many others, seems to have a purpose?

How can I possibly say that the venerable M. Hoffman Entheos journal has put together a list of books that don’t go anywhere and don’t accomplish anything?

That seems like a completely unsustainable accusation, and I appreciate that M. Hoffman is intent on selling more of their too-scholarly books, of course.

I suppose that I’m recommending buying their books, I guess.

I can hardly recommend any books.

Really is none of the books measure up to my standards, whether Park Street Press or M. Hoffman press.

I would recommend Clark Heinrich’s book strange fruit, new title is magic mushrooms.

I would recommend definitely Dr. Jerry Brown’s book, by brown & brown (and also brown).

But of course I’m not too impressed by any of these books.

Witches & Monks Ally

The Witches and the Monks teams have formed an alliance regarding the topic of replacing the dysfunctional and regressive version of the “mushrooms in Christianity” theory that has been retarding and impeding progress and respect in the field of entheogen scholarship.

The Witches are starting to comprehend that Dr. Secret is pushing a bunk version of the “mushrooms in Christianity” thesis which is shaped as the “Secret Amanita Cult propagation” thesis, model, or story.

Voice dictation

The monks are more realizing and appreciating how the witches have been maddened had been driven mad by the prevarication and self-contradiction of the Moderate Entheogens Position held by Dr. secret and promoted by Dr. Secret despite the book cover of apples of Apollo Apollo claiming that the book would cover and assert visionary plants in Christianity but which actually emphasizes the absence of visionary plants from Christianity and continues to propagate the incoherent and field-retarding notion of secrecy and underground propagation centered all around amanita and deviant rare ineffective visionary plants

The monks didn’t know that the witches were only aware of a single Allegro / coral rock / Young Irvin Phase one version of the mushrooms in Christianity theory

but now the witches are becoming clear and learning that there exists a competing, very different version of the mushrooms in Christianity thesis (or interpretation or explanatory model or theory)

so stay tuned for tonight’s show where the team leaders of the witches and the monks deliver a message to the doctor secret team of anonymous secret scholars whose names are obscured and we can’t really believe that a Clark Heinrich was writing apples of aPaulo because it’s personality and taking a distinctive position seem to have vanished mysteriously when he was absorbed into the nameless secret committee of scholars who’s point and purpose of writing the book the Apples of the Apollo the apples of Apollo has remained a mysterious hidden underground secret that nobody knows about and that is indiscernible

it cannot be discerned despite the books cover claiming that the book will simply assert like Dr. Brown’s book the psychedelic Gospels simply assert at a first grader level yes Christianity is based on visionary plants and here is the evidence to prove that conclusion

that’s what we expected from the book the Apples of Apollo in December 2000

I also discuss how freaking Gettys book the Jesus Mysteries 1999 how they explained to me that they were not permitted to cross the two streams

they were not permitted to do the Allegro combination

they were only allowed by the publisher to include a single paragraph on entheogens

and so I wish to obtain the lost censored chapter that was removed from the book the Jesus Mysteries

from which I learned the Elaine Pagles combination the integrated set of views which the gnostics held against the Orthodox position which is pushed by the salvation Salesmen team,

Timothy freak and Peter Gandy authors of the book the Jesus mysteries carry forward the groupings , the two teams , the early incarnations of these two roller derby teams providing their separate interpretations submitted for consideration of which one is more compelling

she calls the two teams the Orthodox versus the gnostics

In the book the Jesus Mysteries Timothy freak and Peter Gandy call those same two teams Exoteric and esoteric

ultimately these derby teams will be left with two

they’re being combined together there will only be two teams

ultimately

those two teams will be the latest incarnation of the old rivals the two old rival teams from the era of primitive Christianity

first of the witches will join the monks

then Dr. Secret will concede that the monks have the true Version of the mushrooms in Christianity Theory and that Dr. Secret has been pushing a false Inferior Mushrooms in Christianity theory which is the version that Andy Letcher and Thomas Hatsis have been railing against

Andy Letcher and Thomas Hatsis who are the team called the witches have never actually been against the team called the monks, but they have just been ignorant of the existence of this vastly superior version of the mushrooms in Christianity Thesis

given that Dr. Secret has already affirmed Cybermonk’s strong clear simple Position and Maximal Position Maximal Mushroom Theory of Ubiquitous Mixed wine in the book titled Mushroom Persephone with a green cover , eventually Dr. secret will similarly concede that his weak and waffling and prevaricating Position on Mushrooms in Christianity has been superseded by the monks clear thinking simple version: the maximal entheogen theory.

and just like coral Ruck’s acknowledged Cybermonk’s description of mixed wine simply being mushroom wine with a clear positive definite simple clear thinking expression unlike coral rocks waffling and prevaricating and wishy-washy slip and slide even worse than Tom Hatsis and Andy Letcher slip and slide shifting all around Carl Ruck realize that cyber monk was telling a stable solid well based clear thinking simple story

and just like coral Ruck’s acknowledged Cybermonk’s description of mixed wine simply being mushroom wine with a clear positive definite simple clear thinking expression unlike coral rocks waffling and prevaricating and wishy-washy slip and slide even worse than Tom Hatsis and Andy Letcher slip and slide shifting all around Carl Ruck realize that cyber monk was telling her study stable a stable solid well based clear thinking simple story

And that is why Carl Ruck had to rely on the voice of cyberMonk to finally spit it out and utter the plain and simple statement of the Maximal and entheogens Theory of Mixed wine in rock’s book about Demeter and mushroom and Persephone with the green cover with about 4 women on the cover art

Similarly, even though Carl Ruck is constitutionally incapable of making a clear and simple clear-cut dirt simple story like the simpleton Dr. Brown simply saying “yes Christianity is based on a visionary plants and here is the evidence simply asserting as much, end of story”

even though Carl Ruck is constitutionally incapable of telling a consistent stable coherent positive story, and it’s harming the whole field of entheogen Scholarship misleading the field and failing to give leadership, it is predictable that Carl rock will just like he did regarding mixed wine will eventually positively quote Cybermonk asserting with Dr. Brown the simpleton consistent stable steady clear-cut story:

Christianity comes from visionary plants. A simple consistent positively stated story

note what word is not there, Dr. Secret

I will give you one guess, Dr. secret, of what word you do not see in our description?

although unfortunately that word is present in Dr. Brown’s subtitle: the word ‘secret’

Letcher and Hatsis are correct to be mad at the theory of mushrooms in Christianity because indeed in the way that this theory has been malformed and miss used with poor leader ship that bad old theory of mushrooms in Christianity has got to go it is causing the field to be discredited as Thomas Hatsis says that mushroom in Christianity theory is an embarrassment and is retarding and impeding progress in the field it needs to go throw out John allegro and Carl rock with his Waffling bad version fixated regressively on the infantile red and white mushrooms and fixational Secrecy that has got to go , as Thomas Hatsis asserts

and the monks for helping to get rid of that malformed infected Mushroom Christianity thesis that is making a mockery out of intelligence scholarship and preventing any activist progress for full repeal of prohibition against Psilocybin

The Carl Ruck a John Allegro version of mushrooms in Christianity is waffling prevaricating defeatist negative misleading unhelpful inconsistent obsessed with irrelevant secrecy that nobody asked for and it’s just wrong and it’s harmful and it needs to be cleared aside so make way secret Amanita cult propagation thesis make way for the Monks incomparably Superior true

simple coherent stable Theory model which gives a simple simple minded Dr. Brown level of simpleton simple minded binary yes or no

answer the damn question and our answer is simple

our answer is simply the word yes , which the book apples of Apollo is incapable of simply asserting like the cover promises

the cover promises simply assert that Christianity is based in visionary plants and then simply go about demonstrating the enormous extent to which that Was the case

like Dr. Brown’s simple book ,the cover says the book will assert visionary plants in Christianity and that is indeed what the book carries through

unlike the false advertising, the bait and switch of the book the Apples of Apollo, which claims that it will make that assertion a visionary plants in Christianity, but the authors act like it would kill them to simply write on page one like Dr. Brown does:

Christianity is based in visionary plants and this book will demonstrate that with compelling evidence and proof.

a simple yes story.

would it kill you, Dr. Secret, to be able to simply write this first grade level of a sentence in a statement and take a damn stand instead of waffling and prevaricating with your childish obsession on secrecyunlike the false

advertising the bait and switch of the book the Apples of Apollo which claims that it will make that assertion a visionary plants in Christianity but the authors act like it would kill them to simply write on page one like Dr. Brown does Christianity is based in visionary plants in this book will demonstrate that with compelling evidence and proof a simple yes story

would it kill you, Dr. Secret, to be able to simply write this first grade level of a sentence in a statement and take a damn stand instead of waffling and prevaricating with your childish obsession on secrecy and faking out everyone pretending to give a yes answer while you then turn right around and turn it into a no answer so that you magically convert all evidence for visionary plants you magically converted into the evidence for the absence

you want the plants to be absent

that’s a story that you keep habitually telling you’re trying to tell the story that the plants were absent, even though on the cover of your book you claim that you’re going to tell the story that the plants were present

but all we get is empty prevarication and waffling Dr. waffle obsessed with waffling obsessed with telling a negative story and pretending you’re gonna tell a positive story

Dr. Brown doesn’t pull this BS, his book does not contain false marketing on the cover false advertising

see end of latest post previous, I specified the way how the 2003 maximal entheogens Theory was defined in a simple and extreme absolute way that essentially is impossible to surpass as long as it as long as it is defined along those specific very specific lines

anyway, now I fully understand the strategy that I used to define particularly the moderate position

well how high but really

how I defined the three positions in relation to each other

it’s all about a dispute about the middle ages Christianity really

but also included some coverage of primitive christianity

And very extremely heavy attention to allegro a ahistorystudy where you would expect me instead to almost ignore that topic these days and focus exclusively on the kind of myth theme Decoding of my key mythemes catalog with not really much attention at all on the question of ahistoricity

I really do think of i

t’s funny how much in 2003 I so strongly identified Religious Mythology analogies with the subject of ahistoricity

I do believe that I had was

I had just finished doing massive conversations in the Jesus Mysteries discussion group is where I came from and

I think March 2003 I was on the cusp of turning my attention from that more to the general mytheme decoding to fill in the detail to support my assertion and my commitment that I published in March 2003

and so at that point really I started to propose the meaning of snake and the meaning of rock and the meaning of this myth theme catalog which I constructed efficiently in 2021

and then really put the icing on the cake with the Branching Message Mushroom Trees Decoding Witch I really continue to feel like that’s a kind of a breakthrough of March into April 2022 marked by the mandrake tree Branching tree and marked by Dr. Brown sending me the picture which I didn’t…

you could say that I did not see his picture in Julie’s picture in the book, even though I have the book right here

it was only through discussion email with Dr. Brown that I *noticed* the theme of branches & cutting them: this is that strange massively important word recognizing the word recognizing

the scales fell from my eyes and I recognized what I was blind to before

it’s strange how that works and

I think the Bible comments on how strange that is that we have a veil

God puts a veil in front of our eyes and we look at things and we simply fail to perceive

we simply fail to recognize

it is like there are scales whatever that means scales that fall from my eyes what the hell are the scales anyway

the veil fell from my eyes

before I could not see

now I can see

it was right there in front of my eyes

I never saw the beardless youths cutting the branches with knives even thoughthis is that strange

massively important word recognizing the word recognizing

the scales fell from my eyes and I recognized what I was blind to before

it’s strange how that works and

I think the Bible comments on how strange that is that we have a veil

God puts a veil in front of our eyes and we look at things and we simply fail to perceive

we simply fail to recognize

it is like there are scales whatever that means

scales that fall from my eyes

what the hell are the scales

anyway the veil fell from my eyes

before I could not see

now I can see

it was right there in front of my eyes

I never saw the beardless youths cutting the branches with knives

even though I had my earth shattering trembling realization of branching nonbranching in 2013 and Dr. Brown’s book came out 2016 showing me that picture of the people cutting the branches

but I failed to perceive it

I failed to recognize it

the scales had not yet fallen from my eyes until only a few days ago when Dr. Brown mentioned it; in an email he quoted the interpretation of the art woman interpreter who was before him who commented on that art before Julie Brown photographed that art

I had known about non-Branching for three entire years or even maybe even from October 2010 , and here it is 2016 and I am seeing a picture of beardless youths cutting Mushroom branches in 2016 book

I was the first person to read it

and even in early March 2022 I still failed to perceive it

the scales had not yet fallen from my eyes and I could not see until a few days ago the screamingly obvious 🤨😞

the previous art historian who denied Mushrooms argued instead that it was just branches cutting, rather than mushrooms

first the art historian says look at the picture shows use cutting branches nothing and she didn’t say anything about mushrooms I guess

“That can’t be a mushroom, because beardless youths are cutting the tree branches, therefore it is not a mushroom. QED.”

then here comes Dr. Brown saying no, stupid, they’re not youths cutting branches; it’s a mushroom tree.

and then number three, I come along and say you’re both right, but I am going to trump you both: I am going to explain how both of you are correct, in a profound way.

this seems familiar, like our argument with Jan Irving versus Dr. Brown versus me re vial.

just like the woman holding the vial that’s designed to look like amanita, and Julie Brown said it cannot be amanita, because it has a serrated base ha ha

it is extremely useful for me to speak on behalf of us the monks roller derby team “our interpretation, us , our , we” have a message for you for your team for your interpretation for

you, coral rock , the Carl rock gang, the doctor secret roller derby team and

we speak to that interpretation and so

I got the impression that Dr. Brown asked how do we interpret how do we assess one isolated interpretation in the isolated field of the sub topic the isolated sub topic of interpreting Mushroom shapes in

The isolated art subject of Christian art an extremely narrow question

it would seem or at least ,

it has a very specific central focus, a centerpoint of focus

but then look at the broad outline scope widely around that center focus point

we are not talking about an isolated single interpretation of a single body of art in a single isolated field

The actual situation is 4 different interpretations across multiple fields and that we are out

we are weighing and assessing how compelling each of the four huge sets of interpretations are

what we have from Tom Hatsis

what we have from Carl Ruck

what we have from Erwin Panofsky

is not merely an isolated interpretation of a single fresco in the isolated art genre of Christian art in the isolated field of intelligence Scholarship entheogens Scholarship but

we do have that at the center it’s true

therefore a interesting Takeaway point:

when we talk about interpreting Mushroom imagery in Christian art, that is the center of the interpretation focus

that’s true but also extremely relevant:

we are also comparing four different interpretations that each span for fields not three but for fields 1234 one field to field three field for field come on piece of shit voice dictation four not three but four retarded

ha ha when I called the voice dictation retarded, it finally spelled FOUR instead of FOR.

it’s true that we are comparing for interpretations of a single fresco but also we are comparing for interpretations of all art and all mythology and all theology of how are we saved

by what means are we saved?

the salvation Salesmen say we are saved by giving them money on an installment plan; Mr. Historical Jesus and wine placebo sacrament ersatz pseudo-Eucharist.

that’s their theology

so when we interpret this fresco, we are also interpreting / proposing a compelling or not compelling theory of theology and also a theory of art, and also a theory of visual communication capability of images: Hatsis’ online article iirc argues (Letcher? i think hatsis, But they’re the same guy anyway, so what does it matter):

can a piece of Christian art 1) depict an identifiable Mushroom , and 2) depict ingesting that mushroom, and 3) depict ingesting that mushroom for the purpose of religious experiencing

so each of the four roller derby teams puts forth in their essay turned in their assignment assigned by Dr. Brown

they have to specify not only their interpretation of the one plain carrot fresco Plaincourault Fresco

their assignment is also to specify their interpretation of theology, and their interpretation of mythology, and their interpretation of the 75 mushroom trees of the Canterbury Psalter

Hatsis refuses to do his homework assignment; he refuses to answer the question and interpret,

Dr. Brown grabs him by the scruff of the neck and forces him to look at the data

witch hatsis says “but I don’t wanna look at the data; I want to talk about my great historian methodology instead of looking at the data and discussing the data, because the data is anachronistic, because I say so”

And then the Dr. Secret team, we’re having a big problem trying to assess whether their interpretation is compelling, because they refuse to tell us their interpretation; they say “it’s a secret”.

it is highly helpful for me to speak in terms of what we the monks put forth as our interpretation and then

I’m talking directly to you Dr. Carl Ruck

I’m talking directly to you Thomas Hatsis

I’m talking directly to you Erwin Panofsky and the popes banker historian for the pope Irwin Panofsky, the great historian of art working for the pope – no conflict of interest there

one most interesting point I made it in last nights recording Egodeath Mystery show:

the Salvation Salesmen actually secretly agree with the monks Interpretation

they pretend to not agree but they actually they know that we speak the truth

but their business plan involves three Interlocked lies in three fields

are these compelling “interpretations” across the 3 fields?

are their lies compelling?

what are our criteria of proof to prove that they are lying across three fields?

they know that the Monks Interpretation in / across these three fields is correct.

when we talk about interpreting the fresco, we are actually talking about interpreting all mushroom Imagery in christian art, which interlocks with our interpretation of all mythology.

what is the nature of mythology, according to Dr. secret and according to Tom Hatsis?

so I speak directly to Thomas Hatsis which is very helpful which is very helpful and

I speak directly to Carl rock that I say :

here’s what our interpretation is , and here is what your teams interpretation is

and as the spokesman for the roller derby team called the Monks, I am throwdown taunting in Tom Hatsis’ characteristic fashion which he is infamous for.

I will crush you! 💪🛼!! I have exemplary sound, tried and true historical criteria, which I wrote somewhere(?) in my amateur online blog posts, but you are simply unaware of my professional-level arguments, because I have E.S.P. and I know what you have and have not read.

Psychedelic Witc– Psychedelic Historian

I am taunting the other roller derby team saying you are lying you’re lying to the professor of what your interpretation is

you are putting forth an interpretation that you do not believe in and

you know it’s a lie a criminal cover up operation

you know that you agree with the Monks a Interpretation

you agree with our interpretation but you’re pretending not to because that’s your business plan

your business plan requires that you lie about the historical Jesus, that you lie about the nature of all mythology

and you put forth Interpretations in these multiple Interlocked fields that you know are all false and

you don’t believe your own interpretations that you put forth for evaluation because you’re trying to block evaluation

you want Dr. Brown’s project to fail

you are againroller derby team

your team Dr. rock

your team Thomas Hatsis

your team Erwin Panofsky and Salvation Salesmen saying you are lying; you’re lying to the professor of what your interpretation is

you are putting forth an interpretation that you do not believe in and you know it’s a lie a criminal cover up operation

you know that you agree with the Monks a Interpretation you agree with our interpretation , but you’re pretending not to , because that’s your business plan

your business plan requires that you lie about the historical Jesus you lie about the nature of all mythology and you put forth Interpretations in these multiple Interlocked fields that you know are all false and

you don’t believe your own interpretations that you put forth for evaluation because you’re trying to block evaluation

you want Dr. Brown’s project to fail

you are against Clear rational ability to assess the four competing interpret interpretations across the four different fields

it is very helpful for me to speak in terms of “our” theory versus “your ” team’s theory

and I am the spokesman for the team the Monks

I speak personally against coral rock and persuade him

he is the team leader roller derby team leader of his teams interpretation system across for fields

and I speak to him personally and directly dear Carl rock we the monks have a message for your team

dear Tom Hatsis we have a message this is a Cybermonk and my team we us our we us our team has a message for you guys

erwin Pulaski I am telling you that your team is lying, across multiple fields telling lies about what your system of interpretations is

what is your answer to me as the team leader of team monks: what is your answer Panofsky

you are the team leader of your teams system of lying Interpretations or pseudo interpretations

what say you tell me the answer Panofsky I speak to you personally directly as one roller derby team leader to another

Team Matchup: The Idiots vs. The Liars vs. The Blind vs. The Speakers of Truth

I discussed last night in recording Egodeath Mystery Show episode 103a 1:15:00

The Salvation Salesmen = Liars

the Salvation Salssemen are liars: they agree w the Monks interp; msh = msh;

they’re lying to Dr. Brown: they don’t believe the interpretation that they are putting forth to try to deceive people in their racket, their business plan, direct conflict of interest.

The Witches = Idiots

in contrast, the technical term for the position held by the Tom Hatsis team called the Witches: they are classified as idiots, rather than liars.

this is the speculative interpretation of meta-interpretation of the other teams’ stated positions.

our team, the Monks, as a meta- layer of our interpretation, we provide compelling evidence for the technical classification that the Salvation Salesmen are liars, but the Witches team are idiots,

because the Witches actually believe their terrible bunk Interpretation which they have submitted for competitive evaluation to see which interpretation is the most compelling and constitutes the greatest proof,

for correct interpretation of mushroom imagery in Christian art, in conjunction with some 4 other interlocked fields and their teams interpretations thereof / therein.

Dr. Secret = Blind

Dr. Secret team Ruck gang is blind,

they dont agree/ their interpretation does not match the Monks’ submitted interpretation, even though it should match the Monks interpretation, since Ruck professes Mythology.

But my model of mythology is incomparably superior to his.

I have managed to translate mytheme language to English or regular language, direct language to explain the details of how myth themes describe the advanced experiencing of the intense mystic altered state from multiple rounds of mixed wine psilocybin wine in the ancient banqueting tradition.

the secret blind entheogen Scholarship

the field of secret entheogen scholarship which makes sure to have absolutely no impact or effect on the world.

they make sure that nobody reads their books, their secret books.

they do secret scholarship, which nobody knows about.

they make sure to keep it that way, by remaining irrelevant and covering stupid amanita, and then pushing to death the idiotic Secrecy Premise.

they publish pictures and tell how they depict Amanita – and then they fail to perceive in those same pictures and they leave it for me to point out obviously.

The tree on the right is mandrake tree with cut branches, indicating communicating nonbranching enlightenment.

Carl Ruck obsesses on red and white specs of paint in Mithras cape

he fails to see the obvious Cubensis, I believe

I believe that he did not mention it.

I believe that Entheos magazine did not mention or say anything about the tree on the right, which is the mandrake tree, which they left it to me to identify and announce it around 2005.

as far as I know.

if Ruck had mentioned the obvious psilocybe in Mithras’ leg in the tauroctony mithraeum, I certainly would’ve noticed.

I have every reason to believe that Ruck was blind to the obvious Cubensis and the obvious Mandrake tree.

so, it’s the Blind Secret Entheogens Theory, is their Interpretation that’s put forth by the team called Dr. Secret.

The Solid Merit of the 2002 Maximal Entheogen Theory of Religion’s 3-fold Classification

I’ve been going back-and-forth on this learning some new things like in 2021 I had to I was forced to go back to read my original definitions at Egodeath.com

how did I define especially the middle level the Moderate Theory

how did i think about that

how did I define it

As I discussed in voice recordings February 2021 and as I wrote in my announcement posting of 2003

at the present website EgodeathTheory.wordpress.com, see the announcement webpage about the maximal entheogen theory, for resource links to the announcement postings of 2003 2002.

Here is the best answer:

The entire way that you differentiate between maximal/ moderate versus / minimal entirely consist only of this one specific point of dispute!

answer this one specific question:

in the middle ages or in the middle period Of a given religion, before the modern era but well after the primitive origin period, did practitioners of the given religion still remember the visionary plants?

Max

if you answer “definitely yes very much they vividly fully had the memory or they had the full present maximum understanding in the middle ages that their religion is about analogies that describe the experiencing from the visionary plants”, if you answer “yes definitely”, then you hold my maximal entheogen theory.

Mod

if you say like Carl rock , the coral rock paradigm , the Carl rock gang that “in the middle ages in the middle historical period of a given religion in the middle ages Christianity people did not vividly remember the visionary plant origins of their religion, but they half mostly predominantly forgot, it was half forgotten then, and there was partial remembering and partial forgetting , and it was secret and hidden and underground, it was slightly present,

some Christians- a significant but very small number of Christians in the middle ages remembered and understood and recognized analogy – The fact that religious mythology is analogies that describe the experiencing of the visionary plants altered state” ,

if generally we can say that a small minority – Carl Rock holds that a small minority of Christians during the specifically during the middle ages – because that’s the era that which is in dispute, which defines the differences of the three positions: Maximal Moderate versus Minimal.

Min

If you answer in the simple negative, and you say “no, we can safely make a general statement that Christians did not perceive Christianity specifically during the middle ages as analogy describing vision plant exper’c,

if u hold that as a rule Christians in Mid Ages did not perceive visionary plants, and they did not recognize or think of religious mythology as analogies that serve to describe the experiences of the altered state resulting from visionary plants, then you are a minimalist.

that is what specifically and precisely, that is exactly what defines the minimal entheogen theory Interpretation.

Buy the above measure from 2003 I really presently at the moment I do not see a way to add a fourth level to that because no matter how much far better I am in 2022 I am far far better at fluent speaking the language of methane is Mythemes; In particular I know I am able to read and recognize Mushroom Trees Branching Message Mushroom Trees to perceive the evidence for widespread Psilocybin b

ut this is not in anyway contradicting the extreme maximum things that I wrote in 2003. The only fault or weakness of what I asserted in 2003 was that I didn’t provide detail and that I could not have provided detail about snake rock Branching my 2021 K mythemes webpage catalog and it’s very clear the 2003 announcement was strangely limited to Allegro type Timothy freak and Peter Gandy type the Jesus mysteries but it was not restrict

restricted to that I am I made an abstract and vague but firm and articulate statement without details but it was a very clear-cut statement that the visionary plants religious mythology is description of the visionary plants and there is that’s not the kind of statement that you can surpass by adding 20 years of theory development

The only way that I could improve, if I rewrite an update that posting announcement today in 2022 I will not be putting better ideas forward I will only be putting more detail that’s the only difference the only thing wrong with the 2003 announcement of the maximal Entheogens theory is it lacks specific details about the language of what exactly the specific analogies are in religious Mythology

i’m not really seeing any elbow room to add a fourth layer on top of the 2003 classification scheme

I was neroli and specifically asserting a position about the middle ages

and I made equivalent points about other religions

but it comes down to

I could insert more levels in the middle

but I don’t see room to insert a higher level above my 2003 maximal position

I made general statements specifically about the nature of religious mythology and

I did not accompany that by great detail except I provided massive detail regarding ahistoricity

but even on that topic, I did not give any detail like Max instructed Kafei Max Freakout instructed the podcast guest Kafei Arguing that the story of the crucifixion is the analogies describing our experience and therefore that doesn’t leave room for a Mr. historical Jesus

I did not go into that type of discussion in 2003 announcement

I am sure it is possible to further develop my 2003 threefold classification scheme or insert another level in the middle but what I do not see in contradiction to my claim the other day I do not see any room to put a fundamentally different level above that level of that scheme of 2003 given the way that scheme was defined

I do see the room above the 2003 theory the general Theory but now that I understand exactly what my 2003 maximal classification was and exactly specifically how I defined it defined it I don’t see a fundamental fundamentally do not see any possibility for defining a higher level within that scheme as it is defined and given how that scheme was defined in 2003 I agree that it was a very smart to do

three levels to specify three levels because it is very difficult to quantify Carl rocks position where he says people did and did not know about the visionary plants in the middle ages Christianity his position is so wishy-washy that I have to just put him somewhere in the middle and I am not foolish enough to go for to aim for a false precision if we want to enter into a specific debate that I defined in my 2003 posting

I don’t see an opportunity for any more precision then of what you state that your position is then I think that the Christians knew about visionary plants plain and simple then the minimalist guy says I think that Christians did not know about visionary plants and then Dr. Secret Carl Ruck says I think that Christians in the middle ages kind of understood but kind of didn’t understand

now given that that was the whole driving definition and concept of how exactly and specifically I defined the three positions Maximal Moderate and Minimal it is a very simple division on a very narrow specific point especially if we restrict ourselves to the Christian Christianity in the middle ages we can only aim for more precision but there is no way to improve my 2003 class of us classification scheme given that it’s a debate about the forgot plot

there’s just no way to have a superior model of this sort where we have all three camps agree at the start of religion everybody knew about visionary plants all three camps agree that at the end of Christianity now nobody knows about visionary plants and the only thing that we disagree on is specifically the percentage of you

Usage and understanding of visionary plants specifically in Christianity specifically in the middle ages and what I wrote in 2003 was 100% and I defined the minimalist view as 0% they said nobody understood or used visionary plants in Christianity in the middle ages and

that really does

those 2 extremes only leave a single position, in the middle: the wishy-washy Carl Ruck self-contradictory position, = Moderate; Essentially maybe you could say it’s a linear forgot plot that at the midpoint of history, we had halfway decreased in knowledge/use of visionary plants.

So it is true that I could design a better maximal entheogen theory it’s more detail than that includes four levels here in 2022 then I could in 2003

it is true that I am much better positioned to perceive the evidence to prove my 2003 assertion

but it is not possible to correct the simple essential extremely basic classification scheme that I defined in 2003 in which I said I believe that in general Christians in the middle ages used intelligence they were all over the place and everybody understood them now in 2021 I gathered proof of that the only improvement I made was that I found proof which proved that the 2003 assertion was correct

all of my latest discoveries don’t show the weakness of my 2003 assertion and my classification scheme rather they prove that I was right in everything that I said so far as I said

I do think it’s odd that I made a blanket statement which was very true extremely true statement that religious mythology describes the visionary plant experiences you can never outdo that statement except to add precision such as reducing Psilocybin re-dosing and you can add a lot of wisdom to prove and to perceive the evidence to support that 2003 assertion it does look all that in 2003 I almost seem to conflate

Jesus a historicity with the whole topic of religious Mythology it is odd that I didn’t mention those things that I hadn’t figured out yet like snake rock Decoding mythemes

but I made abstract general principle statements in 2003 that are impossible to outdo

So I was very successful in 2003 of shutting out the evil future me (2022 me), and not letting/allowing any room for a evil future me to slip in and out-radical the 2003 me. after all it’s not like I said in 2003 most religious experiencing is description of visionary plants affects and when I did say anything like that I explained that the reason I do that is to put on a show of reasonableness for example I believe Joseph Smith existed as an identifiable historical founder figure

so the evil past me has not really Allowed me a win here but has merely allowed me to contribute in such a way that everything I contribute will merely prove correct the 2003 me

just piling on more detail and more proof that everything I said then was true and correct

including my proposal of a classification scheme of 100% extreme at the top, 0% presence of visionary plants at the bottom, and then Carl rocks slip and slide somewhere in the middle and definitely not taking my hundred percent maximal Position.

So is the bottom line is that :

yes I am free to add a second, additional system;

I can do an enhanced, some kind of an enhanced Maximal theory, but in no way can I “replace” my 2003 Maximal enth theory of religion.

it’s not replaceable

it can be enhanced, but it is not possible to replace it because

everything that I discovered is Just proof of how very right I was about the nature of religion and

I held to my firm conviction that even if we seem to appear to not have evidence, I said too bad for the “evidence “

I am confident that the mushroom use/ entheogen use was there

maybe possibly we don’t have concrete evidence, but I am sure that the usage was there.

And I am firmly committing to it ; damn the “evidence”; full speed ahead! – 2003 me

I psyched it out, I took a confidence-based approach; I did not take a stupid “evidence-based ” approach , which is always a phony and fake, where you’re not given the real evidence in your given pre-interpreted ruined evidence, that’s ersatz evidence that’s masking the real evidence

and one take on that is :

if we don’t see the evidence, there’s something wrong with our eyes

I know that the evidence is there

and I am committed to acting on the assumption that the evidence is there, but we just can’t see it

and this kind of fervent commitment – which is not demonstrated by the Carl rock camp – is what enabled me but not other people to learn to perceive the evidence which indeed was there:

75 mushroom trees in the Canterbury Psalter for example

and Erwin Panofsky’s hundreds of mushroom trees; “there a standard type, they’re everywhere” they’re ubiquitous

“my God, it’s full of mushrooms!” –

Christianity in the middle ages, in the middle, in the center, in the heart of Christianity.

the 2003 theory is very well (smartly) defined; it is defined in a very strong, sound way

It can be added to ; we can add a different, additional version, but we can’t replace 2003 Max entheogen theory

tearing that down is nonsensical

the proposal of tearing down my 2003 model is nonsensical

Egodeath Mystery Show Chock Full o Clever Laffs

there are so many good little short clips buried in these two-hour long episodes

Last night I was again reading aloud my March 2003 posting defining the Maximal entheogen theory of religion, and it turns out that I *did* integrate the mytheme theory, *but* because of my focus at the time, I extremely emphasized ahistoricity of founder figured as my example of “myth is analogy describing experiences in the altered state”, not my 2006 or 2020 catalog of mythemes like {snake, tree, rock}, which was very thin and still just had the character of “initial early tentative hypothesis yet to be proved/ confirmed”, rather than fluent mastery of the language of Mythemese at the time, in 2003.

well this is working out pretty well because I was starting to ask in the past couple of days when am I going to discuss the relevance of the Allegro Interlocked Taboo Pair of the subject of {Jesus didn’t exist or Big Bang versus gradual confluence theories of the formation of the Jesus figure} which we must it is required for us to do drug policy reform

it is required that we be expert at debating and discussing these interconnected topics tangled locked

The bad guys in the status quo think that they have us trapped and locked because we cannot alter any one piece of their false puzzle because we would have to alter all of the rest of the pieces of their false puzzle and

they think we’re too stupid and don’t have the balls to call bullsht on every one of their fake puzzle’s pieces all at the same time

they think that they have everyone in an interlock trap because nobody has the imagination like allegro did to challenge more than one presumption Presupposition Simultaneously in conjunction in an integrated way

This is an aspect of Allegro that we have to discuss aspect number three – not only mushrooms; not only no historical Jesus; but rather, specifically, the fact that Allegro combined these two positions/ interpretations in conjunction.

we have to discuss combining multiple fields’ alternative positions in conjunction, like Allegro did. this is and it’s brought in general form the allegro move regardless of which topics we are talking about we have to do an Allegra move we have to follow allegros lead and do a multi field integrated shift of imagining new propositions across more than one field stop arguing only as if intelligence is an isolated field and that our interpretations strictly reside within a hermetically sealed off, isolated field of visionary plants , completely separated from the field of mythology which Dr. Ruck’s teaches each roller derby team interpretation each interpretation of Mushroom Imagery and christian art Simultaneously Involved

what is your interpretation

please state – your homework assignment essay:

please state what is your interpretation of mythology,

Tom Hatsis the Witches

the Salvation Salesmen

Dr. Secret and

the Monks

these four interpretations of mushroom imagery in art simultaneously interlock with:

what is your interpretation your teams interpretation of mythology

like look at the great historian Tom Hatsis on every other Thursday, he holds the position – he is also a theologian regarding Eve and the serpent, and that is the real message of the Fresco – *not* nonbranching and revealing Eve’s underlying reality of the eternalism model of time and control, which

the Monks assert the latter interpretation within the interlocked field of mythology and of course theology, because as Tom Hatsis has pointed out, you cannot interpret the fresco without also bringing a proper theology Interpretation.

and so you have to be an exemplary historian of theology, following in the footsteps of the great Tom Hatsis, who explains the meaning, the real meaning and intention of the fresco through Interpretations in multiple Interlocked Fields – and mycology is not one of those relevant fields, according to the team interpretation from the Witches.

We need to discuss this aspect of Allegro that nobody discusses, because the entheogen scholars are too blind and stupid, like Clark Heinrich 1996 was blind and stupid, like John Lash blind and stupid and ignorant, saying that allegro “infamously” asserted that Jesus used mushrooms.

Have you considered taking a quick look at Allegro’s book to see what his position is, dumbasses, before you open your mouth and confirm what everyone suspected, that you have no clue what the hell you’re talking about?

I just heard from Egodeath Mystery Show episode 103B 1:05:00, a really quick impromptu riff on “John allegro does Buddhism”:

I described what what his story would be if you transfer his historical recounting from Christianity to Buddhism, including the Buddhist version of the Plaincourault Fresco, which indicates that in the Japanese Middle Ages, this image provides strong proof that everybody had a dim distant memory of what they had forgotten, which they still vividly remembered, which is proof that they had forgotten, and so therefore by that point in history they had completely forgotten the original Amanita Buddhist cult where Buddha didn’t exist, and the original generation of Buddhist were a secret Amanita cult, but the later Buddhist had forgotten, that as proved by the mid-period Buddhism painting of the Amanita mushroom tree, proving that they remembered that they had forgotten early in their history that they had originally used “THE MUSHROOM” 🍄

Someone better let him know that author that Chris Bennett is dunking on who wrote that relatively recent book about entheogens in Buddhist history

Mike Crowley? or am I getting the names mixed up again?

I have transcended mere facts and factual correctness, I have become, like Ken Wilber, trans-rational 😑

dammit now because I hastened to make a joke first, I forgot my great point I was going to make 😡

egodeath Mystery show episode 102 I think is where I spoke a lot about Theory no data is the rebound when we interpret the evidence this concept of the so-called evidence there is no evidence without interpretation all evidence is interpretation bound what presuppositions and what premises do you covertly

or explicitly bring to the so-called evidence so I became intensely skeptical about the evidence if you according to the article for Dr. Brown in the title I hated the title because the title condoned looking at the evidence or thinking about the evidence from the default Interpretation I said goddamnit this is not fair because as soon as you say the word evidence instantly the default presuppositions system clamps on and so you don’t even get a chance to provide a different interpretation the so-called Evidence

is in practice very very forcefully clamped around it covertly they say they’re handing you the evidence but what they are actually handing you and discussing is the evidence with their invisible default deceptive and convert Presupposition matrix wrapped around each piece of evidence

and every time I read aloud the article titled the original title my gut was sick because I could obviously tell what was guaranteed to happen is it as soon as you mentally picture the so-called piece of evidence like a plain cruel fresco mushroom tree for example instantly it is already pre-interpreted for us by the default covert implicit Presupposition matrix

so then the problem in changing the title of the article to defensively weaponize it

you have to put on the roller derby rink armor for the dust up the combative unfair biased as hell dirty real world battle of interpretations which in which you are guaranteed instant defeat because the match is already pre-decided and I call bullshit on Dr. Brown’s assignment so to speak but his assignment is guaranteed to fail it’s guaranteed to lose ahead of time

UNLESS special defensive measures are vigorously applied so that the enemy Interpretation will suffer instant death and instant came over instead of the default which happens every single time which is that the Challenger the Challenger is given every handicap and disadvantage is loaded onto the challenging team and then the winning the reigning team is given every single advantage including they get to prepackage the so-called evidence with the covert transparent secret bias pre-baked into it into the so-called evidence but what we are given in fact

we are not given the evidence we are not given the Dr. Brown database of art what we are given is the evidence with a secret covert hidden transparent dirty cheating pre-interpretation that’s guaranteed to mean instant game over for the challenging upstart interpretation across multiple fields and so the correct discussion of interpretation must begin as it kind of does in my article the first thing you have to say in the article as I reject your bullshit pre-framed

default pseudo Evidence what you guys are pretending to be the data under evaluation is fraudulent

you’re not giving us the mushroom art images what you are in fact giving us is your predefined covertly sneaky that the judges have already decided in the favor of the reigning team they have already welded around each piece of evidence they have welded a whole system of preset interpretations all covered and sneaky and dishonest and cheating and unfair across four different fields and so when I enter

so the correct approach is to enter the room for debate to enter the debate room

the only correct approach to fulfill Dr. Brown’s assignment is that the first word of the title of the submission of our teams Interpretation

the title must declare that we have already won and put forth our specific interpretation and

I refuse to write a generic article for Dr. Brown that is neutral and toothless and guaranteed to lose because because it is simply neutral and simply fair and simply rational

but the world that we live in it’s none of those things

it is a mud wrestling

brown he says he doesn’t want to do mud wrestling

well welcome to the mud wrestling pit Dr. Brown

that’s the reality where we are and

I have to rewrite the title make slight tiny changes to the article

I have to revise the title to aggressively fight back against this mud wrestling world that we actually live in

the world does not need a neutral reasonable toothless guaranteed to fail assessment of how to fairly assess evidence that will be of equal use by every competing team in the roller derby

I refuse to put forth a neutral system of fair judgment that is guaranteed to lose because the world of debate is the opposite of fair

I will indeed fulfill the homework assignment of specifying a rational and fair system of the evaluation

but the main emphasis of the article of necessity Hass to be 100% biased in favor of my team and

our interpretation are very very specific interpretation of all across all four fields Field and

then as a subsection within that article I will deliver the assignment of the fair assessment of how to compare for Competing Interpretation systems across for field

but the title of the article must announce that we have one and we’re not going to take it any more of your bunk fraudulent pre-packaging of the so-called evidence and then

what we are given is not the evidence but instead we are given a very heavy-handed and yet very invisible default deceptive pre-interpretation across for interlock fields well our title analysis we are here to shatter that move like

I enter the debate room and I loudly proclaim:

“you’re not going to get away with it this time, your covert presuppositions

we’re calling you out

I am exposing you right here I am stating the heart of the specific interpretation right now

my article is biased as hell to guarantee that you have already lost”

i’m taking your dirty moves which would cause me to instant lise, instant game over

and I’m announcing that it is instant game over for you , because of non branching comprehension recognition in the art

because we are here to talk about depictions designed to communicate non-branching and expose you guys and expose your fraudulent pre-interpreted evidence because surprise! mofos , we are announcing from the very title of our article that

the truth is non-Branching

and that non-Branching depictions in art are the proof that you guys are already the losers and that it

today no more of your instant game over for us

today I’m announcing that due to non-Branching Revelation, it is game over for *you*!

for your team’s fraudulent Sudo Interpretations, your sleazy pre-pre-interpretation of the evidence, that dirty move

I am announcing in my sentence number one in the very title of my submission

I am announcing that it’s game over for you , because I’m calling out your bullsht of your pre-interpreted fake evidence that’s not even the evidence

you’re trying to substitute the evidence for pre-interpreted pseudo-Evidence

and I’m announcing right there in the title

it is impossible for you make for you to make your usual one and only dirty move that you always try to do

you have failed, you have already achieved game over – FOR YOUR COVERT PRE-INTERPRETATION NETWORK, exposed right out of the gate, before I even sit down in my seat, losers!

and make it pre-biased in my favor instead of it being the only other alternativeand every time I read aloud the article titled the original title my gut was sick because I could obviously tell what was guaranteed to happen is it as soon as you mentally picture the so-called piece of evidence like a plain cruel fresco mushroom tree for example instantly it is already pre-interpreted for us by the default covert implicit Presupposition matrix so then the problem in changing the title of the article to weapon eyes it and make it pre-biased in my favor instead of it being the only other alternative

if I don’t pre-bias and weapon eyes and pre-package the piece of evidence what is guaranteed to happen is that the status quo default unconscious Presupposition matrix interpretation will automatically be applied and I will suffer instant death game over before it is even started it is impossible to even put forward my interpretation because the default is so forceful and so unconscious so I had to retitle the article to be extremely biased in my favor and break their mental habit

and I needed to make that title not one isolated field I had to make the title cover for different fields here is my interpretation across four fields not one

Egodeath Mystery Show – THE LEADING EDGE

The Great Quest in Antiquity to Find a Psilocybin Equivalent

key realization: it is true that the ancients used other entheogens besides Psilocybin – but, but, but! – what they were doing was the great quest to find a Psilocybin equivalent during off-season

what they wanted to do, what they most wished that they could do, was have psilocybin available always, and not have to resort to their third-rate fallback alternatives.

everybody knew that psilocybin is the benchmark.

psilocybin is the one you want.

psilocybin is the upper class elite king of most desirable of all the entheogens 👑

Communication & Control

OK, thing, come on, Work! I’m trying to announce a big tiny idea here; work, stupid voice transcription POS 🔫

yet another new communication cybernetics technique breakthrough: the format of this message transmission is a (broken malfunctioning) voice transcription micro blog post

Micro BLOG 🤢 Post

blog – That which amateur historian online blogger Tom Hatsis loves to hate

This “exemplary professional level historian” Hatsis can’t even get the name of the great Canterbury Psalter correct; he wrongly calls it the “Paris Eadwine Psalter” – he can’t even make an accurate citation of the Great Canterbury Psalter 🐴🤡

amateur psychedelic witch Thomas Hatsis 👶🍄🧙‍♂️💥

{Two Bowls} Means Re-dosing, not Double Dose

to the right of mushroom tree number 71 out of 75 in the Great Canterbury Psalter the Cubensis banqueting initiation scene the initiation brother with upturned hand indicating that he finished both of his bowls of a Kafei-sized professional mystic double dose of ingesting all 75 mushroom trees at once, actually = re-dosing rounds of mixed wine, per the cultivated ancient psilocybin banqueting technique

Eadwine is mighty pissed at Kafei for eating all 75 of the psilocybin doses at once, like a rank amateur, Hatsis-level beginner psychedelic witch, instead of the proper advanced masterful refined mystics’ technique of re-dosing rounds of mixed wine –

every single two-bit clueless presumptuous 20th-Century hack, biased, idiotic, non-strategic (counter-productive, self-defeating massive strategic misstep) “spir’y & psychedelics” writer: “Are psychedelics a legitimate fake imitation of the traditional [simply, silently ASSUMED to be non-drug] methods of the mystics?”

Are psychedelics a legitimate fake imitation of the traditional methods of the mystics?

every two-bit clueless presumptuous 20th-Century hack, biased, idiotic writer in the special issue on Psychedelics, of Tricycle & Gnosis magazines

THE TRADITIONAL METHODS OF THE GREAT MYSTICS OF EGO DEATH:

rounds of mixed wine = re-dosing psilocybin to flatten and extend the peak window to be longer than the peak window of the 12-hour lysergic single-dosing curve

I have just proved on April 7, 2022 at 7:55 a.m. that psilocybin does not have a duration of six hours which is half the length of lysergic

that’s a myth

in fact when used correctly, the right way, per “the traditional methods of the mystics”, Psilocybin has a duration of 12 hours, with many hours of ideal, optimal degree of cognitive loosening effect

to flatten the peak curve, to sustain the optimal level of cognitive loosening for arbitrary duration

– Cybermonk

stabbing his control-seizure vulnerability {wound in the right side} from inside out

The left leg means the naïve initial default possibility branching-premised model of world and control, the king steering in a tree

that model cannot bear any weight; it is a false foundation basis; you cannot rely on it during control system failure in the loose cognitive state, in which we understand and experience non-branching in the intense mystic altered state

the control system becomes visible from the light of the fire of loosened cognition

The light illumination of the fire that reveals and makes perceptible the mind, it shows and makes perceptible how the personal control system works which is initially falsely premised on the branching model of possibility, time, and control

There are two plain, explicit indications of the loose cognitive state, that all literate people are to simply read directly off the picture: the fire, and the John Rush lifted garment with the mushroom in the hem, as we can see in Dionysus’ Victory Procession mosaic in Dionysus’ hem, exactly isomorphic, when we cross-decode across Hellenistic and Christian art.

additional new commentary on the comic panel if this piece of sht voice transcription will actually work and not backstab me just like my recording tape deck failed to pick up my brilliant profound ideas and threw them in the garbage can 🗑😡

The initiate brother on the right, the artist needs to indicate definitively that both of those bowls belong to him

this is why his left hand is employed to depict touching a bowl and his right hand is touching a bowl so that we know it is explicitly stated by the artist to the viewer that both bowls definitively belong to him

light years beyond Muraresku’s massively hubristic ⚡️ claim that we modern scientists [already, even while lacking the Egodeath theory] are superior to the geat hierophants of antiquity –

has ignoramous outsider “I’m a professionally licensed certified clinician session guide” braggart Muraresku even *heard of* the ancient psilocybin mixed-wine banqueting tradition?!?!

we are to read these as the sophisticated cultivated technique of rounds of mixed wine which the ancients normally that was their normal standard technique for mythology tale-telling entertainment advanced banquets after mystery religion initiation

they did not eat both bowls at once at the same point in time like Kafei is trying to do;

The adept mystics (not the Hatsis-level amateur psychedelic witches) would ingest first one bowl that is the quantity which will bring the mind exactly to the right optimal level of cognitive loosening, and then two hours later ingest a second bowl, which would cause the mind to remain at the optimal level for an extended time to flatten and extend the mystic state optimal flattened extended peak window

so don’t say that “mushrooms last shorter than the 12 hour lysergic” – that’s only true if you’re stupid and fail to use the re-dosing traditional ancient banqueting standard re-dosing technique of the professional mystics, like a rank amateur, beginner psychedelic witch 👶🍄🧙‍♂️

Easter, April 17, 2022

the immature, childish, irrelevant form of entheogen scholarship = descriptions of plants, debate about plants

the mature, adult, relevant form of entheogen scholarship = descriptions of experiences from plants, debate about experiences from plants

Interpreting descriptions of experiences from plants : how is this (branching) image of a plant used to describe the experiences from the plant, and how do we interpret that?

this is a mature, adult interpretation, not stupid, pointless arguing at a children’s level, about “spot the mushroom” – Is it a 🍄?? Yes, or No?? 👍💥👎

in this episode I plan to maybe do an adult Interpretation of the salamander image probably referencing canterbury’s tree 71

and probably mentioning the snake with legs in the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Canterbury Psalter, comparing it with the shape and morphology of the salamander

explain what the salamander is touching and especially now latest news is describe what the salamander is not touching what the salamander is avoiding touching

and describe the pink initiate balancing in the tree is avoiding touching

although the red hanging hanging initiate does touch the sword of God , but it is understood that to do so is control instability death.

so demonstrate adult level mature sophisticated not crude but actual bona fide Interpretation

the appropriate type of interpretation

not some inarticulate some up or like Sam Renee saying that mushroom tree which has all kinds of branching features and strangeness going on , because it has spots in my black and white photo, we’re going to instantly label it as Amanita, and then we our interpretation is finished.

the mushroom in the children’s book has spots, therefore our interpretation is that it must be Amanita, end of discussion. 🍄

My critique is scathing that all three of the other teams are interpretations other than the Maximal eternalism theory of Eucharist Christian art religious art all three of them together amount to because none of them are eternal of them paternalism because none of them are the maximal eternalism Theory they are all by default they remain all in the same childish undeveloped state state they are just three different expressions of the same childish undeveloped state of the field regardless of whether it’s

1) to maliciously replace the Eucharist with a placebo for profit as a dishonest busy Business model

or 2) whether it’s because of a infantile fixation on secrecy like Dr. Secret and a childish fixation on toy red and white children’s book mushrooms and where’s Waldo, spot the mushroom

or 3) whether they want to replace the Eucharist by witching scopolamine plants

it’s all the same: they’re replacing Psilocybin by something that’s not psilocybin,

regardless of 1) wine or 3) henbane or 2) amanita, the result is the same: you have something other than the real deal ; you have something other than the Psilocybin which transforms the mind to reveal nonbranching

so you just have three different versions of {literalist ordinary state possibilism thinking premised on autonomous control}

you have egoic delusion and the rest is details: the difference between 1) Salvation Salesmen team, 3) the witches team, and 2) the doctor secret team.

by virtue of not being the {eternalism non-branching}, enlightened view, they all default to being based in the same egoic dilusion, those on the outside, on transformed conventional childish thinking about this subject about this field

then I can discuss the different the futility of Santorini trying to have two columns: one column is Amanita Trees & one column is …

they’re not even labeled columns, are they

they’re not even clear

he just says vaguely And to concretely like a child who has no abstraction ability “Trees of the Plaincourault type”

these are not proper, abstracted, labelled classification categories

but his approach won’t work anyway, because Canterbury shows us that the artist combined 4 defined Mushroom families, four of them, kept mentally distinct and yet recombined.

and Sam Renee’s approach is not going to work, it’s too crude because it assumes That all aspects of a given Mushroom will consistently be of a single one of the four types or the what he says are the two types but he doesn’t even label his to type so it’s not even clear what he’s asserting it’s not even clear what his classification scheme is it’s to concrete it’s too crude and concrete ; his table falls short of being a classification system.

it’s just too crude of a classification scheme.

he doesn’t even have clear labels.

he doesn’t even do a good job of labeling his own crude inadequate 2- column scheme, two-column table of the three examples of the vaguely classified “Plaincourault type” and three instances of the vaguely classified- I don’t know what he calls right-hand column.

so I will take another look at that table.

I went to print out my enhanced version of his article, and I didn’t print it , because it’s 81 pages!

ep 118 Egodeath Mystery Show – Legs on a Snake

DONE- I need to remember to produce last night’s recording for April 16 – I think that will be episode 118. see idea devmt pg 13

I have just printed out two articles pdfs from Samorini: the one about Plaincourault and the one about Mushroom Trees in christian art.

They are extremely dense PDFs, very hard to read and meditate on, because they are just awkward to work with, like microfiche.

After I did about 75% of the work to make a readable webpage, December 20, 2020, of Samorini’s article on Christian Art Mushroom Trees, I was so worn out, I only did a little bit of reading and commentary of that result.

and I didn’t even comprehend some important things because I never really read my webpage that I made.

And I would not have read my webpage, because it was not ready to read, because I had not finished doing the basic formatting to produce a readable version of Samorini’s article.

His articles’ formatting is very far from being readable.

So it is no wonder, when people discuss Samorini’s article, their discussion is very limited, because the article is formatted in a very unreadable way, with no headings, no Contents, gigantic paragraphs, no white space at all, distracting Italian on the left column, very tiny font, etc.

He is even missing- he forgot to add the Bibliography entry for Clark Heinrich’s book strange fruit (1994)!

April 6, 2022

Egodeath Mystery Show: the leading edge

this is a podcast with a very latest leading edge entheogen drug policy reform

and repeal of prohibition returning to 1913

for centuries and centuries and millennia there were no prohibition laws and we lived just fine

until this racket, this pestilence, landed & descended

these fraudulent racket racket scam evil antichrist dishonest fake laws that we don’t need and we never needed them

get them out of here

they’re not handed down from God, they’re handed down from Satan

this bunk fake fraudulent prohibition version 2.0 scam racket is just the same as the Salvation Salesmen and the Meditation Hucksters are all in cahoots.

It’s all the same junk.

The really Maximal entheogen theory:

new 2022 version after 19 1/2 years since version one in 2002 , but this time around, it’s being defined now with full complete knowledge of mytheme decoding, including non-branching, and including, very importantly, non-branching, or branching-message mushroom trees, in particular.

but also with full mapping of Eucharist, recognized as re-dosing Psilocybin.

And strong emphasis on specifically mixed wine as rounds of re-dosing Psilocybin.

Not just saying the stupid brainless word “mushroom” – by which everybody (exactly the same as Hatsis) pictures wildly irrelevant Amanita, instead of the correct thing, re-dosing Psilocybin.

It’s like if I tell you the words “Italian umbrella Pine” and you picture a Christmas tree: No! you’re picturing the entirely wrong thing.

Mobile Page

Short simple mobile mobile version page, in contrast to the long heavy structured page that’s edited using computer

I have a official page for this, podcast ideas, but I need a fresh page – or maybe more to the point is that I for mobile page editing I need a short simple page not the podcast ideas page which is relatively complicated and heavy weight plus there is some data risk of data loss if I mix if I edit a page both through the computer and mobile device that’s bad so things need to be split into long complicated pages edited on the computer versus short simple pages made edited with mobile device

don’t cross The two streams; keep them separate

The day we throw Amanita in the garbage, is the day we legalize Psilocybin.

Cybermonk, Egodeath Mystery Show Episode 102b – It’s a Package Deal, 42:00, April 5, 2022

The episode explains how the Ruck (Dr. Secret) gang’s directionless, non-activist, unfocused, regressive, 🍄-fixated, immature, non-strategic approach to entheogen scholarship is worthless and irrelevant for repealing Psilocybin Prohibition.

Amanita is the false king; Psilocybin is the true king.

To repeal Psilocybin Prohibition, the following are MANDATORY:

Learn the mytheme language per the Egodeath theory; learn the Egodeath theory including mytheme theory; this is REQUIRED, to even just perceive the massive evidence & prove that our own religious tradition is strongly and primarily Psilocybin based, Greek Roman Jewish & Christian, Western Culture, so give us our damn Religious Freedom, NOW!!

Ditch Amanita 🍄–>🗑; put all 100% of investment on focus on Psilocybin. Make your scholarship useful and relevant, Ruck gang, & Letcher Hatsis too.

You claim to be a historian – then damn it, make yourself useful!!

Carl Ruck, you call yourself a professor of mythology, and you’re failing to leverage it to actually make yourself useful and do something with this scholarship.

Learn how to read mythology, to read its message from re-dosing Psilocybin, not your stupid retarded defeatist message of “secrecy” and absence of entheogens.

Mythology is trying to get through to you: it’s trying to tell you that “we all use rounds of psilocybin”.

That’s what Hellenistic, Western. Christendom’s religious mythology is all about, centrally: re-dosing psilocybin.

Trashcan your stupid worthless irrelevant sideshow distraction of stupid amanita – my God, let it go!

Make yourself relevant, make yourself useful.

Have a purpose behind your scholarship, your random directionless piling up of pointless books year after year accomplishing nothing and not even *trying* to accomplish anything!

Start trying to make this scholarship accomplish something.

Change the world.

Leverage your mytheme & entheogen scholarship to do something that affects the world.

The mythology is trying to tell you to, listen to the mythology, it’s telling you you’re supposed to accomplish something with this scholarly investigation work.

Leverage your scholarship, adopt a goal, take on a mission: Repeal Prohibition of relevant Psilocybin, not stupid, already-legal amanita!