Contents:
- Amanita Strawman Strategy: Conflate All Mushrooms with Amanita, Dismiss Amanita, then Declare That You Disproved “Mushrooms” – Unbelievable Lack of Awareness of Images of Liberty Cap & Cubensis in Christian Art, Zero Consideration, Blinded by Amanita-Obsession/ Fixation/ Reductionism
- Evidence That He’s Never Seen Liberty Caps: They Have Tassles, Which Flips His Argument Against Him – His Argument Backfires; Tassels Are Evidence for Liberty Cap
- Titanomachy — Battle of Levels of Old vs. New Gods, Modelled After Battle Between the Old/ Lower Level’s Possibilism-Thinking vs. the New/ Higher Level’s Eternalism-Thinking
- The Golden Fleece – 50 Pages of Interrupted Stories within Stories for a 5-line Search Hit Paragraph
- Notation for Defining a Compound Keyboard Shortcut, Because Not Just Sacrifice {Ego}; Sacrifice {Ego in Tree-World}, so Need Compound Pair of Kept-Distinct Phrases
- High Culture Was Strikingly Fluent in Mythology Analogies for Initiation — Routinized Use of Mushroom Mixed-Wine to Flip the Mind’s Personal Control System from Possibilism to Eternalism — Impressive Evidence of Routinized Mushroom Initiation, Highly Articulated in Mythic Analogies, Observable through Mythemese Fluency
- The Personal Control System Is Penetrated in Two Distinct Ways in Conjunction:
By the veiled control-thought injector.
By the worldline of control-thoughts.
- Mytheme: {skeleton} per Brown; Eve “I’ve Been {skeletonized} *and*{disrobed}”, in Plaincourault Amanita Tree Fresco
Incoming Ideas
December 1, 2013 Announcement Posting of the “{tree vs. snake} = possibilism vs. eternalism” Breakthrough
Posted on Sunday, December 1, 2013; 2 days after my Friday, November 29, 2013 breakthrough.
Subject:
Deciphered: tree vs. snake means Possibilism vs. Eternalism
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/13/egodeath-yahoo-group-digest-124/#message6340 — complete long posting:
A week-long Art High: This week, I got confirmation of my hypotheses of around a year ago, about branching vs. non-branching, tree vs. snake, branching antlers of a stag, in ancient Greek & in Christian mythic art. Confirmed: artists understood that mystic revelation about moral agency is a matter of moving from freewill thinking to no-free-will thinking, moving from autonomous monolithic personal control to puppet/slave/ rail-driven personal control with 2 levels or layers of control involved: the transpersonal driving layer (hidden thought source you must trust your life to) and the personal local locus of control-power (a reactive driven-gear, your forceful control-power that you exert is forcefully steered by the rail: you are forced to push in the direction that the hidden controller has pre-set you to push).
Diagram of Possibilism (the diagram fails to show the tree) vs. Eternalism (rigid snake worm worldline in rock/block universe): http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-bebecome
Another daring hypothsis from me has been confirmed: Pre-moderns in loosecog had equivalent of multistate or altered state-based Cognitive Science, about 4-D spacetime (the Rock Universe), illusory control power (kingship, vs. puppet/slave), mental construct sequences positioned in spacetime (ivy strand with leaves; pine cone that opens its scales when dry and closes its scales when wet).
The art evidence emphatically and pointedly confirms my theorizing of a year ago that the man riding the donkey or horse toward the broken-branch tree trunk with snake, on sargophagii, means awareness passively being carried forward in time along your frozen rigid worldline, while the donkey or horse — a separate control-agency component of the psyche — steers your thinking, following the invisible rail(way). The donkey is the personal steering among virtual possibilitiyy branches through time. The one possibility branching path that is destined and pre-set and pre-existing is the path the steersman donkey is forced to follow, forced to choose.
The artworks convey “is personal moral control agency power a matter of possbiility branching, as you originally think and feel in the OSC, or is it non-branching, like snake/ivy/monocoursal/dragon/serpent/worm/ Eve’s long hair? ” The artworks say “You thought possibility branching, with you having that particular key kind of power: steering-control power of a kind that can manifest either branch A or B into the future. But per Peart, No One at the Bridge, in the mystic state you see you have no arms to steer, no power in the present to steer to one vs. a different future branching-path.
This system of art confirmation is maximally profound, exactly as powerful and reputation-boosting as the confirmation of bending of light near the sun in a complete solar eclipse some time after Einstein predicated light bending near the sun’s gravitational spacetime-curving field. Artworks directly and pointedly confirmed during the past few days, that the ego-transcendent understanding and knowledge about moral agency is a matter of repudiating Possibilism and affirming Eternalism, and trusting in your near-future worldline & hidden source of control-intentions, not battling against that.
Art clearly and definitely confirms my Cybernetics/Heimarmene/Entheogens/Metaphor (CHEM) explanatory model of myth & religion. The kylix (saucer-shaped shallow cup) painted by Douris completely fits with and affirms the Eden tree of knowledge. This art confirmation, though “merely confirmation” of my breakthroughs of a year ago, I report that this mere confirmation actually caused substantial link-tightening and compaction of my Theory of ego transcendence and metaphor — the *real*, relevant, central, driving force in the mystic altered state, the *real* nature of ego transcendence (as discovered in my initial, main, January 11 1988 “Crystalline Ground of Being & concomitant non-control” breakthrough). Journal of Transpersonal Psychology in 1985-1988 asserted that ego transcnedenence is spatial unity. I said no, ego transcendence is illusory control together with Eternalism (one’s future stream of control-intentions is pre-set, pre-arranged into a rigid snake shaped future-worldline).
The pearl of great price: The unenlightened illegitimate king sends Jason to retrieve the golden fleece. The fruit of the tree in the Garden (of Hesperides/Eden) is Transcendent Knowledge about personal control power being illusory; the fruit of the tree is understanding Cybernetics/Heimarmene/Entheogens (CHE) (including understanding how Metaphor describes Cyberneics, Heimarmene, and Entheogens/Loosecog; M->EHC). Metaphor describes entheogens causing loose cognitive binding revealing fatedness and non-control.
In religious myth, Metaphor describes entheogens experiencing Heimarmene & Cybernetics.
M->EHC
CHEM:
C – Cybernetics, personal control power; loss of control; self-control seizure, control vortex, non-control, autonomous personal control, switch from autonomous kingship to puppet/slave following hidden rail into future, unable to control which control-intentions come up in the fountain/spring/wellspring behind awareness.
H – Heimarmene; no-free-will; pre-existing near-future control-intentions; block universe; worldline; non-branching possibility tree.
E – Entheogens; loose cognitive binding state, mental model transformation.
M – Metaphor, myth, religious myth, esoteric symbol usage about C/H/E above.
Joseph Campbell says there’s no (single) Myth for our time. I say the equivalent of the myth-system of our future, quintessentially late-Modern or transitional to post-Modern, is my layout: an explicit non-metaphorical Core Theory plus mapping that to reliigious/mythic/esoteric metaphor, and, as far as *specific* brand-styling, we must consider STEM-style themes like:
o In the Matrix series, the Animatrix movie’s tripping android segment
o Rush songs — not Pop Sike (girl-relationship as metaphor for acid experiencing) but Tech Psych (STEM as metaphor for loosecog experiential insights)
….. The Body Electric
….. Cygnus X-1
….. Vital Signs
….. Chemistry
http://egodeath.com/rushlyrics.htm
(STEM means Science, Technology, Engineering, & Mathematics. A standard acronym.)
In the present, late-modern or post-modern era, we won’t have a myth (in Campbell’s sense), per Campbell. My response is that we will have correct non-mythic explicit explanation of ego-transcendent knowledge & no-free-will, and, we will have correct mapping to all past mythemes/tropes and the ability to created unlimited number of themes/tropes. Metaphor-only expressions of one’s correct understanding of TK proved (historically) to have problems, so it is urgent that everyone knows the non-metaphorical Core Theory, my Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence per my 1988 first drafts and 1997 summary at Principia Cybernetica (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/message/5870).
Transcendent Knowledge (Cybernetics/Heimarmene/Entheogens/Metaphor) is the forbidden fruit forbidden to the egoic mind. The fatedness snake-dragon guards the fruit of the tree of knowledge of the illusory nature of moral control culpability in light of no-free-will and the pre-givenness of all your control-thoughts. Your snake made you choose as you did; you had no meta-choice; you have pseudo-freedom, the illusion of having the kind of steering-power that can select some other possibility branching path. The heimarmene snake dragon serpent monster (this is *the* monster, forcing you to intend against your self-protection programming in such a way that your steering-power with respect to your future possibility branching is shown to be illusory impotent cybernetic control power. You are only allowed to steer how you are forced to steer.
The serpent guards ego-transcendent knoweldge in at least 2 ways:
o If you are among the Elect, the serpent makes you wrestle with and submit to & put full intimate trust in your threatening thought-source, then the serpent as gate-controller lets you pass, to get the golden fleece or eat the apple of knowledge of the illusory nature of moral agency — to get ego-transcendent knowledge. The pearl of great price held in the claw of the challenging/threatening/enlightenment-bringing dragon/monster/serpent: you must sacrifice your childish free-will thinking *and* (stabbing your heart) sacrifice your claim to have the kind of control that could prevent a fatal control-intention from arising; to stop the sea-storm shipwreck control-instability, you must pay the price, repudiate your childish animal naive initial implicit essential claim that you have possibility-branch steering control power.
o If you are not among the predestined, pre-existing Elect, it is impossible for you to get to the fruit, impossible for you to steer down the possibility-branching path in which you gain the elegant pearl of ego-transcendent knowledge; you are pre-destined so that you in the future are destined to not ever come to (this elegant compact explosive system of) ego-transcendent knowledge.
Take my hand, I’ll take you to the other side, to see the truth: the path for you is decided
— Iron Maiden, album Somewhere in Time
Destiny planned out … speculation of the wise
— Bob Daisley, album Diary of a Madman
In these artworks, also I spotted clearly the theme, across systems/brands of ego-transcendent knowledge (= no-free-will, interlinked with personal non-control (non-sovereignty)).
o Jonah being spit out by the sea serpent
o Human torso w/ serpent legs in the Gigantomachy
o Snake in Eden tree: Eve’s torso with arms, or just her face, and a serpent lower body.
o Jason in the kylix (saucer-cup for drinking mixed wine/mushroom wine) painted by Douris, ego-dead, torso coming from the guardian heimarmene-dragon/serpent.
Sometimes the serpent’s head is shown in addition to the human head. Usually the human has arms but I especially resonate with the Eden serpent that just has Eve’s face; she has no arms to steer into her future possibility-tree branches, and the serpent has no arms.
Invisible railways crackle with life
— Rush/Peart, Spirit of Radio
Printed as “airwaves”, sung as “railways” the first time, “airwaves ” the 2nd time.
Theology is too policitized, it is misleading, and you have Augustine’s winking asymmetry: God is the author of good, humans are the author of evil. God is all-powerful, all-good, and isn’t the author of evil (directly or indirectly). But the entire Theology industry knows this is self-contradiction. Gnostic-like thinking (in whatever metaphor-systems of ego-transcendence) solves that by splitting the creator god (who is responsible for layout out our evil actions in spacetime) saying the evil creator (Demiurge) *is* the author of evil, and the high God is purely good and isn’t the creator. Theology advocates confusion and waffling, leading Reformed theologians to falsely say “man’s mind can’t understand this apparent contradiction: God is all-powerful and all-good” when the truth is, it’s blatantly self-contradictory and impossible to “solve” other than by subtle or covert or dishonest meaning-shifting.
Art tells a simple, valuable story: no-free-will, your snake-rail controls & pre-sets your steering, your awareness can only helplessly look on as the future destined thoughts & steering-direction are revealed, and thus God is the author of evil – ‘evil’ as unethical acts and as the delusion of freewill moral culpability. The essence of the story is beautifully straightforward as communicated in art, rather than in Theology: ingest entheogen, see and experience the self-contradictions of freewill thinking & its control-thinking, and switch to no-free-will thinking including the puppet/slave relationship of personal control to time. Alex Grey has not represented the discovery of the no-free-will, consistent, beautiful, attractive, threatening model of personal control in relation to time. This is the frozen-puppet-universe perspective.
I was surprised that “mere” confirmation of my theory by the layered and clustered branching antler and serpent and tree and “tree’s guarded treasure”, caused some jackpot updating of my cross-linking: adding new insights and giving an *enlightening* confirmation as opposed to mere simple confirmation. Art inspired me to see things even more clearly, simply, starkly: *tree* of knowledge of good & evil; fruit of the tree; golden fleece like pearl of great costly sacrificed price — the snake is the fruit of the tree; the fruit is the product of mentally considering tree vs snake, posssibility branching vs. monocoursal linear nonbranching; Possibilism vs. Eternalism & concomitant personal control power implications.
Artworks’ confirmation of my snake vs tree theory, and man riding donkey/horse/panther (or snake-drawn cart), toward branchless tree with snake, caused massive adjustments to the cross-linking in my theory — not negating anything I wrote, but tightening and affirming it, such as confirming my assertion that pre-modern elites understood 4D block time, loosecog, and levels of control.
That’s one example of how daring I’ve been always in my Theory: I had to make an entire set of ideas that each totally conflict with strong dogmatic assumptions. Pre-moderns were stupid, we assume, and yet, we late-moderns were the clueless ones who were incapable until me of reading the simple message encoded by Douris and the pre-modern or early-modern artists: snake vs. tree, fruit reveals no-free-will & its concomitant ramificaitons for personal control morality steering power.
Art’s confirmation of my theorizing about branching, of a year ago, only showed me a few truly new insights this week, yet I’m getting a huge reading: my feelings report that the ability to more and more quickly read and decipher these metaphor artworks resolving them into no-free-will, or “Cyb/Heim/Enth” concerns, I detected or “heard the jackpot sound” of linking-updating the cross-linking throughout my Theory of myth & religion. It by today has become clear and feels simple: mystic revelation shows simply no-free-will; map the athiest no-free-will books’ phrases to *esoteric* religion.
Everything Sam Harris asserts in discussing no-free-will maps *directly*, consistently, to religious myth — to higher-order, esoteric religious understanding. It’s only exoteric, lower-order religion that clings to the childish sinful confused self-contradictory freewill idea which posits and includes the feeling of, being a control steering power agent, a kind of control that is precisely the impossible aspect: the power in the present of steering into more than one real possibility branching path — that is the key core central power we assume and that we iniitally take as real, forming our moral control agent identity and its supposeed moral culpability.
The adult must cast off both the freewill assumption and the control meta-steering power assumption, but through intense overwhelming experiencing in loosecog, not speculation based only in the tight cognitive binding state — not the model of linear time & linear domino-chain causality. With my main article in hand, and my snake vs. tree revelation of switching from Possibilism moral thinking to Eternalism thinking, It is possible now, without entering the loosecog state, to have a correct and clear 2nd-hand understanding of control seizure and revelation of this specific kind of non-control, and changelessness of your near-future sequence of control-thoughts or control-intentions.
Joseph Campbell and Ken Wilber are not wrong so much as grossly massively incomplete. When the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence a la my first mid-1988 article drafts is inserted into Wilber’s system or Campbell’s, their systems are overwhelmed and totally dominated by my system, which is CTET/TK/Egodeath theory / the CHEM (M->E->H&C) model of ego transcendence & religious myth & esotericism-based tropes such as narrow escape in ancient novels.
My Egodeath (CHEM or M->EHC) theory:
M->E->H&C
Metaphor describes Enthoegens for experiencing Heimarmene & Cybernetics limits/vulnerability (“noncontrol”).
Cybernetics is the biggest most soul-shattering topic, Metaphor is the least, so imagine each letter font size from small to big: meHC, or CHem.
When I say “Entheogens” as 1 of 4 key topics, ‘Entheogens’ is a condensed term meaning & emphasizing loosecog — that is, loose cognitive association binding of (as worded per my crucial April 1987 thinking-style change) DMCRMs: dynamic mental-construct relationship matrixes — MCs (mental constructs), for short. This is an example of how I have deciphered metaphors describing what’s revealed in loosecog, and have engineered a language that is optimized for discussing efficiently ego-transcendent knowledge.
I feel guilty for only really speaking 1 language (English), but to redeem myself, I have fully cracked the mystery encryption code to fully explain what is actually essential in religious myth, and I have formed and shared a highly efficient language to discuss ego-transcendent knowledge. Each brick component of my theory I have customized, modified, and optimized; I have contributed “bricks” in many fields but the value of those bricks is superior because my bricks fit together successfully across fields. identifying analogies others that other investigators didn’t recognize. 20th Century research in myth & religion uses English, French, German, Greek, & Latin, but those are equivalently clueless and really only amount to 1 language. I provide the other language, that of the CHEM model I have created and discovered, rediscovering the essence but putting forth the first efficient systematic useful practical omni-powerful model that explicitly gives the solution to all the mysteries that matter.
I deciphered Moses’ seeing the burning bush = the subjectively moving present, seeing illusory unreal virtual possibility branching, like a hanging rope/fuse, with a smalll, localized flame climing up. A possibility branching bush with only the pre-existing branching-path being real; the other possibilities are virtual-only possibilities; they are impossible because not fated; those other, illusory branches are the branches which do not match what is happening in your worldline in your future.
Professors who lack my Egodeath theory are clueless and need to know that my theory will accellerate their work ideally and provide the ideal perfect solutions.
Researchers of Western ancient religion are doing a reset now, revisiting more carefully their assumptions, shaking off the horrible and confused Christian apologist historians — the equivalent of my desecrating and p*ss*ng on the pathetic worthless books around 1994. Previous books are as much misleading as informative. The field is saying “quit believing the biased presupmtions, the shared wrong assumptions. We must mind our assumptions! We couldn’t understand puzzles in religion, because our assumptions were wrong and careless. We must be careful this time in our foundational assumptions and be ready to change our assumptions.
In 2006 when I wrote the main article defining the CHEM model, the Jesus Myth hypothesis was beyond the pale, taboo, and no one heard of it. Now no-Jesus has become mainstream *on the internet* but not in the “real world” (the Establishment media & print-based press), and thank God for the Web, where real people can challenge the confusion of the Establishment position and its slave-scholars it employs and deploys such as the malarkey assumption-laden phrase “entheogens vs. traditional mystic methods”.
Back in the print days, the Establishment had a monopololy and effective censorship (of professors and of real people); they could get away with ignoring and dismissing challenges. Now, thank God, real people (critically thinking individuals) are calling the Establishment-collaborationist academics on their nonsense. It’s a war over defining reality: print vs. online, falsity vs truth, Establishement professors with mental shackles (they want you to wear shackles too) vs. actual free thinkers, who follow the evidence and reason, not politiicized status quo dogma and policed boundaries of what views are permited to be considered. If you are an academic, to write truth, you must post online in an area not controlled by the Establishment paradigm-police.
In 2006, my theory was far beyond the pale, far outside where academics are permitted to comment and write and think:
o No Jesus/Paul/apostles. That was way taboo but now has become a hot topic online, with real thinkers, un-cowed, shamelessly and brazenly challenging the clueless and self-contradicting Establishment academics.
o No free will. That was way taboo but now has become a hot topic online.
o Reformed theology: was shocking to Evangelicals, was way taboo but now has become a hot topic among thinking Christian young guys who move from perfectly clueless high school Christian groups to college and — a few years after me — discovered Reformed Theology.
o Entheogens: officially this is beyond the pale and unthinkable. But recently this has become a hot topic.
o God is the ultimate author of evil.
o You have no power to steer your future or make your future be anything other than the 1 path that always already exists in your future. You merely implement and discover your steering-direction; you cannot choose which path you will steer into.
No-free-will was a serious liability for the Egodeath theory in 2001 (my mythic metaphor deciphering breakthrough year), but suddenly has flipped to be a benefit, a genius insight and commendment for the Theory.
Ahistoricity of Jesus/Paul was a serious liability for the Egodeath theory in 2001, but suddenly has flipped to be a benefit, a genius insight and commendment for the Theory.
Same w/ entheogens.
o Professors who don’t have my perfect omni-successful key theory are clueless.
o Professors who have my perfect omni-successful key theory agree with it, but are censored — but they still need to use my Theory fully in their thinking, and (in the ways that these slaves are permitted by their masters) in their writing.
o Students who don’t have my Theory are cluesss.
o Students who have my Theory agree with it, but are censored by their Establishment-complicit professors and advisors — they need to use my Theory fully in their thinking, and write as they can get away with.
There is no problem of “people who disagree with the Theory”. It’s not possible to understand the Theory and disagree with it, because the Theory works, perfectly and extremely well and no other Theory works at all. The problem is either people don’t have the Theory, or, they have it and therefore agree with it (to understand it is to agree with it) but they are aggressively censored by the Establishment commitments: commitment to historical Jesus/Paul, commitment to generally literalist reading of pre-modern evidence, commitment to underestimating the intelligence (per the Evolutionism ideology) of pre-moderns, commitment to assuming pre-moderns were in the OSC only, commitment to non-entheogenic methods of mysticism throughout *our* culture’s history — white Western European history. Bunk unexamined assumptions a la Schultes’ Golden Book on Psychedelics: if a culture has writing, it doesn’t have entheogens; only if a culture lacks writing, it might have entheogens.
My Theory is perfectly cohernet & simple & successful (massive explanatory power & scope), there’s no other theory. The fields need my theory; it is painful to watch authors fail without the Theory. At this point, writers in the fields of myth, religion, psychology, cognitive science, time, entheogens, and agency, just need to discover that my Theory exists and perfectly explains every essential aspect and puzzle in the field. If only they *knew* my theory, they would hasten to leverage it; it is the solution they are in need of. It’s not a matter of some agree and some disagree; it’s a matter of some have this Theory, some lack this Theory. To know the Theory is to agree with it and recognize the genius of it: so butt-simple, so earth-shattering of all we thought we knew, so totally broad and deep in explantory power. Will the lecture audience agree with it?
That’s off-base: the lecture audience will be shattered, stunned, I have destroyed the world. Don’t bother thinking about the Establishment, because my Theory changes everything: Armageddon, the end of the world as Academia mis-knew it. Now we will need to instruct young adults in high school & college in sacrificing their childish freewill thinking. Not for the educating State to advocate a particular religion; more like, the State needs to teach (in place of “drug education”) what mental control dynamics result from loose cognition, and how these dynamics have been connected with no-free-will. The State can’t push a particular religion, nor illegalize a particular religion. What is religion? Original, source, higher, esoteric religion is the use of visionary plants to induce loose cognitive binding, to explore personal control power and no-free-will. Religion is the use of loosecog to change from freewill thinking to no-free-will thinking.
Should the State, in Education, teach the use of loosecog to change from freewill thinking to no-free-will thinking? That’s not laws pushing one religion or forbidding one religion; it would be educating people in religious cognitive structure transformation. The State should make available to people, in Education, the option of understanding religion in terms of CHEM (Cybernetics, Heimarmene, Entheogens, Metaphor), as a theory/hypothesis, as an alternative to literalist interpretation that’s done only because of ignorance of the CHEM option.
— Michael Hoffman, December 1, 2013
Copyright (C) 2013 Michael S. Hoffman, Egodeath.com. All Rights Reserved. Based on original research & idea development since 1985.
/ end of 2013 announcement posting
Essay: “Cognitive Phenomenology of Mind Manifestation”, in 2013 book: “Breaking Convention: Essays on Psychedelic Consciousness”
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/13/egodeath-yahoo-group-digest-124/#message6320 – Joe posted to the Egodeath Yahoo Group on June 12, 2013:
Subject: Forthcoming essay citing egodeath theory
The forthcoming book ‘Breaking convention: essays on psychedelic consciousness’ (currently available for preorder on amazon)
[probably the following book, probably an essay by an expert on the Egodeath theory -mh]
Breaking Convention: Essays on Psychedelic Consciousness
July 5, 2013
Essay:
Cognitive phenomenology of mind manifestation
David Luke (Editor), Dave King (Editor)
http://amzn.com/1907222227
contains an essay which is based on Michael Hoffman’s theory of mental construct processing (loosening of associations in the psychedelic altered state), and which includes several citations to the egodeath theory website.
The title of the essay is ‘Cognitive phenomenology of mind manifestation’, it covers the following topics:
- Relation of psychedelic tripping to the mind’s association and pattern forming capacities.
- Using analogies to describe altered state experiences.
- Plato’s allegory of the philosopher in the cave, and how it maps onto the psychedelic state.
- Frank Jackson’s philosophical thought-experiments about radically novel kinds of experience, and how they map onto the psychedelic state.
- Andrew Marr’s theory of visual perception, and Jerry Fodor’s theory of mental modularity, and how both these theories imply a broadly representationalist metaphysical view (perception mediated by mental symbols, as opposed to direct perception of external reality).
- Michael Hoffman’s concepts of explicit representationalism and metaperception in the psychedelic state.
- Undulating qualia – the specific way in which ordinary perception of physical objects is altered in the psychedelic state, and how this alteration indicates a representationalist theory of perception.
- Edmund Husserl’s concept of phenomenological epoche (= deliberate ‘bracketing-off’ of natural, habitual assumptions for the purpose of carrying out phenomenological analysis), and how it describes both psychedelic tripping and schizophrenic/psychotic mental fragmentation.
- Freud’s analogy of the mind as a crystal vase which shatters during episodes of psychosis, making the underlying crystalline structure become visible.
- Humphrey Osmond’s concept of tripping as ‘psychotomimesis’.
- Louis Sass’ concept of schizophrenic cognition as ‘hyperreflexivity’ and how this concept also applies to the psychedelic cognitive modality.
- The phenomenological inaccuracy of the term ‘hallucinogen’.
- Benny Shanon’s analysis of the ayahuasca experience, in particular his description of the way in which ayahuasca can reorientate a person’s ontological understanding.
- How the psychedelic state reveals the mind’s basic function of fusing together mental representations with their external referents.
- How Michael Hoffman’s analysis of the psychedelic trip effect explains the proper way in which tripping is related to hallucinating.
- Michael Hoffman’s concept of the mental worldmodel, and how psychedelic tripping can lead to a radical overhaul/restructuring of the mental worldmodel.
- Using the process of waking up from a dream as an analogy for the psychedelic mental reconfiguration.
- Paul Thagard’s writing on paradigm conversion and how it maps onto the psychedelic mental reconfiguration.
/ end of Joe’s 2013 posting
Email Outtakes
A large part of the “reasoning” will be a collection of images that commands/demands attention.
No more facile arm-waving like “they are all just Parasols of Victory”, or like Brinckmann/Panofsky ludicrously generalizes, “They are all Italian Pines”.
Yeah buddy let’s hear you say that too-easy “explaining away”, when the Explanandum is this Official Point-of-Reference Database of Christian Mushroom Images, accompanied by specimen-photos of several types/families (Cubensis, Liberty Cap, Amanita).
How scholars who are committed to a certain research programme and a New Explanatory Framework, can productively move ahead, when there are prominent, vocal naysayers and overrated books spreading their old, superseded, misguided thinking.
I wrote a critical review of the book which Hatsis will have written two years from now, explaining why it completely misses the mark and just piles-on the existing confusion, making it worse.
I threw together a gallery of all known images. People ought to open their eyes and upload many more — such images are not hard to find, as people negatively assume. Such images are common, for good reason.
Many more images must be online but are not tagged to be findable with the desired keywords. When quickly throwing together this page, I contributed several more cropped extracted images to the collection now on the web and (soon) tagged to appear in image-searches.
Yesterday I was particularly pleased at finding my important archive of images from my discussion group (defunct starting today) — my best photo perfectly confirms my identification of an Amanita in a Greek mosaic.
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What it would mean to have a divorce, a split in the field, equivalent to starting a journal that is committed to the explanatory framework, of the maximal mushroom theory of Western religion.
Split the field this way: Break out a distinct research topic, specifically and explicitly:
the maximal mushroom theory of Western religion
to provide a much-needed alternative to the manifestly predominant monstrosity “the Allegro theory”[sic] with its universe of vague confusions & conflations & presuppositions.
Hatsis might do fine research on various topics, but I don’t care about those topics. I only care about the actual leading edge of this one research topic/framework.
By definition, the field/topic/specialty of the maximal mushroom theory of Western religion would explicitly set the guiding principles and explicitly, definitionally state that:
- Allegro is not an entheogen scholar.
- his book is not an entheogen scholarship book.
- Allegro isn’t interested in or knowledgeable about entheogens.
- ALLEGRO IS IRRELEVANT AND OUT OF SCOPE for this topic; he is purely DEAD WEIGHT; an obstacle to be cleared out of the way like my Plaincourault article states, dismissing the abortive non-debate around Allegro; my article instead calls for addressing the real question (just forget about Allegro!!):
- To what extent mushrooms in Greek & Christian religion & culture?
- To what extent mushrooms in Christianity?
- To what extent was the Eucharist recognized as mushrooms?
- To what extent mushrooms in Christianity?
- Explicitly point out Pope Wasson’s extreme conflict of interest.
- Explicit foundational principle & value:
- Robert Graves in 1958 is the best, main starting point for scholarship on
the maximal mushroom theory of Western religion.
- Robert Graves in 1958 is the best, main starting point for scholarship on
ie, for productive scholarship on the maximal mushroom theory of Western religion:
- TAKE DOWN YOUR JOHN ALLEGRO PORTRAIT;
- TAKE DOWN YOUR GORDON WASSON PORTRAIT;
- PUT UP A ROBERT GRAVES PORTRAIT.
TO HELL WITH THE WHOLE TOPIC OF “THE ALLEGRO THEORY”
THE REAL TOPIC IS “THE GRAVES THEORY”
a nice match for “the ego death theory”!
People who fail to meet basic credentials here, need to be disavowed and exposed as rank amateurs (in the bad sense), regarding this topic — they haven’t done the Required Reading; only lopsided engagement with a single author (Irvin), and their “contributions” actually harm and retard the field.
- Hatsis doesn’t know the difference between a cista mystica snake basket and a wine-mixing krater.
- He is functionally unaware (in his argumentation on this topic) that there are other types of mushrooms than just Amanita.
He’s completely unqualified for this speciality, this specialized, specialists’ topic.
You gotta meet the Prereq’s! or else you are not worth “taking seriously” on this topic.
The problem now is, people don’t have a good theory to debate around; instead, they have this vague fog, this blurry & shifting guiding-star that’s popular to kick around, that they call “the Allegro theory”. Which every person free-associates & projects onto. Which every person defines differently. Which, if they actually understood his mentality, they’d acknowledge his total irrelevance to the topic of Western mushroom scholarship, or entheogen scholarship broadly at all.
Robert Graves is an entheogen scholar. (Albeit cut short to 83 pages total, by my count, due to market-censorship ~1957-1973 — plus his unacknowledged communications with Pope Wasson.)
John Allegro is not an entheogen scholar.
Hatsis lost debate partners. Irvin left the field (around 2018) and flipped his own values almost entirely against the field.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=andy+letcher
Letcher should:
- Stop conflating the distinct questions.
- Stop depicting the field (of mushroom scholarship in Greek & Christian art & culture) like an ignorant Pop outsider.
- Debunking Pop theories for a Pop audience is one thing;
- Debunking serious Western mushroom scholarship for a scholarly audience is something else.
- Stop conflating the distinct candidate fungi varieties; separately discuss the various types of evidence and various different hypotheses:
- Italian Pine? The top art historian credentialed expert & the Pope say so — learned, learned!
- Parasol of Victory? Letcher-Hatsis says so in his video, having the audacity to contradict the top art historian (& the Pope, too)!
- Amanita?
- Cubensis?
- Liberty Cap?
I’m amenable to countenancing a split in the field.
I’m prepared to write-off the naysayers and ignore them and continue getting on with productive, unconfused research within the committed, “New Research Framework”, eg the maximal mushroom theory of Greek & Christian culture/religion/art.
I may propose that Divorce, an agreement to mutually ignore the other camp.
- Are people on board with the Minimalists — Brinckmann, Panofsky, Pope Wasson, Letcher, & Hatsis;
- or are they onboard, committed, with the Maximalists eg Michael Hoffman/Brown/Brown?
PICK A SIDE! Invest & commit carefully; one side is going to be a laughingstock.
The in-side, the out-side;
those on the outside, or those on the inside — which side are you on?
Not to mention the wishy-washy fence-sitting, wobbly, self-contradictory Moderates: maybe Mark Hoffman, & Carl “Everywhere a Secret” Ruck.
I am done paying any attention to naysayers — don’t need ’em; I have no need to give them the time of day — but, they plan to mis-lead the field further down into their rut of confusion — I dispatched Robert Price with an overkill article about Plaincourault; but then there was Andy Letcher, then Hatsis; and who’s next, after that?
I was glad to see constructive disagreement in Hatsis’ video meeting with Brian Muraresku & Chris Bennett.
Jerry Brown must have been incensed about Hatsis constructing a strawman garbage-can (“followers of Allegro”) and then sloppily throwing him & everyone in the field, into that garbage-can of Hatsis’ own fabrication based on Hatsis’ over-engagement with Irvin & thus Hatsis’ gross, newcomers’/ outsiders’ misreading of the field.
I watched a few minutes of the debate video (Brown vs. Hatsis) before, and I couldn’t bear to watch Hatsis’ presentation — I don’t care what his misguided arguments are; I’m not interested, my research is doing terrific without him, and I don’t want to drag my IQ down — but I might have to force myself to watch it.
I have better things to do than hear yet more confusion.
I want to set up the field to finally be headed in the right direction.
The field needs capable researchers. The field lost some contributors (eg James Arthur, Jan Irvin).
Thomas is horrifically ignorant about Greek mythemes; every word he wrote about a snake-basket illustration in his published book was mistaken. He is simply unqualified by any rudimentary measure, and wholly lacks credibility, on this particular topic.
Yet he is planning to write another book pushing the same Pop-level confusion and conflations, spreading & perpetuating the same Pop confusions in the name of debunking them, while I’m still saying his publisher owes me reimbursement for his recent farcical disaster of a book, regarding the only topic that matters — mushrooms in Greek & Christian religion.
He has high standards for scholarship, which I press him to live up to on this topic, of mushrooms in Greek & Christian art — put the car all the way into reverse, all the way back to 1957, then properly move forward:
ROBERT GRAVES’ 1957 DECODING OF THE KYKEON RECIPE AS MUKES; ‘MUSHROOM’
Letcher-Hatsis is lazy, sloppy, accustomed to merely refuting Pop error on a Pop level, instead of rising above that level; thinking he can get by with cheap shots and doesn’t need to aim high when discussing anything that supposedly has to do with “the Allegro theory“[sic].
Thomas thinks that everyone in the field is identical with Irvin of 2010 (Allegro’s advocate).
How “Letcher-Hatsis” got himself confused:
- By paying too much attention to Carl Ruck’s “secrecy” fixation/ presupposition-framework.
- By paying too much attention to Pop articles about “the Allegro theory”[sic]
- By paying too much attention to former Allegro advocate Irvin.
To advance the field, it is necessary for me to engage with Thomas.
The reason I am engaging with Thomas is his influence:
- His pretty-good video with popular author Brian Muraresku & Chris Bennett.
- His plan to write a book that’s likely to head the field further in the wrong direction & get himself even more confused: “The Sacred Mushroom Conspiracy”.
- Andy Letcher’s equally bad (on this topic), predecessor book Shroom has been well-received.
- Allegro’s book, re-released by Irvin, with Ruck, also has been doing well.
Those books are overrated — Muraresku’s book has limitations too — but also, this popularity of these books shows that:
Everyone is watching & wants this field to be covered — we must get the ship turned in the right direction (like the book The Psychedelic Gospels, which didn’t disappoint).
Thomas is planning on digging the field deeper into the same rut of sloppy Popular thinking that mis-steered the book Shroom by Andy Letcher.
I’m seeing the same bad pattern repeat, over the years, blocking progress, re-entrenching the same mis-thinking.
Hatsis plans a book titled “The Sacred Mushroom Conspiracy”.
Such a planned book is likely to perpetuate misguided thinking.
It is necessary to correct Popular errors, but that has to be done in a twofold way — selectively, not wholesale dismissal and ridicule.
- Negative: Explain how Pop thinking is wrong; e.g. ignore Allegro.
- Positive: Explain the historical facts of the matter, so as to correctly include the sacrament in question. Do not throw out the baby (sound Western mushroom scholarship) with the bathwater (Pop Sike Cult “Allegro’s theory” followers).
Email to John Rush
Resources about John Rush
Books by John Rush:
http://www.clinicalanthropology.com/category/books/
Book:
The Mushroom in Christian Art: The Identity of Jesus in the Development of Christianity
John Rush
http://www.clinicalanthropology.com/mushroom-in-christian-art/
Book:
Entheogens & the Development of Culture: The Anthropology & Neurobiology of Ecstatic Experience
July 2013
http://www.clinicalanthropology.com/entheogens-development-of-culture/
Cyberdisciple’s page about this book:
Book: Rush, J, ed. 2013. Entheogens and the Development of Culture
Cyberdisciple
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/2016/05/29/book-rush-j-ed-2013-entheogens-and-the-development-of-culture/
Hi John,
I’m putting together articles and galleries.
I did this in the past, and I can tell that people aren’t trying very hard at all, to gather images from print and upload them to the web.
Given how easy it is to find “new” examples in print, there should be many more hits in image searches.
It’s only taken me about a day to gather all examples on the web, and contribute a bunch more cropped images, and gather my 2002-2006 examples.
A significant percentage of online examples are the ones I scanned & uploaded.
People have been dissuaded from even trying to look for examples.
They’ve been told the opposite of the truth, eg by McKenna.
“Don’t look, it’s not there, Big Bad Church eliminated.” Nonsense.
Allegro pushed that nonsense too, despite pop culture thinking he asserted the opposite.
Allegro was self-contradictory on this point, of whether mushrooms were present or absent in later Christianity.
Images of Mushrooms in Christian Art
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/13/images-of-mushrooms-in-christian-art/
New gallery of all pics I can find – I’m sick of “spot the mushroom”; my Maximal Entheogen theory has more than enough supporting evidence; but still, there should be way more images. I haven’t gone through all your online images yet. I made some clearer cropped image captures than some in your collection.
Lifted Garment & Mushroom Folds in Christian & Greek Art, Indicating the Ecstatic Holy Spirit Altered State
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/13/lifted-garment-mushroom-folds-in-christian-greek-art-indicating-the-ecstatic-holy-spirit-altered-state/
Canterbury Psalter Mushroom Inventory
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/13/canterbury-psalter-mushroom-inventory/
Mostly overlaps with the above, broader-scoped page.
What Letcher-Hatsis, Ruck, Irvin, and Pop Onlookers Must Change, for Constructive/ Productive Western Mushroom Scholarship
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/14/what-letcher-hatsis-ruck-irvin-and-pop-onlookers-must-change/
Scholars’ Failure to Debate Mushrooms in Christian Art
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/20/scholars-failure-to-debate-mushrooms-in-christian-art/
Proof that the Canterbury Psalter’s Leg-Hanging Mushroom Tree Is Psilocybe
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/19/proof-that-the-canterbury-psalters-leg-hanging-mushroom-tree-is-psilocybe/
Defining “Compelling Evidence” & “Criteria of Proof” for Mushrooms in Christian Art
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/13/compelling-evidence-criteria-of-proof-for-greek-bible-mushrooms/#bbtpwf
Underrepresentation of, & Unthinking Bias Against, Mushrooms in Mediterranean Antiquity and European History
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/13/underrepresentation-of-unthinking-bias-against-mushrooms-in-mediterranean-antiquity-and-european-history/
Looks like Cyberdisciple might be doing related work, today:
Against the assumption of suppression of psychedelics in pre-modernity; outlining research questions
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/2020/12/15/against-the-assumption-of-suppression-of-psychedelics-in-pre-modernity-outlining-research-questions/
Brinckmann, Mushroom Trees, & Asymmetrical Branching
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/11/brinckmann-mushroom-trees-asymmetrical-branching/
Panofsky recommended this 1906 book to Wasson — it proves that all mushrooms in religious art are Italian Pines.
(Strange, the other expert, Hatsis, proved that they are all Parasols of Victory — which expert is right??)
Wasson censored this book citation from his book SOMA; replaced it by ellipses. A maximum, worst-case conflict of interest makes Wasson have zero credibility re: mushrooms in Christianity.
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Influence of early anthropological theorizing on ‘entheogen’ scholarship: John Allegro, The Sacred Mushroom
Cyberdisciple, December 14, 2020
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/2020/12/14/influence-of-early-anthropological-theorizing-on-entheogen-scholarship-john-allegro-the-sacred-mushroom/
With Cyberdisciple’s new critique yesterday, actual mushroom scholars need to disavow Allegro and break the false association of “Allegro = mushrooms in Christianity”.
Allegro is not an entheogen scholar; his book is not an entheogen scholarship book; and he doesn’t know anything about entheogens.
People could hardly pick a worse writer to represent the theory of “Mushrooms in Christianity”.
Book: Rush, J, ed. 2013. Entheogens and the Development of Culture
Cyberdisciple
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/2016/05/29/book-rush-j-ed-2013-entheogens-and-the-development-of-culture/
Cyberdisciple is about to critique Ruck’s body of work, including at this existing page, which Cyberdisciple expanded today.
— Michael Hoffman, the theorist of ego death
Figuring Sht Out Reveals I’m Stupid
DUH DUH what I had mis-called a ‘tiger’ is a leopard (that was stupid, but that’s not my point here) so I corrected that yesterday.
But now with my recovered 2010 photos of Amanita, it ONLY NOW struck me that the artist has the SPOTTED (not striped) leopard (not tiger) drinking from the (what we know is, like in my photo) SPOTTED Amanita cap.
Thus as additional evidence for my positive identification of the image as Amanita, we have the Leopard’s SPOTS representing the veil remnants of the Amanita-as-fountain.
The fountain/cap in the mosaic doesn’t show spots, but the leopard drinking from it has the spots – for the Amanita identification, IN CONTRAST TO the striped tigers in the image.
DUH
I added a bullet-point to my list of arguments supporting the Amanita identification. 5 supporting points now.
Direct image link:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Triumph_of_Bacchus_-_Sousse.jpg — “Triumph of Dionysus on a fragmentary Roman mosaic (3rd century, Sousse Archaeological Museum)“

Found My Best Amanita Photos, Leopard-Watering Fountain Fully Confirmed as Amanita in Greco-Roman Art
Found my Best Amanita Photos – and they confirm my identification of the leopard-watering bowl’s rim in the Dionysus Triumph fresco! Excerpt from updated “Criteria” article:
Article:
Defining “Compelling Evidence” & “Criteria of Proof” for Mushrooms in Christian Art
Subsection:
Identifying the Leopard-watering Bowl as Amanita
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/13/compelling-evidence-criteria-of-proof-for-greek-bible-mushrooms/#Identifying-the-Leopard-watering-Bowl-as-Amanita — updated section copied below:
Identifying the Leopard-watering Bowl as Amanita



On November 14, 2020, I positively identified the leopard’s bowl in the Dionysus triumph fresco as Amanita mushroom — not as a fleeting possible hypothesis to consider, like in 2006 with a sense of high uncertainty and skepticism (that was a preliminary, hypothesis-formation phase of the discovery process) — but this time as a conclusion that I commit to and stand behind.
I defensibly concluded that this image represents an Amanita, based on:
- My own first-hand, close-up inspection and photographing of numerous Amanita specimens. My specimen-photo confirms that a rim can be formed, matching the leopard-fountain image, when the Amanita is upturned but not extremely upturned.
- The wide stem; the proportions of stem and bowl.
- The distinctive gills exposed on the outside.
- The established mushrooms and mythology context of the mosaic.
- In contrast to the striped tigers, this is a spotted feline, a leopard. The veil-remnant spots are not shown on top of the fountain, but the associated leopard has spots, like an Amanita cap, making the leopard a better choice of feline, to visually match the Amanita fountain, than a tiger would be.
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Reading-Copy/Annotation-Copy of Article About Allegro’s Undue Influence
Influence of early anthropological theorizing on ‘entheogen’ scholarship: John Allegro, The Sacred Mushroom
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/2020/12/14/influence-of-early-anthropological-theorizing-on-entheogen-scholarship-john-allegro-the-sacred-mushroom/ — see link for clarified revised wording in response to below comments/questions
In order to characterize entheogen scholarship since the 1950s, we should recognize the role in that scholarship of theories about religion, myth, and culture developed by European anthropologists from the 19th and early 20th centuries.
Such theories have shaped many scholars’ investigations of psychedelic drugs in religious history. The background assumptions of many scholars has been founded in such theorizing about pre-modern religion and myth. I have written before about how Robert Graves’ and Wasson’s reliance on the concept of “taboo” led them to underestimate the extent of evidence for psychedelics in religious history.
[In Ruck, the ‘taboo’ assumption/explanatory paradigm manifests as his bizarre overuse of the concept ‘secret’ (conceptualized incorrectly).
In Hatsis, the ‘taboo’ theory comes through in his planned book title, “… forthcoming books … “The Sacred Mushroom Conspiracy” (spring, 2022).” -mh]
The concept of “taboo” led them to speculate that mushrooms were used in religious origins, but were then suppressed and made taboo. They were subsequently half-remembered in mythology. See my posts on Robert Graves: https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/?s=robert+graves todo (recheck)
This post discusses anthropological theorizing as a major component of Allegro’s book
This post discusses a strain of anthropological theorizing as a major component of the intellectual background to John Allegro’s The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
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It would be misleading to think of Allegro as a “mycologist” or a scholar of “entheogens” (i.e. drugs in religious history).
It has become clearer over the past 20 years that Allegro’s contributions to scholarship on psychedelics in religious history are rather minor.
Although he has priority in the act of combining the topics of drugs in Christian history and the ahistoricity of Jesus and the Apostles (as well as drugs in Jewish history and the ahistoricity of Old Testament accounts), his book is not really of much use now to scholars.
Allegro was a pioneer for the field of ‘entheogens,’ such as it is, but a very imperfect one.
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Similarly, it does not help much to describe his work in The Sacred Mushroom as that of a linguist.
His argumentation may be primarily linguistic, but that argumentation relies on anthropological theorizing of the 19th and early 20th century.
See my Evaluating Theories of Mythology page for summaries of anthropological theorizing about mythology. Relevant extracts for this post:
[Instead of just “natural world”, I’d specify absolutely clearly, a key real distinction: practically all of the bad theories of Mythology commit
the Great OSC Category-Error;
the Great Wrong-State Category Error:
the bad theories of Myth assume that the referent of myth is things in the ordinary state of consciousness.
In fact, Myth is explanation or description for things that are observed and experienced in the altered state (such as Psilocybe) — regardless of whether you choose to categorize that as “the natural world”. –mh]
Myth as science: Myth is an explanation for the natural world. Read myth literally. Myth is premodern/’primitive’ form of modern scientific explanation. Variants within this framework. Creationism; Rationalizing; Tylor; Horton. Literal, ordinary-state, alien social psychology.
E. B. Tylor (1832-1917): myth is ‘primitive’ version of scientific theory. Myth explains natural world, but poorly. Decisions and actions of gods cause physical events. myth and science incompatible. ‘primitives’ had ‘myth’, moderns have ‘science’. We moderns should reject myth. Myth must be understood literally because myth explains the workings of the physical world. ‘Primitives’ think like moderns, but less rigorously. ‘Primitives’ see same world as moderns, but conceive of it differently.
R. Horton (1932-2019): Modifies E. B. Tylor’s theory. Myth and pre-modern religion are coherent conceptual systems with internal logic and rules, just as science is for moderns. Take pre-modern myth at face value, not symbolically. Rejects Tylor’s use of word ‘primitive’. Modern western thinking should not monopolize interpretation of other non-modern, non-western thinking.
Myth-ritual theory: Myth intertwined with communal religious ritual. Myth explains ritual, ritual enacts myth and seeks to affect world. Variety within this framework. Frazer; Smith; Harrison; Hooke; Girard; Burkert; Frye; Raglan. Literal, ordinary-state, alien social psychology.
J. G. Frazer (1854-1941): Myth-ritualist theory. Early: myth is pre-modern version of modern applied science/technology. myth tied to ritual, ritual enacts myth. combination of ritual and myth affect physical world. Focused on ensuring yearly vegetable growth, main myth worldwide is of dying and rising vegetation god. Later addition: Focus on king in worldwide myth. God resides in king, king is ritually killed before becomes too infirm, soul of god passes to next king, ensures continued success of community (including vegetable growth). Ignores story-telling elements.
Allegro’s The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross is founded on his construction of the “fertility philosophy” as the origin and essence of Near Eastern and Greek religion
Allegro’s The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross is founded on his construction of the “fertility philosophy” as the origin and essence of Near Eastern and Greek religion.
The book fits in with anthropological theorizing about the origins of cultural practices and with the mindset of “primitives,” imagined in general as a mindset now foreign, alien, and lost to modern, rational, industrialized people, and needing to be reconstructed via the scholarly heroics of the investigator.
Allegro interprets religion and myth as resulting from early peoples’ attempt to control the cycles of generation in plants and animals, including people.
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This is not so different from James Frazer’s widely-read The Golden Bough (first published 1890; expanded in 1900; expanded again 1906-1915).
Frazer interprets the many examples of a dying-and-rising godman in world religion and myth as representing the planting and harvest cycle.
For Frazer, religious ritual was meant to ensure the next year’s harvest.
He interpreted Christ as a variant on this central myth.
Frazer’s book was read widely by scholars, intellectuals, and the general reading public alike, and was influential on thinking about ancient religion.
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When I finally read Allegro’s book recently, I was surprised to see how much space was devoted to this “fertility philosophy.”
If someone asked me what Allegro’s book is about, I would say the book is primarily about his variant of the theory of an ancient “fertility philosophy” as the origin and essence of Near Eastern and Greek religion; I would not say that it is primarily about mushrooms in Christianity.
Allegro’s contribution of combining psychedelics in Christianity and ahistoricity of religious founders seems almost accidental.
Allegro’s theory is grounded in etymology, to interpret mushrooms as “fertility philosophy”
Allegro’s particular twists on the “fertility philosophy” theory were:
- to ground it [fertility theory] in etymologies and
- to interpret the mushroom as the primary symbol of “fertility philosophy.”
- The first [the first what? ie ‘etymologies’…??] is a linguistic argument, [that what? what is the first argument asserting? that etymologies evidence fertility philosophy]
- the second [ie asserting that the mushroom was the primary symbol for fertility] more of an argument by analogy and symbol.
[i wish the above abbreviated condensed sentence were broken into two explicit statements. I *hate* the word ‘it’, and indirection/pointers. I like every sentence to stand on its own, specifying the subjects/objects explicitly. the below will clarify. -mh]
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His linguistic argument is:
- That words in Aramaic, Greek, Latin, Hebrew, etc. are all traceable to Sumerian.
- That these roots in Sumerian reveal the true meanings of the later words.
- That authors were aware of these true meanings and wrote in a special code that alluded to them.
Allegro claims that:
key words in religious contexts can be traced back to Sumerian words that have to do with fertility.
This material is so technical and (by Allegro’s own admission) hypothetical that evaluating it is impossible for the common reader.
In passing, we can point out that
it is only Allegro’s conjecture (as he admits) that the languages noted above are descended from Sumerian.
Scholars of Sumerian language, from what I can tell, regularly treat it as a linguistic isolate, meaning it did not descend to later languages in the way that, for example, Latin descended into Italian, French, Spanish, etc.
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His argument by analogy and symbol is that the life cycle of the mushroom, its various stages, and its appearance are all representative of the longer seasonal cycle of plants and the procreation of animals.
His method here too is primarily linguistic, with little reference to depictions of mushrooms in art.
This material relies on accepting the details of the “fertility philosophy” construction. [explanatory framework -mh]
It
[agghh I HATE THE WORD ‘IT’, even more than I hate the word ‘secret’. WTF IS “IT”??? My rule I follow is, state the “it” thing directly/explicitly every time, w/ rare exception. -mh]
It [Allegro’s material about mushrooms??]
is not evidence to prove
the “fertility philosophy,” but rather
the “fertility philosophy”
is evidence that proves the hypothesis that
the mushroom was symbolic of the “fertility philosophy.”
The Amanita mushroom’s psychedelic effects play a minor part in Allegro’s interpretation.
He is not too interested in the phenomenology of the state induced by mushrooms.
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Allegro does not have anything to say about
possibility-branching [aka tech-term ‘Possibilism’] or
pre-existence [aka tech-term ‘Eternalism’ -mh].
It may be true to say that
“Allegro talks about psychedelics and about metaphor”,
but it [such a general assertion] wouldn’t
be very helpful or
tell us much about his book.
“Psychedelics and metaphor with reference to what?” one could justly ask.
Answer: with reference to his “fertility philosophy” construct.
[
- Allegro’s proposed decoding to identify the ultimate referent of religious mythology:
Religious mythology refers to fertility increase.
- Hoffman’s proposed decoding to identify the ultimate referent of religious mythology:
- Religious mythology refers to repeatedly taking psychedelics, producing transformation of the experiential mental worldmodel from
literalistordinary-state possibility-branching toanalogicalpsychedelic pre-existence.
I’m not happy with either phrase, inadequate for standalone use:
literalist ordinary-state possibility-branching
analogical psychedelic pre-existence
I wish to contrast two models of “controller-in-world”. The mind switches from one “controller-in-world” model to another;
from possibilism to eternalism; (two “controller-in-world” models)
from {king steering in tree}
to {snake frozen in rock}.
From:
the “freewill power in branching-possibilities”-premised, egoic personal control system
to: no-free-will/monopossibility;
to:
empty, projected, no-free-will, personal control agency, steering along a pre-existing worldline rail {snake} frozen into the block-universe {rock}
- Religious mythology refers to repeatedly taking psychedelics, producing transformation of the experiential mental worldmodel from
- Hoffman’s proposed decoding to identify the ultimate referent of religious mythology:
- Religious mythology refers to repeatedly taking psychedelics, producing transformation of the experiential mental worldmodel from
- the “freewill-power in branching-possibilities“-premised, egoic personal control system — {king steering} in {tree}
to - empty, projected, no-free-will, personal control agency, made to steer along a pre-existing worldline rail {snake} frozen into the block-universe {rock}
-mh]
To make better sense of his work, we have to do the additional work of
taking Allegro’s “fertility philosophy” and
mapping it on to transcendent knowledge.
Allegro ‘decodes’ religion into… another code.
[
the actual correct non-code, non-analogy referent, is: myth describes —
psychedelics transforming the mental worldmodel of agent-in-world
from
the “freewill power in branching-possibilities”-premised, egoic personal control system
to
empty, projected, no-free-will, personal control agency, steering along a pre-existing worldline rail {snake} frozen into the block-universe {rock}
-mh]
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Allegro writes as a modern rationalist.
This is typical of the perspective of the 19th century anthropological theorist.
Allegro’s interest in
explaining Judaism and Christianity as exemplars of the “fertility philosophy”
is to discredit them:
once we see that they derive from the “fertility philosophy” we should
abandon the religions and their moral teachings as irrational.
[the virgin-maiden Ariadne, daughter of maze-architect Daedalus, was abandoned by Theseus, then Dionysus abducted/married her -mh]
FACT-CHECK:
Theseus abandon Ariadne Dionysus married
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Theseus+abandon+Ariadne+Dionysus+married
The Soap Authorities, Wiki:
“Dionysus claimed Ariadne as wife, causing Theseus to abandon her.
Homer does not elaborate on the nature of Dionysus’ accusation.
Oxford Classical Dictionary explained:
Ariadne was already married to Dionysus when she eloped with Theseus.”
the mystic womanly soul, always prostituting herself to the false ruler, not her true, given Partner, the mind’s actual, veiled male component. -mh]
The drug aspect of the book seems present to discredit the religions, to associate them [religions] with a topic [psychedelics] controversial at that time (late 60s, early 70s).
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Allegro’s decoding leads him to reject the historicity of the Old and New Testaments.
The authors wrote in punning code to allude to the fertility philosophy and its main symbol, the mushroom. His emphasis on secret punning leads him to read the history of
conflict within Judaism and Christianity and
between the Romans and Christians as
the conflict between mushroom users and mushroom suppressors.
He does not have any direct evidence of such suppression.
On this topic he projects modern Prohibitionism onto antiquity.
It is not clear why there would be suppression of a fertility mushroom cult in later antiquity during the Roman Empire, if Allegro’s other argument is true, that the fertility-mushroom cult is the origin of Near Eastern and Greek religion.
Were not
Roman and Italic religious practices
of near equal antiquity as
Greek religious practices
and derived from similar sources?
Allegro’s investigation & framing of religion & mushrooms is shaped by his “fertility philosophy” idea from anthropological theorizing
Allegro’s investigation and framing of the topic of religion and mushrooms is shaped by his basis in the “fertility philosophy” idea drawn from anthropological theorizing.
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Allegro’s future reputaton will be as an imperfect pioneer.
[Allegro was right about ahistoricity of religious founder figures.
Allegro was right about mushrooms being source of Christianity.
Allegro was merely accidentally correct on these points. He got the right answer, for the wrong reasons, and those “right answers” were couched/framed wrong.
Allegro had a wrong mental framing of these points. -mh]
It is possible to imagine
a different book published in 1970
opening up the topic of psychedelics in Christianity
and combining that with
ahistoricity of religious founders, but
entirely lacking in any reference to a “fertility philosophy” and
without attempting to
tie Greek, Christian, and Jewish religion to Sumerian religion via tenuous linguistic arguments, and without
projecting modern Prohibition onto ancient society.
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Ah, well. We [scholars] deal with [always have to sort the wheat/grain/fruit from the chaff/husk/straw, like Persephone’s threshing & winnowing sieve -mh] what we have.
More important than
studying Allegro in much detail
is to
understand and characterize
the components of his theory and
the role his book has played
in discourse about
psychedelics in Christianity.
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There’s no need to spend much time refuting or defending Allegro.
Even to say, broadly, that
“Allegro was right about psychedelics in Christianity and the ahistoricity of religious founders”
requires us to have gone far beyond Allegro’s model.
[Allegro’s conception of both “psychedelics in Christianity” and “the ahistoricity of religious founder figures” was so totally malformed, that Allegro harmed MORE THAN helped the field.
Now, we’re having to un-do and un-ravel everything people think they know about “Allegro’s mushroom theory of Christianity”;
we have to fully waste time and put the car in reverse like my time-wasting 2006 exhaustive and exhausting article, travel back to 1970, and move again forward, onto the right, correct onramp,
BACK TO SQUARE 1, NEUTRALLY, WITHOUT the shared Allegro-and-Ruck, DAMNED “SECRET TABOO CONSPIRACY” PRESUMPTIONS,
AND without muddle-headed “MUSHROOMS = AMANITA” vague conflations and PRESUMPTIONS, to neutrally and without presuppositions, ask the simple question:
- To what extent mushrooms in Greek & Christian religion & culture?
- To what extent mushrooms in Christianity?
- To what extent was the Eucharist recognized as mushrooms?
- To what extent mushrooms in Christianity?
-mh]
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Allegro was right, broadly speaking, about psychedelics in Christianity, but what would the phrase ‘psychedelics in Christianity’ mean for Allegro?
It would mean Amanita, Amanita as symbolic of plant growth and animal reproduction, and secretive linguistic punning on the mushroom and on fertility.
It would not mean a variety of psychedelics used in an initiatory sequence to cause the transformation of mental worldmodel from possibility-branching to pre-existence of the future,
in service of a counter-imperial society.
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Allegro was right, broadly speaking, about the ahistoricity of religious founders, but what would the phrase ‘ahistoricity of religious founders’ mean for Allegro?
It would mean secretive linguistic punning to refer to Amanita and fertility, in order
to hide
a mushroom fertility cult from the Roman authority.
It would not mean an
analogical understanding of figures in mythology
as representing
aspects of the psyche during altered state initiation,
etc.
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The above characterizations are not possible if we are stuck in
the simplistic framing of “defending or refuting Allegro.”
They [the above analysis & summary-characterizations of Allegro’s positions/ proposals] require
standing outside of Allegro’s work
, with
independent understanding of the many topics
Allegro touched on.
Saying positively that
Allegro was right about psychedelics in Christianity and ahistoricity
requires pointing out
how constrained and narrow his positions were.
He deserves credit for
combining psychedelics and ahistoricity,
a key idea combination
though
the way he deployed it was largely limited.
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“Refuting Allegro” has become its own cottage industry, one that needs to be put to rest.
[ The other half of that coin is, the many, shallow, outsider, gee-whiz Pop sites, looking for Content, that have the “good idea” of again re-re-re-presenting
“the Allegro idea, that Christianity was started with mushrooms“.
What a terrible situation!, that Pop Sike Cult today thinks:
“The Allegro idea = Christianity had mushrooms.”
“That Christianity-had-mushrooms, is Allegro’s idea and discovery and thesis.”
Since when does Allegro own the realization that Christianity is based on mushrooms? He doesn’t even understand the idea!
Even Clark Heinrich’s book Strange Fruit in 1995 horrifically botched & misrepresented Allegro’s thesis, stating that “allegro held that Jesus used mushrooms.”
No, Allegro held that Jesus was mushrooms, not that Jesus used mushrooms!
REST IN PEACE John Allegro;
Don’t let some evil necromancer force your ghost to forever guard and prevent scholars from entering the topic of:
- To what extent mushrooms in Greek & Christian religion & culture?
- To what extent mushrooms in Christianity?
- To what extent was the Eucharist recognized as mushrooms?
- To what extent mushrooms in Christianity?
-mh]
Why the obsession with ‘refuting Allegro’?
What does an author gain by portraying himself as a ‘debunker’ of Allegro?
What’s the point?
The field would be better served by ignoring the details of Allegro’s work.
It’s not necessary to take Allegro as the starting point [and guiding star, and definer of the debate positions, and definer of the outermost boundaries of our thought -mh] for discussing psychedelics in Christianity
{or for the ahistoricity of religious founders}.
Allegro is interesting for the discourse provoked
Allegro is more interesting for the discourse that he provoked.
The dynamics of argumentation can be observed in that discourse:
Wasson and Allegro on the Tree of Knowledge as Amanita
Michael Hoffman, 2006
http://egodeath.com/WassonEdenTree.htm
Journal of Higher Criticism
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Allegro’s reference to mushrooms in art on the medieval French fresco at Plaincourault is a curious accident.
He mentions the fresco at Plaincourault in passing, even though it calls into question his idea that everyone forgot about Amanita after the first generation of Christians (https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/10/17/plaincourault-partly-contradicts-allegros-thesis/).
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I wouldn’t bother studying Allegro in much detail.
It’s enough to know about Allegro and to conceive properly of his achievements and limitations.
At least The Sacred Mushroom has convenient summaries of each chapter at the chapter’s end.
[The Tragedy of Irvin the former Gnostic-Entheogen Scholar
I wonder what Irvin — the now-lost, former Irvin of 2009, now dwelling in the land of shades with Kore the illusory maiden-ego-agent — says in his Preface, pp v-viii.
It’s a tragedy, Irvin invested so much in Gnostic Entheogen scholarship & Amanita and Allegro & McKenna and interviewing ALL of the hyped promoted Names in the Pop Sike Scholarship Industry.
Then his Grand Finale article series The Secret History of Magic Mushrooms, followed by video interviews with careless slob never-ready-for-prime-time Joseph Atwill; now he’s become some Irvin-type-of- Christian, Logos advocate and goes around yelling insults and accusations at anyone who is favorable about the entheogen theory of religion, and now damns entheogens with the faintest of praise, last I heard.
The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross: A study of the nature and origins of Christianity within the fertility cults of the ancient Near East
4.6 stars out of 5 — 424 ratings <– This is a problem. This book is way overrated and over-influential — or rather, pseudo-influential, by means of misrepresenting this book and letting the ghost of this way-off-base book PREVENT and KEEP CLOSED rather than ASSIST the field of Western mushroom scholarship.
Anniversary Edition, 2009 Gnostic Media/Irvin
http://amzn.com/0982556276
by John M. Allegro (Author),
Judith Anne Brown (Foreword), Allegro’s daughter
Jan Irvin (Introduction),
Carl “Mr. Secret” Ruck (Addendum)
-mh]
Summarizing entheogen scholars’ relation to anthropological theorizing
Summarizing major entheogen scholars and their relation to anthropological theorizing:
Graves, Wasson: Taboo:
mushrooms were present at religious origins,
but later suppressed and rendered taboo. [McKenna’s books (McFakea), same! -mh]
This taboo is reflected in mythology. [?? not sure what’s being asserted here -mh]
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Allegro:
Fertility Philosophy:
mushrooms are symbols of the life cycle of plants and reproductive cycle of animals.
Religious rituals were focused on renewing these [mundane-state, OSC-focused] cycles, ensuring future life [in a purely mundane sense].
Mushrooms were referred to via secretive coding in language,
knowledge of which was later lost. [and yet – inconsistently – was not lost, as Allegro evidenced by citing the Plaincourault Amanita-tree. -mh]
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Carl Ruck has been the prime inheritor of these approaches. I realized in 2016 that he writes about mythology in the way a Structuralist does: https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/2016/05/29/book-rush-j-ed-2013-entheogens-and-the-development-of-culture/
[I asked Cyberdisciple if that is a typo conflating Carl Ruck w/ John Rush.]
Mushroom in Christian Art, Chapter 3
John Rush
http://www.clinicalanthropology.com/mushroom-in-christian-art/mushroom-in-christian-art-chapter-three/
-mh]
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In a subsequent post, I will discuss Ruck’s 2009 Afterword to Allegro’s book, titled “Fungus Redivivus” (whose meaning, “Fungus Reborn,” seems to pun on Allegro’s focus on the mushroom as symbol of the life cycle of plants).
[Irvin[2009]’s Introduction. Irvin[2017] feels “had” by the whole field; that we’ve all been taken for a ride; he accuses most everyone (the Big Names) of deceitful intentions. -mh]
Expect more posts on Ruck’s scholarship.
With Brian Muraresku setting out to vindicate Ruck, it is time to characterize his [Ruck’s body of] work.
[need to identify contributions & limitations/shortcomings of Ruck’s work.
Around 1998-2003, I read all of the entheogen scholarship, including Ruck. Ruck’s work was one building-block that I repaired and incorporated into my 1998-2006 work on the Mytheme theory, that:
Religious mythology is description-by-analogy of repeatedly taking psychedelics, producing transformation of the experiential mental worldmodel from “literalist ordinary-state possibility-branching” to “analogical psychedelic pre-existence”; from literalist ordinary-state possibilism to analogical psychedelic eternalism, as a sequence of two conflicting mental worldmodels of time, self, possibility, and control.
-mh]
Related email outtakes
I’m not sure if I have all of Irvin’s books – I got them very late, if at all, so I haven’t seen his published coverage that Hatsis rebutted.
I’m very glad Cyberdisciple today wrote this much-needed critical assessment of Allegro‘s book in relation to the field of Western mushroom scholarship.
Influence of early anthropological theorizing on ‘entheogen’ scholarship:
John Allegro, The Sacred Mushroom
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/2020/12/14/influence-of-early-anthropological-theorizing-on-entheogen-scholarship-john-allegro-the-sacred-mushroom/
Allegro’s book has little relevance to the field of Western mushroom scholarship.
Everyone in the popular audience seems to equate Allegro with the idea of mushrooms in Christianity — his book is far from deserving that equation, and that equation is harming and blocking the field. I wish everyone would just forget Allegro — he is irrelevant.
Allegro is not an entheogen scholar; his book is not a book of entheogen scholarship; and he doesn’t know anything about entheogens.
People could hardly pick a worse figure than Allegro, to represent the “mushrooms in Christianity” theory.
Allegro even contradicts himself, saying that the secret coded meaning was forgotten — and then showing a much later mushroom tree depiction in support of primitive Christians’ coded message.
Any alleged “contribution” of Allegro to the field of Western mushroom scholarship, is accidental and misunderstood by Allegro himself.
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I’m glad that Cyberdisciple plans to critically assess Ruck‘s body of work and do a critical scholarly write-up.
I’m not sure Hatsis’ views on John Rush & especially on Carl Ruck.
I’m quoted in Ruck, asserting that “mixed-wine” throughout Late Antiquity should simply be considered mushroom-wine (I most certainly don’t mean the red-and-white kind).
That argument is 90% based on effects described in mythology & Mystery Religions; my argument is only 10% based on images.
Ruck wrote a couple chapters in one of Rush’s books, which I haven’t seen.
Cyberdisciple wrote in-depth critiques of Muraresku‘s book.
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/?s=Muraresku
What Letcher-Hatsis, Ruck, Irvin, and Pop Onlookers Must Change, for Constructive/ Productive Mushroom Scholarship
What the individuals must to do rectify the situation for the field:
- Ruck must stop employing his malformed concept “secret”. Stop using the word ‘secret’, FFS! PLEASE STOP, for the love of God, and to save the field of mushroom scholarship!
- Irvin must stop uncritically affirming Allegro monolithically. Do like I do: list the pros and cons of any writer; what aspects they get right, and what they get wrong.
- Outside the field, everyone must stop treating “Allegro” as synonymous with mushroom scholarship, or the theory that Christianity involves mushrooms.
- Letcher-Hatsis must stop thinking that the Pop-spreading of “Allegro says”; and Irvin’s uncritical wholesale affirmation of Allegro; and Ruck’s obsession/fixation on “secret”, define the productive potential field of mushroom scholarship.
- Letcher-Hatsis must stop conflating a particular hypothesis with the entire field; stop covertly flipping back and forth between the extremely narrow, particularly premise/hypothesis of “spreading via secret Amanita cult” vs. the completely broad, general question, “the extent of use of various psychoactive mushrooms in Western culture”.
- Letcher-Hatsis must dis-entangle their discussion of what are actually distinct questions; some 5-7 distinct debate-issues.
- Letcher-Hatsis must stop writing unthinking phrases like “I find the idea totally ridiculous” – that’s the problem with Letcher-Hatsis’ approach to writing about the field’s questions, right there: *WHAT* idea; *WHICH* IDEA? You HAVE to be specific and articulate! Or else you are failing as a scholar, and even failing as a thinker.
It is *not* “the”, single, one, idea, which Letcher-Hatsis flips between identifying as “spread of secret Amanita cult”, and “use of mushrooms in Western culture”.
Like good scholars in the field of mushroom scholarship, I reject the hypothesis “spread of secret Amanita cult”, and I assert “significant use of mushrooms in Western culture.”
According to Letcher-Hatsis, no such compound position is possible, because they are one and the same question; in their Pop-shaped, overly Pop-guided thinking, “spread secret Amanita cult” is the same identical position as “mushrooms in Western culture”.
That’s why Letcher-Hatsis consistently — and PROVABLY — demonstrates ZERO SELF-AWARENESS about his continual flipping back-and-forth, silently conflating the (incorrect) “spread secret Amanita cult” position with the (correct) “mushrooms in Western culture” position.
In his sloppy, undifferentiated, Pop-guided, Pop-level thinking, — Letcher-Hatsis argues this way consistently — he assumes and takes it as granted, that if you reject the “spread secret Amanita cult” hypothesis, that’s the same thing as rejecting “mushrooms in Western culture”.
They think and reason that, because the idea of “spread secret Amanita cult” is totally ridiculous, that’s the same thing as the idea of “mushrooms in Western culture” being totally ridiculous.
According to the malformed assumption that’s latched onto (and promoted) by Letcher-Hatsis, if you assert mushrooms in Western culture, that necessarily means that you assert “spread of secret Amanita cult” — in his inchoate thinking, these two positions are the same identical position — that’s why Letcher-Hatsis never discusses or acknowledges the distinction between the two question-scopes (“spread secret Amanita cult”, vs. “mushrooms in Western Culture”).
Thus (as proof and evidence supporting my seemingly unbelievable assertions about his total lack of self-awareness of conflating the two extreme opposite-scoped questions) you have Hatsis within his video disproving Amanita, and then titling the video “I disproved mushrooms.”
The clear implication in this video is that he is unaware of Liberty Cap mushrooms, and he is only aware of Amanita!
Who the f*ck ever asserted, that the question of “Amanita” is the same question as “Mushrooms” — other than bad, sloppy, Pop thinkers? — including Letcher-Hatsis.
Letcher-Hatisis is letting sloppy Pop thinking guide his would-be scholarly analysis.
Those are two opposite extreme scopes of “the” idea, but Letcher-Hatsis conflates the two totally differently scoped questions into this single monstrous construct of his own creation, “the” idea.
This way, Letcher-Hatisis can strawman misrepresent the entire field of “Western mushroom scholarship”, and struttingly self-promote as if he has proved something significant and contributed something significant, when in fact, the only thing Letcher-Hatsis has contributed to the field of Western mushroom scholarship, is his own confused conflation of the narrow, incorrect hypothesis “spread secret Amanita cult”, and the broad, correct hypothesis, “significant mushrooms in Western culture”.
Identifying Exactly Why Letcher-Hatsis Has a Pop-level Mis-conception of the Field of Mushroom Scholarship, as Allegro-centric and “Secret”-Obsessed
Letcher-Hatsis’ inability to specify what he means by “the idea is totally ridiculous”, shows that he’s attuned only to the very worst he can find, in pop spreading of “Allegro says” (outside the field of mushroom scholarship), and Irvin 2010’s uncritical following of Allegro within the field of mushroom scholarship, and Ruck’s extreme overuse of the mis-conceived idea of “secret” (within the field of mushroom scholarship).
By only focusing on these 3 things:
- Pop “Allegro says” articles by non-scholars, very much ignorant outsiders to the field of mushroom scholarship.
- Irvin 2010’s uncritical wholesale affirmation of Allegro’s work.
- Rucks’ mis-use and extreme overuse of the concept “secret”.
Letcher-Hatsis has become lazy and unable to sort out the valid from the invalid.
Letcher Hatsis is LAZY. He doens’t wnt to do the intellectual hard work otha that scholars always have to do, of sorting out the wheat from chaff. He latches onto the most silly and ridiculous aspects or layer of Pop Entertainment Outsiders’ Gee Whiz articles, that just parrot the other Gee Whiz outsideres articles, repeatinng “Did you hear the Allegro theory?” Because the pop world can limit itself to “Allegro says”, these lazy sub-scholars, Letcher Hatsis, (NAD AND ROBERT PRICE!! EDITOR OF JOURNAL OF HITGH HIGHER CRITICISM) wrongly THINK THEY CAN use similarly sloppy, careless writing, to debunk the pop, sloppy, careless writing of the countless Web articles that spread and repeat … they are thowing the baby out with the bathwater. Just because the most rubbgish recounting of “the mushroom theory — which Allegro created” — is dominant, these failed scholars mistakenly think that they can paint THE ENTIRE FIELD OF MUSHROM ESOTERICISM SCHOLARSHIP with the SAME POP ALLEGRO-SAYS” BRUSH. That’s where — unfortunately — L.H. is coming from. LH, STOP SAILING BY THE STARS OF POP “ALLEGRO SAYS” SCHOLARSHIP. THAT’S NOT HOW THE REAL SCHOLARS IN THEIR FIELD STEER THEIR THINKING AND RESEARCH. (Though Ruck is infested by the “secret” concept, he really needs to drop it! And Irvin pretty much really was the #1 fan/follower of Allegro, 10 years ago.) Yes, there are real problems IWHT WITHIN the field, na and popularly AROUND/OUTSIDE their field:
Garbage-thinking around/outside of the field: pop articles parrotting “Allegro Says”.
Garbage-thinking inside the field:
Ruck’s awful “secret” this, “secret” that. STOP IT! Stop your PR propaganda hype of “secret! secret! buy my book about “secret” mushrooms!
Irvin 2010’s uncritical wholesale affirmation of Allegro.
(to the extent that he’s even genuinelinly inside the field of mushroom scholarship, which is highly debatable: )
Letcher Hatsis’ reaction to both the gee-whiz parrotting-outsiders, and to the bad “steer by the star of Allegro” fallacy within the field, and Ruck’s “let’s see how confused I can make myself” obsession/fixation on “secret”, which he doesn’t even understand.
THAT is where Hatsis comes from when he says writes to me, VERY REVEALINGLY, his 100% vague, inchoate: “I find the idea totally ridiculous.”
He finds some idea “totally ridiculous” — YET HE NEVER SPECIFIES WHAT HE HAS IN MIND BY “THE IDEA”.
He gives 0 specification of what “the idea” is, while… He finds “the idea”() “TOTALLY RIDICULOUS”.
Those two go hand-in-hand:
- Letcher-Hatsis’ complete lack of clear specifying of the idea; his notorious slip-and-slide shifting of what “the idea” is; and:
- His finding of “the idea”(??) to be “totally ridiculous”; which is to say:
His RIDICULING OF “THE IDEA”.
Letcher-Hatsis’ driving motivation for his non-scholarly non-research on the non-specified topic:
He is out to ridicule some “received idea” that he in no way consistently specifies/identifies.
The ENTIRE PROBLEM with his thinking, is, his use of the term “the idea”, WITHOUT IT OCCURRING TO HIM TO SPECIFY WHAT HE HOLDS IN MIND BY “THE IDEA”.
A New, Clarifying Approach:
Arrange the Tauroctony Elements into a Hierarchy of Control-Power:
What Is the Revealed Chain of Control?
In Idea-Development notes, I copied this entire section from page:
Mithraism – Think with the Female+Male Mind of Mithras
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/12/mithraism-think-with-the-femalemale-mind-of-mithras
- God the ultimate creator/controller of the block-universe world
- the block-universe world; the worldline of control-thoughts frozen into the block universe
- the control-thought inserter/injector
- the control-thought receiver/receptacle
WHAT IS THE PERCEIVED/REVEALED CHAIN OF CONTROL?
The perceived/revealed levels of control; chain of control
(debatable/unclear – FIGURE IT OUT! — DONE.)
In terms of Core theory / the Cybernetic theory:
- creator of the fate-controlled, pre-existing world
- fate-controlled, pre-existing block-universe {rock} world
- control-thought inserter/injector
- control-thought receiver/receptacle
It turns out that
the bull (the seemingly autonomous personal control system)
is actually, under the hood/cover,
a control-thought receiver/receptacle
that is controlled by
the control-thought inserter/injector {sol}
which is controlled by
the pre-existing worldline of personal control-thoughts
which is controled by
god/ Zeus/God/ the Creator/ the Lion
outside the fate-controlled cosmos
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The mind changes:
From: a simple-single locus-of-control:
the bull (the seemingly autonomous personal control system)
To: this control-hierarchy:
God/ Zeus/ the Creator/ the Lion
the pre-existing worldline of personal control-thoughts
the control-thought inserter/injector {sol}
a control-thought receiver/receptacle
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In terms of Mystery Religion mythemes:
- The trans-cosmic lion born outside of the rock
- The block universe/ snake (or m/f snake-pair)-in-rock/ pre-existence/ Fatedness
- Mithras
- Sol/charioteer
- Luna/ bull/ local virtual egoic locus of control, in the ordinary state of consciousness


child gets threatened-to-death, scythed
[11:37 a.m. December 14, 2020] – chariot drawn by 2 Drakones =
the mind’s personal control system is controlled by 2 snakes =
controlled by 2 worldlines =
controlled by 1 Male worldline + 1 Female worldline =
the control-thought inserter/injector +
the control-thought receiver/receptacle
This perception of control-reality occurs in the fate-ruled sphere-and-gateway of the fixed stars (Heimarmene);
Creator-> fate-> control-thought inserter> control-thought receiver [cfir]
replaces
childhood simple monolithic “autonomous control-agent” thinking [csm]
monolithic “autonomous control-agent” thinking [macat]
“autonomous control-agent” thinking [acat]
monolithic autonomous control-agent [maca]
autonomous control-agent [aca]
Creator-> fate-> control-thought inserter> control-thought receiver
replaces
monolithic “autonomous control-agent” thinking
Creator-> block universe-> control-thought inserter> control-thought receiver
Creator-> block universe-> control-thought inserter> control-thought receiver
replaces
simple monolithic autonomous control-agent [smaca]
simple monolithic control-agent [smca]
monolithic control-agent [mca]
Creator-> block universe-> control-thought inserter> control-thought receiver
replaces:
simple monolithic autonomous control-agent
Tauroctony elements for Creator-> block universe-> control-thought inserter> control-thought receiver:
snake in rock =
the fate-controlled worldline frozen into the pre-existing block universe [fwfb]
the worldline frozen into the block universe [wfbu]
the worldline of control-thoughts frozen into the block universe [wctfbu]
- Lion outside fixed stars/heimarmene
- snake in rock – the fate-controlled worldline frozen into the pre-existing block universe
- Sol – the control-thought inserter/injector
- Luna – the control-thought receiver/receptacle
self-sacrificing, self-threatening, ending the dominance/claim of lower thinking, sacrificing the centrality/origin-claim of the egoic locus-of-control power claim/assumption. by demonstrating the threatening of it, acknowledges the actual control-chain:
- God the ultimate creator/controller of the block-universe world
- the block-universe world
- the control-thought inserter/injector
- the control-thought receiver/receptacle
Hekates’ chariot drawn by pair of drakones

Euripides – The Medea – Voicethread Unit
https://mrfelstead.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/medea-voicethread/
Two dead figures.

https://www.pinterest.com/catherine8610/greek-pottery/
Greek Pottery
Collection by Catherine Ingham
Y-shaped laurel tree; as time advances, the single worldline is recognized as a pair partnerered pair of worldlines, control-thought inserter + control-thought receiver, when non-branching becomes visible/perceptible.
Two dead figures.
Variety of Mushroom-Tree Cap Styles in Christian Art Explained
Variety of mushroom-tree caps styles in Christian art explained: https://www.pinterest.com/psupress/edible-wild-mushrooms-of-pennsylvania-and-the-mid-/
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HO-HO-HOLY SPIRIT!
🎄🍄🦌🦌🦌🦌🛷🎅🎁
IF YOU ARE GOOD, THE NATIVE CHRISTMAS SHAMANS WILL INITIATE YOU IN THE SACRED MEAL THAT WAS USED IN ALL THE HELLENISTIC MYSTERY RELIGIONS (SECRET AMANITA CULTS)
“But they did have these loaves of bread inscribed with a cross. They also drank wine at these Mithraeum communion banquets, and the wine was laced with Amanita muscaria mushrooms, which were intended to produce a kind of out-of-body experience.” 2:20
Video:
Mithraism with Jason Reza Jorjani
YT ch: New Thinking Allowed with Jeffrey Mishlove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIQ0i_1eoJ8&t=135s
OF COURSE for the thumbnail image, HE CHOOSES THE MALFORMED STATUE WHERE MITHRAS FAILS TO REMEMBER TO TURN, CONVERT, AND LOOK BACK BEHIND HIM TO THE RIGHT, TO PERCEIVE SOL, THE MIND’S UNCONTROLLABLE SOURCE OF CONTROL-THOUGHTS.
Sacrificial Climax – Higher Thinking Doesn’t Do Physical Harm, But Commits a Control-System Violation to Sabotage and Disprove the Personal Egoic Control System — Turning the Will Against Itself
The higher mind, in God-mode thinking (not to say ominpotent; this is not saying that the mind gains control over its thought-source), the mind finds a sacrifice-potential, a vulnerability-exploit.
The mind finds a way to self-blade itself, a real kind of violation, willing against willing, a cybernetic self-cancellation that amounts to a control-system violation.
Not that this involves harm; but the mind discovers that it can be made to will anything, in God-mode thinking, and that spells the terminal death of child-mode thinking, with no more reincarnation, forgetting, falling back into egoic possibilism-thinking.
It is a real kind of self-penetrating, self-blading, a cybernetic intentional sabotage, to finally disprove personal egoic control agency, in the center of the bull-man’s labyrinth where child-thinking enters, and is sacrificed, and does not re-entrench, but the mind finally remembers and holds onto eternalism-thinking.
The mind is made to hunt for a way to disrupt, thwart, break, disprove, wreck in some sense, to catch-out the fatal vulnerability, powerlessness, and contradiction of the virtual egoic control system.
Higher thinking & observation discovers a vulnerability, a sacrifice opportunity, a way to fully and finally thwart lower thinking.
The higher mind hunts for a way to overthrow the old possibilism-thinking, childhood logic, and the mind finds that way, and “does” that violation.
What exactly does that act of sabotage/ disproof entail? Being made to will against one’s will — at that point, the old way of thinking dies, violated, self-cancelled, purified, pollution burned away.
Heading
Praying to the spirit of Chris Bennett to be of the mind to comment on well familiar tauroctony.
Mithraism — Think with the Female-Male Mind of Mithras, Look at Sol not Just Luna, Blade Ego-Bull and Its World in Its Vulnerable Control-thought Receptacle
Shine torch light on the snake in the covered basket underneath the projected-image, “virtual egoic control agent” mask layer. Remember the worldline of the control-thought injector
All Mithraism material from my 2006 Main Article
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Astral ascent mysticism centers around the dangerous gateway or “fatal” boundary crossing – the sphere of the fixed stars – representing the apprehension of Heimarmene and its control of one’s thoughts. The stars wind around the world in a spiral pattern over time; this pattern is depicted by the Heimarmene-snake wrapped around the cosmos, cosmic egg, or Mithraic lion-headed gatekeeper figure.
The Potential for Control Breakdown and Transformation
Julius Caesar was authorized for power by his seizures, and the bull in his military’s Mithraic mystery-cult was wounded in the side, so the figure of Jesus was shown as similarly authorized by the spear-wound in his side, and the figure of the apostle Paul was portrayed as suffering from seizures. The ability to make self-control seize or cancel itself dramatically is an afflicting thorn (2 Cor. 12:7-10), hole, or wound in our side, the innate cybernetic governance-failure through which the new, transformed life is born. The new transcendence-aware self is given birth through the pride-killing disproof-wound in the side.
Jupiter Optimus Maximus means ‘all-good’ and ‘all-powerful’, as is hoped for from a protective deity when one is vulnerable to awareness of Heimarmene in the intense mystic altered state.

Mithras demonstrates that his arm wields control over the power of the bull’s shoulder. Sol is reconciled with Mithras in a pact, and given transcendent power. Sol becomes an authorized charioteer, steering the quadriga with Mithras, guided by Mercury (or Hermes), who is holding a Fatedness-snake on a time-pole. [ouch another “time-pole” half-on-target decoding]
Sacrificing to End Battling the Thought-Source
‘Sacrifice’ is a mental attitude of cooperative dependence on that which gives thoughts, your will having been overcome and made to will its own demise as an empty delusion, turned against itself by now-revealed transcendent power. Sacrifice offers up and hands over your claim to effective independent power, as opposed to battling against your near-future self and the inherently overpowering source of all thoughts and movements of will.
Sacrificing your autonomy-claim, acknowledging your dependency on that which ultimately gives you your thoughts, brings mental peace and harmony and calms turmoil, because you are relieved from increasing your attempt to grasp and secure power over your own power; relieved from testing the power of your autonomy and the limits of your self-control thoughts.
Roman sacrificial altars are typically shown with a libation of concentrated, psychoactive unmixed wine being poured on the altar, which opens up a channel to the gods, along with the sacrificial animal such as the unresisting, cooperative bull. The sacrificer pouring the libation has a cloth behind the head, representing the spiritual ecstatic state, where awareness is positioned outside of the usual mind, perceiving its functioning.
Mithras overpowering and sacrificing the bull represents the delusion of self-originated control-power being given over to the transcendent level, with Mithras’ arm wielding the bull’s shoulder and his knife piercing and fatally wounding it. The wound in the bull’s side indicates Mithras demonstrating his power over the bull’s control-power. Mithras wrestles and overpowers the initiate’s control of their will, reconfiguring their understanding of control-power to account for the transcendent givenness of one’s thoughts.

Sol represents the mind’s awareness, which in the dissociative state is positioned ecstatically outside the mind’s functioning. The mind is possessed and overtaken by Mithras. Pure awareness passively watches the sacrificial disproof of the mind’s claim to wield independent personal control-power.
A tauroctony fresco in a Mithraeum shows the self-command bull being sacrificed near the shoulder. A Heimarmene-snake is inevitably drawn toward ingesting the entheogenic blood; often the snake approaches a wine-mixing bowl below the bull instead. A blue-stemmed Psilocybe mushroom appears in Mithras’ leg and garment, with the stem proceeding through 7 steps, up to the stars. The billowing cape behind Mithras indicates the ecstatic state. The sphere of the fixed stars is shown on Mithra’s cape, inside the underworld cave. The god forcefully pins the bull, who is paralyzed and unable to stand. Mithras’ feminine features indicate the soul abducted and married by divine power. Mithras turns to knowingly look back behind the conventional self-concept to see the source of thoughts and movements of the will.
/ end of Mithraism material from my 2006 Main Article
http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/mithras/display.php?page=main
Ulansey’s summary page: move pole star, transcend Heimarmene:
http://www.mysterium.com/mithras.html
Website:
Honor the Gods
Article:
Tauroctony
has color-enhanced pic of my taur’y
https://honorthegodsblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/12/can-you-imagine-knocking-down-a-wall-to-renovate/tauroctony/
The shine-light-on-hidden-sht-going-on-in-your-control-power-center that snake underneath the empty mask as if the puppet/reflection local locus of control were autonomous when contrrol-thoughts are coming in unstoppably and uncontrollably, light makes visible through elevated – female/male Mithras turns to look back behind the mask of personal e personal egoic control agent at Sol the real source of control , local control is at its mercy at the mercy ofwhathever pre-existing control thoughotus are in the near-future in the worldline of the control-thought inserter, at that time, the mind is eternally laid out with those control-thoughts inserted at each time along the worldline of the control-thought-inserter the snake we’re at th emercy of. Mithras turns to remember and hang on to e-t eternalism-thinking , and not turn to look left toward Luna and forget, and fall back into soul freewill possibilism-thinking and fordet DON’T FORGET ETERNALISM-THINKING … the mind seeks clear thinking regarding the personal control system, leads to purify/purge/ disprove-away.
If the goal is to get rid of or break free from possibilism-thinking, because it’s powerless and unstable and leads to cybernetic death/cancellation/complete overcoming of control / loss of ballast of control.
This is actually can be similar to why McFakea stopped using the flesh of christ, he described meaningless of life but in some ways that’s similar to becoming able to, made able to think anything, to will anything, having no values, transcending usual thinking, values, , ballast; shipwreck storm while possibilism-thinking remains.
possibilism-thinking + altered state = giving birth to a lion-faced serpent monster.
I probly read this article 2005 http://www.mysterium.com/mithras.html
The Cosmic Mysteries of Mithras
ffemale/male god Mithras instead of looking at Luna, he now looks at the hidden behind his projected mask of Luna, who was virgin, turns to the right in the eternalism-thinking direction, turning to look back to the right at Cybernetic theory, looks at the true locus of control, the hand hiden inside the puppet, now illuminated made visible by the mushroom sacred self-sacrificing meal, the poison meal poisoning traces of egoic possibilism-thinking,
The mental conversion from possibilism-thinking to eternalism-thinking
possibilism mental worldmodel of time, self, possibility, and control
eternalism mental worldmodel of time, self, possibility, and control
TRANSFORMED FROM BRANCHING-POSSIBILITIES-THINKING TO PRE-EXISTENCE-THINKING
is verbose common words common parlance to say with pro jargon, efficiency, conciseness, of uncommon words used by the mind jammers. uncommon yet there are other meanings of these tech terms.
transformed from possibilism-thinking to eternalism-thinking
transformation of the mental worldmodel from possibilism-thinking to eternalism-thinking




caduceus = message, about two worldlines intertwined, male and female serpent king & queen co-rulers, rebis one body has Mithras but a female nature sacrificed the luna crescent bull. look away from luna as locus of control, look toward the true ruler – the control-thought inserter along its worldline, Sol. The bull’s shoulder is its egoic locus of control power. It is vulnerable to the control-thought inserter spear, become visible now in the snake in a bascket –
- blade = control-thought inserter,
- serpent = the worldline of personal control-thoughts, of the blade, of the control-thought inserter, of the female+ now consciously is arrived the male part, the true ruler, the real locus of control & power. Not the projected and pwoerless female, control-thought receiver.
Email to Brian Muraresku
Hi Brian,
In November, I wrote these articles, in response to Jerry Brown’s question to me, about whether I or my cohorts have defined “criteria of proof” & what counts as “evidence”, for mushrooms in Christian art.
Brown is co-author of the book The Psychedelic Gospels and the article Entheogens in Christian art: Wasson, Allegro, and the Psychedelic Gospels.
Proof that the Canterbury Psalter’s Leg-Hanging Mushroom Tree Is Psilocybe
Michael Hoffman, November 20, 2020
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/19/proof-that-the-canterbury-psalters-leg-hanging-mushroom-tree-is-psilocybe/
Defining “Compelling Evidence” & “Criteria of Proof” for Mushrooms in Christian ArtMichael Hoffman, November 16, 2020
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/13/compelling-evidence-criteria-of-proof-for-greek-bible-mushrooms/
Scholars’ Failure to Debate Mushrooms in Christian Art
Top half is a summary of the situation.
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/20/scholars-failure-to-debate-mushrooms-in-christian-art/
Cyberdisciple is the most qualified Classics scholar/initiate to critique your book. You should read his weblog pages about your book:
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/?s=muraresku
Cheers– Michael Hoffman, the theorist of ego death
Andrew Sullivan – Podcast: Brian Muraresku On Psychedelics And Bringing Enchantment Back To Christianity
Podcast:
I used Find in a Podcast app: Sullivan Muraresku
Brian Muraresku On Psychedelics And Bringing Enchantment Back To Christianity
1:30:00 total.
I’m interested in the angle, “Bringing Enchantment Back To Christianity”.
https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/brian-muraresku-on-psychedelics-and
Starts with Sullivan reading ‘s quoting of Cicero uncharacteristically enthusing about the Mysteries of Eleusis, with its “mixed potion”.
Robert Graves in 1957 decoded the recipe for the kykeon “mixed potion” as MUKE; mushrooms.
12:00 – Sullivan has done mushrooms many times.
Muraresku has no entheogen experience.
14:40 Mur asserts women did the mixing. 16:00 “Brewing was the women’s art.”
53:00 “Ego death” — It’s almost as good as decades of meditation. AS IF we know for a sure fact, that meditation works.
What flimsy ground! — Let’s justify psychedelics by comparing them to “meditation”, while treating the Nondrug Meditation Industry as the given, factual, established, measure-of-credibility; the authority, the reference-point of Truth.
Topical Notes on Digest 145 of Egodeath Yahoo Group – Decoding the Bestiary Salamander Image with Y-branching Mushroom Tree
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Egodeath Yahoo Group – Digest #145 – Posts 7457-7520 (Dec. 2015)
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/12/egodeath-yahoo-group-posts-7457-7520/
Motivation for choosing to upload this particular Digest: Contains my late-2015 analysis of images that are treated in Hatsis’ articles 5 years ago.
This archive shows how far I got decoding the bestiary salamander image. I got far, in 2015.
I didn’t get so far as, contrast “snake vs. branching-into-2 mushroom tree”; nor, “right hand pressed firmly and stably against head, while left hand floats, giving no stability”. That left-hand analysis has a weak foundation, from this isolated image; the theme of “left hand floats, giving no stability” is foregrounded in the Canterbury “mushroom tree/ hanging/ sword” image.
Similarly, the mushroom in the “dancing” man’s garment, with the “erect garment” theme per Rush (= the ecstatic self-violation state; the altered state; the intense mystic altered state), is not as strong in this isolated image as in the Dionysus’ Triumph mosaic.
My mytheme-decoding really took off when I worked across multiple images, cross-decoding them as a set.
In November 2020, I came closer to completely decoding the bestiary salamander image with Y-branching mushroom tree.
Decoding the bestiary salamander image, which Hatsis’ article brought to my attention in 2015, was a good warm-up exercise to tackle the hugely important and advanced image, the Canterbury “mushroom tree/ hanging/ sword” image with the trained, self-threatening Psalter viewer.
The remaining fine-tuning of my decoding of the bestiary salamander image with Y-branching mushroom tree, is how best to map, using analogies, the rod-splitting-into-two form, which is seen in the caduceus and in mushroom trees.
There is also a “snake branching into 3” form, to debate about the best, most correct decoding.
This isn’t primarily a matter of “what did people think”; this is primarily theory-driven: given the Egodeath theory, including Cybernetic theory & Mytheme theory:
How is the form of “non-branching rod or snake, split into a pair of branched rods or snakes”, or into “a trio of branched rods or snakes”, most like Egodeath theory/ Transcendent Knowledge; how is it most analogous to “things that are observed and experienced in the altered state”?
What is the strongest similarity between the form of “rod branching into 2 rods”, and “things that are observed and experienced in the altered state”?
Topical Notes on Digest 144 of Egodeath Yahoo Group – Analyzed Bestiary Salamander Image in Dec. 2015
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Egodeath Yahoo Group – Digest #144 – Posts 7398-7456 (Dec. 2015)
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/12/egodeath-yahoo-group-posts-7398-7456/
Motivation for uploading this particular digest:
This is evidence that I critiqued Hatsis’ articles & ‘salamander’ years ago, and I completely disagree with his arguments, thus disproving his assertion in the book Psychedelic Mystery Traditions that the reason people disagree with his “no mushrooms in Christianity” position is that they are ignorant of his rock-solid, instantly compelling arguments.
I first posted about ‘Hatsis’ starting on December 24, 2015 (evidence below [ie at the Digest page linked above]). I also posted a Comment on Cyberdisciple’s weblog on the same day.
Some of the circa 2016 discussion of Letcher or Hatsis, by Cyberdisciple or EgodeathTheory (Cybermonk, Michael Hoffman), at Cyberdisciple’s weblog:
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/?s=letcher
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/?s=hatsis
In his book, he falsely claims that he has compelling arguments in his articles. His book Psychedelic Mystery Traditions omits to even summarize his allegedly compelling arguments against mushrooms in Christian art.
I’ve provably been aware of his articles’ argument since he first uploaded his articles, and they are bad arguments.
His statement in his book is false, that the reason people don’t agree with his position is that they haven’t read his arguments in his articles.
Another Image with Salamander-Serpent, Left-Foot Floating, Odd branching
Hatsis’ mytheme-obtuse, poetry-illiterate, outsiders’ article opposes {being dead} versus {experiencing divine revelations}.
Note to Self: Remember not to sign up for Esoteric Poetry 101 with mystically tone-deaf Prof. Hatsis. Poseur witch writes: “The salamander signifies a salamander unequivocally“. Additional Digest archives of my early 2016 posts, have me labelling Hatsis as “even more of an outsider than Ruck”. “It’s the 80% blind, criticizing the 50% blind.”
Such articles as Hatsis Roasting Hatsis are merely an argument among rank outsiders, who are struggling just to arrive at the outermost gate: recognizing mushrooms in art.
http://psychedelichistorian.com/roasting-jan-irvin/ —

“MS. Bodl. 602 simply depicts long-held traditions about salamanders. And it isn’t alone. Other manuscripts, like the c. 1300 Brussels Manuscript, and the c. Douai Manuscript (c. late 13th century), also show this widely held belief: each document depicts a man eating a fruit (usually an apple) that a salamander has corrupted with poison. The theme is common28. There is also this curious depiction (Figure 2) of the same image from the Bestiary of Ann Walsh, produced in the 15th century. This man is neither dancing nor experiencing divine revelations. He is dead from eating the poisoned fruit of the fire-resistant salamander, just as the legends of yore foretold.”
A legless salamander, that looks like a serpent? QUICK, PASS OVER THIS WITHOUT REMARK; MAYBE NO ONE WILL NOTICE!
Why do I waste my time; my conversation is with the wise. Nice easter-egg find though; at least the pictures are instructive and say something wise, not foolishness:
The altered state, loose cognitive binding, reveals the pre-existing worldline of control-thoughts, including the worldline of the control-thought inserter hidden within the personal control system; and reveals non-branching; the illusory nature of the apparent possibilities-branching world, populated with king Ego, power-steering through the branching tree to create the future.
The {fire} of the altered state reveals monopossibility, rendering the virtual egoic control system naught but a powerless reflection; a dead, empty, impotent image.
Email via Contact Form, to Tom Hatsis
Establishing my Priority of Discovery; my requisite inclusion & recognition in entheogen scholarship coverage.
Hi Tom,
Thanks for your entheogen scholarship, including books, videos, articles, presentations, and activism.
You’re hearing from me, the case for 3 types of mushrooms in Christian art:
Liberty Caps, Cubensis, and Amanita.
I wrote a couple articles in November. These articles bring-in decades of my own original research.
Defining “Compelling Evidence” & “Criteria of Proof” for Mushrooms in Christian Art
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/13/compelling-evidence-criteria-of-proof-for-greek-bible-mushrooms
Proof that the Canterbury Psalter’s Leg-Hanging Mushroom Tree Is Psilocybe
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/19/proof-that-the-canterbury-psalters-leg-hanging-mushroom-tree-is-psilocybe/
Cheers
— Michael Hoffman, the theorist of Egodeath
His reply
I recently lost my debate partner on these matters and would be more than happy to discuss this issue with you..
Full disclosure – I find the idea totally ridiculous.
Just wanted to be honest about that up front.
If that doesn’t bother you or scare you away, let’s talk. 🙂
shrooms and riding brooms,
Tom
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Hi Tom,
It’s important for the field of Western mushroom scholarship, or the field of Western entheogen scholarship more broadly, that we have this constructive discussion.
After much writing and fulminating, I feel I finally managed to write a constructive critical write-up.
What Letcher-Hatsis, Ruck, Irvin, and Pop Onlookers Must Change, for Constructive/ Productive Western Mushroom Scholarship
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/14/what-letcher-hatsis-ruck-irvin-and-pop-onlookers-must-change/
I haven’t yet communicated this request to Ruck, to stop using the word ‘secret’, which is just confusing himself, confusing everyone, and confusing the issues.
— Mike
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Hi Mike,
I look forward to reading what you have here. We’ll be in touch 🙂
shrooms and brooms,
Tom
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this just in, added to See Also in that new article:
See Also
A new see-also article just published, same day:
Influence of early anthropological theorizing on ‘entheogen’ scholarship: John Allegro, The Sacred Mushroom
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/2020/12/14/influence-of-early-anthropological-theorizing-on-entheogen-scholarship-john-allegro-the-sacred-mushroom/
Mytheme: {branching into two}, such as in {caduceus}, {mushroom tree}, {andro-gyne} / {rebis}
- Is a criticism of branching; asserting non-branching; against possibilism, for eternalism.
- Represents mental worldmodel transformation from a single virtual egoic control system, to a 2-component system differentiating:
- control-thought inserter; Sol; the sun, the source of light; male; active; king; trans-personal source of control; abductor.
- control-thought receiver; Luna; the moon, reflects light; female; passive; queen; local personal locus of control; abducted.
Pasting an “Egodeath Yahoo Group” Digest HTML File, into an HTML Block in a WordPress Page
New website to experiment w/ html Egodeath Yahoo Group files.
https://egodeaththeory195887724.wordpress.com/
2nd page:
Egodeath Yahoo Group
https://egodeaththeory195887724.wordpress.com/egodeath-yahoo-group/
The giant paste of huge html <table> worked. The Egodeath Yahoo Group posts 2001-2004 are at Egodeath site, threaded by topic. This table of the first 50 posts from 2001 really is a new perspective. Star nav – TOC at top shows thread title, who posted, date of post, jumps down to the post, inline in temporal, post# order regardless of topic — it’s a Digest, that way. Whatever the latest sequence of posts covered topics/threads, it’s here all sequentially by post#.
Announcement there, Caduceus decoded:
{male snake} = {king} = {phallus} = control-thought inserter‘s worldline
{female snake} = {queen} = {cup} = helpless thought-receiver‘s worldline
2 parallel snakes = 2 parallel worldlines =
worldline of the control-thought inserter,
worldline of the helpless thought-receiver
Text I Typed at the WordPress e-t website:
https://egodeaththeory195887724.wordpress.com/
The reader of this Psalter is thinking about cybernetic self-threatening.
The personal control system is made to blade itself.
It is given instructional messages of wrath and of mercy.
{snake} worldline + {phallus} control-thought inserter = the worldline of the control-thought inserter, intertwined ..
I remember this idea 2012, a similar idea remembered.
When I worked on local control agency = femmale, helpless thought reeciver.
Now trace those [10:47 p.m. December 10, 2020] — pair of intertwined snakes, male & female.
The worldline of the helpless, powerless control-thought receiver, in relation to the worldline of the worldline of the control-thought inserter.
The two partners, woven together — two snake-shaped distinct worldlines, caduceus, Andro Gyne I def’ly did decoding work on that, together with my first figuring decoding {female} = local control helpless puppet agency thought-receiver, = the female queen in the pair, one body
alchemy andro-gyne, herme-aphrodite, 1 body, two heads, crowned, bearded male, king; female, queen — queen is the reflective moon virtual image of control center (evil king usurper of the throne from the rightful king}, king is the true control-source. Partners — two control centers’ worldlines = 2 snakes intertwined.
The worldline of the control-thought inserter; wrath vs. mercy:

“I’m being made to experiment and demonstrate willing against myself by Dionysus teaching, training, educating, making the case, demonstrating the utter lack of local egoic control power, scourging the personal control system like in Villa of the Mysteries.”
What’s In the Covered Container, that’s Revealed in Mystery Religion
I predict the following items in the covered container in Mystery Religion: doll, snake, phallus.
{doll} = local control agency virtual egoic control agent, powerless; its seeming apparent power, is a reflected image, like moon reflects sun’s light.
{snake} = the worldline of the normally hidden, control-thought inserter.
{phallus} = the normally hidden control-thought inserter.
1997 theory-spec wording combining {worldline + control-thought inserter}: “the pre-set stream of injected thoughts”:
The Pre-set Stream of Injected Thoughts, Puppethood, and the Inability to Control Future Actions
Branching Patterns in Brinckmann’s Book’s Plates
Brinckmann’s book [5:08 p.m. December 10, 2020] shows an intriguing image like the Pink Key Tree in the Canterbury “mushroom tree/ hanging/ sword” image with the trained, self-threatening Psalter reader:
OMG it’s a REPEATING PATTERN! LEFT BRANCH OF MUSRHOM TREE IS BRANCHING, THE RIGHT BRANCH IS CUT OFF!
GOT TO START A BRINKMANN PLATES PAGE. – done.
To confirm a theme that Egodeath theory / Mytheme theory predicts (branching on left, non-branching on right), I’d need the original art that Brinkmann used to draw his shape-diagrams, and the English translation of Brinckmann’s book, including captions for the numbered shape-illustrations in each plate.
Brinckmann, Mushroom Trees, & Asymmetrical Branching
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/11/brinckmann-mushroom-trees-asymmetrical-branching/
Amanita Strawman Strategy: Conflate All Mushrooms with Amanita, Dismiss Amanita, then Declare That You Disproved “Mushrooms” – Unbelievable Lack of Awareness of Images of Liberty Cap & Cubensis in Christian Art, Zero Consideration, Blinded by Amanita-Obsession/ Fixation/ Reductionism
The vid w/ the 3 of them was fine — Hatsis, Bennette, & Muraresku.
Video title:
Psanctum Oddcast Ep 3 Chris Bennett and Brian Muraresku
YouTube channel: Psychedelic Historian [= Tom Hatsis]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G7yiTwLr6o – Notes say:
“… forthcoming books … “The Sacred Mushroom Conspiracy” (spring, 2022).”
They have differences of opinion.
Having two esteemed authors, keeps his tone in check.
The vid with just Hatsis was awful, a massive failure of argumentation, failure to discuss Liberty Cap Form and Cubensis Form AT ALL.
Here’s his argument:
The image looks like a parasol, not an Amanita.
Therefore the image represents a parasol, not an Amanita.
Therefore the image doesn’t represent a mushroom.
THAT’S LITERALLY HIS ARGUMENT! UN-FCKING BELIEVABLE.
Fallacies he commits:
o Changing the claim/objective/scope. slip-n-slide
o Conflating one case with all possible cases.
o Conflating 7 distinct questions.
Hamfisted af.
Mushroom Trees Debunked
YouTube channel: Psychedelic Historian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrfeNp1FSUY
He has gotten himself so confused, it’s not worth anyone’s time to straighten him out.
He strains to argue: these are not amanita, they are umbrellas/parasols.
He’s evidently never heard of Liberty Caps.
He’s confused and unclear, that there are 3 families of shapes (if not more).
Cubensis, Amanita, & Liberty Caps have very different morphologies.
The permissible/expected range of shapes, for “mushrooms” is wider than he realizes.
It is remarkable how he keeps using the word ‘Amanita’ where you’d expect him to say “mushrooms, either Amanita or Cubensis or Liberty Cap”.
He acts unaware of these 3 distinct shape-families.
He says all mushroom trees represent an umbrella, a Parasol of Victory.
He doesn’t discuss that parasols were respected because they are shaped like an umbrella.
It is evident in a couple ways, he’s not familiar with the images, and he acts like he’s not familiar with photos or specimens of actual mushrooms – the various shapes of Amanita, Cubensis, and Liberty Cap.
Any actual entheogen mushroom scholar would be surprised, even shocked, at his unexpected word-choice of “Amanita” when you’d expect him to say “mushroom” or “Liberty Cap”. He is too confused to debate, because his position requires him to be fixated on Amanita, and conflate Amanita with all mushrooms.
Exactly the same strategy of self-confusion through conflation & fixation (on a “secret Amanita cult” theory practically of his own invention), as Letcher.
This video is a misfire that fails to make its case – WHY DIDN’T HE NAME THE VIDEO “MUSHROOM TREES AS AMANITA IS DEBUNKED”? THAT’S THE ONLY THING HE ATTEMPTS IN THE VIDEO.
Not a parasol of victory, and not an amanita, and no one is claiming that this is Amanita, and yet that’s the theory that he obsesses on tearing down, while claiming he’s disproved “mushroom trees” — he strategically conflates Amanita with mushrooms of all types.
He acts like he’s never seen a Liberty Cap.
This Isn’t a Cubensis with Liberty Caps; It’s an Impressionistically Rendered Italian Pine with Umbrella Pines

From High-Resolution Complete Canterbury Psalter, folio 11
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10551125c/f11.item
He explains that all mushroom trees are NOT Amanitas, like everyone says (not true but that’s his strawman-story), but are umbrellas, Parasols of Victory. He shows this illustration:

Compare some of Brinckmann’s plates, censored by Pope-buddy Wasson:
Brinckmann, Mushroom Trees, & Asymmetrical Branching
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/11/brinckmann-mushroom-trees-asymmetrical-branching/
Evidence That He’s Never Seen Liberty Caps: They Have Tassles, Which Flips His Argument* Against Him – His Argument* Backfires; Tassels Are Evidence for Liberty Cap
(*Vague, vacillating, conflation-packed haze-argument.)
He argues in that “Mushroom Trees Debunked” video that the tassels, together with nub on top, prove it’s a Parasol of Victory, not a mushroom. The as-loud-as-wrong entheogen scholar literally acts like he’s never heard of Liberty Caps — he actually acts like the only psychoactive mushroom under discussion is Amanita. But of course, he’s inconsistent on that. He’s inconsistent.
Letcher’s book, same — the main character of the book: it’s inconsistent about what the distinct issues are, and what’s his position regarding each distinct issue.
Image search for liberty cap mushroom
https://www.bing.com/search?q=liberty+cap+mushroom






3 Distinct Families of Mushroom Shape
Liberty Cap Morphology
Vertical ribs/gill-lines.
Thin straight stem, no branching.
Tassels where gill-lines remain but cap is gone.
Nub on top.
Amanita Morphology
Famous lifecycle, striking colors and shapes.
White veil remnant patches against orange-to-red cap.
Thick white stem.
Egg form.
Dumbell form.
Holy Grail, upturned kylix-chalice typically collects a pool of rain.
Book: Strange Fruit, Heinrich.
Cubensis Morphology
Branching clusters.
Wandering/veering angles.
Ball-on rod when veil not separated.
Design Scope of Theory-Concepts Page
Tangent: Make 4 Concepts pages instead of 3?
Core Concepts
Key Mythemes
Meta-theory of the Cybernetic theory
Meta-theory of the Mytheme theory
That is, break up page:
Thteory-Concepts into:
Meta-theory of the Cybernetic theory
Meta-theory of the Mytheme theory
Outline of the current scope of the “Theory Concepts” page:
Theory-Concepts Groups
- The Egodeath theory — Meta-Theory
- The Cybernetic theory — How Loosecog Works
- The Mytheme theory <– move to separate page?
Titanomachy — Battle of Levels of Old vs. New Gods, Modelled After Battle Between the Old/ Lower Level’s Possibilism-Thinking vs. the New/ Higher Level’s Eternalism-Thinking
Titanomachy — Battle of Levels of Old vs. New Gods, Modelled After Battle Between Old, Egoic Projected-Image Virtual Agents on Lower Level/ Possibilism-Thinking Level vs. New, Transcendent Truth-Aware Agents of Higher Level/ Eternalism-Thinking Level
The {abduction/sacrifice} that Was Made to Occur, to Fish Us Out Up from Lower, Mortal Level to the Level of the Gods/Immortals
Yet another reason to practice Gnosticism: McKenna disparaged it.
McFakea
You know the guy who asserts than there’s no mushrooms in Christianity (big bad church, turn off brain now, conversation over, stop looking, give up, don’t look at all those mushroom indicators, just ignore those and like dumb-as-an-ox, or dumber probably, doesn’t know his left foot from his right, I saw a photo of him with only his left foot touching the ground.
My own oxen are smarter than that; right is the way to heaven. Left cannot pass through the door on the way up to the god-mode level of personal control system. Have you sacrificed your childhood-thinking, to transform to the eternalism of the gods,the immortals, who have been made to sacrifice their child thinking to return back home to origi block pre-existent Heimarmene snake in rock inject thoughts around a temporary volatile mental structure that is designed to know the will and see tehe will of god inside her the female thought-receiver and her revealed higher PARTNER IN THE 80S POPULAR ALLCAPS VERY COMMONPLACE IN MANY CONTEXTS
THE AGE OF THE ROCK GODS
THE SNAKE-WORSHIPPING ROCK GODS FAMILY OF THREE CARVED AS GOD-HEADED SERPENTS CARVED FROZEN INTO THE ROCK ALTAR OF SACRIFICED THE THE CHILD WHEN WAS ON THE WA UP TO THIS LEVEL ABOVE HEIMARNE MENE NOW MOVING THE POLE PRECESSION EXINOX TRANSCENDING THE SPHERE OF —
TOO MUCH FOCUS ON HEIMARMENE FIXED STARS
IT IS WRONG, TO JUST IGNORE:
SATURN WHO SCYTHES AWAY, THE COST TO REACH THIS GOD LEVEL THAT WAE HAD TO PAY WAS:
OUR ONLY CHILDHOOD-SELF HAD TO BE SACRIFICED
TO MAKE IT UP TO THIS TRANSCENDENT LEVEL,
THE COST OF ENTRY: YOUR EGOIC ILLUSION PROJECTED IMAGE PASSSIVE COLLAPSE VIRGINITY LOST
BUT MYTHIC
{VIRGIN MAIDEN MARY MOON REFLECTION OF LIGHT OF GOD THE TRUE AUTHOR OF CONTROL-THOUGHTS, THE TRUE KING/ CREATOR/ CONTROLLER}
ANALYSIS: SHE IS PENETRATED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT [HS] Holy Spirit [hs]
SHE IS ONLY A ‘VIRGIN’ MYSTICALLY IN A MYSTIC MYTHEME SENSE – STANDARD MYTHEME-SEQUENCE
klkjd holy spirit HOLY SPIRIT
interesting! keyboard shortcuts are case-sensitive unique!! the expansions are case-differentiated!
holy spirit holy spirit HOLY SPIRIT HOLY SPIRIT
define [acro]/keyboard shortcuts:
holy spirit [hs]
Holy Spirit [Hs]
HOLY SPIRIT [HS]
test (no capslock):
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Holy spirit
HOLY SPIRIT
It works!
HOLY SPIRIT Holy spirit holy spirit holy spirit Holy spirit HOLY SPIRIT
THE COST OF ENTRY TO GET PAST WINNOW-THRESH-SCYTHE FUNCTION THE PERSEPHONE-SATURN FUNCTION:
- THE EGO
- THE WORLD IN WHICH EGO
GETTING UP TO THIS HIGH LEVEL OF THE IMMORTALS THAT WE DWELL IN WITH GOD-THE-TRUE-RULER AWARENESS DEMANDS *TWO* , A *PAIR* OF SACRIFICES:
1. SACRIFICE THE EGO AGENT
2. SACRIFICE THE POSSIBILITY-BRANCHING WORLD — WORLD CONFLAGRATION ALL THE BRANCHES ARE BURNED AWAY
PRODUCING A BRANCH WITH FRUIT.
BREAK OFF THE BRANCHING, TO GET THE FRUIT OF THE TREE (mytheme {removed-branch with fruiting}
PPL ARE WRONG TO IGNORE SATURN GATEKEEPER WHO SCYTHES-AWAY *NOT ONLY* EGO, BUT *ALSO*, ITS WORLD IS BURNED AWAY — YOU HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO SACRIFICE CHILDTHINKING; POSSIBILISM-THINKING TO MAKE IT UP TO THIS LEVEL OF HEIMARMENE AND
HEAVEN EMPERIUM — DWELLING PLACE OF GOD AND OF ALL THE ELECT
MY SOLUTION I CREATED IS TO
PAIR / COMBINE / IDENTIFY THE SPHERE OF SATURN & THE SPHERE OF THE FIXED STARS –>
SATURN IS THE GATEKEEPER FILTER TRANSFORMATION FUNCTION *OF* THE HEIMARMENE FIXED-STARS LEVEL.
SATURN IS THE GATEKEEPER OF THE SPHERE OF THE FIXED STARS HEIMARMENE <-my solution to give Saturn his due. When the spirit grain is pulled by force by the gods up to the eternalism-level, the Saturn-Persephone function strips away the hull, thresh-winnow-scythe,
GOD LIFTS YOU UP {lifted up/pushed down} WHILE HE STRIPS AWAY EGO PUSHING IT DOWN TO THE VIRTUAL ILLUSION UNDERWORLD LOWER LEVEL.
TO BECOME A STAR IN THE HEIMARMENE SPHERE, YOU ARE FORCIBLY MADE TO SACRIFICE YOUR CHILDHOOD-THINKING
I HOLD THAT VIRGIN MARY IDEA IS STANDARD NOTHIN SPECIAL, MYTH OF MYSTIC MEANING IS STANDARD.
DIME A DOZEN VIRGINS RAPD BY GODS/SPIRIT, GET ZAPPED SENT TO THE UNDERWOLD SHADOW-LAND OF THE OLD LOCUS OF CONTROL BACK WHEN THE MIND WAS A VIRGIN NOT YET IMPREG’D BY THE UNCONTROLLABLE SOURCE OF CONTROL-THOUGHTS
THE GENERO-VIRGIN MYTHEME, ALL MAIDENS GET SENT TO THE UNDERWORLD ON THEIR WAY UP TO THIS LEVEL ABOVE THE POSSIBILISM IMAGE PROJECTION SCREEN.
TO GET UP TO THIS TO BE GODS LIKE US THE MORTAL SELF IS TOAST; SENT DOWN TO THE UNDERWORLD SHADES OF PROJECTED AGENCY IMAGE.
Kore, Persephone, Demeter — Three Combinations of “Agency-in-World” Models
FIRST {SELF+WORLD} MODEL:
FIRST {SELF-IN-WORLD} MODEL:
KORE VIRGIN MAIDEN (VIRGIN PRINCESS MAIDEN WHO RULES/CONTROLS IN POSSIBILISM-LAND!) NOT BEEN FLIPPED TO ETERNALISM-THINKING YET, THEN
SECOND {SELF+WORLD} MODEL:
SECOND {SELF-IN-WORLD} MODEL:
QUEEEN OF THE UNDERWORLD (ADULT WHO RULES/CONTROLS IN POSSIBILISM-LAND UNDERWORLD) PERSEPHONE +
THE QUEEN OF THE ABOVEGROUND (ADULT WHO RULES/CONTROLS IN ETERNALISM-LAND) DEMETER THE MOTHER AN ADULT,
MAPPING TO {mystic family of 3}: roughly speaking,
1. child thinking in child world = Kore Maiden
= possibilism-agent in possibilism-world;
naive possibilism-thinking
Kore does NOT understand that she is an illusory virtual egoic control agent [iveca]. illusory virtual egoic control agent virtual egoic control agent
Kore simply does not exist;
the mind in Kore mode is simply deluded, centered around a false, illusory center.
2. adult thinking in child world = Persephone
= eternalism-agent in possibilism-world
qualified possibilism-thinking
Persephone understands that she is an illusory virtual egoic control agent.
This is the debatable interesting case, hard to simply describe the nature of Persephone’s existence as Queen of the Underworld; she does and does not exist.
Persephone does exist, but as a shade shadow reflection empty image in the underworld, an illusory *known to be illusory*
3. adult thinking in adult world = Demeter =
eternalism-agent in eternalism-world
eternalism-thinking
Demeter understands that Persephone is an illusory virtual egoic control agent.
KORE VIRGIN MAIDEN FLIPS TO QUEEEN RULER OF THE UNDERWORLD BRIDE OF HADES ABDUCTED MARRIED IMPREG’D AND FLIPPED TO ETERNALISM BY HER HIGHER REAL KING RULER
PARTNER
HIGHER CONTROL-THOUGHT INSERTER
THEY HVAE BEEN FLIPPED, INITIATION — INITIATED-AWAY CHILDHOOD POSSIBILISM-THINKING TO COME UP TO
THIS LEVEL ABOVE SATURN THE GATEKEEPER
NO POSSIBILISM THINKING IS TAKEN SERIOUSLY UP AT THIS Heimarmene LEVEL
TO VOYAGE HIGH IS TO HAVE THE YOUTH FALL FROM THE FLYING TOO HIGH RAM SACRIFICED ON ROCK HOW THE F DOES THAT ONE GO THE 1ST HIT AUTOTEXT ANY GOOD??:
The Golden Fleece – 50 Pages of Interrupted Stories within Stories for a 5-line Search Hit Paragraph
TO VOYAGE HIGH IS TO HAVE THE YOUTH FALL FROM THE FLYING TOO HIGH RAM SACRIFICED ON ROCK HOW THE F DOES THAT ONE GO THE 1ST HIT AUTOTEXT ANY GOOD??:
“In Greek Mythology,
STORY BEGINS
THE GOLDEN FLEECE
was the fleece of a winged golden ram from Colchis. It was
a holy ram
of ZEUS
The Origin of the Golden Fleece.
“Athamas, the {KING} of Thessaly {MARRIED} …
RANDOM PROBABLY WRONG AND IRRELEVENT COMMENTARY SKIP:
MYTHIC BORING STORYTIME NOTE: ATHAMAS = KING. SO STOP FORGETTING THE SOAP DETAILS KING ATHAMAS.
WHICH MORTAL VIRGIN MAIDEN HUSK DID THE IMMORTAL GRAIN GOD PARTNER FORCIBLY ABDUCT AND MARRY THIS TIME?
{MARRIED
(ABDUCTED, NO DOUBT, THAT’S KINDA A GIVEN AMONG GODS & MORTALS,, THE GOD ABDUCTS AND MARRIES MORTAL VIRGIN SACRIFICING THE MAIDEN CONVERTING HER A CHANGED NOW HAS A CONSCIOUS PARTNER THE MOON REFLECTING THE LIGHT IMAGE PROJTECED BY THE ONE) IF MCFAKEA (“NO MSH IN Christianity “) REJECTS GNOSTICISM FOR ITS ANTI-COSMIC VALUES HE HAS SHIT JUDGMENT ON – HE SAID IN HIS GNOST VID I WOULDNA TRUSTEM TO FEED MY DAM DOG
IF MCFAEKA HATES GNOSTICISM I’M ALL IV IT
… CONTINUING THE MYTHIC TALE OF POSSIBILISM VS ETERNALISM AS ALWAYS NEVERENDING TALE CARVED IN ROCK IMAGES OF SERPENTS CARVED INTO ROCK ALTAR OF SACRIFICE OF THE CHILDTHINKING THAT’S THE PRICE OF ENTRY TO THIS LEVEL OF THE IMMORTALS HAVEING BEEN MADE TO FLIP AWAY THE HUSK PERSEPHONE KORE IS THE HUSK MAIDEN VIRTIN NOT-YET-FLIPPED KKORE VIRGIN NOW SHE IS PERSEOPONE WHO WHACKS EARNS OF CORN THWAKE THWAKKING THE GRAIN FROM THE HUSK AND WINNOWING AWAY YOUR CHILDHOOD LOSS OF CONTROL PROJECTED IMAGE WITH NO POWER FKE-AUATONOMOUS EGOIC CONTROL AGENT AS IF STEERING IN A TREE BUT FLIPPED AWAY IN WINNOWING BASKET AS CHILDHOOD HUSK NOW BEARD WISDOM GNOSIS HAVE BEEN ETERNALISMIZED
I’VE BEEN
ETERNALISMIZED
GIVE SATURN HIS DUE PAYMENT BEEN PULLED UP TO THE HEAVEN LEAVEL OF THE GODS DIR RULED BY AWARENESS OF THE GODS REVEALED TO THE ELCECT TO THE LIGHT THOSE ELECT OF LIFH LIGHT ELECTION LIGHT TORCH FIRE LIGHT ILLUSMINATINO TORCH SHOWEING THE HIDDEN WORKINGS OF THE AECA AUTONOMOUS EGOIC CONTROL AGENT [AECA]
LIEFT THE HOOD LID SEE THE SNAKE THE ___ SNAKE
THE CHILD THINKING WAS SACRIFICED SLIVED AWAY BY SATURN SCHTYH DAMMIT GIVE HIM DUE … CREDIT, DON’T JUST FIXATE OF THOSE BIG BAD FIXED STARS SATURN IS THE BADAZZ GATEKEEPER NO CHILDREN ALLOWED YET YOU VIRGIN ARE FORCED BY BLOCK UNIVERSE KING RULER SNAKE GOD CARVED IN ROCK THE VIRGIN IS MADE TO ROCK AWAY HER HUSK AND WINNOW SHAKE IN AIR WINNOER PERSEPHONE THE QUEEN OF THE UNDERWORLD WINNOWER OF SPIRITS VS MERE SOULS LOSE CHILD SOUL ON WAY UP TO THIS LEVEL OF SPIIRIT. ITS MATH MYTHEMEES
MY SOLUTION: COMBINE BUT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN SATURN IS EFFECTIVELY THE GATEKEEPER COMPONENT OF THE HEIMARMENE FIXED STARS – THEY ARE FUNCTIONALLY LINKED, SATURN HARVESTER OF RIPE CHILDTHINKING NOT YET FLIPPED TO ITS ADULT, ETERNALISM, SPIRIT PNEUMATICS
BEEN PULLLEDD OUT FROM POSSIBILISMLAND THE UNDERWORLD, BY THE GOD’S INITIATIVE,
FISHED OUT FROM THE LOWER LEVEL OF PROJECTED IMAGES, CHILDHOOOD EGOIC CONTROL THINKIG IN POSSIBILISM-BRANCHING WORLD
CHILDHOOD HUCKE HUSKED AWAY BY PERSEPHONE THE WINNOWING BASKET ON THE WAY UP HER TO THIS HEIMARMENE (AND BEYHOND TO THE EMPERIUM DWELLING PLACE OF GOD AND OF ALL THE ELECT). SCYTHE OF SATURN NEEDS ATTENTION GETS NO RESPECT F THOSE ROMAN GODS ANYWAY, I SAY, CHRONUS I SAY THE GOD CHRONOS TAKES THE CHILD THINKING WAY AT THE GREAT GATE WAY DOOR WAY COST OF FORCED ENTRY YOU ARE MADE TO SACRIFICED THE CHILDMODE THINKING OF — MATCH THIS PAIR:
ETERNALISM-THINKING = TRANSCENDENT THINKING
POSSIBILISM-THINKING = EGOIC THINKING
__________________
TRANSCENDENT THINKING = ETERNALISM-THINKING
EGOIC THINKING = POSSIBILISM-THINKING
EGOIC CONTROL THINKING
STORY CONTINUES~~
} a {cloud goddess} called Nephele. They had {two children},
a {boy} named Phrixus and < SURVIVES FLIGHT
a {girl} named Helle.” < DIES FALLS TO THE LOWER POSSIBILISM LEVEL OF SHADES PROJECTED IMAGES NTO TH E NOT THE TRUE KING RULER PUPPETMASTER THOUGHT INJECTOR ALL ALONG THE
ANOTHER INTERRUPTION: IGNORE:
THE THOUGHT-INJECTOR WORLDLINE RAIL – COMBINES
THE TWO DISTINCT OVERPOWERINGS THAT COLLAPSE POSSIBILISM-THINKING INTO ETERNALISM-THINKING
ON THE WAY UP
THE HUSK WINNOWED AWAY BY SATURN
SCHTHE SEPARATE BOYTS FROM POSSIBILISM YOUTHS FROM ETERNALISM GOD-CONFORMANT THEIR VIRGINITY OF FLIPPING TRANSFORMATION FROM POSSIBILISM TO ETERNALISM WAS TAKEN BY THE GOD REAVELING THE COVERED SNAKE INSIDE THE MIND — THE
THE THOUGHT-INJECTOR WORLDLINE RAIL
I DECLARE THAT OBV SATURN WE ALWAYS IGNORE HIM I AGREE F HIM GO W/ MY VER
THE GOD CHRONOS LIFTS UP SPIRITS FROM THE ELECT WHO ARE FISHED OUT FROM THE UNDERWATER LEVEL OF POSSIBILISM-THINKING TO [THE ABOVE LEVEL NTO THE NOT THE BELOW LEVEL} U C, THERE
THERE’S 2 LVLS:
THERE’S THE UPPER LEVEL. ETERNALISM.
THERE’S THE LOWER LEVEL. POSSIBILISM.
WHEN A MIND OF THE PNEUMATIC ELECT
ELECT-PNEUMATICS RESCUED RANSOMED REDEEMED.(?) TECHNICAL DIFFERENCE THO…. ONE TERM = POSSIBILISM-THINKING ONE IS LOWER ONE IS HIGHER. SOME TECH OVERHEAD TO CONTRAST DIFFERENT TECH TERMS USE D… AFTER ALL, ‘ETERNALISM’ AND ‘POSSIBILISM’ are already too tech terms. possibility possibility-branching possibility-branching
possibility-branching possibility-branching
possibility-branching transcendent thinking Transcendent Knowledge uncontrollable source of control-thoughts eternalism-thinking possibilism-thinking Transcendent Knowledge Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence Mytheme theory Cybernetic theory Egodeath Concepts Collection Egodeath Concepts Collection
THE THOUGHT-INJECTOR WORLDLINE SACRIFICES THE MAIDEN VIRGIN WHO HAD ENVER YET BEEN DIED BEEN TRANSFORMED FROM TEMP MORTAL HUSK CHILD FORM, PSMT-THINI POSSIBILISM-THINKING , TO
WINNOW WINNOWING BASKET GRAIN FROM CHAFF STRAW PERISHABLE CONTENGIENT LIKE STAY VIRGIN ONE’S WHOLE LIFE NEVER BEEN FLIPPED FROM
[FREEWILL POSSIBILISM-BASED SOUL THINKING TO
NO-FREE-WILL ETERNALISM-BASED SPIRIT THINKING
FINALLY THE STORY CONTINUES
“… Athamas to sacrifice Phrixus in order [SOAPY DETS: KING ATHAMAS SACRIFICE CHILD YOUTH,
ZEUS RAM TO RESCUE YOUTH BUT DITCH MAIDEN
10:49PM IF I DIDN’T POST A TON ON THIS KINDA OBV DECOING:
BOY = DEMETER = ADULTHOOD GODDESS-AWARE/ GODDESS HONORING
AN ENTIRE HIGH CULTURE CARVED IN ROCK IMAGES OF SERPENTS MUSHROOM ROCK IN CHRONOS-GUARDD GATEKEEPER WINNOWER PERSEPHONE IS SATURN WITH SCYTH
SATURN IS THE THRESHER AND WINNOWER
ON YOUR BEING PULLED UP TO THIS LEVEL BY THE GODS, THE MIND’S CHILD-MODE WAS SACRIFICED
CHRISTS HOLY SPIRIT INITIATE CHOSE TO RAPT THE VIRGIN MAIDEN FOLLLOWER OF THE WY INTO HEAVEN WHICH WAY THE SACRIFICE SLICE APRERT SEPARATE THE HULL FROM THE GRAIN THRESHER AND WINNOWER OF SOULS, THE GOD CHRONOS WHILE THE GODS PULL UP MORTALS TO TIHIS LEVEL THUS KILLING THEIR MORTALITY, THEY / IN UNDERWORLD CHRONUS IS THE WINNOWER AND THRESHER SEPARATING GRAIN FROM HUSK AND WHEAT FROM CHAFF
ETERNALISM-THINKING
GIRL = MAIDEN = POSSIBILISM
to bring an end to the drought.
Before the sacrifice occurred,
Nephele [SOME MYTHIC SOAP STAR STORYTIME NARRATIVE WHATS POINT? ZZZ {cloud goddess}] appeared to Phrixus, bringing
a golden-fleeced ram to rescue him and his sister.
Phrixus and Helle managed to escape on the ram and flew over the sea, but when Helle looked down, she lost her balance and fell off the ram. She drowned near the strait separating Europe from Asia, which became known as Hellespont (sea of Helle). Luckily, Phrixus made it all the way to Colchis on the Black Sea and was welcomed into the house of Aeetes on his arrival. Phrixus sacrificed the ram and its Golden Fleece was hung in the grove of Ares, where it was guarded by a sleepless dragon.
TAKE 2: https://mythology.net/greek/greek-concepts/golden-fleece
The Origin of the Golden Fleece
Athamas, the King of Thessaly married a cloud goddess called Nephele. (cloud goddess) They had two children, a boy named Phrixus and a girl named Helle. Athamas later fell in love with another woman, Ino, and took her as his second wife. Nephele cloud goddess was angered by her husband’s actions and left him, bringing drought to the land.
The King’s new wife, Ino, became jealous of Nephele’s (cloud goddess) children and wanted them dead. She (NEW WIFE INO) convinced Athamas to sacrifice Phrixus in order to bring an end to the drought.
Before the sacrifice occurred, Nephele (cloud goddess) appeared to Phrixus (BOY/YOUTH… NO… THE GOD PORTION; SIS = MAIDEN POSSIBILISM-THINKING , BRO = GODBOY ( ETERNALISM-THINKING ), (CLOUD GODDESS RESCUE FROM SACRIFICE BY THE KING TO END DROUT) bringing a golden-fleeced ram ({FLYING RAM}wtf) to rescue him and his sister.
IS THIS ISAACS RAM COUSIN
Phrixus (IMMORTAL GODBOY ETERNALISM ) and Helle (MORTAL MAIDEN VIRGIN POSSIBILISM THINKING OF CHILDREN BUT NOT GODBOYS)
managed to escape on the ram and flew over the sea,[OF IMAGE PROJECTION SEPARATION OF LAYERS – THE “HIGHER VS LOWER” THEME, “LEVELS” — THE MORTAL LEEL, LEVEL , LIVING UP ON ETERNALISM LEVEL ARE YOU EXPERIENCED, OR A VIRGIN PHOSE WHOSE NEVER BEEN PSY BEEN PSYCHEDELICIZED ETER MUSHROOM ETERNALISM SPIRIT DOORWAY THE FLESH CUP BLOOD OF HOLY SPIRIT RAM CARRIES – the male control-thought inserter abducts teh maiden away. LIFTS YOU UP (ROLL SACRIFICE MUSIC) LIFT UP = SACRIFICE GIRL POSSIBILISM-THINKING OF THE RESISTING MAIDEN WHO HAS NOT KNOWN GOD CONTROL-THOUGHT INSERTER HIDDEN COVERD IN HER MIND
but when Helle looked down, she lost her balance
[MSH-CYBERNETIC SEIZURE TRANSFORMATION-AWAY OF EGOIC ILLUSION AUTONOMOUS EGOIC CONTROL AGENT OPERATING IN — FUSE THESE TWO — OPERATING IN A BRANCHING WORLD; AUTONOMOUS EGOIC CONTROL AGENT WITH STEERING WITH POWER AMONG BRANCHING POSSIBILIITY OPERATING WITHIN A BRANCHING- POSSIBILITIES tree
AUTONOMOUS EGOIC CONTROL AGENT
autonomous egoic control agent operating in a branching-possibility tree
AUTONOMOUS EGOIC CONTROL AGENT operating (controlling) in a branching-possibility tree
{king} {steering} {tree}
OPERATING
, EGOIC CONTROL AGENT ]
and fell off the ram.
She drowned near the strait separating Europe from Asia, which became known as Hellespont (sea of Helle). Luckily,
Phrixus made it all the way to Colchis on the Black Sea and was welcomed into the house of Aeetes on his arrival.
Phrixus sacrificed the ram (from cloud goddess Nephele a ram “of Zeus” but wife cloud godess dispatched it, how does this work ) and its Golden Fleece was hung in the grove of Ares, (garden of the Hesperides?) where it was guarded by a sleepless dragon.
diversion:
https://greek-myth.fandom.com/wiki/Garden_of_the_Hesperides
“Its Hera’s personal domain. Its her orchard.” —Homer. The Garden of the Hesperides, also known as Domain of the Hesperides and Hera’s Orchard is a world featured in Greek Mythology. It first appears in around 700 BCE and ends around 9th Century. The Garden of the Hesperides is based on the location of the same name from Greek Mythology.
Hera’s Orchad; [sic; Hera’s fury = typos] (:”also” known as the “Garden of the Hesperides”:) is Hera’s orchard in the west, where either a single apple tree or a grove grows, producing golden apples that grant immortality when eaten.
The trees were planted from the fruited branches
mytheme decoded [7:54 a.m. December 9, 2020]:
a removed branch that has fruit: debranch = gnosis; harvest to get the better. John must decline so Jesus can rise.
John the Baptist the child must be sacrificed (possibilism-thinking), so that
Jesus Christ the adult may rise (eternalism-thinking).
to go up, you must bow down
To rise to ETERNALISM,
you must put down POSSIBILISM.
To gain eternalism, you must sacrifice possibilism.
To get to Eternalismland, you must leave Possibilismland.
to eternalism, leave psm
to 👍 eternalism, 👎 possibilism — Persephone-Saturn, the winnow/thresh/scythe function. to pull-out the grain, you must remove the husk
diversion: husk: = outer casing, shell, container of the fruit, of the payload. dlivery shell of the payload. the dry outer covering of some fruits or seeds. shell · hull · case · casing · covering · rind · chaff
to eat the orange flesh, you must get rid of the rind. Saturn-Persephone is the Great Orange Peeler, the Winnow-Thresh-Scythe function, the egoic-thinking Filter, you must BURN OFF, PEEL AWAY, FLAIL THRESH WHACK STRIP CUT OFF THE EGOIC THINKING TO THE FIRST PART CUT OFF THE FORE PART TO GET THE REMAINDER RIGHT WITH GOD-MODE THINKING, SACRIFICE TO HONOR THE GODS, SACRIFICE YOUR INITIAL-THINKING. TO BE STABLY IN GOD-MODE THINKING, MUST REJECT PREMISE OF EGOIC-MODE THINKING: A E [ACRO]/KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS A E SPELL IT OUT BGY BY HAND
AUTONOMOUS EGOIC CONTROL AGENT [AECA] +
OPERATING IN A BRANCHING-POSSIBILITIES TREE [OBPT] = SHORTENED ACRO FOR AUTONOMOUS / EGOIC / BRANCHING /TREE [AE-BT] <– NEW NOTATION FOR SOOPERLONG EXPANSION ABBR COMPOOUND ACRO/ COMPOUND [ACRO]/KEYBOARD SHORTCUT: AE-BT TEST:
AE….- BT… WILL EXPAND TO
AECA + OBPT
AUTONOMOUS EGOIC CONTROL AGENT +
OPERATING IN A BRANCHING-POSSIBILITY TREE =
AE-BT –>
AUTONOMOUS EGOIC CONTROL AGENT OPERATING IN A BRANCHING-POSSIBILITY TREE
AUTONOMOUS EGOIC CONTROL AGENT OPERATING IN A BRANCHING-POSSIBILITY TREE AEBT AUTONOMOUS EGOIC CONTROL AGENT OPERATING IN A BRANCHING-POSSIBILITY TREE
HAVE TO *COMBINE* — YOU NOT ONLY SACRIFICE EGO AGENT; YOU *ALSO* SACRIFICE THE WORLD! THE POSSIBILITY-BRANCHING WORLD MODEL. IT IS AN ENTIRE WORLDMODEL CONSISTING…. YOU SWITCH FROM AGENT A IN WORLD A TO AGENT B IN WOLRD B
LOWER/FIRST AGENT IN LOWER/FIRST WORLD –>
HIGHER/SECOND AGENT IN HIGHER/SECOND WORLD
THROUGH THE FLESH OF CHRIST HOLY FOOD
Flesh of Christ, Holy Food, Living Bread, Native Christmas Shamans, Secret Amanita Cult, Hellenistic Mystery Religions
from w-s’s message wording she found:
https://cyberdisciple.wordpress.com/2020/11/18/recent-articles-on-criteria-proof-of-mushrooms-in-christian-art-branching-mushrooms-confirmation-and-reproducibility-canterbury-psalter/#comment-2400
the new podcast … your comments about Christian ‘contemplation.’
“words from John of the Cross on ‘contemplation’ as follows and they ooze with mushroom wine:
“Contemplation is nothing else but a secret, peaceful, and loving infusion of God, which if admitted, will set the soul on fire, with the Spirit of love.”
“The eternal tide flows hid in Living Bread.”< ?? wtf is “LIVING BREAD” ??? 🤔
“That with its Heavenly Life to be fed.”
“Faith is a dark night for man, but in this very way it gives him light.”
???? wtf is “LIVING BREAD” ??? 🤔
the “secret Amanita cult” theory explains “Living Bread”🍞def Wonder Bread for sure,
its those Native Christmas Shamans at it again, in every last one of the Hellenistic Secret Mystery Cults
🎄🍄🦌🦌🦌🦌🛷🎅🎁
At the climax of the Greater Mysteries of Eleusis, the Hierophant with a grand flourish lifts the lid on the basket to reveal by torch light the greatest mystery of the mind in The Upper Level of the High Culture Mythological state of experiencing:
“ITS A AMANITA!!!! OMFG!!”
😱😱😱–>🍄🐍!!!<– 🤯🤯🤯
AND EVERYONE GASPS TREMBLING IN ASTONISHMENT AS THE ULTIMATE SECRET OF THE HIGH HUMAN MENTAL MIND IS REVEALED:
THE SECRET HIDDEN SECRET OF HIGH SECRET GNOSIS IS:
😱🤯 GNOSIS = ITS A 🍄!!! 😱🤯
SEE RUCK FOR DETAIL
______
“that Gaia gave to Hera as a wedding gift when Hera accepted Zeus. The Hesperides were given the task of tending to the grove, but occasionally picked apples from it themselves. Not trusting them, Hera also placed in the garden a never-sleeping, hundred-headed dragon named Ladon as an additional safeguard. In the myth of the Judgement of Paris, it was from the Garden that Eris, Goddess of Discord, obtained the Apple of Discord, which led to the Trojan War.
______ diversion:
PAGE ABOUT ARES’ ESTATE
https://www.theoi.com/Olympios/AresTreasures.html
ARES was the Olympian god of war, battlelust and manliness.
This page describes the god’s divine attributes, estate and sacred animals. His standard attributes were a crested helm and war-spear. He was sometimes depicted holding a snake [right?] or with a serpent emblazoned on his shield.
(1) ESTATE & ATTRIBUTES
CHARIOT Ares drove a golden-reined chariot drawn by four fire-breathing horses.
SPEAR Ares brandished a bronze-(tipped spear) in battle.
ARMOUR Ares wore golden armour (helm, cuirass, war-belt, shield and greaves) which shone with a burning light.
PALACE The palace of Ares stood either upon Mount Olympos (along with the other mansions of the gods) or upon Mount Haimos in Thrake. His Thrakian palace was an iron fortress adorned with war-booty and guarded by various divine sentries.
SHRINE-GUARDIANS Several of the mythical shrines of Ares were endowed with monstrous guardians: – the Sacred Groves of Ares at Thebes and Kholkis each had a guardian Drakon; and the Sacred Amazon Island of Ares had arrow-shooting birds.
SPARTI EARTH-BORN WARRIORS The Spartoi were
armed warriors which sprang fully-grown from the earth, when the teeth of Ares’ Guardian Drakones (flying serpents) were sown in a field sacred to the god.
diversion:
THE DRAKONES OF MEDEA were a pair of serpents which drew the flying chariot of the witch Medea.
She summoned them to carry her away from Korinthos (Corinth) following the murder of King Kreon (Creon), his daughter Glauke (Glauce) and her children by Iason (Jason).
high up carrying-serpents, flying drakones carry witch chariot
autonomous egoic control agent operating in a branching-possibility tree [aebt]
(2) SACRED PLANTS & ANIMALS
EAGLE-OWL & BARN OWL Two species of owl, were regarded as sacred to the god Ares. They were birds of ill-omen, presaging war and sedition.
SNAKE POISONOUS The poisonous serpent was sacred to the god Ares. Several of his groves are described in myth guarded by these beasts, and in sculpture and art he often bears a serpent or serpent device.
grove of trees has fruit, guarded by serpent dragons monsters.
gnosis fruit brought by the worldline spirit gnosis is guarded by scythe worldline spear divider between mortal virgin maidens vs.
VULTURE The vulture was a bird of ill omen. Because it haunted the battlefield feeding upon the bodies of the dead, it was closely associated with the war-god Ares.
WOODPECKER The woodpecker was a bird of good fortune believed to be sacred to the god Ares.
https://www.theoi.com/Olympios/AresTreasures.html
Notation for Defining a Compound Keyboard Shortcut:
[abcd], [efgh], [ac-eg]
Notation for Defining a Compound Keyboard Shortcut, Because Not Just Sacrifice {Ego}; Sacrifice {Ego in Tree-World}, so Need Compound Pair of Kept-Distinct Phrases, Using Dash: [aa], [bb], [aa-bb]
The resulting set of standardized fairly easily typeable shortcuts:
Notation for defining the set [acro]/keyboard shortcuts including an abbr’d compound shortcut indicated by a dash:
autonomous personal control agency [apca]
operating in a branching-possibilities world [obpw]
autonomous personal control agency, operating in a branching-possibility world [aa-bw]
Notation for result/demo:
apca->autonomous personal control agency
obpw->operating in a branching-possibilities world
aa-bw->autonomous personal control agency, operating in a branching-possibility world
Demo:
autonomous personal control agency
operating in a branching-possibilities world
autonomous personal control agency, operating in a branching-possibility world
More Verbose Summary of the Above Outcome
1. Define the first phrase:
autonomous personal control agency [apca] [aa]<-rejected addl shortcut, bc it messed up typing the abbr’d compound shortcut “aa-bw”, else would be nice shortened abbr.
2. Define the second phrase:
operating in a branching-possibilities world [obpw] [bw]<-rejected 2nd ver.
3. Define the compound phrase:
autonomous personal control agency, operating in a branching-possibilities world [aa-bw]
a possible conceptual notation: [[aa]-[bw]]<-rejected
4. Test:
apca-> autonomous personal control agency
obpw-> operating in a branching-possibilities world
aa-bw-> autonomous personal control agency, operating in a branching-possibility world
Success; now have a set of fairly easily typeable shortcuts.
Keyboard Shortcuts Tests/ R&D
define compound keyboard shortcut expansion: kse
keyboard shortcut expansion [kse]
test: keyboard shortcuts keyboard shortcut expansion keyboard shortcut expansion
test: [acro]/keyboard shortcuts [acro]/keyboard shortcuts
teesst: keyboard shortcuts keyboard shortcuts
test: keyboard shortcut expansion keyboard shortcut expansion
autonomous personal control agency, operating in a branching-possibility world [aa-bw]
[acro]/keyboard shortcut test: of a compound keyboard shortcut:
autonomous personal control agency, operating in a branching-possibility world
a compund of i have not yet defined the component expansion-phrasaes of the coumpound expansion:
apca i defined ‘veca’ virtual egoic control agent
need:
autonomous personal control agency [apca]
operating in a branching-possibilities world [obpw]
test:
autonomous personal control agency
operating in a branching-possibilities world
autonomous personal control agency, operating in a branching-possibility world
{{personal egoic control agent} {operating in a branching-possibilities world}}
pa-bw elevated awareness- fail
High Culture Was Strikingly Fluent in Mythology Analogies for Initiation
Routinized Use of Mushroom Mixed-Wine to Flip the Mind’s Personal Control System from Possibilism to Eternalism — Impressive Evidence of Routinized Mushroom Initiation, Highly Articulated in Mythic Analogies, Observable through Mythemese Fluency
Midnight at the start of December 7, 2020, I received a vision from the heavens, which puts me on more solid ground than these mundane, uninspired, ineffective researchers.
The fervency of mythology, the highly fluent analogies fairly consistently throughout history before the Late Modern era, evidences an impressive degree of widespread familiarity with transformation from possibilism to eternalism.
Flipping the mind’s personal control system was completely routinized, as routine as adolescents’ initiation, condensed to most-efficient formulas, a system of mathematics, an optimized widespread Technology of Analogy for mixed-wine Mystery Initiation.
If you had a beard, you were expected to be conversant and fluent in Mythemese discussion of entheogens transforming from possibilism to eternalism.
To rise up to the spheres of Saturn and the fixed stars, it was commonly, routinely, widely understood that you’d have to sacrifice childhood-thinking, upon reaching that level; it just happened automatically, in that culture.
Everyone just knew — that’s the report I received, given how very standardized it was understood, that the mind responds like a female, like a virgin maiden.
Everything about this situation, evidences a thoroughly mixed-wine based culture as the norm — as the very standard of reference for what it means to be adult and cultured.
Flipping the mind’s personal control system from possibilism to eternalism was utterly routined and well-understood, experientially and as described through analogy, in the language I deciphered, that everyone used to know — not Greek, not Latin, but Mythemese.
The only way this could be the case is per the maximal entheogen theory of religion & culture.
I’m impressed with how highly fitting the analogies are, why the tradition is so strong and consistent and universal, that the mind acts like a female.
This is strong evidence, it struck me, that indeed all of the banqueting and mixed wine throughout Antiquity is entheogenic, across all of the Mystery Religions and related drinking parties.
The Ancients talked about entheogens constantly, with great enthusiasm for descriptive analogies, speaking the language of Mythemese.
For those on the inside, who have the technical equipment that’s required to tune into the evidence, there is a buzzing, popular, loud chorus of discussion of all kinds of rich analogies.
“The mind on entheogens is like a woman in these 10 ways,
is like a sacrifice,
is like a river in these 3 ways,
is like a resisting virgin overtaken and then submitting,
is like a death of the first child of two — or, of your only son,
is like an evil king who sends the hero to bring back a prize,”
The right kind of evidence, found in Mythemeland and its imagistic literature, opens up into an astonishing wonderland — for those who know how to operate the telescope, how to speak the language.
I was awestruck by the profundity of the received High Culture, the lofty mastery of the high culture of Great Mythology.
Our forebears, Greek and Roman and Christian culture around mixed-wine, describe fluently the entheogenic transformation from possibilism to eternalism, with an ease that comes from intimate mastery.
I got the full impact of High Culture of routine, masterful analogies for transformation from possibilism to eternalism.
Awakened, not drunken and asleep like the bad academics, but sober in the Chris Bennett frame of mind, flights of ideation.
In my zeal for decoding {maiden}, I had overlooked the whole area of {virgin} — the mind which has not yet been transformed from possibilism to eternalism.
I immediately hastened to update my Key Mythemes list to reflect the Muses’ input on some 30 mythemes, including an embarrassing number of very basic fundamental mythemes that I had not decoded or listed.
So routine, the Ancients’ facility with description of mixed wine routinely flipping the mind from possibilism to eternalism!
The Ancients, into the Early Modern era, had such ease with advanced and sophisticated mastery of analogies describing the mental dynamics of the common, well-familiar flip from possibilism to eternalism.
Such intimate and widespread, standardized familiarity with the {female} mind; the personal control system’s reaction to discovering and perceiving the frozen worldline with control-thought inserter all along it.
So familiar the Ancients manifestly are, with frenzy mania resistance and then compliance and then harmony, and so-apt intimate analogies.
_____
I just had to fumble and struggle with 2 diverging copies of my idea development pages, I hit an idea-capturing productivity brick wall there, going from 100 to 0 mph instantly.
I will never again let the issue of where I happen to be currently typing, let me miss a beat — I will run with it, doing the idea development wherever I happen to be writing in; which WordPress page.
In any case, after the dust settled, my Key Mythemes list is so much more adequate, without some embarrassing most-major gaps that it had — and that’s helped to keep my Core Concepts outline in check:
I was pleased to work on a difficult hypothesis today, that:
Hypothesis:
There are two distinct senses in which personal control is removed:
1) because of the frozen worldline of control-thoughts.
2) because of the uncontrollable control-thought inserter/injector.
— and then I was impressed (and relieved) by my dauntingly complete 1997 Core Concepts theory-spec writeup (non-mythic), in which I intelligently and elegantly paired those two distinct ideas:
“The Pre-set Stream of Injected Thoughts, Puppethood, and the Inability to Control Future Actions”
http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Annotations/PHILOSI.0.html#The%20Pre-set%20Stream%20of%20Injected%20Thoughts,%20Puppethood,%20and%20the%20Inability%20to%20Control%20Future%20Actions
My Hypothesis above, and the 2 reasons supporting it, exactly fit on all 3 points/phrases, matching my section heading from the 1997 theory-spec:
“There are two distinct senses in which personal control is removed:” = “Puppethood, and the Inability to Control Future Actions”
“1) because of the frozen worldline of control-thoughts.” = “The Pre-set Stream“
“2) because of the uncontrollable control-thought inserter/injector. = “of Injected Thoughts“
That 1997 Core-theory spec, really can’t be beat. I wrote “Injected Thoughts” in 1997!
So my accusation that I failed to decode {virgin} until yesterday, December 7, 2020, can only go so far — my Core theory in 1997 summarized the needed elements, to map “virgin maiden” to the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence.
So, I got the answer to my recent question:
Have my mytheme decodings made me go back and revise and improve the 1988-1997 Core theory, the Cybernetic theory?
Did my mytheme revelations expose room for improvement in my Core theory?
Answer: No, the 1997 outline/summary seems astute; that theory-spec did a good job of covering the bases and articulating, in summary, the key, peak, crucial ideas.
There is always room for more connections, within a new explanatory framework.
The New Theory is like an empty skeleton with only some parts fleshed-in, but a good New Theory is notable for the rapidity of filling-in the framework, putting {flesh} and {clothing} onto the {naked}, {exposed}, underlying {skeleton}, the new explanatory framework explaining how the field works and what to look for, AND HOW TO LOOK for supporting or disconfirming evidence.
To those with no radio receiver, there is no evidence for radio signals and messages carried by them.
To those who are mytheme-illiterate, the world is one giant category-error and there is no evidence for entheogens in high culture. For those who speak Mythemese, it is impressive, the messages and analogies that were dominant and universal, showing a firmly mushroom-transformed, lofty-as-highest-heaven, High Culture of Mythology.
— Cybermonk
Key Mythemes catalog & Core Concepts catalog Major Improvement
[dec 9 2020 – finished good Nav improvements on the 3 catalog pages (Key Mythemes, Core Concepts, Theory-Concepts.
In each entry in Key Mythemes, I added a link back up to its category, where all of the mytheme-links for that category are listed.]
In my Core Concepts page, I grouped my “optimized concept-labels” sections.
The Key Mythemes page/catalog has empty slots, but it contains all the explanations somewhere in the page.
Content-wise, the Key Mythemes catalog is done; completed, finished.
Did mytheme-decoding modify the 1988-based Core Concepts, of the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence?
Ans: NO; In my 1997 theory-spec outline, one of the 9 principles-titles nailed it, word for word!:
though I used the word ‘stream’ instead of ‘worldline’ — I used a borderline-mytheme, {stream}.
The water nymphs are nearby, attracting and seducing to take a stolen look at Diana’s bathing, invoking her fury.
1997 theory-spec heading:
The Pre-set Stream of Injected Thoughts
Does the Cybernetic theory differentiate or discuss distinctly, the two distinct aspects of “the uncontrollable source of control-thoughts”:
- The worldline of control-thoughts.
- Concept-entry: “worldline of control-thoughts” – exists: https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/17/glossary-for-the-egodeath-theory/#the-worldline-of-control-thoughts
- The control-thought inserter, spread out at each point along the worldline.
- Concept-entry “control-thought inserter” – exists:
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/17/glossary-for-the-egodeath-theory/#control-thought-injector
- Concept-entry “control-thought inserter” – exists:
The Personal Control System Is Penetrated in Two Distinct Ways in Conjunction:
By the veiled control-thought injector;
By the worldline of control-thoughts
My Key Mythemes catalog now distinguishes between two distinct aspects of “the uncontrollable source of control-thoughts”:
- The worldline of control-thoughts.
- The control-thought inserter, spread out at each point along the worldline.
the uncontrollable source of control-thoughts =
the pre-existing worldline of control-thoughts +
the control-thought inserter
the uncontrollable source of control-thoughts
is abiguous, overloaded, has 2 distinct senses technically:
the pre-existing worldline of control-thoughts
the control-thought inserter
it is overloaded to say as if it has only 1 sense, “the uncontrollable source of control-thoughts” — which one am I supposed to picture?
- the worldline of control-thoughts
- the veiled control-thought injector
- the worldline of control-thoughts
- the veiled control-thought injector [vcti]
the worldline of control-thoughts = {??}
the veiled control-thought injector = {??}
Ans:
the worldline of control-thoughts = {stake, crossbeam, spear shaft, snake, serpent, worm, river, ivy, vine, serpent tail, spear shaft, river, snake, stake, crossbeam}
Done:
- Make sure there’s a Core Concepts entry [cce] for the worldline of control-thoughts – done, already exists.
- Add the above mythemes list to that Core Concepts entry. done
- Make sure there’s a Key Mythemes entry for each of these mythemes:
paste into it:
The worldline of control-thoughts.- {crossbeam} exists. pasted.
- {ivy} exists, pasted.
- {river} added section & link. pasted definition. Broke apart “worldline” vs. “block universe” sections.
- {serpent} exists, pasted.
- {serpent tail} added as variant in serpent.
- {snake} exists, cleaned up, added.
- {spear shaft} added section & link. pasted definition.
- {stake} added section & link. pasted definition.
- {vine} added section & link. pasted definition.
- {worm} added section & link. pasted definition.
- In the grouped links at top of the Key Mythemes catalog, create 2 distinct categories of Key Mythemes entries:
- the worldline of control-thoughts (done; recently broke block universe vs worldline sections apart).
- the veiled control-thought injector, {phallus} – created topmost link, link-section head.
the Core Concepts catalog [ccc]
the Key Mythemes catalog [kmc]
the veiled control-thought injector = {phallus, herme, wellspring, wellspring in rock cave, message from gods/angel, spear tip, phallus, wellspring, knife, short sword}
Done:
- Make sure there’s a Core Concepts entry [cce] for
the veiled control-thought injector
Definition:
The veiled control-thought injector.
The veiled control-thought injector together with the worldline form the normally hidden, uncontrollable source of control-thoughts.
— done, created Core Concepts entry “control-thought injector”, with synonyms in the entry. - Add the following mythemes list to it. done.
- Make sure there’s a Key Mythemes entry [kme] for each mytheme listed here:
- {herme} Add link: done. Add entry hd & anchor: done. Add Defin: done.
- {knife} Add link: done. Add entry hd & anchor: done. Add Defin: done.
- {message} Add link: exists. Add entry hd & anchor: exists. Add Defin: done.
- {phallus} Add link: done. Add entry hd & anchor: done. Add Defin: done.
- Move existing links into this new section in toc, and
move existing entries into this new section.- {phallus of god} move link: done. move entry: done. add def: done
- {god-phallus revealed in maiden virgin takes virginity} move link: done. move entry: done. add def: done
- {sword} Add link: done. Add entry hd & anchor: done. Add Defin: done.
- {short sword} Add synomym in {sword} entry: done.
- {spear} Add link: done. Add entry hd & anchor: exists. Add Defin: done.
- {spear tip} Add link: done. Add entry hd & anchor: done. Add Defin: done.
- {wellspring} Add link: done. Add entry hd & anchor: done. Add Defin: done.
The Worldline of Control-Thoughts
{spear shaft, river, snake, stake, crossbeam, long sword, ivy, vine}
The Veiled Control-Thought Injector
{spear tip, phallus, wellspring, knife, short sword}
RESOLVED, IN KEY CONCEPTS PAGE.
I find I keep debating between the same two repeating candidates for referents for mythemes, such as penetrated by source of thoughts —
for one thing, worldline is the source of thoughts (serpent),
for another — a distinct angle:
At any point in time, the fountain wellspring phallus … like a worldline of the thought-source injector phallus, a {snake-shaped} timeline series of {phallus}es.
Picture the worldline of a wellspring: the worldline of the thought-injector, the source of thoughts, the worldline of control-thoughts … the worldline of the thought-injector.
the snake-shaped worldline of the veiled phallus-like thought-injector
[compare that phrase that combines/pairs/integrates the two distinct concepts, with my section-heading from the 1997 theory-spec:
The Pre-set Stream of Injected Thoughts, Puppethood, and the Inability to Control Future Actions
Feb 7, 1997: “pre-set stream of injected thoughts“
Dec 7, 2020: “snake-shaped worldline of the thought-injector”
Advantages of my recent lexicon:
o ‘worldline’ is more technically standard and specific than ‘stream’.
o “thought-injector” is more tangible and myth-mappable ({wellspring, phallus}) than “injected thoughts”.
These are quibbles and fine-tunings of phraseology choices, not technical substance that I changed in the Core theory (the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence).
In conclusion, I don’t expect to need change the substance or principles of the Core theory, the Cybernetic theory, except to re-skin it superficially, to “refactor the API layer”, to better enable mapping mythemes to the Core theory;
to better enable mapping
my Key Mythemes catalog entries to
my Core Concepts catalog entries.
Key Mythemes catalog entries [kmce]
Core Concepts catalog entries [ccce]
— December 8, 2020]
the snake worldline of the {phallus} / {wellspring} thought-injeoctor, wellspring inside the rock cave.
The personal control system is doubly pierced/speared by the worldline {snake} of the thought-injector {phallus}.
There are control-thoughts laid out along the pre-existing worldline of control-thoughts. At any point in time, awareness can perceive, the mind can percieve… I don’t wnt to …
Mytheme Theory: State that Definitions Will Not Repeat What’s Alway True of Every Mytheme: This Mytheme Is a Description by Analogy, of Something that Is Observed and Experienced in the Altered State
done: make a note in the “Theory of mythemes” page, link from top of Key Mythemes list.
the note to add:
Whenever discussing mythemes, such as in the “Key Mythemes” catalog entries, it is to be understood that:
- Mythemes are in context of the altered state; loose cognition.
- Mythemes are description by analogy.
- Thus together:
Mythemes are description by analogy, of things that are observed and experienced in the altered state
Thus, how not to write a mytheme decoding:
The mytheme {snake} is a description by analogy, of the worldline of control-thoughts, experienced and perceived in the intense mystic altered state.
How to write a mytheme decoding:
{snake}
The worldline of control-thoughts.
Again, it is to be understood that this definition:
The worldline of control-thoughts.
Means:
The mytheme {snake} is a description by analogy, of the worldline of control-thoughts, experienced and perceived in the intense mystic altered state.
/ end of note to add
mytheme [m’m]
loss of control [loc]
levels of control [lvc]
loose cognition [lcg]
loosecog [lc]
That is, writing:
{snake} = the worldline of control-thoughts
Is an efficient way of communicating:
The mytheme {snake} is a description by analogy, of the worldline of control-thoughts, experienced and perceived in the intense mystic altered state.
Multiple Status Grades: From Candidate, to Initiate, to Completed Mature Initiate
Candidate
Initiate
Beginner Bride: Peak first-times Initiation(s) in the Bridal Chamber, fire every night GRADUALLY burning away mortality/ perishability / chaff
More of a Bride; more conscious & adept at the {phallus} < – no entry??
Newly Completed Initiate
Mature Perfected Completed Mushroom Initiate
The Initiate Is the Virgin Maiden
The Initiate Is Kore the Virgin Maiden
Not yet been abducted and overpowered by the uncontrollable source of control-thoughts, her higher half.
How do we know that the the personal egoic control system or the personal control system is female?
The personal egoic control system is female:
in its action
in its reaction
in its functioning
in what it produces
There is a huge natural match between the dynamics of the seqence of loosecog sessions…
The mind’s personal control system acts the female role classically.
I am now certain, it is obvious, that you are the maiden eating mushrooms in the upper right of the Canterbury “mushroom tree/ hanging/ sword” image with the trained, self-threatening Psalter reader.
I NEED TO KEEP THIS PAGE OPEN FOR EDIT WHEN I’M RECEIVING IDEAS/DECODINGS DOWNLOADING DECODINGS FROM HEAVEN EMPYRIUM – DWELLING PLACE OF GOD AND OF ALL THE ELECT.
[8:15 P.M. DECEMBER 7, 2020] IN A CHRIS BENNETT MYTHOLOGY RESEARCH FLYING EYE FLIGHT OF IDEATION – BIG NEED BIGGER TYPEFACE FOR BIGGER IDEAS: BELOW IS SNAPSHOT OF BIG COMPLETION allcaps i can’t alternatBETWEEN EMPTHA so altereante. SNAPSHOT OF BIG JUMP-TOWARD-COMPLETION DECODING:
WHAT I GOT AT 8:15 15 MIN AGO:
BEGIN SNAPSHOT:
{salvation}
The personal control system is cancelled by the altered state.
Its system reset is consciously attributed to the now visible, the normally hidden, uncontrollable source of control-thoughts, and is reset by that ultimate control-source, just as all contro control-thoughts are now reveled (at the egodeath transformation climax).
The ego death and transformation climax is like a woman.
How is the ego death and transformation climax like a virgin maiden?
Very comparable to woman overpowered attracted seduced climax wrestle she’s completely overpowered SHE ACTS FEMALE.
The the personal egoic control system acts female.
The the mind’s personal control system behaves in a female way:
The mind’s personal control system resists being abducted, overpowered, seduced.
The mind’s personal control system is seduced.
Sequence of Female Aspects of the mind’s personal control system
- virgin
- abducted
- attracted
- seduced
- wrestled
- overpowered
- climaxed
- married
- bridal chamber
- impregnated
- give birth
- die in childbirth
- child is god-aware
Heading
IT BEHAVES IN A FEMALE WAY DEFINED AS RESIST, SEDUCED, CLIMAX, GIVE BIRTH.
THE POSSIBILISM TO ETERNALISM TRANSFORMATION LIKE A VIRGIN WHO WAS ABDUCTED, SEDUCED, WRESTLED, OVERPOWERED, SUBMITTRED, THEN MARRIED?
Find ‘salvation’ or ‘savior’:
Glossary of Gnostic Terms
https://gnosticq.com/az.text/glos.af.html
https://gnosticq.com/az.text/glos.gl.html
https://gnosticq.com/az.text/glos.mr.html
https://gnosticq.com/az.text/glos.sz.html
/ END SNAPSHOT
HEADING LEVEL: 1
THIS IS A TEST SENTENCE. TRANSFORMATION OF THE MENTAL WORLDMODEL FROM POSSIBILISM TO ETERNALISM
TRANSFORMATION OF THE MENTAL WORLDMODEL FROM POSSIBILISM TO ETERNALISM
create a million [acro]/keyboard shortcuts let the ood good ones survive by auto-complete helping reveal what’s been defined, fav phraseing but i keep improveing my phrasings
Maiden vs. Two Goddesses
{maiden vs. (underworld-queen + overworld-queen)} =
naive-possibilism vs. (qualified-possibilism + eternalism)
{tree vs. snake} = possibilism vs. eternalism
Innumerable Mythemes to Enter in Concepts Collection from a Single Idea-Development Session
{virgin}
{bridal chamber}
{spear}
{avert eye}
{bridal chamber, soul ascent}
{bridal chamber}
{soul ascent}
{reaching level of fixed stars/ heimarmene}
{soul ascent / astral ascent mysticism up to heimarmene fixed stars}
{doorway}
{passageway}
{gateway}
{heimarmene gate}
{heaven gate}
{password, key}
{sacr child}
{no egodeath virgins/ children/ youths/ maidens allowed through this door}
{saturn scything the child during the ascent to reach heimarmene}
{virgin}
{phallus of god}
{first birth vs second birth}
{initial form, final form}
{first form, second form}
{first self, second self}
{virgin}
{mother}
{child born}
{son overthrows father}
{firstborn replaced by secondborn}
{stake through prometheus}
{ascent}
{crossing-through gate threshold cost}
{male/female Mithras/Dionysus/Jesus}
{athena’s tall spear}
{spear dividing scene}
{mortal, immortal}
{spear through snake}
{crossbeam}
{Eve born from hole in Adam’s side}
{worldline speared by the worldline, t / o shape}
{control agent speared by worldline}
{lion-headed snake monster created by solo maiden w/o consent of partner}
{lion-headed serpent monster created by female acting without partner’s consent}
{snake-headed family carved in rock}
{snake through heart}
{human head on snake}
{spear through side/heart}
{stake through prometheus}
{spear in side of king on spacetime cross in heavens}
{worldline sword running through God’s side}
{2 goddesses}
{maiden, underground queen, aboveground queen}
{2 goddesses, maiden, underground queen, aboveground queen}
{virgin maiden dies giving birth to god-boy}
{epiphany ruler descending partway to meet rising soul}
{puppet/ puppetmaster}
{god-phallus revealed in maiden virgin takes virginity}
{king descend heaven epiphany}
Mytheme {virgin} Mind Never Been Transformed from Possibilism to Eternalism
done: create Concept-entries in the Egodeath-Theory Concepts Database, for these more-decoded mythemes from this morning’s session:
(Conceptbase)
Mytheme {two goddesses} = from Naive Possibilism-Thinking to Eternalism-thinking + qualified possibilism-thinking
Mytheme {speared side} = Worldline Running Through the Personal Control System
Mytheme {speared} = Worldline Running Through the Personal Control System
Mytheme {king descend epiphany}
Mytheme {soul ascent, bridal chamber}
During the years-long course of decoding a given mytheme-network, a new connections-explosion builds on the partial mytheme-decoding to date, of the particular and overall mytheme-network. I expereicned this in Nov 2011 vs 13, now again with ~2012 decoding of helpless female thoughtreceiver vs. the true-powered, male, thought-injector, vs. Dec 7 2020 COMPLETION of that tight local mytheme cluster PLUS far-flung explostions of completion of unpredictable other ADDVANCED LEVEL MYTHEMSE that have been partly decoded incompletely ; missing some SPECIFIC KEY “ANGLES”, SEEING THE ANALOGY FROM THE RIGHT POINT OF VIEW.
HISTORY RECORD:
ON DEC 7 , I DECODED:
X ASPECT OF {M}, THEN
X ASPECT OF {M}, THEN
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eg like, too many breakthroughs to even list.
I had such widespread and specific local decodings angles breakthrough, it is not possible to describe.
It cannot be listed, the large # completed-decodings 6 hours ago.
This connections-explosion builds on the 2012 b partial mytheme-decoding of the female thought-receiver and the veiled male forceful thought-injector.
The below is an “ok to edit” copy of the page:
First, at start of session, I was filling-in the list
Welcome to the Egodeath Theory, Joe Average
Welcome to the Egodeath Theory, Joe Average (and General Audience, and Professional Mystics, and Cognitive Scientists, and Ancient Hellenistic Initiates).
The basic ideas that anyone can understand, as I’ve presented them:
Key topics that I assembled January 1988:
o The block universe
o No-free-will/monopossibility
o Loose cognitive association binding
o Cybernetic non-control <– do not think about or experience in the form of {snake} frozen in {rock}. This is the way through THE EGODEATH DOORWAY Semele light shines on her workings, dollpuppet immediately made visible as a illusion screen obscuring; it’s a virtual layer only, a projected image the personal egoic control system.
The Maiden {virgin} means maiden; the maiden/virgin hasn’t been PENETRATED BY SNAKE WORLDLINE SPEARE OSIRIS DIED IN TREE TRUNK, GAVE WAY TO “THE SEONC FORM” {second form}{virgin} {maiden splits into two ruler-goddesses, one in the underworld}. to take a boy is to overpower and transformation shine the light on the underworkings of the the personal egoic control system causes necessarily a transformation to the adult from, transformation from possibilism to eternalism = {losing virginity}
this is not… my theory needs some theorizing, about “amont of reconnections” — at least I now know that deocind ga mytheme is more than {x} =x. 3 of 4 types of connection remain:
myth>myth synonyms antonyms generalization groups
myth>concept
concept>myth
concept>concept
Look how many different angles you can draw analogies from.
I could prove that I thought of “much of these decodings already” — sort of.
What does “sort of” mean? I had half the angles/perspectives/analogies,
compare
November 2011 tree/snake work, nice; versus
November 2013 “TOTALLY GETTING IT!!! OMFG” — no comparison in magnitude.
think more literally. God’s control-member is inserted covertly into the heart inner place within the personal egoic control system. The maiden has been revealed = penetrated, for the thought-inserter to be revealed covertly operating inside the local locus of control, We see your will revealed the snake worleline running through our heart our mind’s adult form the virgin maiden mind hasn’t popped its one and only childhood-thinking mental models, the mind gets to have 2.5 mental models, called “first and second birth”, plus consolation prize your childhood self gets to be Ruler of the Underworld of the egoic control agents that never really existed in a sense, your initial fantasy-self, now still being used to control to now virtualy controrl the steering among the branches, Demeter is under there in the land of thihngs that seemed, The Land of Initially Seemed, local locus of control autonomous maiden gives birth to monster : lion (death-face) snake (worldlien) = lion snake = impaled by Death worldline
Cause of death: impalement by worldline through his cybernetic heart/side, and the woman eve born from Adam’s side. wound in side represents birth-opening where worldline puppetmaster is operating in your heart of your the personal egoic control system. the main image is, i didn’t arrange these ideas this way —
Mental Mode
the tem to eternalism to possibilism to eternalism cherry.
REALLY FEELIN A MYTH-GROK ABOUT MAIDEN DYING GIVING BIRTH TO EGOIC THINKING = NEW BIRTH OF AWARENESS OF THE MALE PUPPETMASTER INSERTED INTO FEMALE VIRTUAL ILLUSION LEVEL . ACTING ON ITS OWWN = POSSIBILISM-THINKING. SOPHIA INITIALLY GAVE BIRTTH TO A LION-FACED SERPENT MONSTER = CYBERNETIC DEATH. GOOD MODEL, CLEAR VIBES.. GEOCENTRIC Ptolemaic astral ascent mysticism . To get past a point of…. intelligence, light shining on how the mind works, how the feeling of time and control collapses upon light watery light the watery light shines on Semele realizing she is naked and vulnerable penetrated by the inner thought injector serpent running through the heart or lets just say running the branch Eve holds over her vulnerable spot covered by a branch; possibilism .
BEGIN LIFE AS A YOUTH / MAIDEN – NEITHER IS CONSIDERED MALE IN THE HIGHER SENSE OF PUPPETMASTER / THOUGHT INJECTOR SNAKE THAT IS YOUR LIFE ALL ALONG THAT RAIL IS PROJECTED REFLECTION …. GARMENT OF LIGHT PROTECTS.. GNOSTICISM – POSSIBILISM-THINKING ON ITS OWN W/O ETERNALISM GIVES BIRTH TO LION SERPENT YOUR HEAD ON TOP FROZEN IN ROCK, CARVED INTO ROCK, SNAKE THROUGH THE HEART AS YOU RISE UP AS PERSONAL EGOIC CONTROL AGENT AND ARE MADE SUPER LIGHT SHINED REVEALING THE WORKINGS OF THE MIND TO AWARENESS AND WHEN THIS HAPPENS CONTROL ILLUSION EGOIC CONTROL POWER ILLUSION COLLAPSES, THE MAIDEN PENETRATED BY THE MALE GOD DIES AND IS TRANSFORMED IDENTITY REPLACED BY ETERNALISM THE BOY DIONYSUS IS BORN, THE “ADULT” FORM BY ANALOGY … THIS IS HOW THE MIND WORKS IN THE ALTERED STATE. LOSE VIRGINITY, DIE MAIDEN, GIVE BIRTH TO AWARENESS OF YOUR MALE PARTNER WHOSE WILL YOU SEE IN YOU. I NOW SEE THE WILL OF GOD INSIDE ME AND MY ILLUSION COLLAPSED ABOUT BEING AN AUTONOMOUS SOURCE OF PERSONAL CONTROL POWER. YOUR MINID WAS FORCED TO CHANGE AND GIVE BIRTH TO THE *SECOND WAY OF THIINKING AFTER “IT” HAPPENS, THE SYSTEM CANCELLATION AND SUSPENSION AND REVELATION OF HOW TIME AND CONTROL UNDERNEATH THE PROJECTED IMAGE LAYERED ON TOP VANISHES AND NATURALLY THE MIND RECONFIGURES TO ITS HIGHER FORM. WE ALL HAVE A SNAKE SHAPED CROSS PROMETHUES RISE UP TO GOD-MODE THINKING AND DISCVERD A SPEAR THROUGH HIM. THE … RISE UP LIKE MOSES LIFTED UP SNAKE, THE WORLDLINE FROZEN CARVED IN ROCK IS YOUR LIFE STUCK WITH THE WORDLINE SPEAKER THE SPEAR IS THE WORLDLINE RUNING THROUGH THE KING, IS THE REAL KING REVEALED, 12:50 AM DEC 7 2020
FOUGHT THEMSELVES
done: add
{throw rock},
one-eye throws {rock},
David and Golieth,
Jason throws rock into army the {rock} makes them {fight}, ego fights the light of the real controller, the higher level king.
local control the personal egoic control system is a projected image with no real power, she is a penetrated, the god men are male female they have the spear-snake worldline running through their cybernetic heart impale Prometheus rose to god-mode access and died and transformed, that death is female-like: the puppet illusion we see God’s will in us. puppetmaster
the personal egoic control system is like an overpowered raptured female, helpless, no power, in light of God’s power, the maiden who WAS VIRGIN
“The word virgin comes via Old French virgine from the root form of Latin virgo, genitive virginis, meaning literally “maiden” or ” virgin ” —a sexually intact young woman or “sexually inexperienced woman“.
A GIRL WHO SLEPT AROUND BUT WAS NEVER CYBERNETICALLY OVERPOWERED BY LIGHT AND FORCED TRANSFORMATION FROM POSSIBILISM TO ETERNALISM IS STILL A VIRGIN. YOU ARE NO — YOU THE FEMALE PUPPET SOUL ILLUSION-PROJECTION WITH NO POWER, THE THE PERSONAL EGOIC CONTROL SYSTEM ARE MADE TO GIVE WAY TO THE HIGHER UNDERLYING REALITY, THAT YOU HAVE NO POWER, ITS PROJECTED. TO LEARN THAT AND BE FORCED TO SWITCH TO UTTER HELPLESS DEPENDEDCY ON YOUR OWN REVEALED SEPARATE HIDDEN THE NORMALLY VEILED, UNCONTROLLABLE SOURCE OF CONTROL-THOUGHTS , TO UNVEIL THAT REALITY OF CONTROL-THOUGHT INJECTTION BY THE WORLDLINE SNAKE FROZNE SPEAR IN SIDE IN ROCK IN WHAT DIRECTION DOES THE SNAKE RUN THORUGH PROMETHEUS. THE MALE SPEAR SERPENT WORLDLINE RUNS THROUGH YOU YOUR PAST (TAAIL) IS VISIBLE FROEN IN ROCK AND FUTURE SAME FROZEN IN ROCK MAN’S HEAD FISH MOUTH HE’S DIVING INTO THE FROZEN SNAKE SHAPED FUTURE WORLDLINE. THE –
HOW DID I NOT SEE IT WHEN CLEAR HEAD AND SOBER? THE SPEAR DUMMY THE SPEAR DUMMY WORLDLINE SNAKE RUNNING THROUGH YOUR PRESENT TIME. CONTINUE [1:04 A.M. DEC 7 2020] I swear no one would agree that it failed failed to decode… the two go together: the spear in the side, and sword in god’s side suggests worldline snake is running through god and he is crucified not literally dead, if the personal egoic control system = king, has a spear through side not dumbly
“the symbol of the spear is corrolated/ associated with… (i hate that way of talking).
it magically is associated with seizures” misses the big main point:
The worldline snake runs through the heart of the king, formerly known as the {evil king}, he lives in one way but the godmen are rep’d as female-like Jesus with God’s will stuck in him and worldline spear wounded his side, effeminate Jesus Dionysus Mithras Osiris has God’s control-member inserted in hi he has the female trait of being overpowered by God’s light and forced to shed shine light on how mind really works, killing Semele the projected image illusion temporary powerless vulnerable illusion, not able to stand adult light truth the child is … my original point this writing session was {astral ascent mysticism}, before decoded {virgin} and {spear} decoding, [1:13 a.m. December 7, 2020] geocentric.
Caruana’s video and glossary
and finished or “took” or “got” what i wrote already about possibilism transformation from possibilism to eternalism = transformation from Persephone to
HEAVEN EMPYRIUM – DWELLING PLACE OF GOD AND OF ALL THE ELECT
Christ descends down from Eternalism-land, we rise up from possibilism-land. Meet the ruler in the air, the epiphany, Mystery Religion. Mystery Religion. Mystery Religion Mystery Religion Mystery Religion Mystery Religion Mystery Religion Mystery Religion
Mytheme decoding sequence this session that’s ending 2:35 am dec 7 2020:
0. Passing through the astral doorway, the price is Egodeath. Egodeath theory = I, the Egodeath theory is the doorway from possibilism to eternalism. , ego death to get to heaven-empyriem through the layer of heimarmene to outside it where God and al the elect have risen to, out down from the sky means, vertical scale, lower = possibilism, higher = eternalism, Christ comes down from Eternalismland = Heaven = empyrium; above … astral ascent mysticism is useful.
1. astral ascent mysticism – {reaching heimarmene the sphere of the fixed stars} level (a got-it good idea, pass but first,
2. {Saturn sacrifice the childhood thinking, = possibilism-thinking.
3. {virgin}, mind hasn’t been made to flip mode to the mature real form underlying image projector, real power center the collapse of a false power-center. a mind that hasn’t been transformed to egoic thinking {virgin}. the Bridal Chamber – we know god inside us operating us, we are an image projection we were made to see and die, Persephone lost, – the one thing i don’t understand: didn’t i write all this? I HAVE NO ENTRY FOR VIRGIN. I HAVE NO ENTRRY FOR SPEAR. OMFG. LOW IQ. AND THE PRICE TO RISE UPWARD TO THE HEIMARMENE REALM FIXED … JUPITER SACRIFICES THE CHILDTHINKING (holy spirit high-flying eagle / harmless dove? = takes the mind’s virginity: eagle = power of the holy spirit to transform to
THE SECOND FORM.
every myth is transformation from possibilism to eternalism
What’s Jesus as maiden? bc transformation from possibilism to eternalism.
Why is x y? b/c x & y is analogous w/ transformation from possibilism to eternalism is like losing a child, like losing virginity, like escaping prison HOH OH HOW WE LOVE THE WAYS TO COMPARE THE MAIDEN FORM, SHE HASN’T BEEN SHOWN GOD’S WILL HIDDEN OPERATING INSIDE HER YET. HER HIDDEN PARTNER, THE HIGHER, CONTROL-THOUGHT-INJECTOR.
THE FIRST WAY OF THINKING IS EGOIC/PSM POSSIBILISM .
THE SECOND WAY OF THINKING IS THE TRANSCENDENT, ETERNALISM. adult form. ) SO YOU CAN REACH UP TO FULL LEVEL, HEIMARMENE AFTER TRANSFORMING TO ETERNALISM THUS DYING TO POSSIBILISM.
3. spear through, Prometheus stake worldline. CARVED HIGH-RELIEF SNAKE IN ROCK IS A {SPEAR} RUNNING THROUGH YUOR SIDE SIDEWAYS SPEAR WORLDLINE SNAKE FROZEN IN ROCK PROMETHEUS STAKE.
BILLOWING CLOTH = AN INVISIBLE FORCE THAT YOU CAN FEEL AND CAN INDIRECTLY SEE . REFLECTION. THE CLOTH IS BLOWING IN INNER MIND THE PERSONAL EGOIC CONTROL SYSTEM NO LONGER VIRGIN, GOT OVERPOWERED AND EXPOSED AND ILLUSION COLLAPSED, THE MALE HALF PARTNER REVEALED HIMSELF, THE HIGHER CONTROLLER. BTW KILLS FT FREEWILL THINKING. THE HIGHER CLOTHING, A NEW CLOTHING FOR THE SPIRIT, EXPOSED.
I already decoded “virgin”? not, surprisingly. very little. but so so much clearer it feels.
I totally get it, totally virgin, not yet transformed from possibilism to eternalism. did i not write that post that the Egodeath Yahoo Group 2012?
That is the conversation i spewed out to a friend – back when I figured out decoded “rapture/ra/e”. Wished I had recorded the burst of exactly-right analogies when I decoded “female” but mind has a first born self then when that collapsed no more; it was your mind’s only child-form.
Each mind gets one initial egoic possibilism-thinking, for a time, then that lower king dies, that maiden gets penetrated by Prometheus’ stake worldline running through her — the personal egoic control system is the virgin.
temporary, powerless, destined to follow Demeter, our collective i swear i wrote this in 2006. Every initiated man is Demeter-shaped, the adult-ruler.
Switch gears on the analogy — what happens when the maiden dies? she gives birth to Dionysus, and also, she is now an adult woman, thus Queen, Adult Queen of the Dead Child-thinking realm we all share, Demeter was a maiden but got penetrated by the snake-shaped worldline of god, God’s spear in your side, inside your the personal egoic control system injecting secretly thoughts, now revealed as a temporary beginner-form illusion — a cheap gimmick, a projected image that collapses upon light, got it. [1:31 am December 7, 2020]. the female the personal egoic control system soul splits upon death (transformation-away, replaced by eternalism-thinking splits into TOW NEW FORMS I GOT IT:!
NAIVE POSSIBILISM-THINKING = PERSEPHONE
ON THE REALITY SIDE, WE HAVE DEMETER (ETERNALISM-THINKING ) , ADULT FORM AFTER THE MAIDEN FORM. DEMETER IS AWARE OF SHADOW-EXISTENCE FORMER SELF, NOW SEEN AS “QUEEN” ADULT FORM IN THE SHADOWS-WORLD, PERSEPHONE QUEEN OF THE UNDERWORLD DEAD EGOS / TRANSFORMED-AWAY, ILLUSION-BASED SELF-CONCEPT. THE SELF-CENTER SWITCHES TO A DUO MODEL, TWO CENTERS OF CONTROL: PUPPETMASTER / PUPPPET. BRAND NEW IDEA FOR 1988? 2012 I CRACKED TONS OF THIS – NO VIRGIN Concept-entry THO???? UNBELIEVABLE. NO SPEAR ENTRY ???? JOKE, YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING.
ETERNALISM-THINKING + QUALIFIED-POSSIBILISM-THINKING = DEMETER MOURNING FOR HER LOST DAUGHTER
I ALREADY WROTE THIS/???? ON MY DEMETER PAGE? not really finding it, maybe idea development page? i spelled out the equations somewhere already.
MAIDEN PERSEPHONE SPLITS INTO ADULT QUEEN OF UNDERWORLD SHADES LAND OF DEAD EGOS, CANCELLED/REMOVED GARMENTS OF POSSIBILISM-THINKING, AND SPLITS INTO DEMETER, THE ADULT FORM OF THE MAIDEN, ETERNALISM.
To rise to a certain threshold level of awareness the Egodeath doorway, this transformation is the doorway to Cog Sci, Loose Cog Science. to get through the doorway, the price is your child [12:27 a.m. December 7 2020], to rise up high to fixed stars, you get trapped at the .. as you fly … as the child flies up higher and higher, there’s a level at which the child-mode thinking is revealed as an illusion and the inner snake puppet-hand in you is all visible; you experience and you see and the child-mode thinking dies; your demon-possessed ; the female dies, the male form is born. Semele Zeus Dionysus. the boy was born from the cybernetic death of the female when Zeus shined his light on the the personal egoic control system with branching —
o Mental model transformation
o Ego transcendence.
I’ve been working on clarifying and focusing ideas, including the peak climactic self-control-seizure vortex and control-system transformation, since I first put together the basic core ideas, on January 11, 1988 in the ivy-covered computer lab at university.
These basic ideas which you can readily understand, that I put together in 1988, are listed in my the Egodeath Concepts Database.
Egodeath Concepts Database:
Concept area: Theory Concepts
Concept sub-area: The Egodeath theory — Meta-Theory
Concept: the Egodeath theory (conceptually, the topmost Concept within the “meta-theory” area)
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/05/key-theorizing/#the-Egodeath-theory
“Non-control” of a sort: personal control is no longer thought of as coming from a local locus of personal control power operating with steering power in a tree of possibilities into an open future.
Mytheme: {sow dragon teeth into ground}, {army starts to attack you}, {throw rock}, {army of soldiers fights against itself}; also: {slingshot throw rock kills giant}
Mytheme: {sow dragon teeth into ground} {army starts to attack you} {throw rock} {} — [10:50 p.m. December 6, 2020] side-note decoding a unit of decoding: SLINGSHOTTED {ROCK} {KILLS GIANT}. As I was saying before interrupted by fallout-connections tumbling along: {army of soldiers fights against itself}.
[10:17 p.m. December 6, 2020] i got something. dragons teeth. how does the tale-episode go? Army fighting against itself. This potential mytheme-decoding came to me when again reading:
In the Egodeath Concepts Database, I jumped from reading:
Core Concepts: the mind’s innate transformation sequence
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/17/glossary-for-the-egodeath-theory/#the-minds-innate-transformation-sequence
to reading:
Key Mythemes: {initiation}:
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/15/mytheme-list/#initiation
Snapshots of the two Concept-entries:
the mind’s innate transformation sequence
Synonyms:
initiation
Definition:
A series of loose-cognitive sessions culminating in complete elimination of naive-possibilism-thinking, resulting in eternalism-thinking plus qualified-possibilism-thinking.
The initiation sequence:
1. Sensory entertainment. Discovery of meta-programing.
2. Nondual unity oneness awareness. Rainbows & unicorns, peace & light; the premature, unearned glimpse of the heaven-realms.
3. The gods’ guarding dragon smells your pollution, your impurity, and wakes up, releasing the Furies.
4. Some purification, try again. Get thrown out, fleeing in terror.
5. more purification, try again.
6. more purification, try again.
7. more purification, try again.
8. sacrifice, purification.
9. wedding banquet, bridal chamber. <– the proper return, now “earned“, of nondual unity oneness awareness.
10. singing praise to God with the angels.
Beginners’ Nondual Unity Oneness Awareness, versus Completed Initiates’ Nondual Unity Oneness Awareness
The early initiation stage, and the final initiation stage after reaching Completion (of transformation from possibilism to eternalism), both include nondual unity oneness awareness.
The beginner has not yet discovered the cybernetic control-seizure vortex; has not become as acquainted with it as the bride has become well-acquainted with her husband’s body inside of her.
The situation is reminiscent of Ken Wilber’s concept “the pre/trans fallacy”: something from before a big change, can mistakenly look like after a change, but there are important differences.
Concept type:
key concept
Related mytheme:
{initiation}
Abbreviation:
mits
_________________
{initiation}
Fleeing in Terror from the Furies
In the early initiation stage, there is nondual unity oneness awareness, unearned, unstable.
Soon the mind catches sight of the attractor vortex.
The guarding {furies} awaken.
Desperately try to cover-up, flee in terror, from seeing the certainly threatening control-loss dragon serpent monster; Dionysus’ God-mode transcendent thinking takes over the egoic personal control system and straightaway crashes it into a tree; loss of control.
reading the following paragraph after the above, gave it another shot of thinking about tale of {army fighting against itself} THEY TURNED … HE THREW *DRAGON‘S TEETH* AND THEY TURNED TO FIGHT AGAINST EACH OTHER:
[[10:48 p.m. December 6, 2020] note entered a few minutes later, after performing the theory-confirming-experiment: what made them fight against each other? a rock.
Phase 1 was “Hypothesis Formation.”
Phase 2 was Conduct Experiment to confirm or disconfirm the Theory.
Phase 3 now: clean up/revise the theory or experiment: Jason didn’t throw dragon’s teeth; he sowed them into the ground, causing the army to appear and start to attack him, then he threw a {rock} and they fought themselves; “Some fought themselves, some fought each other”.]
The harder the personal control system tries to retain control, and watches the control-system vigilantly with perfect acuity and Reason, the more the personal control system is tricked into checking, testing, and challenging the mind’s control power, pitting personal self-control power against itself.
At cybernetic self-testing climax, the personal control system is made to prove and demonstrate willing the destruction and harm of oneself.
Purification and correction and coherence of the mental worldmodel occurs then; transformation, redemption, satisfaction, sacrifice, becoming right with God-mode thinking.
Egodeath Core Concept:
the mind’s innate transformation sequence
/ end of shapshots from the Egodeath Concepts Database
ok, I’m done with the Hypothesis Formation step. Let’s do experiment, see if the theory is confirmed or disconfirmed: search web for
https://www.bing.com/search?q=jason+dragon+teeth+army – first hit:
https://mythworld.fandom.com/wiki/Jason —
“As a result, Medea aided Jason in his tasks.
1) “First, Jason had to plow a field with fire-breathing oxen, the Khalkotauroi, that he had to yoke himself.
[if only i were a salamander — or a furnace-proof (& lion-proof) prophet]
Medea provided an ointment that protected him from the oxen’s flames.
[ointment for hero – check Ruck’s new book]
The Son Conceived in Drunkenness: Magical Plants in the World of the Greek Hero
Carl Ruck, December 2017
http://amzn.com/1587904241
2) “Then, Jason sowed the teeth of a dragon into a field.
The teeth sprouted into an army of warriors.
Medea had previously warned Jason of this and told him how to defeat this foe.
Before they attacked him, he threw a rock into the crowd.
[I forgot the {rock} theme in the story — I’ll take that as YET ANOTHER VINDICATION/ THEORY-CONFIRMATORY EXPERIMENT]
Unable to discover where the rock had come from, the soldiers attacked and defeated one another.
[the personal egoic control system in the altered state inherently collapses, becomes non-viable & self-cancelling upon revealing the veiled uncontrollable source of control-thoughts]
3) His last task was to overcome the sleepless dragon which guarded the Golden Fleece.
[ram sacrificed on rock altar]
Jason sprayed the dragon with a potion, given by Medea, distilled from herbs.
The dragon fell asleep, and Jason was able to seize the Golden Fleece.
He then sailed away with Medea.
Medea distracted her father, who chased them as they fled, by killing her brother Apsyrtus and throwing pieces of his body into the sea; Aeetes stopped to gather them.
In another version, Medea lured Apsyrtus into a trap.
[the self-control vulnerability attractor vortex]
Jason killed him, chopped off his fingers and toes, and buried the corpse.
In any case, Jason and Medea escaped.
Putting the Mind’s “Self-Control Climax-&-Transformation” Capability Front & Center of the Egodeath theory
The Egodeath Concepts page is an optimized collection of ego death & mental model transformation concepts, defining the field of Loose Cognitive Science.
This optimized set of concepts helps the mind directly see, access, and understand the mind’s innate, attractive vortex of testing the self-control-source vulnerability.
The mind is able to cancel-out personal control and cause transformation of the mental worldmodel from possibilism to eternalism.
This capability of transforming the mental model of time, possibility, and control and is innate, built-into
the temporary, initial, egoic mental model of control and time.
The egoic mental model of time and control is suited only for the ordinary state of consciousness (tight mental functioning binding)
The egoic personal control system is only viable temporarily, until it is exposed to loosecog, then it burns off, revealing the skeleton of reality functioning snake hidden underneath.
The elevated god-level perspective on the personal control system reveals the underlying {snake}; that is, reveals the pre-existing worldline of personal control-thoughts.
Dis-embedded awareness makes visible the underlying mental functioning of the personal control system, making visible the foundation layer underneath the transient, childhood-only, temporary and passing and perishable, illusion-based, shadow-screen. The imperishable underlying structure is seen — the naked, vulnerable skeleton of the self-control system.
[11:07 p.m. December 5, 2020]
{she saw that she was naked} = mind sees its vulnerability of the personal egoic control system, its illusion and the illusion of possibility-branching that the personal egoic control system operates within – both are a projected illusion, gained by covering up the way the mind really works.
I explain the loose-cognitive phenomenology of self-control climax/cancellation that causes mental model transformation.
The self-control climax causes mental model transformation. The illusion is revealed and so it collapses and the vulnerability that was blocked from mental access and mental view, is now revealed and triggered, causing climactic disproof the the initial model of self-control agency along with its model of possibility and time – the entire possibilism mental worldmodel.
Mytheme: {skeleton} per Brown; Eve “I’ve Been {skeletonized} *and*{disrobed}”, in Plaincourault Amanita Tree Fresco
What’s nakeder than naked? to be skeletonized like Eve, by the mushroom. See through the illusion of the personal egoic control system.
Eve is seeing through the illusion of the personal egoic control system, including the illusory egoic control agent, illusory possibility-branching, and the state-specific viability of those two, conjoined, stand-OR-FALL-together ways of thinking.
The egoic control system’s — the egoic control agent steering within time, with possibility-branching, that whole situation is an illusion/ mis-reading of the real situation — for control, time, & possibility — an illusion that is cast by the underlayment, the foundation level “exposed skeleton” {eve skeleton plaincourault} (per Brown’s mytheme-decoding, but better) of the reality of how the mind ACTUALLY works UNDERNEATH THE EGOIC/POSSIBILISM ILLUSION-LAYER, which is exposed in the loose cognitive state . the egoic the egoic personal control system
(THAT’S A good phrase, the cave-image-illusion-projection, analogy —
A. How the mind, self-control, and world APPEARS to work, when the mind is only exposed to what it can perceive with
{non-flying-eyeball}, {eyes closed}, {unable to see}, {blind}, childhood chicken-vison
B. Upon the altered state, now perceiving the UNDERLYING REALITY, how the mind and the self-control system, time, & possibility REALLY work, UNDERNEATH THE OSC-ONLY, CHIDLHOOD-PROJECTED ILLUSION.
the reality of how the mind actually works underneath the ACTUALLY works UNDERNEATH THE EGOIC/POSSIBILISM ILLUSION-LAYER, which is exposed in the loose cognitive state
of and only viable during the THE ORDINARY STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS; collapses by revealing its illusion of autonomy, when it is exposed in the altered state . ) and pitting control against itself, disproving the initial, possibilism-premised model of time, possibility, and self-control, and causing transformation to
2) the second, eternalism-premised model of
Core explanatory components of how the mind works in the loose cognitive state; what happens when the mind discovers cybernetic control climax scc its
What happens when the mind discovers its potential to undergo transcendent self-control climax and transform from possibilism to eternalism
perceives and is drawn toward catches sight of the attractor vortex of pitting control against itself, disproving the initial, possibilism-premised model of time, possibility, and self-control; and transforming/ converting to the “eternalism (pre-existence)” mental model of time, possibility, and control (the mind’s innate, higher experiencing, adult form).
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Possibilism vs. Eternalism: Two Models of Time and Control
Two most-basic worldmodels, essential to the Egodeath theory; a good foundation for both the 1988/1997 core Cybernetic theory, and for the Mytheme equivalents, to understand religious mythology & Esotericism.