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Incoming Ideas

Egodeath Community Is Superior Like Late Antiquity Immortals who Integrate Paired Modified Eternalism-Thinking + Possibilism-Thinking

is there a picture in the medieval art genre of {mushroom-trees} depicting this idea?

My 2007 article shows Dionysus which strongly emphasizes this specific idea/ valuation.

IMO, per my ART INTERPRETATION, Great Canterbury Psalter / Eadwine reads as simply exclusively asserting eternalism, not as asserting a harmonious pairing of eternalism-thinking + possibilism-thinking.

What is the message of the mushroom-tree artists? which message is it: [here is studly bona fide Theory work] YOU ARE ON THE LEADING EDGE OF ALTERED STATE THEORY with the Egodeath theoryTM:

  1. In the Psilocybin state, rely on eternalism-thinking, don’t rely on possibilism-thinking.
    –OR–
  2. Harmoniously integrate possibilism-thinking & eternalism-thinking, mutually tempering and complementing each other.

As the world’s highest art interpreter, I say, Great Canterbury Psalter (Eadwine art director) and the mushroom-tree artists — the medieval art genre of {mushroom-trees} — transmit message #1, not message #2.

We can interpret f134 row 2 middle — the two women — as transmitting a message of wedding and marrying balance stable control {balance scale} andro gyne hermes aphrodite …. to transmit message #2.

Proposal: f134 Row 2 Right is a message of do not halt at relying on eternalism-thinking; maturely integrate possibilism-thinking + eternalism-thinking as two paired complementary mental models.

including the two women, {balance scale}, 3 guys especially building up to floating sage.

Row 2 Right: Integrate Possibilism-Thinking and Eternalism-Thinking

Crop by Michael Hoffman
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https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10551125c/f134.item.zoom#

Features:

  • Breaking bow.
  • {balance scale} held by {stand on left foot} yet stable woman (L foot on stable col base)
  • floating sage rebuts both foolish youth & enlightened youth; rebuts basic possibilism-thinking and basic eternalism-thinking; asserts relying on the combination rather than only on possibilism or only on eternalism.

The floating sage interpretation problem STYMIED MY ANALYSIS IN NOV 2020: IS HE HIGH ON CANNABIS FLOATING??

Well-decoded now 6:38 pm Apr. 19, 2025: the most mature interp of floating sage is: wedded married andro-gyne couple both ways of thinking: both mental models: possibilism-thinking & eternalism-thinking coupled and mutally fitted together.

Do not affirm possibilism and stop. Do not affirm eternalism and stop.

NO ZERO SUM GAME WHERE POSSIBILISM TAKES ALL OR ETERNALISM TAKES ALL!

Instead, affirm possibilism-thinking and eternalism-thinking combined into a 2-head system that is unified harmoniously and productively.

Abraham and Isaac walked away into the prosperous blessed future, having done this thing and not withheld Isaac.

Schrodinger’s Isaac: Isaac was sacrificed in a way, and preserved in a way. He has been washed clean, honoring the divine control level.

Abraham rode off on his cleansed donkey on the path.

“The fire and wood are here,” Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?” Abraham answered, “God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering. Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son. Abraham looked up and [behind him] there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. Because you have done this and have not withheld your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky. Through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.” Gen 22:7-18 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%2022%3A7-18&version=NIV

Crop by Michael Hoffman

Abr: stand on right foot; Isaac: stand on left foot

Crop and annotations by Michael Hoffman, Egodeath.com, Jan. 3, 2025

balance stand on right foot; connected to rams standing L foot

{fire} = loose cognition; specifically loose cognition driving control transformation, per the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence (Jan. 1988; spec uploaded to the Web 1997).

Photo: Michael Hoffman; 1988 drafts of the Theory of Ego Transcendence, 1989 notebook; binders of 1986-1989 binder sheets of idea development.
Photo & drawings: Michael Hoffman, March 9, 2014 after Thx 2013 The Power of Myth branching breakthrough: Eve Tempted by the Serpent (Cranach) + Douris kylix of Jason tree of garden of the hesperides with golden apples of immortality guarded by Ladon & Athena

Photo & drawings: Michael Hoffman, March 9, 2014 after Thx 2013 The Power of Myth branching breakthrough:

  • Eve Tempted by the Serpent (Cranach), in The Power of Myth, by Joseph Campbell.
  • Douris kylix of Jason tree of garden of the hesperides with golden apples of immortality guarded by Ladon & Athena.

The two mental models: {king steering in a tree}; {snake frozen in rock}: Do not put down “appearance”.

Not “mere appearance”; possibilism branching is our life shape always as control agents. Respect and cherish “appearance”, beloved child thinking, used 24×7 all the time.

Photo & drawings: Michael Hoffman
Photo & drawings: Michael Hoffman

2 models: geocentric for astral ascent mysticism, sun centric:

Image processing & contributed upload to the web ~2005 by Michael Hoffman

2 models: adult & child; branching then ADD non-branching; the child is returned alive to St. Eustace.

The Two-Headed Transcendent Person: Soul (Eternalism-Thinking) Married with Spirit (Transcendent Possibilism-Thinking)

Superior to … thus the savior does NOT just represent Demiurge Fate correction; Christ or Mithras does NOT merely represent imprisonment in block-universe eternalism; …

  • Sol = enlightenment about eternalism
  • Mithras, Christ, Dionysus = enlightenment about transcend eternalism into transcendent possibilism-thinking.

First, Dionysus enlightens you about eternalism; then about transcend eternalism to reach qualified possibilism-thinking / transcendent possibilism-thinking. Cross-permute the biased terms:

qualified possibilism-thinking
implies
qualified eternalism-thinking

transcendent possibilism-thinking
implies
transcendent eternalism-thinking
ttet

Dionysus = theory of ego transcendence = transcendent possibilism-thinking = harmonious marriage of the two. recursive: dionysus wdded to ariadne means not “basic possibilism-thinking + basic eternalism-thinking” – that is not integrated. it means qualified possibilism-thinking + qualified eternalism-thinking , but SOUNDS TOO NEGATIVE. it means transcendent possibilism-thinking + transcendent eternalism-thinking

transcendent eternalism-thinking

transcendent eternalism
te

transcendent possibilism
tp

The Wedding of Transcendent possibilism + transcendent eternalism (not brute possibilism + brute eternalism; not basic possibilism-thinking + basic eternalism-thinking)

3 Guys: Possibilism; Eternalism; Possibilism [modified] + Eternalism [modified]

Crop by Michael Hoffman, Apr. 16, 2025

A marriage is not a youth and maiden; is not a plain man and a plain woman.
A marriage is a married man + a married woman forming a dyad, a couple, a coupling, a coupled pair.

childish thinking = earlier developmental psychospiritual structure per Ken Wilber; when the adult builds on their child developmental stage thinking, the adult “dis-identify, embrace, and include” child Isaac.

Sacrifice the child AND PRESERVE and cherish the child. Out grow but do not destroy; build on the child. Abandon child thinking in order to build on child thinking.
dieai

external to the Egodeath theory parlance: the marriage of mature integrated no-free-will + freewill; the marriage of the wedding of freewill + determinism; ftt freewill thinking + determinism thiniking; modified each.

the marriage of modified freewill thinking + modified determinism thinking. two mature complementary integrated things.

immature Science fights immature Religion

mature Science marries mature Religion

mature freewill thinking marries mature determinism thinking

mature possibilism-thinking marries mature eternalism-thinking

REJECT THE ZERO-SUM GAME OF AFFIRMING ONE AND DENYING THE OTHER

AFFIRMING ETERNALISM IS NOT DENYING POSSIBILISM
AFFIRMING POSSIBILISM IS NOT DENYING ETERNALISM

Tim Freke 2025: the unividual – not universe-only; not individual only; both an individual ego person AND nondual unity oneness.

A marriage input is youth + maiden, after marriage, they are not youth + maiden + adult man + adult woman.

immature male or female = maiden | youth = naive possibilism-thinking = basic possibilism-thinking

Red guy has eternalism-thinking but of what type?

Red buy does NOT have mature, transcendent eternalism-thinking.
He only has BASIC crude brute unbalanced eternalism-thinking.
He has not integrated eternalism-thinking with possibilism-thinking.

Floating sage has integrated eternalism-thinking with possibilism-thinking, which means, modifying eternalism-thinking & modifying possibilism-thinking so as to balance and co-operate as a paired coupling that is effective.

I experienced this need, this lack, when thinking about the peak window of the intense mystic altered state and trying to say “You need to think about X in Y way” and then I retorted what agent are you telling that directive to?”

Then I felt goddmanit you can’t win, it’s unsayable, “you should think of control in X way” – who are you talking to, since all is frozen in future already? The unclean lips problem.

I HAVE to talk and think in terms of possibilism branching – that is how our lived world is structured, despite the underlying revealed eternalism block.

To relate as a control agent, inherently is based in possibilism-thinking; egoic personal control system even after cleansing that system.

Isaac walks away from his sacrifice which God provided:

“The fire and wood are here,” Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?” Abraham answered, “God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering. Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son. Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. Because you have done this and have not withheld your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky. Through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.” Gen 22:7-18 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%2022%3A7-18&version=NIV
s-o-i
gen22

  1. fool = naive and non integrated possibilism-thinking
  2. wise youth = basic brute non-integrated eternalism-thinking
  3. wise floating sage = adult, married, mature, integrated transcendent possibilism-thinking + transcendent eternalism-thinking. He does not simply rely on possibilism-thinking nor eternalism-thinking. He relies on higher than either basic possibilism-thinking or basic eternalism-thinking; he relies on sophisticated integrated harmonious compromise paired combianation, a transcendent combining of modified [that is a more neatral word!] or “integrated”.

qualified possibilism-thinking
qpt
transcendent possibilism-thinking
tpt
modified possibilism-thinking
mdpt
integrated possibilism-thinking
ipt
modified eternalism-thinking
m-et
integrated eternalism-thinking
iet
mature possibilism-thinking
mpt
mature eternalism-thinking
mtet

need simple nomenclature:

  1. possibilism-thinking – IMMATURE!
  2. eternalism-thinking – STILL IMMATURE!
  3. integrated possibilism/eternalism thinking – finally, mature and whole – HEALER CHRIST MAKES YOU WHOLE, the married man tempers the woman; the married woman tempers the man. modified eternalism-thinking + modified possibilism-thinking.

mature female = woman = qualified possibilism-thinking (sounds too negative) = transcendent possibilism-thinking (a positive framing); “mature possibilism-thinking” is too metaphor based; “modified” is neutral and good for science explanatory framework.

The man holds the Y; the man = comprehension of principle contrast of branching vs non-branching.

He holds branching, but that must mean he understands non-branching . Woman does NOT hold branching or non-branching.

By virtue of her NOT holding Y, she = gnosis of non-branching.

theory of ego transcendence
toet

the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence
ctet

the control transformation experience
cte

transcendent possibilism-thinking
tpt

“lived far before the rise of Cartesian dualism and had never heard of a “war between religion and science.”

“They would have seen absolutely no reason to place chemical and spiritual processes neatly in separate categories, one for the body and one for the spirit.

“On the contrary, they were trying to understand how body, soul, and spirit could be manifestations of one single dynamic reality.”

— ebook p. 83, Wouter Hanegraaff

Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity (Wouter Hanegraaff, 2022) https://egodeaththeory.org/2022/07/14/hermetic-spirituality-and-the-historical-imagination-altered-states-of-knowledge-in-late-antiquity-hanegraaff/ & https://www.amazon.com/Hermetic-Spirituality-Historical-Imagination-Knowledge/dp/1009123068/

“psuchē) and matter (hulē) to just the first and the third (ibid., 75–76). This actually makes sense because the astral daimons influence both body and soul. In this passage, all that really matters (excuse the pun) is the liberation of the spirit from the compound of a body animated by a living soul; once this liberty is achieved, the incarnational bond is broken and all that remains is pure spirit and dead matter (i.e. the ὕλη on which Theosebeia can afford to spit, see note 77). The hulic body [& soul (or lower soul)] is an empty shell, very much like a corpse that astral [sphere 8, Ogdoad] daimons may play with as they will since the spirit [sphere 9, Ennead] is now beyond their grasp.”

— ebook p 118, Wouter Hanegraaff

“out of itself, the nous now brings forth a secondary nous, a “god of fire and spirit [usu spher e 9]” who acts as a demiurge [sphere 8], a cosmic architect or craftsman. He proceeds to fashion the “seven governors, [sphere 1-7]” the planets that are circling the earth. Their governance is called heimarmenē, the cosmic machinery of fate [what about sphere 8, contains zodiac therefore also = Fate & demiurge & here the “lower nous”] that rules everything in the world of the senses. This installation of the planetary system [sphere 1-7, governed by demurge in sphere 8] has an immediate effect on the logos that still finds itself down there” 168 Wouter Hanegraaff

p 194 ebook: Wouter Hanegraaff quotes:
“being astonished is placed in opposition to lacking faith signifies that astonishment and admiration lead to faith. It appears that the latter has little to do with the classical sense of πίστις [pistis]. Linked rather to astonishment and admiration, it would allow the spirit to elevate itself to another reality that is hidden from what appears to the eye.”

My accounting:

sphere 8 = soul = perceive fixed stars with eye. the visble cosmos = eternalism / heimarmene / fatedness.

sphere 9 = spirit = not visible. implied. transcend eternalism. higher than the revelation and the purification into eternalism. When you are purified by eternalism, you afterwards ascend higher to above eternalism , the spirit goes higher to there, sphere 9.

p 198: “watching in this manner leads to a sense of admiration or astonishment (thaumasai), and this is how our spirit gains knowledge of divinity – by being elevated to “another reality that is hidden from what appears to the eye.””

I ALREADY SEE DESTRUCTION OF Hanegraaff NARRATIVE SINCE VISIBLE = BAD = COSMOS, AND FIXED STARS ARE VISIBLE, THEREFORE FIXED STARS MUST BE INCLUDED IN “THE COSMOS”, THUS SPHERE 8 OGOAD = VISIBLE = BAD = THE COSMOS = FATE. REBORN INTO FATE PRISON, THEN AFTER, LIFTED SPIRIT UP TO SPHERE 9 OUTSIDE THE COSMOS = INVISIBLE.

P 198 OR 199? RIGHT Right side, maybe =199.: “the cosmos is the totality of all that is bad, whereas God is the totality of what is good, or if you will, the Good is the totality of God.

“For the most excellent Beauty is found in being itself, but those splendors that are the essence of God’s Being are even purer and more perfect.

“One must dare to say it, Asclepius, that God’s being (if he has one) is Beauty; but

“neither the Beautiful nor the Good are to be found in anything that exists in the cosmos.

“For whatever can be seen by our visual sight [EMPHASIS ON FIXED STARS!! AGAINST Hanegraaff] consists of nothing but phantom images and illusions.

“Only what can not be seen, notably the [essence] of the Beautiful and the Good [is real].

“And just as the eye cannot see God, neither can it see the Beautiful and the Good. Both are integral parts of God, they…”

p. 260: SPIRIT = GOD = NOETIC = NOUS = hearing the sound of the sphere 9 when you are in sphere 8:

“This is what the powers in me are shouting: they praise the All. They fulfill your will, for your will comes from you and returns to you, the All.

“Accept from all a verbal offering. Life: preserve the All that is in us!

“Light [David Ulansey’s Mithras and the Hypercosmic Sun, http://www.mysterium.com/hypercosmic.html] that is spirit and God: illuminate it!

“For the nous [sphere 9] guides your logos, you who carries the spirit and who are the maker of the world.”

p. 258 Hanegraaff is highly confusing, about levels, “the Ogdoad above the heimarmene” – p. 258, Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity, by Wouter Hanegraaff, 2022 ; which sphere = rebirth; swhere which sphere # = cosmos; which sphere # = singing the song on high; whcih sphere # do you HEAR the song that is Sung on the above sphere above that sphere!

“it is clearly implied that whereas Hermes can hear the powers [singers who are on sphere 8] because he has already made his ascent to the Ogdoad [sphere 8], at least temporarily, Tat has not yet made that ascent [to sphere 8] and therefore still cannot hear them directly [ambig! indirectly, b/c singers are in sphere 9]. To understand what is happening as the hymn unfolds,”

sphere 9 = singers

sphere 8 = Hermes, who can hear sphere 9, and hermes sings.

sphere 7 = Tat, who hears the singing of Hermes who is in sphere 8.

— Michael Hoffman, BSEE, able to count to 9 unlike Wouter Hanegraaff

fixed stars define sphere 8 ogdoad. fixed stars = fate. therefore, against Hanegraaff , Ogdoad = Fate. If tat is reborn into Ogdoad, Tat is reborn into fate, not yet into sphere 9 above Fate.

per the Egodeath theory model of Psilocybin transformation, rebirth and purification is FIRST into Eternalism, and after that , the 2nd phase of rebirth is into transcendent possibilism, above eternalism.

Ogdoad = sphere 8 = initial rebirth to comply purely with Fate / eternalism ; soul (or, lower part of soul)

Ennead = sphere 9 = 2nd phase of rebirth, to rise above Fate/ eternalism ; spirit (or, higher part of soul)

intensively analyze the sphere #’s in this confused passage from p 259: Hanegraaff :

“that Tat gets the message.

“He may have to leave his physical body to actually hear the Ogdoadic [sic? ambig? enneadic?] hymn; but his new energetic body of rebirth already provides him limitless access to all the beauty and creative plenitude that is visually manifest in the cosmos. Having invited “everybody” to join him in the hymn, Hermes…”

back to p 260:

“the noetic energies respond to the invocation [from Hermes who is at sphere 8] and begin to sing [from sphere 9]. Not just that: they are positively shouting! Rather than sing along with them now, Hermes [who is in sphere 8] tells Tat [who is in sphere 7] what he is hearing: This is what the powers in me are shouting [who are in sphere 9]: they praise the All.”

Con’t Find of ‘spirit’, p. 268:

p 268: “the universal Spirit (Pneumatos) on which the universe depends.

“While this Spirit carries all things, keeps them alive and provides them with nourishment, still it is not the ultimate reality.

In its turn, it [spirit] depends upon “the holy fountain [uncontrollable source of control-thoughts] [tēs hagias pēgēs], eternally existing as a helper to spirits and a source of life for all [zōēs apasin aei huparchon], while yet being one.”

p 268 con’t: “The special importance of this passage lies in the fact that it focuses not on the divine nous [sphere 9] that dominates almost all of the literature in which Hermes plays the central role, but on a level [sphere 10] that is even beyond it. The nous [sphere 9] itself comes from an ultimate “fountain” or “source” [sphere 10 aka level 10, outside the cosmos – if ‘cosmos’ has any defined specific boundary / sphere #!] that is described, no fewer than three times, in deliberately paradoxical terms:

“it is the unique “noetic [sphere 10] light prior to the noetic [sphere 9] light,” “the nous [sphere 10] of the luminous nous [sphere 9],” and it “contains everything by its own nous and light and pneuma.”

“In short, there is a nous [sphere 10] beyond the nous [sphere 9]; we might perhaps say that it is that which appears as “noetic” to the nous itself, similar to how the nous is noetic for us.

“Although technically this makes it “hypernoetic,” the text does not bother to make such a distinction.

[like Hanegraaff does not bother to place fate-soaked fixed stars anywhere is his cosmos b/c the fixed stars of course would have to go int the rebirth-phase-1 sphere 8, my precious Ogdoad, & we can’t have that!]

“Agathos Daimo-n says that in an ultimate sense, absolutely nothing truly exists except this single (hyper)noetic source alone – “no God, no angel, no daimon, nor anything else.”

p 273 ebook: DO SPHERE-COUNTING!

  • [1-7] = Psilocybin session 1-7. Planets, archons, Fate. phases of purification.
  • [8] = Fate, Ogdoad, fixed stars, cosmos, soul (lower soul0, rebirth (phase 1; lower rebirth), visible cosmos. demiurge.
    • [9] = t’d Fate, Ennead, outside the cosmos, spirit (higher soul), rebirth phase 2, not visible. Nous. Spirit (lower spirit).
    • [10] = pege; source; uncontrollable source of control-thoughts. the high Creator, the true God. Logos.

p. 273, find of “spirit”:
“The process of dissolution and of “life vanishing into the invisible” is described in CH X: the life-giving spirit (pneuma) [9] withdraws from the body [7] into the soul [8], while the blood coagulates so that it can no longer flow through the arteries.

“Thus deprived of the pneuma’s [9] circulation, the body [7] stops moving and begins to fall apart.”

Too Many Arbitrary Constructs in Ancient Explanations, Prevents Useful Explanation

  • nous [9]
  • logos [10??] – now i have to halt research and chase after wtf cosmos sphere level is ‘logos’?
    DEFINE YOUR DAMN TIRESOME TERMINOLOGICAL DEGENERATE ORGY OF GNOSTIC CANCEROUS OVERGROWTH OF UNNEEDED GRATUITOUS MULTIPLICATION OF ENTITIES, ends up cancelling any potential of explanatory power.
  • soul [8]
  • pneuma [9]

I’ve got the Richard Carrier “Science in Antiquity” Blues.

All these junk needless unhelpful redundant terms. MADNESS! Commit it all to the flames!

Unconstrained proliferation of needless pseudo-explanatory terms.

When does “explanation” become “baffle them with bullsh!t and act like you’ve explained something? I can invent “explanatory” terms, a hundred of them.

Reminds me of psychedelic pseudo science:
“Neuroplasticity, ego dissolution, surrender.
THERE, WE EXPLAINED IT. Nod your head now.”

GODDAMNIT TOO FKKING MANY CONSTRUCTIONS! I HATE MYSTICISM! = confusion fabricated by confused people.

To do scholarship theory, you require strong stomach for disgustingly multiplying unnecesary constructs.

NEED OCKAM RAZOR!

Analogy abused to make complicated and unclear.

Analogy is SUPPOSED to be used to clarify and explain.

NOT MULTIPLY DUPLICATE CONSTRUCTS THAT ARE SUPERFLUOUS!

“Nous, logos, lower soul, higher soul, spirit, lower body, higher reborn body of soul-spirit” — JESUS F’KING– NEED A BIG SWORD to cut off all the overgrowth of WEEDS CONSTRUCTS OVERGROWTH.

Poor Hanegraaff resorts to “tables of equivalent constructs across 15 systems”, just to try to straighten out mapping of cosmos spheres 8, 9, & 10.

Dr Sledge: hermetica is a mess, see Phil instead.

UNHELPFUL! CONFUSING! hopeless to straighten out THEIR mess!

“During incarnation, the nous [9? 10?] had been safely enveloped all around by its logos [10], this logos [9?] in turn by the soul [8], and finally the soul [8] by the pneuma [9].

nous 9-10
body 7-8

“These protective layers were necessary because the physical body [7] cannot endure direct contact with the superior energy of the nous [9], whereas the nous [9] cannot tolerate direct contact with the impure bodily [7] passions either.34

“Now that the body [7] dissolves, the nous [9] can shed its envelopes.

“It replaces them by a fiery robe [9] of its own, which it could not wear during incarnation because even a tiny spark of it would have destroyed the physical body [7].35

“Making use of this shining vehicle, the nous [9] is now free from all constraints: “it moves around everywhere while leaving the soul [8] to the judgment and justice it deserves.” p 273

Hermetica: “Somewhat Conflicting” – Hanegraaff. You Don’t Say!

LOL Hanegraaff writes “somewhat conflicting“.

p. 274: “the nous [9] abandons the scene to go roaming the cosmos [10 in the broad sense] in its fiery vehicle, it leaves the soul [8] to “the judgment and justice it deserves.”

“Yet the Hermetica tell us remarkably little about the soul’s [8] afterlife, and even less about its pre-incarnational existence.44

“Putting the scant pieces of evidence together, it appears that the critical condition required for salvation [9] was not whether a person had achieved rebirth [into 8 then 9] or attained perfect gnōsis [9] but whether he or she had “passed the test of reverence.” [8 imo]

“This formulation appears in CH X and is defined there as “knowing the divine and harming no other human being.”45

“I have been emphasizing the central importance of eusebeia to Hermetic spirituality and want to stress it once again: we are not dealing with an arrogant elitism that reserves salvation for only the few, but with a spiritual [9[ perspective that placed the emphasis on an ethical life and would like to see the best for all human beings.46

“While the path of rebirth [8 then 9] and perfect gnōsis [9?] was certainly steep and demanding, every human being could live a life of reverence grounded in gratitude and respect for the beauty of the cosmos [8; 10 in broad sense] and concern for the well-being of others.

“About the fate of those who fail the test of reverence [stuck at sphere 7], we are given somewhat conflicting information.”

I hate the sloppy way the heremetic authors and therefore Hanegraaff carelessly writes: p 275 “continual transformation of all things in the cosmos, most of our treatises speak in general terms about”

WHAT SPHERE # = “IN THE COSMOS”?! For god sake, give the damn sphere # every time you say “in the cosmos” or “outside the cosmos”. Hanegraaff and all hermetic scholars do, and do not, do that: Hanegraaff book says definitely and wrongly: “the cosmos = 7 planet spheres, 1-7, and 0 Earth”. Hanegraaff writes definitely, explicitly, and WRONGLY, “sphere 8 ogdoad is outside the cosmos”.

Insanity: how can the fixed stars be “outside the cosmos”, since they are by far the most visible thing of the cosmos?! He doesn’t say fixed stars are outside the cosmos , he says “the Ogdoad – sphere 8 – is outside the cosmos”, and, he deletes the fixed stars from sphere 8. Madness!

A cosmic failure of a cosmos model that cannot place the fixed stars in sphere 8 which is defined by the fixed stars, the brightest most obvious thing in the sky.

All hermetic scholars dutifully follow suit: every other paragraph, they say cosmos = sphere 8, or cosmos = sphere 7.

Silent flip flop contradiction dance move. Hope no one notices.

The cosmos means 1-7,

and,

the cosmos means 1-8

and the cosmos means 1-10.

Now follow my explanation of ascension from 1 to 10 — while I show total sloppiness and COMPLETE radical INCONSISTENCY OF USING the phrase ‘THE COSMOS’.

REDEFINE ‘in the cosmos’ 8 times in each sentence.

Zilch attention to differentiating sphere # of “in the cosmos” vs. “outside the cosmos”.

One moment, ‘cosmos’ means 1-10; next moment, 1-7.

“in the cosmos” means “STUFF THAT IS, OR SORT OF IS, THAT IS GLORIOUS, AND FALLEN, AND THE BODY, AND HIGHER THAN SPIRIT, COSMOS COSMOS MEANS “STUFF”. It means “Is-ness”.

Now “in the cosmos” means sphere 1-7.

Now “in the cosmos” means sphere 1-8.

Now “in the cosmos” means sphere 0-9.

Now “in the cosmos” means sphere 0-10.

Per Dr. Justin Sledge, Hermetic writings are not Philosophy, this is pseudo-Philosophy styled make-stuff-up as you go, with sloppy folk writing.

It’s ancient Newage junk writing: Throw in some Science terms, a jumbled mess, call it a “spiritual ascent wisdom model”, self-contradictory mess marketed as “Revelation of Logos coherent truth”.

Quantum Mysticism, made-up sciency sounding mystical fwk of mental model transformation.

An incoherent, nonsensical model of mental model transformation.

Use the cosmos (per ancient Science) as a model for astral ascent mysticism, then totally botch the basic science, punt and delete all the fixed stars.

Here’s the wonderful Ogdoad (my precious), purged of all the fixed stars that DEFINED sphere 8 IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Madhouse nonsense!

What a pathetic sorry failure, see instead David Ulansey’s solution explaining Mithraism coherently, with no omitting of 99.99% of the night sky required. Total failure of a cosmos model.

MAXIMUM FAILURE DISASTER. TOTAL CATASTROPHE, Hanegraaff’s COSMOS BLOWS ITSELF UP IMMEDIATELY.

The ancient hermetic writers’ fake affectation of Phil styling, w/ no mental consistency or effort to be consistent.

p 277: “when their souls [8] rise up through the cosmic spheres [1-8] after the body’s [7] dissolution.”

p 277 demands intensive sphere-counting:

“attain gnōsis [8 & 9] already during embodiment [7] – and this is what the rebirth [8 then 9] was all about.

“As the “torments of matter” [7] had already been expelled and they were enjoying a pure [8] noetic body [probably 8 bc “noetic” = 9 but “body” = 7] free from the cosmic [8] constraints of time and space [8], there would be nothing left for them to surrender to the planetary [7] daimons [ruled by demiurge on 8].

“As a result, they would not even need to “rise up” through the spheres [7 planet + 8 fixed stars] in any literal or vertical sense, but could be up there in the Ogdoad [8 for soul lower rebirth / lower soul; 9 for spirit higher rebirth & higher soul] from one moment to the next, as will be seen.

“Before we turn to that culminating experience, we need to look at the nature of the levels of life in the Hermetic universe [8, or 10]:

“what exactly was meant by the Ogdoad [8] and the Ennead [9], and how did they relate to the ultimate Source? [10]

“From the perspective of human beings moving upwards, the lower levels [1-7] of life are rather unproblematic:

from pure matter at the very bottom [0, 1], the soul ascends through the seven planetary spheres [1-7] that together constitute the cosmos [sic!! on what basis, which texts, Hanegraaff, do you justify defining “the cosoms” as 7, rather than sphere 8??!! which yyou see fixed stars in 8 with visible eyes!], as delineated in CH I 25: the Moon, Mercury, Venus, the Sun, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn.

DO THE FIXED STARS NOT CONSTITUTE THE COSMOS (TOGETHER W THE 7 PLANET SPHERES)? AFTER ALL, FIXED STARS ARE “VISIBLE TO THE EYE”, AS YOU YOURSLF JUST WROTE n PAGES EARLIER!

[per Cyberdisciple: bad citation format, ambig! Yes, CH 1: 25 says the planet spheres in the cosmos are 7, moon – sat, – but does that text say that sphere 8 fixed stars visible sky is NOT in the cosmos?!

I have Litwa’s book 2025 Hermeetica 1 – NOWHERE DO hermetic TEXTS SAY “OGDOAD SPHERE 8 FIXED STARS IS OUTSIDE THE COSMOS”!

WTFF! NOT JUST INSANITY OF Hanegraaff ;

Every single muddle-headed Hermetic scholar goes insane right here, totally contradicting themselves in every other paragraph, & video script.]

“Much more difficult to understand are the three highest levels “above[sic] the cosmic[sic] framework” [nonsense confusion here from Hanegraaff!]: the Eighth or Ogdoad, the Ninth or Ennead, and finally that which I have referred to as the Source [10].

“The problem is that our dualistic consciousness leads us to imagine this triad [8, 9, 10 – but he should be only talking about 9 & 10, if he is truly talking about “above the cosmos”] in spatial terms, as three vertical levels stacked on top of the cosmos [sic; he is thinking of just sphere 1-7 within the actually 8-sphere cosmos].

“Hence we think of the soul [lower: 8; higher: 9] as leaving the cosmic [he thinks 7; he should think 8] domain, traveling upward through the Ogdoadic sphere [he thinks 8 is above cosmos, but it is not] then leaving it again [he’s saying: leaving 7 = exiting cosmos AND leaving 8 = exiting cosmos] to enter the higher Enneadic [9] sphere, and finally [spirit, or higher soul] coming to rest there while gazing up to the highest level [10] above it [9].

“In picturing the process this way, we forget [translation: I am completely confused about 8 and where to put the visible fixed stars] that the very conditions of space and time pertained strictly to the seven-leveled [SIC! what text says the cosmos has 7 (not 8) spheres!?! CITATION NEEDED!] cosmos, not to hypercosmic {8}[9] reality.

[sail by the light of David Ulansey here: ‘hypercosmic’ means 9, NOT 8!]

“From the nondualist perspective of the one and only Source [10], our spatial [8] imagination is a mere concession to our limited understanding.”

ie, “to my limited understanding.”

/ ends on ebook page 278

Gross Misuse of ‘Hypercosmic’

Notation:
{7} = what Hanegraaff is thinking in his delusion/ confusion;
[8] = actual sphere numbering.

Hanegraaff misuses the word ‘hypercosmic’ to mean sphere 8 (fixed stars) and 9 and 10.

The result is too confusing and garbled to analyze.

Hanegraaff needs to burn it [the key passages] and start over, like David Ulansey’s solution explaining Mithraism:

Don’t say ‘hypercosmic’ except where you mean sphere 9 or 10, above the MAIN cosmic sphere, which is sphere 8 fixed stars!

As surely as looking at the sky! This couldn’t be more obvious!

Hopeless trainwreck trash heap, I’d have to rewrite the key passages of his book, better than trying to sort out his confusion.

I can’t take it, watch Star Wars with Darth Wouter “Star Destroyer” Hanegraaff:

Wouter Hanegraaff, high on his non-drug entheogens, can’t count to 8:

“Whether the fixed stars should be included [with Saturn, sphere 7] or should rather be associated with the Ogdoad [sphere 8] remains an open question for me.” – p. 294, footnote 114, Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity, by Wouter Hanegraaff, 2022

p 278: “Thus it is not out of obscurity but because they wanted to be precise,

How about YOU be precise about where the sphere number 8 came from (fixed stars), and whether or not sphere 8 Ogdoad fixed stars is in the cosmos or not?

Since the fixed stars are the most visible thing in the world, FAR MORE visible than the 7 planets, the cosmos INCLUDES sphere 8 which is by definition, as a simplest of givens, where the fixed stars are, since fixed stars are definitive of sphere 8, and as backdrop against which 5 planets wander.

“The cosmic framework” cannot possibly mean anything other than fixed stars, which define sphere 8 , which is Ogdoad, which is Fatedness/ Heimarmene, which is the destination of rebirth part 1.

Sphere 8 is in the cosmos. Soul (sometimes “lower soul”.

Sphere 9 Ennead is rebirth part two , spirit, outside the cosmos. (Sometimes “the higher portion of the soul”.)

Sloppy Hermetic writers are poor at thinking and writing: Perverse! decadent!

They strive to obfuscate and confuse!

  • lower body [7]
  • higher body [8]; lower soul [8]
  • higher soul [9]; lower spirit [9]
  • higher spirit [10]

“that our authors are struggling so hard to convey some sense of perfect gnōsis through the imperfect medium of logos – an instrument that, unlike nous, simply cannot “get as far as the truth.”

Suggestion Hanegraaff: try Math instead of Language: learn to count sphere numbers:

The fixed stars are ALWAYS numbered as sphere 8.
Saturn is ALWAYS numbered as sphere 7.

The phrase “in the cosmos” is always used without definition by ancient and modern writers to mean 7/8/9/10.

Always say the phrase “in the cosmos” and “outside the cosmos” with a tone of confident assurance, while freely redefining it so that fixed stars sphere 8 flips and slips – one moment it’s “in the cosmos”, next it’s “outside the cosmos”.

I haven’t seen such slip-n-slide shell game since entheogen scholarship re: “sacred mushrooms” (a totally bogus and disproved fake category invented to try to force real Psilocybin and mythic Amanita to be the same thing, and to lump in ergot, to boot).

“sacred fungus”, sacred produce of bull sh!t!

What does “in the cosmos” mean? Make it up as you go. Now sphere 7, now 8, now 9, now 10, now back to meaning 7 again.

What does “outside the cosmos” mean? Make it up as you go. Now sphere 8, now 9, now 10, now back to meaning 8 again.

p 279: Hanegraaff DOES try math and proper tracking.

“The Hermetica talk about the supra-cosmic triad in terminologies that reflect Egyptian and Platonic-Neopythagorean backgrounds and can be highly confusing.

“In Table 9.1, I make a rough attempt at listing the main equivalences, based on the primary sources combined with interpretations provided by [Jean-Pierre] Mahé and [Christian] Bull.

“The [table] columns on the right refer to two parallel systems which according to Iamblichus were explained by Hermes in what he refers to as his “20.000” or even “36.525” books.

Table 9.1: The supracosmic Triad”

his table has rows for cosmos spheres / levels 10, 9, & 8.
I would add my column saying the correct understanding of each sphere.

  • 10 Decan?
  • 9 Ennead
  • 8 Ogdoad

p. 279: “CH I we read that as the seven primal humans were born, “life became soul and light became nous.”66

“Keeping in mind that Hermes perceived the Nous (Poimandres) as a boundless expanse of lovable light,67 this makes it reasonable to assume that a human’s nous is linked to the Ennead and his or her life-force to the Ogdoad (while in addition, Light and Life were probably gendered as the male and female aspect of the androgynous nous).

“If so, the Ogdoad [8] becomes the realm of individual living souls, while the Ennead [9] is the boundless noetic [9] realm of Light [9] beyond individuality.68

“They are united insofar as only noetic [9] souls [usu 8, sometimes 9 if we mean higher part of soul] can reach the Ogdoad [8], but can be distinguished insofar as these souls are [p 281] looking “up” from there [8] to the Ennead: [9] living entities gazing at the Light. [9]”

Need Notation: What Sphere #s Hanegraaff Wrongly Is Thinking, vs. Correct Numbering, eg:
in the fate-ruled cosmos {7}[8]
ie he thinks sphere 7, it’s actually 8

{7}[8] notation invented by Michael Hoffman 12:10 noon apr 19 2025

p282 in ebook of Wouter Hanegraaff 2022: I am continuing Find on “spirit” but I am slowing down at these pages about Rebirth.
“Furthermore, Mahé provides no clear evidence for his belief that Tat’s rebirth occurs in the Ogdoad and the Ennead;”

What aspect of Mahe’s reading is Hanegraaff disagreeing with?

I think Hanegraaff says Mahe misinterprets the text as discussing the soul’s journey after bodily literal death. I think Hanegraaff (ironically) emphasizes the mundane desert here, in order to switch away from Mahe’s assumed reading of the text as if the text is armchair speculation about the soul’s afterlife journey after death.

Hanegraaff is re-framing the ancient text as a guide for altered state ascent now, in the desert.

en d of page 282 ebook: “rebirth experience, The Ogdoad and the Ennead describes something new and different: a direct experience of supra-cosmic realities that was possible only for those who had already become the aiōn.”

aion = [sphere 9 or 10] – can I place it exactly in 9 or 10?

Hanegraaff is fighting against psychedelics deniers – that’s not my fight. His objections are confusing becase orthogonal to my concerns and assumptions.

The genre question: I am alientated from the messa masses b/c the masses are fighting over the genre question, but for me it is finished and over. Conclusion: The genre of religious wrigings writings is:

Religious writings are analogies describing Psilocybin transformation.

OBVIOUSLY it’s a simple given that these texts are Psilocybin transformation analogies.

Hanegraaff is busy fighting a battle (against Mahe) that was done 20 years ago, from my POV. I criticize Hanegraaff from the other side: Hanegraaff UNDEREMPHASIZES and underestimates how much religious texts are about Psilocybin transformation, NOT bodily afterlife.

ebook p 110: “Remembering Plutarch’s remarks about the effects of kuphi incense on the imaginative faculty,137 one would like to know more about the “drugs” or “potions” mentioned twice in this same passage,138 but Iamblichus does not spill any entheogenic secrets. What he does make clear is that, like ritual possession trance in many other periods and cultural contexts, the essential purpose of theurgy was healing. We have seen that the descent into…”

Develop a keyboard shortcut:
“one would like to know more about the “drugs” or “potions” mentioned twice in this same passage, but Iamblichus does not spill any entheogenic secrets.” – ebook p. 110, in Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity (Wouter Hanegraaff, 2022) https://egodeaththeory.org/2022/07/14/hermetic-spirituality-and-the-historical-imagination-altered-states-of-knowledge-in-late-antiquity-hanegraaff/ & https://www.amazon.com/Hermetic-Spirituality-Historical-Imagination-Knowledge/dp/1009123068/

“one would like to know more about the “drugs” or “potions” mentioned twice in this same passage, but Iamblichus does not spill any entheogenic secrets.” – Hanegraaff, Hermetic Spirituality & Altered States
en-se

Returning to Find of “spirit”… (76 hits in ebook) ~~ did i hit p 296? no.

Against Hanegraaff’s appeasement baloney academic dance moves, you can see his real belief above.

The trauma reported by Jessica Nathanson (bothand youtube channel) with Tim Freke, shows that Advaita non-drug meditation can break and harm egoic thinking, in a way that Ken Wilber warns about in 1977-1985 books: instead of

dis-identify, embrace, and include childhood mental developmental structures, badly framed Advaita doctrine can just destroy the earlier development structures (egoic thinking), producing mere catestrophic disintegration that Ken Wilber warned against.

Falling down into a shattered “pre ego” state of cognitive structural development, not the Marketing-promised TRANSCENDING of child ego development accomplishment, by “dis-identify, embrace, and include” that Wilber advocates, guiding the way to actual transcending of child-mode ego thinking.

So, meditation “can” produce Psilocybin effects. Still, the proper normal way is Psilocybin as the gold standard reference.

  1. Mahe assumes texts are literal afterlife soul journey philosophy.
  2. Hanegraaff battles against Mahe, asserting “The texts are about the entheogenic altered state that is like Psilocybin transformation right now, during life.” [Hanegraaff strongly implies he knows the truth: he wrote “the heremetic author doesn’t spill any beans about the entheogen” need exact quote]. Hanegraaff tries to fence-sit, both asserting the entheogen theory, and backpedalling with his bullshit about “a zillion non-drug methods can/ could/ might/ may produce same as two bowls of Cubensis.” Hanegraaff signs onto the usual AGREED LIE OF THE ACADEMICS, their drug-war-era phony academic construct, “the traditional non-drug methods of the mystics”. Hanegraaff tries to play both strategies: “They used entheogens, obviously, don’t be thick”, and “Countless other methods are the same as entheogens.”
  3. I criticize Hanegraaff: Cut the non-drug apologetics! The intense mystic altered state was exclusively from Psilocybin, b/c only Psilocybin is consistent and strong.

p. 284 ebook: “the rebirth results in an embodied state of cosmic consciousness, it does not give access automatically to hypercosmic realities beyond the seven planetary spheres [sic, hypercosmic = sphere 9+, not 8+]. In NH VI6 we read how Hermes and an unnamed pupil – although we do not know for sure, I will follow Christian Bull’s example and call him Tat79 – take the next and final step of entering the Ogdoad [8] and perceiving the Ennead [9] as it flows forth from the Source [10].”

resume here: Find “spirit” in ebook:

p. 285: “his brothers and honors them properly, as fits the beauty of the rebirth.87

“As they were born again, Hermes has given each of them a new name.88

“They are pneumatics [9] now, spiritual [9] entities; they exist as immortal [9] energies that have the power to nourish other souls and make them grow.89

“As Tat is convinced by this explanation and wants to move on to the prayer that will initiate the Ogdoadic [8: reveal Fatedness; rebirth of soul into pure Eternalism] and Enneading [9: reveal transcending Fatedness; rebirth of spirit above Fatedness] revelation,90 Hermes tells him

“Child, let us pray to the Father of the All [10], together with your brothers who are my sons, that he may grant his pneuma [9] so that I may speak.”91

“The significance of this statement lies in the suggestion that those brothers are therefore physically present with them.92

“This makes NH VI6 into something quite different from CH XIII: not the description of a rebirth experience that happens unexpectedly and involves just Hermes and Tat,”

p. 288 ebook: “Tat is now ready to take the plunge, he restates what is about to happen. They will pray to God [10] that he may grant his power [dunamis],96 so that Hermes can transmit this noetic [9] energy to Tat by means of his voice. This divine force is called “the gift of the Ogdoad [8],”97 and Hermes repeats once more that each of them will have his own role to play: “Your job is to noeticize [9], mine is to be able to express the logos [9?] from the Source [10] that wells up in me.”98”

todo: is Logos = sphere 9? Find logos in ebook.

“I call upon you [10] who rules over the kingdom of power, whose Logos [9?] is an offspring of Light, whose words are immortal, eternal and immutable, whose will produces the life of images everywhere, whose nature [phusis] gives form [morphē] to essence [ousia], from whom souls [8] … and angels [9] are put into motion …. to all who exist, whose providence extends to everyone … who brings forth everyone, who has divided the aiōn [9?] among the spirits [9], who has fashioned everything, who has himself inside himself, carrying all things in his fullness.100

“These first sentences are addressed to the supreme Hermetic triad.101

“The ultimate Source [10] rules over the kingdom of power, which must be the Ennead [9], the domain of noetic [9] powers.

“We have seen that the Ennead [9] is Light [9] and brings forth the Logos [9?], the producer of superior “immortal, eternal and immutable” words – these I take to be the “sounds full of power”…” end of p 288

p 289: “The Source [10] has also given birth to the life of images everywhere, which I assume must mean the aiōn [9?] , God’s “incorporeal imagination” filled with noēmata [9] .

“By giving form to essences, the Source [10] has finally given birth to the living souls [8] and angels [9] that are moving in the Ogdoad [8].

[is Hanegraaff correct that angels are in sphere 8? i’d guess angels = sphere 9]

“All these entities together constitute the unitary divine fullness of true reality, the God who is All in All.

“Now that the divine triad [10, 9, & 8] has been properly invoked, the prayer moves on to its crucial middle part, culminating in an impressive series of vowels and nomina”

Problem! “the cosmic domain (7 planetary spheres)”? Citation Needed! Why Does Not the “Cosmic” Domain Include the Zillion Fixed Stars that Blind the Night? ie, include sphere 8!

Given Hanegraaff’s confusion and self-contradiction and nonsensical notion of “the cosmos” as if excluding fixed stars, cannot know proper level sphere in which to place “life” – offhand, I guess “life” = sphere 8, not 7!

Also he says “hypercosmic” but guaranteed trainwreck errors there, his concept of cosmic and hypercosmic is WRONG. If words mean anything!

‘Cosmic’ MUST mean sphere 8, NOT 7, and if ancients said 7, they have mashed potatoes for brains, it’s sheer nonsense!

‘hypercosmic’ therefore MUST mean sphere 9, NOT sphere 8!

This is a consistent error vexing the entire book, wrecking Hanegraaff’s entire cosmos model and uindersn understanding of the nature of rebirth.

Proof that this book is a confused disaster failed model of rebirth in relation to eternalism / heimarmene: Wouter Hanegraaff CANNOT PLACE THE FATE-SOAKED FIXED STARS INTO THEIR SPOT, THE OGDOAD, SPHERE 8. Admitted by infamous footnote 114.

In fact rebirth part 1 is first of the soul into sphere 8 fixed stars pure Heimarmene, which is cosmic, not hypercosmic.

You CANNOT be reborn into above-Fate, until after you (the soul) are purified by pure 100% Fatedness; heimarmene-conformity of thinking.

Then part 2 of rebirth is of the spirit (sometimes “higher soul”) into the actually hypercosmic sphere 9, which means, transcend eternalism/ Heimarmene/ Fatedness; leaving prison rock trap enslavement, born (only then) out from the Fate-ruled cosmos rock.

See his coming up admission:
“Whether the fixed stars should be included [with Saturn, sphere 7] or should rather be associated with the Ogdoad [sphere 8] remains an open question for me.” – p. 294, footnote 114, Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity, by Wouter Hanegraaff, 2022

Hanegraaff 1 Time Does Proper Explicit Sphere-Counting, writing: “true life in the Ennead (9), the ultimate noetic reality”

p. 291: ““life” [7] was associated with the cosmic domain (7 planetary spheres) while so-called “death” was understood as true life in the Ennead (9) [9], the ultimate noetic [9] reality of eternal Light [9].

re: light, see David Ulansey’s Mithras and the Hypercosmic Sun, http://www.mysterium.com/hypercosmic.html — he PROPERLY uses the term ‘hypercosmic’, defined intelligently and coherently and science-conformant, ‘hypercosmic’ means sphere 9. NOT sphere 8!! Ulansey doesn’t shipwreck his cosmos model in Hanegraaff’s the vain and futile preconception that desiring rebirth into Ogdoad can’t possibly mean desiring to rebirth into the headquarters of fate-soaked fixed stars Heimarmene in sphere 8 my precious Ogdoad.

Hanegraaff demonizes and represses Fatedness, blowing up his system model into insane nonsense.

Hanegraaff constructs a Yaldabaoth malformed story of rebirth that doesn’t make any sense and conflicts with the psychedelic revelation of eternalism, lift lid of snake basket to purify-to-death the child-thinking.

p. 291 con’t:

“This also helps explain a peculiar passage later on in our text, when Tat seems to falter for a moment and Hermes tells him to “return to the death-state.”106 Rather than slipping back into his habitual clouded state of consciousness “under the sway”

Musical Argument for the Superiority of the Egodeath Theory’s Model of Astral Ascent Mysticism

Musical arg for superiority of the Egodeath theory model of astral ascent mysticism: the octave is perfect.

What use is a scale of 7 tones, if you lack the octave as part of the scale?

Hanegraaff can’t do that, because he demonizes and severs the 7 from sphere 8.

In fact the 7 spheres go along with sphere 8, forming together the cosmos.

7 notes of scale AND the octave, note 8.

That is musical.

Not severing note 8 as Hanegraaff does unmusically w/o ability to achieve resolution.

p 292: “just one possibility among a much wider range of musical scales that were current in antiquity.112

“Since we do not know which one(s) would have been used by Hermetic practitioners, all we can say with confidence is that the scale would run from omega (Saturn) [7] as the lowest tone to alpha (Moon) [1] as the highest.

DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?! The octave, 8, is missing. 7 tone scale has 7 tones but you should mention the octave, 8.

“In trying to reconstruct the invocation on this basis, I would call attention to a parallel scenario attributed to the second-century Valentinian teacher Marcus:

“The first heaven [1? 7?] utters the A, the one after it E, the third Ē, the fourth, which is in the middle of the seven, utters the power [dunamin] [sphere 10?] I, the fifth O, the sixth U, and the seventh, which is the fourth from the middle, expresses the Ō. …

“All these powers, … when lined up to one another, sound forth the praises of him by whom they were brought forth. The glory of this sound is sent up again to the Forefather. The echo [ēchon]”

p. 293:

“Hermes and Tat are chanting the expanding series of seven successive vowels as their consciousness ascends ever more slowly and ever more powerfully from the sphere of the Moon [1, highest tone] towards the sphere of Saturn [7, lowest tone].

“At each step they receive a response, as their chant is echoed by a longer and progressively more powerful sound that is understood to be coming down to them from the seventh sphere [7].

not sure why he specifies 7th here

“We may assume that in actual practice, the brethren around them would be giving voice to this echo by chanting the omegas at a low pitch, and the volume of singing would get louder as the invocation progressed.”

sounds like crappy music. Good music would finally arrive at the octave, 8; not dangling unresolved on note 7 of the scale. consdier:

If sung in increasing pitch as if moving from Sat to Moon:

Sing the self-control agencyle
Sing the major scale from high note to low note:

lah[<- octave; fixed stars], lah, lah, lah,
lah, lah, lah, lah.<– root

That song makes sense: start with the stationary 26,000-year fixed stars octave high pitch: Lah! Now sing the 7 scale notes from high to low, terminating with the root, matching the fixed stars octave pitch.

Next, suppose you do not start with the octave pitch, but start by singing the 7th note:

lah[<- octave; fixed stars], lah, lah, lah,
lah, lah, lah, lah.<– root

Fkk, how can you even START to sing the scale if you do not start by singing the Octave of the root! You would have to somehow START on the unmusical, un-framed, 7th note of the octave.

This un-musical musical proposition sounds impossible to sing!

Musical nonsense from Hanegraaff.

You would have to start by singing a wretched, worst-case, dissonant, 7th note of the scale, out of the blue, with no statement of the root pitch (ie at the octave), first.

It’s as impossible as a “cosmos” with no fixed stars! Painful to listen to! Sing with me, NOT starting up high at the octave (just IMAGINE that base pitch silently): now, the first sound out of your mouth is horrible 7th note of scale!

very hard to hit that note! out of the blue w/ no base-pitch established first! Dissonant AF! very difficult to sing!

But, if you simply start high w/ the octave (= sphere of the fixed stars), it is EASY to sing the scale, musically, easily, pleasant sound.

Why start w/ slowest planet? Why not start w/ fixed stars which is even slower than the slowest planet, per well established in 130 B C by Hipparchus, now in the Hermetic era of 150 AD, there has been three hundred years of ancient science having known about the precession of the equinoxes. Everyone knew by 150 AD that the sphere of the fixed stars rotates in 26,000 years, compared to Saturn in 29 years.

I do not trust Hanegraaff’s model of music here. His proposition sounds dissonant, is very difficult to sing, and conflicts with well established ancient cosmology. if you sing these 7 scale notes starting somehow (good luck) with 7th note, it SCREAMS out “please for God sake start w/ the high octave instead!! for the love of God and musical harmony!”

Hanegraaff’s music is as ugly & dissonant as his stars-repressed broken cosmos failed model. I say, start singing the octave fixed stars, and …

[my logic has problem, rewrite the above]

  • Do [7; Sat]
  • Re [6; Jup]
  • Mi [5; Mars]
  • Fa [4; Sun]
  • So [3; Ven]
  • La [2; Mer]
  • Ti [1; Moo]
  • Do [0, Earth]

Sing from high note at top, to low root at bottom, but do not sing the octave, “earth” at the start:

  • Do [0, Earth] silent octave, start here silently singing the high octave
  • Ti [1; Moo] – good luck hitting this note, the 7th note of scale, as your 1st voiced note!
  • La [2; Mer]
  • So [3; Ven]
  • Fa [4; Sun]
  • Mi [5; Mars]
  • Re [6; Jup]
  • Do [7; Sat] ROOT

Musically incoherent. They sing from which note to which note?

reverse it b/c moon is fast, staurn slow:

this means you start with which pitch?

“Having finally arrived at the level of Saturn, the voices coming “from below” would join those “above,” as all participants would now be chanting the same vowel ō on the same pitch.114 From a spatial point of view, this upward movement through the spheres can be pictured visually as in Table 9.3.”

p. 295: “the altered state was further enhanced by inhalation of kuphi incense.117

“In the pregnant silence that follows the invocation, Hermes now prays directly to the ultimate unbegotten Source [10] itself, asking it to send down its power [10] (dunamis) that will grant wisdom (sophia) [9?], so that he and Tat will be able to share their experience of the Ogdoad [8] and the Ennead [9].118

“Having walked the path of reverence (eusebeia), he says, they have now reached the hebdomad [7], the seventh sphere of Saturn [7].119

Error! Nonsense use of the word ‘hypercosmic’ to mean the zillion-stars level of sphere 8: So, the stars are “hypercosmic”?

Insane NONSENSE!

Citation needed! But there isn’t any, I have the books, and the videos repeat the same self-contradictory, inconsistent, prevaricating NONSENSE!

Which hermetic text says that sphere 8 is “hypercosmic”? How coudl a text descrcribe the million fixed stars as being “outisde” the cosmos, in 150 AD, given that 130 B C discovered precession of the equinoxes and that’s how very very well established the idea that the fixed stars (sphere 8) are the sphere above Saturn (sphere 7).

EVERYONE knew for HUNDREDS of years, that fixed stars define sphere 8, OF, not “ABOVE” the cosmos!! This is the simplest of givens, ask every schoolboy from 130 B C to 150 AD: every one answers, are you stupid? The cosmos up in the sky is zillion stars, at sphere 8, with 5 planet spheres that are closer. That thing up there, the stars, zillion stars, that thing is the cosmos, that is sphere 8. Spere 8 is the cosmos.

Where the hell does Hanegraaff and the other confused heremetic scaholrs pick up this insane notion of saying “the cosmos has 7 spheres”. CITATION NEEDED!

WHAT HERMETIC TEXT SAYS “THE COSMOS HAS 7 SPHERES NOT 8”??????

WHAT HERMETIC TEXT SAYS THAT SPHERE 8, CONTAINING FIXED STARS AND DEFINED BY THE FIXED STARS, IS SOMEHOW “OUTSIDE THE COSMOS”?!

Answer: NONE! WHAT THE FKKING HELL, SCHOLARS? INSANITY! This doesn’t make any sense AT ALL!

Yes, we can write “the 7 planetary spheres of the cosmos”, but that does NOT mean that sphere 8 (containing fixed stars) is is somehow, nonsensically, “outside the cosmos”.

The Hermetic scholars’ defense: “In every other paragraph, we say sphere 8 = fate-soaked fixed stars — against what we say in the alternating paragraphs, that the cosmos has 7 spheres, and sphere 8 is outside the cosmos.”

Apparently, words have no meaning, if you are a scholar of Hermetism.

For a breath of sanity, retreat into:

STRUCTURE OF EBOOK: THE FOOTNOTES WERE CONVERTED TO END-OF-CHAPTER ENDNOTES. eg: ebook page 293 cites footnote 114, and 114 is placed on page 307. In print book, p 294 cites 114, and 114 is at bottom of p 294.

copied from ebook, with my sphere-# tracker added:
“114 While Mahé assumes that the omegas represent the Ogdoad [8], my interpretation confirms Bull’s argument (Bull, Tradition, 334–353, reached by an entirely different route) that they refer to Saturn [7] (to which Bull adds that they also represent the Decans [10?]: ibid., 337–339). Whether the fixed stars [8] should be included [with Saturn [7]] or should rather be associated with the Ogdoad [8] remains an open question for me.”

Not an open question for any schoolboy from 130 B C to 150 AD. It is the simplest of givens: fixed stars define sphere 8, the cosmos boundary.

Simply look up in the sky, which apparently Hanegraaff & Hermetic scholars has never done: that thing you see, the array of zillion lights, is fixed stars; aka, THE COSMOS, sphere 8.

There is nothing even slightly “open question” about this, and there is no Hermetic text that says otherwise unless you bring so much abstracted confusion that when ancients write “the 7 spheres of the cosmos” you wrongly think — while staring down at your shoes — “That means that sphere 8, my precious Ogdoad, is outside the cosmos.”

If looking at the sky has any meaning at all, “the cosmos” consists of the 7 planetary spheres AND fixed stars (sphere 8, Ogdoad). Or words don’t mean anything. No Hermetic text contradicts this.

Writing “hypercosmic Ogdoad” is lunatic asylum.

Hanegraaff might as well say “The stars up in the night sky are outside the cosmos.” WHAT?!

The stars up in the night sky are outside the cosmos.

Wouter Hanegraaff, high on his non-drug entheogens

p 295 con’t: THE INSANITY CONTINUES:

“, they have now reached the hebdomad [7], the seventh sphere of Saturn [7].119

“Therefore[sic] their consciousness is still within the cosmic[sic] {7}[8] domain, but they are ready to move beyond[sic] it.

“By singing their hymn of praise, the Hermetic practitioners have been sending up “a reflection [or imprint, tupos] of the fullness [plēroma].”120

Insanity: “The 7 Cosmic Spheres” – Citation Needed! “The 7 Planetary Spheres of the Cosmos” Would Make Sense

the plenitude of the seven cosmic spheres

“I assume that this formulation refers to the vowel sequence which, as we have seen, represents the plenitude of the seven cosmic spheres[sic] .121

CITATION NEEDED! What Hermetic text says that there are seven, not eight, cosmic spheres?

Answer: None! No text says that nonsense!

A Hermetic text might say “the 7 planetary spheres of the cosmos“, which is valid, but that in no way means the utterly nonsensical claim that somehow the sphere of the fixed stars [8, Ogdoad] is “outside the cosmos”, or that the cosmos consists ONLY of the 7 planetary spheres.

As plain as night sky zillion stars, the cosmos PLAINLY consists of EIGHT spheres.

Scholars are lost in their abstractions, need grounding in plain reality and sense.

Go for a walk, look at the sky.

Tell me sphere 8 is “outside the cosmos”, but where then do you put the stars, ARE YOU SAYING THE STARS ARE OUTSIDE THE COSMOS?!

YES: Coming up, notorious section heading “Beyond the stars”, meaning, beyond the stars, of which there are 5, plus sun & moon.

He should head the section, “BEYOND THE STARS OF THE COSMOS, WHICH ARE 7”.

BEYOND THE STARS OF THE COSMOS, OF WHICH THERE ARE SEVEN

🤯🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️😵‍💫💥🌌🪨🪨🪨

WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON, Hanegraaff, PLANET “NON-DRUG ENTHEOGENS”

p 295 con’t:

“The human voices from down below have the effect of carrying pneumatic [9] energy from the cosmos {7}[8] upwards towards the hypercosmic {8, 9, 10}[9, 10] levels.

“In order for Tat to actually perceive the vision (theōria) that will show him the image (eikōn) of the truth, the Source [10] must respond to the invocation by sending down its own luminous spirit (pneuma) [9]. As this downward stream of divine pneumatic [9] energy meets the upward stream of “eloquent pneuma, [9]” the latter will be ignited as by a spark of fire, thereby illuminating the practitioners’ nous [9] and give them divine gnōsis [9].122

put “divine gnosis” at eternalism sphere 8, or in “transcend eternalism” sphere 9??

Lately I think basic eternalism is unsufficient to model enlightenment (Psilocybin transformation, completion of initiation of Late Antiquity psychospiritual development), and in some key major sense mental model transformation MUST include some type of “transcend eternalism” or isn’t worth the Late Antiquity designation of “Gnosis” as used in 150 AD.

We have to decide whether to use Classical Antiquity Mystery Religions and symposia as the model, and ancient Greek myth; or, use Late Antiquity as the model. It is curticial crucial to have both models — and differentiate them. That’s the only adequate model; that is a hard requirement, so, that amounts to favoring Late Antiquity as the Reference for myth & astral ascent mysticism — NOT earlier, Classical Antiquity.

The Egodeath Theory’s Model of Astral Ascent Mysticism (mapped to Psilocybin mental model transformation) Must Model Late Antiquity, not Classical Antiquity, as the Reference Standard to Model & Map To

295 cont’

“In other words, the noetic [9] potential of the pneuma [9] carried upward by chanting must be activated by the superior divine pneuma[9-10], the energetic power (dunamis)[10] that responds from above.

“Exactly this is what Hermes must have meant at the outset, when he invited Tat to pray to “the Father [10] of All … that he may grant his pneuma[9-10] so that I may speak.”123

“The vowel song has brought spiritual [9] father and son together in a hypnotic altered state of intimate energetic rapport.

“This condition enables Hermes to receive power [10-9] “from the Source [10] that wells up in [him]” so that he can pass it on to Tat, whose nous [9] will thereby be opened to the vision of truth.124

“As Hermes concludes his prayer, he makes sure to give all credit for what is about to happen to the Unbegotten Source[10] from which all things have come.

AGGHJ bad writing, DO NOT USE THE WORD “IT”. NAME THE THING DIRECTLY! AMBIG! DON’T MAKE ME SORT OUT YOUR MESS AND GUESS WHAT YOUR POINTER-TO-POINTER INDIRECTLY REFERS TO

“IT …. IT …. IT…” what are you referring to???

“Ultimately [10], it [ie Source? 10] is the one sovereign active force[10] on which all else [0-9] depends entirely, as it [ie Source? 10] has brought forth both the Self-Begotten (the Ennead [9]) and the Begotten (the Ogdoad [8]), as well as everything else that has” end of p 295. 296: “been generated and filled with soul [8].125

“This sovereign Source [10], also known as the One [10], is now asked to accept these “verbal offerings” (logikē thusia) that the practitioners have sent up with all their heart [7?], all their soul [8], and all their power [9?].

“In response, may he grant them immortal wisdom.126

Cosmic-size GROAN, here it comes:

Beyond the Stars*

*of which there are 5, or as many as 7, if you count Sun & moon.

Fixed stars? Whether the fixed stars should be included with Saturn (sphere 7) or should rather be associated with the Ogdoad (sphere 8) remains an open question for me.

So we’ll just look at the sky, count the stars, and say it’s 5.“

Hermetic Lobotomy (Cybermonk Ramones)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjYqcwaklo —

Lobotomy
Lobotomy
Lobotomy
Lobotomy

Non-drug entheogenic practices in the wide sense did a job on me
Now I am a real sickie
Guess I’ll have to break the news
That I got no mind to lose
All the girls are in love with me
I’m a teenage lobotomy

Fate-soaked stars are after me
D.D.T. keeps me happy
Now I guess I’ll have to tell ’em
That I got no cerebellum
Gonna get my Ph.D in History of Hermetic Philosophy
I’m a teenage lobotomy

— Ramones Cybermonk 1977/2025

p. 296:

“As Hermes has completed his prayer, he turns towards Tat with the words “my child, let us embrace”

“From this moment on, we will be witnessing an extraordinary ecstatic experience: all of a sudden, Tat’s consciousness is opened up to the hypercosmic {8, 9, 10}[9, 10] realms”

“Hermes’ and Tat’s consciousness has been lifted high up into the seventh cosmic sphere [7], and in this elevated condition they now feel the pneumatic [9] stream of noetic [9] Light energies from the Ennead [9] coming down to them and igniting their own noetic [9] capacity.131

“any reconstruction must” end of p 296; p 297: “remain speculative to some extent.133

“In what follows I will provide a reading that I find most plausible [given a cosmos model lacking fate-soaked fixed stars], while explaining my choices in the footnotes.”

“Hermes seems to be confirming that the hypercosmic {8, 9, 10}[9, 10] “depths” which have opened up to Tat’s consciousness“

“I am nous [9]” … Hermes is … revealing his true identity to his pupil, and this is obviously an event of considerable gravity.

“… Tat … is being addressed directly by Hermes’ immortal noetic [9] essence.

“The nous [9] is speaking through his teacher’s mouth.

“… Hermes tells his pupil what he himself is perceiving: he sees another Nous [9-10], the universal one that moves the soul [8-9].137

“As the consciousness of both participants is now completely in the Ogdoad [8], they are communicating directly”

p. 300:

““from nous to nous” about their shared vision of the universal Nous [9-10], the boundless Light of the Ennead [9] that is their own divine essence.

“… sees the nous [9-10] (“him [10] who moves me”) in or because of his present altered state (described here by a Coptic term that ranges from “ecstasy” to “sleep” or “forgetfulness”)?138

“Or has that power [10] moved him from his prior state of “a pure forgetfulness” to one of true wakefulness?139

“… this ecstatic “death-state” of noetic [9] illumination allows the speaker to forget his embodied [7] state of clouded consciousness.

“… You [10] give me power… I see myself! I want to speak – but fear holds me back.

“I have found the origin of the Power [10] above all powers, who has no beginning.

“I see a fountain bubbling with life!140″

{fountain in cave} = uncontrollable source of control-thoughts

“The pneumatic power or energy [9] that sustains the vision comes from the nous [9], and is transmitted through Hermes to his pupil.

“It [pneumatic power] allows Tat to perceive his own noetic [9] essence of universal Life and Light.

“The experience is obviously awe-inspiring, a true occasion of fear and trembling: not only does Tat gain true gnōsis, self-knowledge, by seeing in this instance who and what he really is – but moreover, he even glimpses the mysterious origin (archē) of All That Is, the unbegotten One beyond the Ennead, the ultimate generative Source (pēgē) itself. “

mental model transformation of the personal control system / egoic personal control system. 2-level, dependent control revealed, not monolithic, autonomous control. Subject to a higher control power: the uncontrollable source of control-thoughts.

“Indeed he has found the origin of the Power above all powers.

“… I have seen,” he breathes in utter amazement, “it is impossible to express this in words…!”142

“It is at this point that the emphasis begins to move from noetic [9] vision-beyond-vision to noetic sound-beyond-sound, for the nous that keeps speaking through Hermes now calls his attention to what he is hearing in the”

p. 301:
“Ogdoad [8], silent hymns that are being sung all around them by the souls [8] and by the angels up above [9]:

“[that’s right] my child, for the entire Ogdoad [8] and the souls [8] that are in it and the angels [9] are singing their hymns in silence.

“Yet I, nous [9], understand them [noeīn].”143

“All this makes perfect sense in terms of the basic Hermetic perspective on nous [9] and logos [10?], as explained in a particularly koan-like Hermetic Definition:

“Nothing is incomprehensible for nous [9], nothing is inexpressible for logos [9-10].

“… nous [9] conceives logos [9-10] in silence, only speech that comes from silence and nous [9] is salvation [9].”

Sphere 8 = purification of the soul into pure Eternalism.
Sphere 9 = salvation of the spirit from Eternalism into transcend eternalism.

“… the human being is mortal through his body [7] but immortal [8-9] through logos [9].144

“So there is such a thing as powerful noetically [9] inspired speech (logos), but it can only be understood in immediate noetic perception.

“It comes from the silent Source [10] through mediation of the nous [9].

“Just as the noetic [9] vision cannot be seen with bodily [7-8] eyesight, noetic [9] speech cannot be heard by the bodily ears [7-8].

“Therefore noetic [9] singing can surely not be heard by the bodily ears [7-8] either.

“Noetic realities can only be perceived noetically”

“Tat is singing a hymn … not be addressed to the human teacher anymore but to the universal nous [9] who has been speaking through Hermes’ mouth ever since he first appeared in NH VI6 58, 4.

“… Along with all the other souls [8] in the Ogdoad [8], Tat’s soul [8] is singing a noetic [9] hymn to the Ennead [9].

“… their souls [8] are soaring high in a deep state of meditative”

p. 302:

“the nous [9] itself is beyond language and can only be experienced in direct noetic perception.

“As Tat was singing his silent hymn to the Ennead [9], his own nous [9] was joined to the universal Nous [9] and his soul [8] was both enveloped by and filled with what Iamblichus would have called emphutos gnōsis.149″

“gratitude to the divine [10] in a short prayer to the Source [10] of Light and Life:

“No creature will be deprived of your Life, for you are the Lord of the inhabitants everywhere.

“Your providence keeps watch over us.

“I call [upon] you: Father Aio-n [10] of Aio-ns [9] Great Divine [10] Spirit [10-9] who sends spiritual [9] rain down on all.150

“fears losing … enlightenment and asks for help: “O Trismegistus… do not let my soul [8] be deprived” p 303: “of the vision, divine Being!

“Everything is possible for you as Master [10] [or Scribe] of the whole universe.”152

“… Hermes the human teacher is still just a vessel for the ultimate Enneadic [9] divinity, the master [10] of the universe.

“Therefore it is also the Nous [9] who responds to Tat’s plea, speaking through Hermes’ mouth:

“Return to the death-state, my child,

“Tat is told to return to the Enneadic [9] state of perfect noetic [9] consciousness that allowed him to join in the silent hymns of angels [9] and souls [8]: the blessed condition in which souls [8; sometimes “higher soul” = 9] that have attained salvation [9] will find themselves after the dissolution of the body [7 (8)].154

Notation: 7 (8): mainly 7, sometimes 8 a little

“… Tat directs his consciousness back to the Ennead [9] and joins again in the noetic [9] singing of souls [8] and angels [9].

“… Tat’s silent communion with the universal Nous [9-10]”

“… I see the Ogdoad [8] and the souls [8] that are in it and the angels [9] singing hymns to the Ennead [9] and its powers.

“And I see the one who is endowed with all the powers [10] and creates in the spirit [or: creates spirits [9]].155

“Tat’s plea “not to be deprived of the vision” now seems to have been answered, for this exclamation and the conversation that follows suggest that both his noetic [9] vision and his noetic hearing have somehow become permanent.“

The huge struggle and achievement in the series of Psilocybin sessions 1-7 is the challenge to try to retain the vision of eternalism; a danger is doing crazy notable things to try to disrupt fallback to egoic thinking and force a retaining of the higher way of thinking.

“… Having found the peace he had always been longing for,”

the innate hunger to learn the paired two mental models: possibilism + eternalism

p. 305:

“his words may “get inscribed in this imperishable book.”157

“… Tat’s words will be “engraved” or “imprinted” in his internal noetic [9] world exactly as happens at the end of CH I and CH XIII.159

“In Chapter 10 I will return to these recurring references to the “engraving” or “imprinting” of prayers, hymns and visions so as to keep them from perishing.

“… a prayer addressed to the silent Generative Source [10] of all that is:

“… to the end of the universe and the beginning of all beginnings, the immortal [9] treasure that all humans seek, the generative Source [10] of Light and Truth, the sower of Logos [9-10] and Source of Life eternal.160

“Not even a mystery discourse [logos] can ever speak of you, Lord. Therefore my nous [9] wants to sing hymns to you every day.

“I am the instrument of your Spirit [pneuma], the nous is your plectrum, your Will uses me to make music.

“I see myself. “

Perceive and recognize your two ways of thinking; metaperception. Perceive the snake engine after lifting lid to look under hood. See revealed source of control power; the hidden, uncontrollable source of control-thoughts.

“I have received power from you, for your love has made us alive.161

“the Nous [9] itself touches the strings of Tat’s heart, the sound will be heard in the silence of the unfathomable One.

“Tat is now capable of seeing the noetic Light by immediate perception, emphutos gnōsis, he knows that he is seeing his own immortal [9] essence.

“The nous [9] receives its power from the one and only Source [10], the pēgē [10], whose love has restored him to the true Life as it gave him the gift of wisdom [9].163

p. 306:

“noetic [9] hymns “sung in silence” by the souls [8] and angels [9] in the Ogdoad [8] and Ennead [9]; on the contrary, we are dealing with actual vowels as in the first instance, linked to the seven cosmic spheres[sic, the 7 planetary spheres of the cosmos] and intoned audibly by the human voice.

“Secondly, it should not be understood as a new invocation, presumably to reverse the ascent and make Tat’s soul [8] descend again from Saturn [7] back to the Moon [1] and finally to earth [0]: if that were the case, we should expect the vowels to be sung in reverse order beginning with the fourteen omegas.

“Thirdly, this also explains the absence of nomina barbara.”

passwords for panic-guarded gates, control instability fixes

“Because Tat’s soul [8 (9)] has been restored finally and irreversibly to the true noetic [9] Life, no longer does his consciousness need to cross any fearsome boundary between the cosmic conditions called “life” (actually under the sway of death) and “death” (the true life of the soul [8]).166

Dead to possibilism-thinking; reconciled to heimarmene, purified. And also transcend heimarmene.

“Fourthly, no longer do the vowels sung from down below [8] receive a lengthier and more powerful echo from the superior noetic powers [9] up above; I suggest that the series of omegas and vowels are of equal length because Tat’s level of consciousness now equals that of the noetic [9] powers.

“…You exist with the Pneuma [9].

“I hymn you with reverence.”167

“… the ceremony ends as it should: in a spirit of eusebeia, the supreme Hermetic virtue.”

Supreme virtue per the Egodeath theory: harmonious wedding of adjusted possibilism-thinking + adjusted eternalism-thinking coupled as a 2-model system.

footnote (endnote) 30, page 307: desdaimonia, terror of the divine:

“My translation of δεισιδαίμων ὡς ἀκούεις is a matter of interpretation (see discussion in Cop[enhaver?], 171).

“On the fascinating term δεισιδαίμονία, see Hanegraaff, Esotericism and the Academy, 159–164.

“… This indication of fear on Hermes’ part in a discussion about “death” would seem reminiscent of a strange isolated statement in HD VI 3: “Get a hold of yourself, Trismegistus!” … the intended speaker could be … the Nous [9].”

experience of the threat of catastrophic loss of control

Next Chapter: The Conquest of Time

p 309 ebook of Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity (Wouter Hanegraaff, 2022)
https://egodeaththeory.org/2022/07/14/hermetic-spirituality-and-the-historical-imagination-altered-states-of-knowledge-in-late-antiquity-hanegraaff/
https://www.amazon.com/Hermetic-Spirituality-Historical-Imagination-Knowledge/dp/1009123068/

p. 309:

“its [the writing’s] purpose must have been to show practitioners not just what they should think or do, but also what they could expect to experience if they got it all right.

“As suggested above, the genre of spiritual Hermetica is best defined in terms of inspirational narratives about the ideal teacher, the ideal student, the ideal discussion, the ideal message, the ideal proceedings, and the ideal rewards.8

“But what then must be done after the ideal devotee has finally reached the goal, having beheld the supreme vision of the Ogdoad [8; the soul is purified into eternalism/ Heimarmene] and the Ennead [9; the spirit transcends eternalism/ Heimarmene], the ultimate experience of perfect gnōsis? … he should write it all down.”

Page Numbering in Ebook Is Only Off by 1

Page numbering check: in ebook, “page 293” contains footnote 114: “Having finally arrived at the level of Saturn, the voices coming “from below” would join those “above,” as all participants would now be chanting the same vowel ō on the same pitch.114”

But in the hardcover first printing, that’s on page 294, not 293.

Glad it is only off-by-one.

This means no great need to specify whether ebook page # or print page #.

2025 New Definition per Late Antiquity: You Are {immortal} if You Integrate eternalism-thinking + possibilism-thinking

A couple years ago, or a year ago, I would have said that believing in eternalism or stand on right foot = immortal. That might hold for Classical Antiquity b/c I was thinking envisioning what Classical Antiquity meant by “you are among the immortals walking now”. But, from pov of Late Antiquity, “immortal” must factor in also, “integrated possibilism/eternalism thinking”.

Raises the bar. Now, to be counted among the immortals, I require that you not only know basic eternalism-thinking, but, you must venerate and value and comprehend idea of INTEGRATING — not just brute summing together like i thought 1 year ago! —

a year ago I said: eternalism-thinking, including qualified possibilism-thinking.

Better framing I now developed:

integrated combination of eternalism-thinking + possibilism-thinking, each of them qualified to fit with the other harmoniously as complementary models that each contribute something but each lack something. A wedding marriage dyad, yoked and joined to complete each other.

not really privileging either one as if isolated; privilege THE PAIRING OF BOTH –

You do NOT end up w/ no-free-will; or “eternalism”.

Imagine conventional “compatibilism” that combines AS TWO DIFFERENT, COMPLEMENTARY MODELS, “freewill” and “determinism”. But those are ordinary-state based concepts. That notion of determinism is drenched in possibilism-thinking w/ open future, quite different than eternalism.

The concepts of possibilism vs eternalism are properly based in the altered state. Unlike “freewill”, “determinism”, and “compatibilism”, which are limited to armchair ordinary state, not relevant. Not transformative. Proof: Harris books fail to connect with each other:

  • book saying no-free-will
  • book saying be rational
  • book saying spir’y incl psychedelics

Fails to realize that being rational, experiencing no-free-will, & psychedelics are all combined.

“Free Will” by Rush Is Pneumadelic (Jan. 1980)

Acid lyrics are limited to psychedelic, lower soul, merely eternalism. like Classical Antiquity.

New lyrics like Free Will by Rush, is a post-psychedelics, post-soul, ie a spirit-based revealation. Free Will is a pneumadelic song.

You end up with a INTEGRATED COMBINATION of eternalism + possibilism thinking/models. mental models.

Ozzy: SATO Talks of Finding a Way of Thinking, Suggests Pneumadelic (Nov. 1981)

Nilsson and acid Metal merely delivers soul eternalism and halts there. Fails to integrate the psychedelic revelation of no-free-will.

Now I find peace of mind, finally found a way of thinking; — S.A.T.O. 1981

Ride Light: july 1984

Maiden Somewhere in Time (Sep. 1986)

the path for you is decided: that’s eternalism; that’s not transcendence of eternalism. verdict: psychedelic, not pneumadelic

Hanegraaff Ebook Find-Fest: Spirit, Ogdoad, Heimarmene, Nous

$200 book wasn’t enough, so got ebook version too: now I am REALLY equipped to prove that despite Hanegraaff’s garbled confusion where he foundationally errs in writing:

“the Ogdoad above the heimarmene” – p. 258, Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity, by Wouter Hanegraaff, 2022

His book when straightened out asserts/ associates soul = sphere 8, spirit = sphere 9.

  • spirit = sphere 9 = above heimarmene = transcend Fate/ Heimarmene/ Eternalism. [should I cap’z eternalism b/c in this context the scholars cap’ize Fate and Heimarmene]
  • soul = sphere 8 = within cosmos = Fate

that tripartate division = pagels’ first 3 books eg my extracted contrast, based on Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy’s book The Jesus Mysteries, 2001, https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Mysteries-Was-Original-Pagan/dp/0609807986/

ie

  • hylic = body = i suppose sphere 1-7
  • soul = psyche = ironic: “psychedelic” means “soul” revealning but “soul” is bad and limited to just merely rising to level of imprisonment in Fate/ Heimarmene / Eternalism per acid songs like Jump into the Fire by Harry Nilsson or the tragedy of bass player Cliff Burton of Metallica discovering eternalism prison in album Ride the Lightning.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=cliff+burton+of+metallica
    The tragedy …
  • spirit = pneuma = sphere 9 = transcend eternalism / heimarmene / Fate.

But then the problem of mapping:

  • Dionysus & Ariadne
  • Sol & Mithras
  • possibilism & eternalism
  • naive possibilism-thinking then eternalism then qualified possibilism-thinking.
  • sin, death, soul, spirit, Christ, Jesus, king Jesus fastened to cross, risen Christ redeemer from “outer space” (Richard Carrier book cover / title)
  • Ariadne maiden abandoned by Theseus upon escape labyrinth = naive possibilism-thinking = Sol prior to initiation/capture = sphere 0-7
  • Dionysus = eternalism = Mithras = sphere 8
  • Ariadne post-maiden, married = transcend eternalism = sphere 9-10; wedding of not Dionysus alone, but, Dionsus AS wedded HUSBAND and Ariadne AS wedded WIFE.

2 Cheers for Possibilism, 2 Cheers for Eternalism; 3 Cheers for Possibilism Integrated with Eternalism

are you crying about no-free-will ? and about the dead king?

instead, celebrate wedding of the two objectionable ways of thinking, each mental model has unsatifactory flaws:

  • Possibilism sucks because unstable and unreal.
  • Eternalism sucks because no-free-will; imprisoned, enslaved, {snake frozen in rock}.
  • Mature “deal w/ it best u can” solution: combine half-wonderful possibilism-thinking with half-wonderful eternalism
  • Two cheers for possibilism-thinking
  • Two cheers for eternalism-thinking
  • Three cheers for wedding possibilism-thinking + eternalism-thinking

Like guitar amp usage/setup theory, where I triangulate the 3 flawed unsatisfactory options:

  • if put combo amp far away, can’t access its controls.
  • if put combo amp nearby, makes nuisance noise.
  • Isolation hood is difficult & awkward.
  • The compromise solution: Rotate among the 3 approaches.

The Egodeath Theory Invented the New Class of Pharmacology: Pneumadelics, Above Mere Psychedelics

Given that mythic-realm Amanita is far better than any mere psychedelic, I dub Mythic Amanita is the symbol of Pneumadelic drugs.

Psychedelics = mere acid rock revelation of tragic sad trajedy in Queen song Boh Rap,

List of Tragic Psychedelic Revelation Songs

  • Heaven Can Wait – Iron Maiden “the path for you is decided”
  • Ozzy: Little Dolls; Believer (“destiny planned out, speculation of the wise”); S.A.T.O.; Diary of a Madman
  • Jump into the Fire – Harry Nilsson (“but you can never be free””
  • Stairway to Heaven – Zep, see: Led Zeppelin’s Led Zeppelin IV (33 1/3) (Erik Davis, 2005)
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0826416586
  • Ride the Lightning – Metallica: “Who made you God to say “I’ll take your life from you”?”

Jump into the Fire (Nilsson, 1971)

You can shake me up
Or I can bring you down
Whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh
Whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh

We can make each other happy
Oh, we can make each other happy
Oh, we can make each other happy
We can make each other happy
Whoa!

You can climb a mountain and swim the sea
You can jump into the fire
But you’ll never be free, no, no
oa-oh-oh-oh-oh, oh-ooh
Source: Musixmatch
Songwriters: Harry Edward Nilsson
Jump Into The Fire lyrics © Golden Syrup Music, Bmg Mercury

Jump in the Fire (Metallica 1983): Psychedelic (Though Not Pneumadelic) Lyrics

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Jump+into+the+Fire%22+metallica —

Down in the depths of my fiery home
The summons bell will chime [compare For Whom the Bell Tolls on Ride the Lightning]
Tempting you and all the Earth to join our sinful kind
There is a job to be done, and I’m the one
You people make me do it
Now it is time for your fate and I won’t hesitate
To pull you down into this pit

Crop by Michael Hoffman

So come on
Jump in the fire
So come on
Jump in the fire

With hell in my eyes and with death in my veins, the end is closing in
Feeding on the minds of man, and from their souls within
My disciples all shout to search you out, they always shall obey
Follow me now, my child, not the meek or the mild, but do just as I say

Jump by your will or be taken by force, I’ll get you either way
Trying to keep the hellfire lit, I am stalking you as prey

[My 2007 main article: “The hunter [of stag w/ branching antlers] Actaeon saw the goddess Artemis bathing naked, so she turned him into an animal [stag with branching antlers], and his own hunting dogs tore him to pieces.”
https://www.google.com/search?q=Actaeon+hunt+stag+Artemis]

Living your life as me, I am you, you see there is part of me in everyone
So reach down, grab my hand, walk with me through the land
Come home where you belong

[compare Maiden “Heaven Can Wait” song in 1986, 3 years later:
Take my hand, I’ll take you to the other side
To see the truth: the path for you is decided“]

So come on
Jump in the fire
Come on, jump in now

Source: Musixmatch
Songwriters: James Alan Hetfield / Lars Ulrich / Dave Mustaine
Jump in the Fire lyrics © Creeping Death Music, Mustaine Music
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_%27Em_All

Led Zeppelin’s Led Zeppelin IV (33 1/3) Audiobook Format (Erik Davis, 2005) Forthcoming April 29, 2025

I hope Erik Davis reads it aloud.

Led Zeppelin’s Led Zeppelin IV (33 1/3) (Erik Davis, 2005) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0826416586
ed05

“Thank you for choosing this title.
Your pre-order title will be available upon release.
Thank you for choosing Led Zeppelin’s Led Zeppelin IV: 33 1/3.
Your audio book will be available for download on April 29, 2025.“

Acid Tragedy: Unfortunately, Psychedelic Means Merely Psyche not Spirit Revealing, ie Psychedelics are not Pneumadelics [8:56 am Apr 19 2025] Only Exposes the Enslavement Imprisonment in Block-universe eternalism

The Principle of Paradigm Integrity and Closed Theory Conceptual Vocabulary

April 18, 2025 voice recording before 6409.wav: good recording good ideas about:

Do not import ordinary state based armchair external philosophy from outside Egodeath theory , into Egodeath theory,

Do not try to evaluate Egodeath theory from POV basis of thinking that’s outside Egodeath theory.

Do not take the ordinary state based free will vs. determinism debate terms like “compatibilism”.

The sacred marriage of the two mental models — qualified possibilism + qualified eternalism — is NOT same as the armchair (the ordinary state of consciousness dominated) Philosophy department concepts, ordinary-state based:

  • “compatibilism”
  • “free will”
  • “determinism”
  • “predestination”

compatibilism
cpm

Concepts inside the Egodeath theory and concepts outside the Egodeath theory are related and comparable, but not the same meaning-network.

Concepts within the Egodeath theory are COMPARABLE to concepts from outside the Egodeath theory, but different.

The ordinary-state based concept of “common-core mysticism and perennialism” is COMPARABLE to the Egodeath theory, per the puzzle image in the article The Entheogen Theory of Religion and Ego Death (Hoffman, 2007 main article)
http://egodeath.com/EntheogenTheoryOfReligion.htm
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/the-entheogen-theory-of-religion-and-ego-death-2006-main-article/

The puzzle diagram was contributed by a member of the Egodeath community.

A member of the Egodeath community also helped condense a section of the article.

https://egodeaththeory.org/the-entheogen-theory-of-religion-and-ego-death-2006-main-article/#Restructuring-Is-Enabled-by-Loose-Association-Binding —

Diagram contributed by the Egodeath community, 2006

“Religion and myth are about dissociative-state experience, frozen-time determinism, self-control cybernetics, and metaphorical description of these.” – Michael Hoffman, 2007 main article

meaning-network
mn

ordinary-state based
osb

, or fake psychedelics Philosophy Chris Letheby’s false dilemma Epistemology debate positions “only matter exists” (Science Materliasm Naturalism) vs “only mind exists (Mysticism;

All Concepts from Outside the Egodeath Theory Are Corrupt, Impure, Polluted, and Spoken with Unclean Lips

Image from Brown: Saint Martin Church: Coal from angel purifies Isaiah’s lips:
https://egodeaththeory.org/2023/02/11/saint-martin-frescos-%e2%9e%b3%f0%9f%96%96%f0%9f%8c%b4%f0%9f%94%aa%f0%9f%8d%84%f0%9f%96%bc%f0%9f%94%8d%f0%9f%94%ac%f0%9f%a7%90/#Image-2-Purification-of-Isaiahs-Lips

Photo Credit: Julie M. Brown
https://www.academia.edu/40412411/Entheogens_in_Christian_art_Wasson_Allegro_and_the_Psychedelic_Gospels

Best Compromise: Combine Qualified Possibilism with Qualified Eternalism

Michael Hoffman 7:45 am Apr. 19, 2025

An *analogy* is in terms of no-free-will — but eternalism is NOT the same idea as no-free-will.

qualified eternalism
qe

qualified possibilism
qp

In theory of guitar amp hookup and nuisance noise management, I found that there were 3 architecture options, and each option has a fatal flaw, so the closest to a solution was to alternate among the 3 configurations:
what is the saying like “fast, good, reliable; pick any two”?

  • Affirm Possibilism and reject Eternalism: Result: Be unstable and in contradiction with underlying reality.
  • Affirm Eternalism and reject Possibilism: Result: Be stable but irrelevant to lived experience and practical control.
Crop by Michael Hoffman, Apr. 2022.
Ariadne represents aspects of possibilism-thinking, including naive possibilism-thinking, qualified possibilism-thinking; naive freewill thinking; transcending eternalism; spirit reaching level of precession of the equinoxes above the sphere of the fixed stars outside the Fate-ruled cosmos. April 19, 2025, 7:37 am Michael Hoffman

April 19, 2025, 7:37 am Michael Hoffman

Ariadne represents aspects of possibilism-thinking, including

  • Pre and Trans per Pre/Trans fallacy; pre-enlightenment thinking; post-enlightenment thinking; thinking before the Psilocybin revelation of eternalism; and child-mode thinking (egoic personal control system; monolithic, autonomous control steering in a virtual-only branching world) integrated after the Psilocybin revelation of eternalism.
  • Naive possibilism-thinking.
  • Qualified possibilism-thinking, washed clean, purified, redeemed, mitigated.
  • Naive freewill thinking.
  • Transcending eternalism.

The “Regress of ‘Outside the Cosmos'” Diagrammatic Problem

April 19, 2025, 7:37 am Michael Hoffman

Transcending eternalism; the spirit only; NOT the soul or body, reaching cosmos sphere 9 (Prime Mover sphere; precession of the equinoxes) above the sphere of the fixed stars, outside the Fate-ruled cosmos.

The adding of multiple spheres 9 and 10 higher than fixed stars makes it problematic to say at whch sphere is “outside the cosmos” –

is sphere 9 (watery) inside or outside the cosmos?

is sphere 10 (as prime mover sphere) inside or outside the cosmos?

Is God and the elect, shown outside some other spheres, inside or outside the cosmos?

One cosmos diagram shows a sphere labeled as “here dwells God and all the Elect” — but there is area in diagram outside of that!

The “regress of outside the cosmos” diagrammatic problem.

Fake Author “Andrew P. Whittaker” Doesn’t Exist

If these are AI-generated books, the publisher and booksellers need to say so.

Red flags:

  • No Author page at Amazon.
  • Web search reveals nothing but a list of 7 books.
  • Published 7 Books in 6 Months, 2 More in the Next 2 Months
  • Odd Titles Random Generated
  • The childrens’ book is uses AI generated art – nice purple mushrooms.
  • At Amazon, the Timeless Physics book doesn’t bring up the many previous books on this topic.
  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Independently published (February 23, 2025)
  • AI art on cover.
  • No mention of author on cover, just a name.
  • Compare any other book about timeless Physics. Shows author & their history.

AI slop.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ai-written+books
https://aibusiness.com/responsible-ai/the-ai-generated-books-phenomenon-is-getting-worse —
The AI-generated Books Trend is Getting Worse
“It has gotten so bad that Amazon’s new policy limits self-published Kindle ebooks to three a day.”
Sascha Brodsky, January 24, 2024

Fake Book: The Timeless Universe: Rewriting Physics Without Time (“Whittaker”, 2025 along with 7 other assorted books in 6 months)

I’m looking forward to the next 5 books from this author coming out in the next 5 weeks. Hope they are as good as the previous 5 books by this author written in the last 5 weeks.

The Timeless Universe: Rewriting Physics Without Time
by Andrew P. Whittaker (Fake Author), February 23, 2025, within 6 months of writing 8 other books
https://www.amazon.com/Timeless-Universe-Rewriting-Physics-Without/dp/B0DY7CWC3V/ —

“What if time does not exist as a fundamental property of the universe?”

What if “Andrew P. Whittaker” doesn’t exist and this is fraud? If this is an AI-generated book, the publisher and booksellers need to say so.

“What if the equations of physics can be rewritten without time, relying solely on spatial energy interactions?

“The Timeless Universe: Rewriting Physics Without Time challenges one of the deepest assumptions in modern science: that time is a necessary component of physical laws.

“In this ground-breaking book, the author presents a radical rethinking of physics, arguing that time is merely a human interpretation of energy state transitions, rather than a fundamental dimension of reality.

“By removing time from general relativity, quantum mechanics, thermodynamics, and the standard model, the book explores a new paradigm where motion, causality, and entropy emerge from spatial relationships rather than temporal progression.

“Through rigorous theoretical exploration, supported by alternative mathematical formulations and references to cutting-edge physics, the book introduces a time-free theory of everything that unifies the fundamental forces in a purely spatial framework.

“From black holes to quantum entanglement, from cosmology to faster-than-light travel, this work explores how abandoning time-based thinking could reshape our understanding of the universe.”

/ end of fake blurb about fake book by non-existent author

The 8th Reveals/Implies the 9th; Block-universe eternalism implies transcendent possibilism

Michael Hoffman, ~1991, ink brush in blank art book

The title “the 8th reveals the 9th” means:

The 8th cosmos sphere (eternalism) immediately inherently raises and implies the idea of “outside the fate cosmos”; exactly like intuitively naturally BECAUSE I WAS JUST MESSING AROUND WITH INK PENS WHIMSICALLY, I DREW – ANGEL MUSE GUIDING MY HAND – A BLOCK, CONTAINING a SNAKE-SHAPED WORLDLINE, W/ HEAD PROTRUDING outside the block.

The idea of block-universe immed implies raises question of going outside it.

In Egodeath Yahoo Group, I posted the idea of “I am going on a space walk outside the block universe”.

Which is SAME IDEA as sphere 9 outside sphere 8; Plato’s cosmos implies going outside of cosmos, inherently implied.

Eternalism implies transcendent possibilism.

Possibilism implies transcendent eternalism.

Transcendent freewill thinking. transcend determinism thinking (eternalism-thinking).

Transcendent possibilism-thinking implies transcendent eternalism-thinking.

Transcendent eternalism-thinking implies transcendent possibilism-thinking.

They co-imply each other.

I would NOT say wedding of freewill and determinism – b/c those terms are wrongly grounded based in only the ordinary state, raft of baggage meaning-network.

possibilism vs eternalism is comparable to “free will vs. determinism”, but no more than that.

Egodeath theory is comparable to advaita, or perennialism – or dread of ego dissoltion, or neuroplasticity, or J Campbell… BUT, those are failed meaning-networks, off-base.

The Egodeath theory is closely aligned with the medieval art genre of {mushroom-trees}. We ARE saying the same message (meaning-network), because both models are grounded in authentic loose cognition.

That’s why I was so glad to discover the transmission of a lifetime Nov 2020 from Eadwine, Eadwine’s leg-hanging mushroom tree image in the Great Canterbury Psalter.

I could decode Eadwine’s 1200 AD message because his message is same as mine, though using the branching motif more — BUT I DID write in terms of branching / non-branching in 2001 at start of Egodeath Yahoo Group re: field of the two competing brands of Physics mysticism: branching manyworlds vs non-branching Minkowski 4D spacetime block universe mysticism.

So, a true, actual, natural connection; both Cybermonk & Eadwine are saying the same message.

Plus Eadwine connects branching possibilism = control instability. non-branching eternalism = control stability. Not sure how much my 1997 & 2007 articles contain that equation.

or my thx 2013 “branching” confirmation in Power of Myth book. Eve Tempted by the Serpent + Douris kylix Jason Ladon Athena. tree of the Garden of the hesperides, guarded by the seeing-dragon, {shadow dragon monster} of the immortals.

wedded woman = both
naive possibilism-thinking &
qualified possibilism-thinking aka
transcendent possibilism-thinking

reflecting those distinctions back on eternalism;

wedded man = both
brute eternalism-thinking &
qualified eternalism-thinking
transcendent eternalism-thinking

transcendent eternalism-thinking: very subtle meaning implied here: given that eternalism-thinking is ALAREDY transcendent , what does transcendent eternalism-thinking mean?

Ans: going beyond eternalism-thinking ; just like transcendent possibilism-thinking means, NOT naive possibilism-thinking , but the kind of possibilism-thinking that is INTEGRATED AND MUTUALLY QUALIFIED with eternalism-thinking.

The wedded productive marriage of qualified possibilism-thinking with qualified eternalism-thinking.

Do not give exclusive priority to the underlying reality: revealed substrate of eternalism reality; nor give excl pri to the experienced projected vritual realm. The two layers levels work together as a system. Honor the system.

The gaming computer involves integrated hardware level / layer and virtual level software.

Douglas Hofstadter

Victory Wedding: Productive Marriage of the Two Complementary Ways of Thinking, The Two Mental Models: Possibilism + Eternalism

🎉 🏆 harmonious victory wedding of the two complementary ways of thinking; two minds: andro gyne; hermes aphrodite; possibilism+eternalism.

The Church of Possibilism Married to Eternalism; bride of Christ.

Litwa 2025’s wording of chapter in book Hermetica I:
The Eighth Reveals the Ninth
(which I believe Litwa wrote is the ACTUAL WRITTEN title of the ancient writing).

Straight out of Late Antiquity, the era of affirming rebirth into the Ogdoad AND the Ennead:
Embrace, affirm, and cherish cosmos sphere 8: fixed stars heimarmene.
+
Embrace, affirm, and cherish cosmos sphere 9: precession of the equinoxes; transcend eternalism:

Crop by Michael Hoffman, Apr. 2022.

do not demonize and represss eg as if a scholar were to delete the fixed stars from sphere 8 (unimaginable, hypotehtically).

Hanegraaff as Example of Insane Repression That Ken Wilber Warns Against: Removes the Repressed, Hated, Fate-Soaked Fixed Stars from Cosmos Sphere 8

When Egodeath theory worries about overemphasizing eternalism and underselling possibilism; do not go overboard like Wouter Hanegraaff and hate, destroy, delete, smash, purge, remove eternalism and repress and demonize and disparage heimarmene.

We must modify possibilism.
We must modify eternalism.
Do not delete possibilism.
Do not delete eternalism.

As if, hypothetically, could you imagine a scholar so bent on repressing and destroying the earlier developmental structure, that we destructively shattered that entirely, like Darth Wouter blowing up planet Alderaan, but instead, removing and destroying all the zodiac, removing all of the fixed stars from the sky “because they are bad, because they are heimarmene”.

Could you imagine such a thing… 🤔💭💥🌌🪨🪨🪨
https://egodeaththeory.org/2025/03/18/hanegraaffs-inability-to-place-fixed-stars-in-sphere-7-or-8-proves-rebirth-is-into-fate-not-freedom/#Darth-Hanegraaffs-Alderaanization-of-the-Fixed-Stars

🤔💭💥🌌🪨🪨🪨

Darth Hanegraaff: Destroy and Eliminate the Zodiac & fixed stars, because It is Fate, Which Must be Got Rid of! Must purge fate-stars from sphere 8 (even though sphere 8 was specifically defined by the fixed stars)

Terrific Voice Recording 6400.wav: Positive Constructive Way in Which Abraham Sacr and Does Not Sacr Isaac; in What Way Eternalism Trumps Possibilism AND in What Way Possibilism Trumps Eternalism

todo: make episode of Egodeath Mystery Show incor’p this recording apr 17 2025.

Even though eternalism is the case, God creator shaped the ACTUAL REAL mental model in the shape of egoic personal control system; possibilism-thinking. possibilism-thinking is real!

Ego steering in branching possibilities as an experiential mental model is real; it really exists. As I always have said since like 1986.

We are looking for the optimal positive constructive productive framing that relates to religious myth revelation and the best model of mental model transformation; Psilocybin transformation.

Late Antiquity looked for the optimal framing:

  • true = eternalism = sphere 8 fixed stars. sense in which eternalism trumps possibilism.
  • true = possibilism-thinking (even if possibilism is illusion) = sphere 9 precession of the equinoxes.

Our work is to identify and see and perceive and comprehend (identify, dis-identify; transcend, embrace, and include) the sense in which possibilism-thinking trumps eternalism-reality hidden under the hood, revealed in the altered state yet even at the same time as eternalism is revealed, even then, possibilism-thinking AS a mental model and shape of our experiencing, remains.

We are in a video game sim that is a REAL SIMULATION.

pop sike song title:
Genuine Imitation Life
here’s the version off my Pop Sike Comp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeiUUmpKTCQ
Genuine Imitation Life
Jackie Lomax
Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises
Very Best Of (May 10, 1944 – September 16, 2013) – In Memory Of

Lomax died Sep. 2013 before my Thx 2013 “branching art” breakthrough in book The Power of Myth while studying lib caps.

🤯 shook me for weeks: artists knew about {branching}!! —

like as I wrote at the start of Egodeath Yahoo Group in 2001 re: the Physics field;

and as I subsequently later theorized in the field of Greek Myth in 2010 (I made the connection 9 years later) during 3.75-year hiatus walking the forest preserve’s branching paths while photographing mushrooms regularly.

Then in 2021 I discovered that the nice mushroom pictures in my 2007 main article were not sending a message of mushroom, but of non-branching (revealed by Psilocybin), associated with stable control.

How Possibilism Trumps Eternalism
How Eternalism Trumps Possibilism

Our lives really do exist and really are shaped as ego power steerer steering in a branching possibilities tree.

That fact trumps the underlying Eternalism reality, in some specific optimal positive constructive sense.

Repudiate relying on child thinking, yet, also embrace and treasure and elevate and affirm and preserve child thinking; possibilism-thinking. Even while perceiving how it possibilism-thinking is virtual-only; illusion-based.

Don’t say life as ego steering in branching possibilities is “nothing but merely” virtual/illusion. That’s God’s creation, the shape of our lives and our existence as personal control agents.

Abraham and Isaac walked away into the future, blessed, purified, washed clean.

God provided the sacrifice.

God will provide the burnt offering sacrifice: ram caught in branching tree helplessly; king Jesus hung on a tree branch; receive the idea of God providing the full satisfactory washing-clean sacrifice repudiation – not repudiation of control, but repudiation of your way of thinking about possibilism-thinking.

Entirely burn the branching model reliance, but the religion based on Paul Thagard’s theory of theory revision.

How the old theory is related to the new theory, explanatory framework.

THE THEORY OF THEORY REVISION; mental model revision:

You are made to REVISE your model of child thinking; possibilism-thinking. Not “destroy” and “get rid of” possibilism-thinking.

You do not provide the sacrifice.

You do not hand over control as-is; God does the sacrificing to wash your thinking clean and rectified, rescued, redeemed, lifted out, set free, emancipated, saved.

f109: Caught in Hell-Mouth Furnace Net, Summoned to City Gate Entrance Past Ossuary Corpse, Stable Building Protected by Cloth Washed Clean

Crop by Michael Hoffman, April 4, 2023

f76: Chariot Wipeout

Crop by Michael Hoffman, June 10, 2023

1. email from wrmspirit about not requiring all the answers

You can remodel a room without making drastic changes. And [or,] you can renovate a room, making it completely different.

What feels best for you, not making drastic changes? or, making it completely different?

[I do not perceive the need to make Egodeath theory completely different; I am adjusting the framing details, a real need that I sense in trying to present the theory to my church, who wants to hear my theory presentation.]

The Egodeath Theory is your creation.

What feels best for you regarding qualified possibilism and qualified eternalism?

[Identify sense in which possibilism-thinking trumps eternalism-reality.

Identify sense in which ps eternalism-reality trumps possibilism-thinking.

Identify the reality in which possibilism-thinking really exists.
Creatures’ lives as possibilism steering agents in possibility-branching tree really exist as the experienced world God created the virtual world, which trumps the underlying level layer basis stratum.

Do not debate “whether mind or matter exists”; instead debate the relation of the virtual possibilism world vs. underlying eternalism stratum.

Which one trumps which?

Our actual mental structures of experiential mental structures (Possibilism-thinking); or,
the actual underlying revealed “hardware” stratum of Eternalism-reality?

Possibilism thinking open future EXPERIENCE/ mental model is real, even if possibilism branching steering is virtual illusion.

The gaming computer CPU hardware doesn’t make the virtual world above it “go away” or “not exist”.

IN WHAT SENSE DOES BRANCHING AND STEERING POWER OPEN FUTURE REALLY EXIST?

ON THE LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE, AND MENTAL STRUCTURES THAT REALLY EXIST.

See Douglas Hofstadter.]

wrmspirit con’t:

What feels best for you is most important.

What feels good for you will be expressed from a sense of comfort, a sense of feeling good about it and that will be perceived by the audience.

Can you let your church group be a part of the change?

The Egodeath theory is a living document. It makes people feel good to be included.

Why must you have something exact [finished & optimally framed & palatable & “balanced” valuation] when presenting?

[no “new theory” in science is all-appealing and entirely free from objectionable aspects]

And why can’t qualified eternalism become personal to each unique individual?

Dogma is for literal religion, not for the Egodeath Theory.

Sending good thoughts and best wishes. 🙏

— wrmspirit

ppl don’t have to grapple w/ “no-free-will”; they have to grapple w/ the combination of revealed eternalism reality substratum + experiential-level virtual (don’t say “illusion”, bad connot.) – the word ‘virtual’ is more positive connot than ‘illusion’.

“illusion” = awful nondual Advaita that everyone now hates.

not “you are illusion”.

say “you are virtual”.

Live by “advaita” branding, die by it. Egodeath theory rejects Advaita framing.

You are not illusion; you are virtual.

I’m ok including the term ‘virtual’ in the Egodeath theory as done since April 1987.

Virtual software reality trumps hardware reality that pokes through during God-level metaprogramming of the human biocomputer (John Lilly, The Scientist – dunking on Houot here).

Which one is real: the possibilism virtual world we live in, or the eternalism subsstratum that shoots it forth?

Possibilism = Virtual-only Reality; Eternalism = Underlying-only Reality

Eternalism is merely nothing but the strictly underlying reality. Above and superior to that is:

possibilism which is the lived experienced created well formed mental experienced reality, the world that we live in: steering possibility-branching. Now made stable by honoring and recognizing and perceiving the distination between L vs R foot; eternalism-thinking and also distinct, possibilism-thinking.

qualified eternalism-thinking maried to qualified possibilism-thinking

The Church of Possibilism Married to Eternalism; bride of Christ.

Crop by Michael Hoffman, Apr. 2022.
Ariadne represents aspects of possibilism-thinking, including naive possibilism-thinking, qualified possibilism-thinking; naive freewill thinking; transcending eternalism; spirit reaching level of precession of the equinoxes above the sphere of the fixed stars outside the Fate-ruled cosmos. April 19, 2025, 7:37 am Michael Hoffman

Chariot contrast non-branching spear held in R arm by Dionysus vs. branch held in Ariadne’s L arm.

Mytheme decoding: {spear} = non-branching. Probably posted before.
King killed by non-branching inserted in {right side vulnerability birth canal through which Eve was born from Adam Mithras stabs the bull, Paul’s thorn in side has no branches}.

MYTHEME DECODING: THE ABANDONMENT OF ARIADNE (BY THESEUS), MARRIED BY DIONYSUS

11 5 0

April 17, 2025 – Cybermonk

We abandon yet retain child thinking; reliance on possibilism-thinking; incorporation of possibilism-thinking into revealed eternalism reality when lift the lid of snake-basket during Mystery Religion initation, resulting in COMPLETION OF MATURATION, become immortal, non-dying, and lifted above – partly – eternalism.

We become MALE AND FEMALE: harmoniously marry the two DISTINCT and productively COMPLEMENTARY mental models.

ETERNALISM REALITY MARRIED TO INTEGRATED WITH POSSIBILISM-THINKING/ VIRTUAL EXPERIENCING OF HOLDING BRANCH IN LEFT HAND IN THE CHARIOT STEERED BY DIONYSUS W/ SPEAR IN RIGHT HAND.

This “Wedding” analogy mytheme Accomplishes my Vision of my branching-message mushroom trees article for the Journal of Psychedelic Studies​ being a MILESTONE BREAKTHROUGH *CELEBRATION* rather than Cranky Rebuttal to Ronald Huggins & the MICA Deniers

The “Wedding” Article/ summary of Egodeath theory, which so beautifully and effectively concluded my 2007 main article.

The Entheogen Theory of Religion and Ego Death (Hoffman, 2007 main article) http://egodeath.com/EntheogenTheoryOfReligion.htm & https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/the-entheogen-theory-of-religion-and-ego-death-2006-main-article/

mushroom imagery in Christian art

hermes aphrodite
andro gyne

! male + female integrated = the 2 mental models in harmony: branching + non branching possibilities ; monolithic, autonomous control + 2-level, dependent control .   

possibilism-thinking married to eternalism-thinking 

hermes aphrodite
andro gyne 

picture: dionysus victory marriage ariadne procession 🏆👑 mosaic

of two minds, wedded.

“WEDDING CELEBRATION” theme , instead of cranky rebuttal to Deniers of mushroom imagery in Christian art 

– I found how to copy & analyze the key section of Huggins article which asks “pls explain the branches that contradict the mushroom shape” and fully address his objections.  

My article tone in the Journal of Psychedelic Studies​ – celebration, as in Dionysus wedding Ariadne, the two “fighting against each other” mental models — or rather, *complementary* mental models of control & branching possibilities. 

by employing the {wedding of two ways of thinking} … not Stairway’s “two paths” but rather two complementary mental models married, integrated and differentiated

Not as Wouter Hanegraaff demonizes heim and conflates sphere 8 & 9 unproducitvely.

Differenttiate the Ogdoad & Ennead and complemenary; affirm both distinct ways of thinking: the marriage of soul+spirit; possibilism-thinking + eternalism-thinking. Productively.

Both mental models are affirmed in mature productive harmony.  That mosaic picture perfectly concluded my 2007 main article; repeat that framing move.

2. my reply apr 17 2025

Thank you, was hoping to get your input.  Will print & read your email.

The main theme of our church and pastor Bob Otis is: “least dogma”.  https://www.sacredgarden.life

Thanks for the option, this is too hard to theorize!  I must lower the bar for myself as much as possible.  

I do like the “fair and balanced” idea yesterday of:

“If there is qualified possibilism-thinking in the end, then in the end there must also be QUALIFIED eternalism-thinking.”

There is well-established concepts and debates in terms of free will vs. determinism & “compatibilism” — not based in relevant altered state experiencing.

The medieval mushroom-tree artists are not concerned in terms of some “free will” vs. “determinism” debate; 

they are concerned with stable control and the two mental models, 

neither of the relevant contrasting (complementary!) mental models is described by the “free will vs. determinism debate” nor the “compatibilism” position within that debate.

My message/ story/ narrative is not, and must not be “freewill is an illusion”!  

My friend said the other day “I was displeased that there’s no-free-will” — but that is NOT the takeaway!  

Don’t let outsiders frame the revelation and mature mental model – integrated possibilism/eternalism thinking. 

Nor is the message “nondual unity oneness” – glad to see that idea lately is finally getting pushback, equating “common-core mysticism and perennialism = nondual unity oneness” (that’s why I MUST reject “perennialsm”, b/c everyone defines:

“Perennialsm says all mysticism has something in common. [so good so far].  AND, that thing in common is nondual unity onenness.”  NO!  Reject.

Similarly, EVERYONE defines ‘determinism’ = domino-chain determinism; causal-chain determinism.  Kafei proved it’s not an option for me to redefine ‘determinism’ as block-universe eternalism instead.

It’s not an option for me to redefine ‘perennialism’ differently than everyone else has already defined it.

I MUST adhere to my own, closed lexicon – conceptual vocabulary and meaning-network – of Egodeath theory, not allow alien imported meaning-networks like “no-free-will”.

Yet, my theory (Egodeath theory of psychedelic eternalism) MUST be able to converse with popular trend concepts too.

You understand my un-ease w/ highlighting the term ‘eternalism’ – so, you’re saying, no-free-will?  No.  Different meaning-network.  Mystery Religion maturation and balance and completion of psychospiritual development.  Yes, it’s LIKE no-free-will, comparable; but, a different meaning-network.

not free will vs. determinism;

possibilism “versus” eternalism and then in some useful way, reconciling them – 

driven by accurate description of:

“How does mental model transform under loose cognition from Psilo?”  

ans: Isaac is sacrificed and lives on, Gen 22.  You are blessed because you HAVE done this thing and you have NOT withheld the offering demanded.  You may pass through the gate into the future, as viable control agent.

“no-free-will” is hardly a description of that!

— Cybermonk

3. my followup reply

Great idea I can share my struggle with my church, they were understanding when I have mentioned that, about the huge challenge of presenting for clarity these possibly objectionable ideas, possibly divisive (some ppl will like them; some ppl will misinterpret, or dislike, etc)

Permutations of reactions:

  • comprehend and like
  • comprehend and dislike – ok w/ me. success = comprehend.
  • uncomprehend and “like” (positive strawman)
  • uncomprehend and “dislike” (negative strawman)

The members of my psychedelic church seemed understanding and supportive.

The editor of the first annual church reader didn’t approve my summary article title like:

The Wonders and Terrors of 4D Spacetime Block-Universe Mysticism

I’ll instead focus on the medieval art genre of {mushroom-trees} and explain why we must instead view the entire set of motifs: 

{mushrooms}, {branching}, {handedness}, and {stability} motifs.

re: wonders & terrors, I can explain the experience of the threat of catastrophic loss of control, as a solution to the question of “What exactly is the fearsome shadow that vexes this realm?”

And also “wonders & terrors” means, pros and cons of affirming eternalism.  

I want to emphasize – this fits popular trend against “nondual” — 

Ego is real, is good, is beloved; possibilism is good, is true in a way, and 

we INTEGRATE and “embrace and include” BOTH possibilism and eternalism.  

NOT “no-free-will”.  

NOT “ego is illusion”.  

The message is not “the future is closed” – we must do better, tell a better framing.

I can talk w/ my church about these concerns, as you point out, w/o my being obliged to already have all the answers.

SO therefore, I can frame to my church as:

“here are pros and cons or here are CONCERNS and here is a NEED FOR BALANCE; you all can contribute and work out what such a balance – and you gain this revelation – you can come up with.  

That was the problem faced by Late Antiquity upon receiving “worship heimarmene imprisonment” that their forebears gave them from Classical Antiquity.  

“We must form a better framing in light of the fate-ruled cosmos,”, everyone said.  

No brand of religion in Late Antiquity said, then, “we deny eternalism, and affirm possibilism” – maybe the Church eventually said “possibilism is the case, eternalism is not the case” – as a later development.

Instead they said “purified soul rises to sphere 8 grasping eternalism, and the spirit (only) rises above that to sphere 9, qualified possibilism-thinking”.  

Hanegraaff notes this in his book about ancient altered-state hermetism; 

The ancients affirmed rise above Fate, = qualified possibilism (cosmos sphere 9; precession of the equinoxes) – “please take me to the Ennead as you promised, teacher!”

while the ancients also continued to affirm body (& soul!) remained in Fate. = eternalism, or perhaps “qualified eternalism”. (cosmos sphere 8, fixed stars) – “please take me to the Ogdoad as you promised, teacher!”

Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity (Wouter Hanegraaff, 2022) 

https://egodeaththeory.org/2022/07/14/hermetic-spirituality-and-the-historical-imagination-altered-states-of-knowledge-in-late-antiquity-hanegraaff/

So my adjustments are in line w/ popular adjustments re: nondual unity oneness where 

ppl are rightly rejecting “the individual doesn’t exist”.

Ppl report “omg you are stealing my soul!”  Seems to be commonly expressed.

— Cybermonk

Intensely Anti-Religion, “Science” Advocate Author Alan Houot Meets with Psychedelic Church Book Club Today

In the course of advocating “Science” (his quirky view of it), the author picks a fight against religion and the gods. Am I the bad guy for accurately pointing this out? I think my … I am debating. I think my book review is great, inspired – but I worry about it.

I have Reviewer’s Block, like Wouter Hanegraaff traumatized me by giving me a cosmos model stripped of my favorite thing, fixed stars. Only now, 3 years later, can I post a review of Hanegraaff’s book. I have a review page for Houot that starts, “this has all the points that the review needs, an adequate draft”:
to find it, check pages in site map: https://egodeaththeory.org/nav/#Hanegraaff – it’s in my main page about the book.

Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity (Wouter Hanegraaff, 2022) https://egodeaththeory.org/2022/07/14/hermetic-spirituality-and-the-historical-imagination-altered-states-of-knowledge-in-late-antiquity-hanegraaff/ & https://www.amazon.com/Hermetic-Spirituality-Historical-Imagination-Knowledge/dp/1009123068/ —

Hanegraaff (and thus all scholars of hermetism, as I proved about multiple YouTube videos) is intensely deluded and confused about “the Ogdoad above[sic] the heimarmene” that we are mainly reborn into.

The Ogdoad (cosmos sphere 8, defined by the fixed stars) is the headquarters of heimarmene and is IN the cosmos as its outer boundary, not yet OUTSIDE the fate-ruled cosmos – the opposite of Hanegraaff’s model of rebirth.

Sphere 8 is hardly “above heimarmene”; sphere 8 filled with zodiac which = fate per Hanegraaff’s book, is ruled by emperor Demiurge – see Hanegraaff’s own article in Cambridge dictionary, about Demiurge. See Academia.edu > Hanegraaff > Gnosis dictionary entries, etc.

After the soul level of the mind is reborn into heimarmene-compliance and thus purified, THEN the spirit portion of the mind is finally lifted above the Ogdoad/Fate, into sphere 9, Prime Mover, Ennead, precession of the equinoxes, outside the cosmos.

Hanegraaff’s writings re: fixed stars and sphere 8 & fate & demiurge contradict themselves; it’s incoherent. I do not believe that the cosmos model held by hermetism in Late Antiquity contradicts that held by all other brands eg David Ulansey’s solution explaining Mithraism, in Late Antiquity. I believe that hermeticism same as all brands of religion in Late Antiquity held that sphere 8 fixed stars is IN the fate-ruled cosmos, and only sphere 9 is outside the fate-ruled cosmos.

I agree w/ Hanegraaff’s book that rebirth is of the soul into sphere 8, mostly, and then less so, spirit only into sphere 9 above heimarmene; outside the fate-ruled cosmos.

That all fits successfully and harmoniously with Hanegraaff’s book and other writings, after correcting Hanegraaff per his admission in infamous footnote 114:

“Whether the fixed stars should be included [with Saturn, sphere 7] or should rather be associated with the Ogdoad [sphere 8] remains an open question for me.” – p. 294, footnote 114, Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity, by Wouter Hanegraaff, 2022.

— Michael Hoffman, April 17, 2025

Preparing to Meet with Author Alan Houot (Rise of the Psychonaut) at Psychedelic Church’s Book Club (Email to Wrmspirit April 17, 2025)

There is a lot of potential to leap ahead in curing the divide of “science vs. religion”.

wrmspirit wrote:

> I can’t think of a better place to visit for an anti-religion guy than a psychedelic church book group.  

> You might just be surprised at how it turns out.  

You could pray for our poor book club, of the most expert and professional participants, meeting today with the author Alan Houot as we finish this book.

Praying to heal the split between “Science” and “Religion”, which this author did not invent.

Out of all my recent stresses since I started reading this book, I’ve been more stressed about today’s author visit at our church group, than anything else.  

I’m in contact with the author Alan Houot, who is much friendlier and less adversarial than Thomas Hatsis or James Kent in our personal communications.  

But Houot really is shockingly adversarial (socially awkward) in his would-be popular book (for a popular audience, supposedly).  

He makes SURE to let the reader know how much he disrespects religion/ spirituality/ mysticism/ myth/ esotericism.  

If you’re in any way interested in those, he attaches the words “immature; irrational; mentally ill”.

Amazon asks reviewers: What should people know about this book?

I and my book club could barely get past this author’s adversarial stance.  

The author writes like 7th graders online fighting between the Christian apologists vs. the atheists: book club said, “immature”, “arrogant” (before I said anything).  

Houot is hubristic against the gods (not that I’m trying to hex and negatively prophecy a bad, humbling experience).

This is not an area where you want to bring in hubristic dishonoring of religion!  

Maximum risk, shaking fist at gods, of being struck down and humbled.

Houot didn’t invent, but he partcipates in, his cartoon version of “Science” battling against his cartoon version of “Religion”.  

Same as the article series debate, “Moving Past Mysticism” in Pychedel. Science,
Moving Past Mysticism: Theory of Psychedelic Eternalism Provides Scientific Basis, Superseding “Mysticism, Meditation, & Psychotherapy” Framework

which includes the leaders eg Roland Griffiths of the Johns Hopkins team (that is now history; gone; disbanded – before ever publishing their 2016 research, 9 years ago, administering Psilocybin to religious professionals – “long awaited” writeup, now “mysteriously disappeared” and overshadowed by the Mysticism Wars –

And, while the Griffiths group burns, here you have me yelling repeatedly “psychedelic pseudo science! Based on Stace’s total misrep. of mystical experience! The Challenging Experience Questionnaire (CEQ) – which deletes 18 of 21 challenging experiences — is even more fantasy-based garbage than Tim Leary’s Mystical Experience Questionnaire (MEQ) which imagines “unpleasant therefore unmystical!”)

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Matthew Johnson filed ethics violations complaints for his team advocating spirituality.

Johnson advocates extremist hardcore materialist naturalist Science.

Johnson characterizes spiritual researchers in the field (his teammate Roland Griffiths) as extreme wooly headed mystics who say only mind exists, not matter.  

It seems some mystics DO say only mind exists.  

“Science” supposedly means, saying only matter exists, according to the school of thought of such “Science” advocates.

Both positions are of low relevance, I say (only mind|matter exists).  

What’s relevant instead is stable control in order to explore the altered state, and so that’s what the mushroom-tree artists focus on, not Phil. dept. armchair debates about Epistemology or “free will vs. determinism”.

Max Freakout took down his Academia.edu article Cog Phen’y of Mind Manif but it is the world’s best article on altered state meta-perception; the article is in the book, which I have, with his name.

Max Freakout shows the RELEVANT approach to perception and epistemology.

Amazon accepted my book review.  https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R293M2XOVFK8HN/

I hope Houot isn’t mad at me for today’s book club meeting, but he has it coming, being so arrogant against a religious approach.

He should be glad someone nice & constructive & substantive as me is the one to set him straight.  

My book club just about cancelled reading his book, it feels like (the book I recommended).  

In my church, my health screener professional told me she’s glad she didn’t read the book, after I reported the book club’s reaction where the book club leader (all sharp experts & professionals) quoted page 10, “put down this book if..”

I’m not the aggressor in writing an accurate book review; the author is the aggressor (he didn’t didn’t invent that aggression; he falls into it and perpetuates it).

He had me looking up the word ‘churlish’ – no social common sense.

A few years ago this would be called “Aspergers'”.  He identifies as technology advocate, though I am in technology, and enjoy theorizing to explain myth as analogy. 

‘Analogy’ definition: comparison, to clarify and explain.  

Houot makes sure to let everyone know his scorched-earth dismissal of mysticism and even of “esotericism”.  

I instead say the pros and cons of esotericism.  

He burns that bridge, and then says a few times in the book, he doesn’t entirely dismiss religion, because you shouldn’t be closed-minded —

says Mr. Closed Minded after having burned bridges, scorched-earth, & emphatically let all his readers know that mystical = irrational, immature, & mentally ill, & unfit to do Science discovery.

— Michael

Posted My Book Review of Rise of the Psychonaut at Amazon

My review at Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R293M2XOVFK8HN/
Glad to see Edit is possible.

Apr. 16, 2025

https://egodeaththeory.org/2024/12/24/rise-of-the-psychonaut-houot-2025/#My-Book-Review-of-Rise-of-the-Psychonaut-Houot-2025

I point out his attacking of his readers. Amazon asks “what should ppl know about this book?”

I wish the review said what each chapter is – but, finite word count.

I wish to remove mention of my work at end, though that’s in some of my book reviews at Amazon. Tried to adjust that, try later.

A constructive review moving his idea forward in the direction of the future –which is, wonderful me, the very definition of “spiritually evolved superior person”. Thoroughly lopsided, demonising naive possibilism-thinking, all glory to eternalism-thinking , exclusively.

Qualified Eternalism-Thinking: Integrated, Balanced Possibilism- & Eternalism-Thinking

💥 🚫⚖️

Typo in Amazon review, I tried to fix, might have to try later:
wrote “has” instead of “as”.

Moving Past Eternalism: Qualified Eternalism-Thinking

Against the Lexicon of “free will vs. determinism, & compatibilism”

I used to insult “compatibilism”, but, …. whose “compatibilism”? in what sense?

The term only exists within the debate free will vs. determinism within the field of Epistemology and academic Phil dept, and theology. But those are not the concerns of Egodeath theory or the mushroom-tree artists.

We are not here doing the debate:

  • causal-chain determinism. initial state, then flow of time, future is non extant but preordained.
  • egoic branching freewill power into an open future.

We are not here doing the debate:

  • Only matter exists.
  • Only mind exists.

We are here modelling mental model transformation, Psilocybin transformation. The two mental models are “compatible” by modifying possibilism-thinking so as to take into account eternalism-thinking. This is what OUR concerns mean by our use of the word “compatibilism”.

Is Egodeath theory common-core mysticism and perennialism? No, too many disparities.

Is Egodeath theory Joseph Campbell? No, too many disparities.

Is Egodeath theory determinism; freewillism; or compatibilism? No, too many disparities.

Is Egodeath theory about neuroplasticity and dread of ego dissolution? No, too many disparities.

REJECT ALL EXTERNAL THEORY LEXICONS. Their concerns are not my concerns or meaning-networks or purposes.

I make a new clean model of mental model transformation in intense mystic altered state; loose mental functioning binding; loose cognitive association binding.

I CANNOT USE THE EXTERNAL TERM “COMPATIBILITISM” TO ACCURATELY DESCRIBE Egodeath theory, ANY MORE THAN I CAN REDEFINE ‘DETERMINISM’ FOR PURPOSES OF Egodeath theory, per The Entheogen Theory of Religion and Ego Death (Hoffman, 2007 main article) http://egodeath.com/EntheogenTheoryOfReligion.htm & https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/the-entheogen-theory-of-religion-and-ego-death-2006-main-article/

THE TERM ‘COMPATIBILISM’ IS PROFOUND AND VALUABLE, IN POTENTIAL. You in fact, per (transformed by me) Ken Wilber, end up with two distinct mental models: THIS IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT AND RELEVANT! We are NOT debating here, what is metaphysically the case.

Metaphysically, only eternalism is the case. like “determinism is the case, not freewill”. So, we should not say “compatibilism”? What do you think ‘compatm’ must mean?

The word ‘compatibilism’ does NOT necessarily mean asserting insanely that both possibilism and eternalism are metaphysically the case. This is the garble eg from John MacArthur, see my writings about his joking about Romans potter clay, he says IT IS IRRATIONAL that both are true, free will AND determinism.

I am NOT saying that METAPHYSICALLY both possibilism and eternalism are the case, when I advocate the word ‘compatibilism’ as defined by Egodeath theory.

When I say the religion of mature Egodeath theory is a form of compatibilism, I mean

  • metaphysical reality is revealed by Psilocybin loose cognition: eternalism.
  • our experiencing is always in the shape of possibilism. after revelation of eternalism, during our Mystery Religion initiation, where lid of basket lifted to reveal snake, we rely on possibilism-thinking but washed clean purified no longer offending and dishonoring the gods.

image: Mithraism : rock carved snake basket while dining Sol & Mithras.
https://egodeaththeory.org/2020/12/12/mithraism-think-with-the-femalemale-mind-of-mithras/ – found it: [at bottom of a bunch of content pasted below:]

“The Problem of Proof” presents a full-spectrum empiricism: sensory, mental, and spiritual experience, all of which are equally experiential and can be validated, with evidence that is open to confirmation or rejection by the community.”

Eye to Eye: The Quest for the New Paradigm
Ken Wilber
3rd Ed. (with new Preface)
https://amzn.com/157062741X

/ end of section about eye to eye copied from my other WordPress page

Video: “Interview With Former Non-duality Speaker Guy Smith” (Jessica Nathanson, 2022) [1]

1:11:45 – he says what I say!! “One is saying there’s only matter, on the other, one saying there’s only consciousness.”

Guy Smith:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKJUcEynxU&t=4305s = 1:11:45
71 & 60 + 45 = 4305s —
“what’s the opposite of relating just like um kind of just like
1:11:19
yeah you just like to kind of debase the person you just say that’s baseless

and it’s
1:11:24
and I feel like comedy is quite like that

[god, buckets of junk words to delete! “and i think that it’s sort of kind of like, you know, blah blah – JUST SAY YOUR POINT!!]

There’s an interesting tie-in between duality on the one hand, and new atheism [similarly] on the other hand and they both tend to have this kind of very like contemptuous kind of stance of like “that’s a load of nonsense this is truth”

— Funnily enough, [ton contrast those two arrogant systems] given that one [athieism] is saying there’s only matter, on the other, one [pop nonduality] saying there’s only consciousness.

[That sounds like my rejection of “both sides” in the Mysticism Wars: cartoon materialist junk “Science” vs cartoon junk “Mysticism”. A pox on both their houses. -Michael Hoffman

WHOSE “SCIENCE”?
WHOSE “MYSTICISM”?

or, using Guy Smith’s terms:

WHOSE “ATHEISM”?
WHOSE “NON-DUALITY ENLIGHTENMENT”?

LOL he says “don’t write a book in your 20s” 1:14:45]

Should I Make a Page w/ Cleanup Transcript? Good Content!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKJUcEynxU con’t

Junk words galore though; would require tons of cleanup by me.

Transcript short excerpt con’t:

1:11:47

You can see the big kind of splits there the kind of black and white thinking very much

yeah um but I was just thinking
1:11:52
about it because also like

There’s comedians who have got very kind of like involved in that and you’re like Ricky Gervais who’s kind of big on his atheism and his kind of contempt for anything.

[sounds like ex-psychedelicist James Kent condemning Egodeath theory for explaining myth, and like Alan Houot writes in Rise of the Psychonaut:
“You are immature, irrational, mentally ill, and unfit to do science exploring discovery, if you are at all in any way interested in esotericism/ myth/ religion/ mysticism/ spirituality.”
<– good wording, add to Houot book club page ]

Book Review: Rise of the Psychonaut (Houot, 2025)

Copied to my Rise of the Psychonaut page, which is the master copy:

this is an older copy; newer is in my Rise of the Psychonaut page, which is better than what got submitted to Amazon (slightly) so far.

Alan Houot’s basic idea in Rise of the Psychonaut is that instead of restricting psychedelics to the therapy approach and the mysticism approach, we should also (or, instead?) use the “Science explorer discoverer, using tools and technology” approach to psychedelics.

However, Houot’s particular conceptualization of Science and exploration (as well has his atheist-brand conception of Religion and mysticism) is narrow and quirky.

It’s unclear what useful, relevant tools and technologies are provided so far, by Houot’s approach. How exactly does reading Houot’s publications help the psychonaut during the peak window of the intense mystic altered state, to have viable, stable control? Mystical surrender is not an option, theorizes Houot, but we could use shamans’ successful technologies such as dance and drumming.

My book review includes, as background, Houot’s interests per his dissertation and article: Toward a Philosophy of Psychedelic Technology: An Exploration of Fear, Otherness, and Control; The Psychonaut’s Ship: Pairing Technologies with Psychedelics to Augment User Agency.

To develop his model, Houot should (as planned) model the dynamics of “surrender” to produce stable control in the altered state, per a book of useful even if merely folk wisdom that I can recommend, Michelle Janikian’s book Your Psilocybin Mushroom Companion: An Informative, Easy-to-Use Guide to Understanding Magic Mushrooms—From Tips and Trips to Microdosing and Psychedelic Therapy.

I wish Rise of the Psychonaut treated Houot’s next-favorite topic after alien entities contact, his critique of ‘surrenderism’, contrasted against shamans, who have full self-control in the psychedelic state due to their superior technology, and never need to do something like ‘surrender’. It would be really interesting to analyze and discuss the concept of ‘surrender’ with Houot: what are the dynamics there, to produce stable control? How does personal control transform, rather than just staying as-is and handing over the wheel of control, untransformed, as-is, to the revealed level of control that’s hidden behind the scenes?

Houot doesn’t engage with altered-state based Rock lyrics reporting problems with steering a ship (No One at the Bridge; S.A.T.O.), or the myth of Dionysus and the pirates, where the captain doesn’t honor Dionysus and is killed, while the pilot honors Dionysus and is saved.

Houot should question whether shamans have full stable self-control, and should approach myth/ esotericism/ religion as analogy to be used effectively by a Science-based approach, rather than a scorched-earth, wholesale rejection of any interest in a mystical approach to psychedelics.

When Science recognizes esotericism as analogy describing psychedelic transformation, then Science can use analogy properly and powerfully, to explain mental model transformation in the altered state (as a 1st-tier concern), and also, as a 2nd-tier concern, explain how religion is analogy trying to describe psychedelic mental model transformation.

Then use Engineering product development to deliver a useful tool that’s ergonomic, relevant, clear & simple, to help and suitably equip cognitive scientists and everyone to endure and explore the altered state. (I’m describing my own approach per the Egodeath theory of psychedelic eternalism; thank you Houot for encouraging me to write a book.)

5 of 5 stars for Houot’s much-needed basic idea, but, be warned! On page 10, this book says that you are immature, irrational, mentally ill, and unfit to do science exploration discovery, if you are at all in any way interested in esotericism/ myth/ religion/ mysticism/ spirituality, or if you use any other approach to psychedelics for any purpose and motive other than “Science” and “Technology” exactly as the author conceptualizes it — which is, approaching psychedelics as if exploring the physical external world like ships in the 1400s, and alien entities contact in the psychedelic state, like NASA.

A psychedelic church’s astute book club immediately picked up on this false-dichotomy, adversarial quote:

“Please put this book down if you’ve never ingested psychedelics or if you take them for therapeutic, recreational, religious, spiritual growth, personal growth, cognitive enhancement, creativity-inspirational, or self-actualizing purposes. It’s not for you … With that said, my message will not resonate with everyone.” – p. 10

Later in the book, Houot writes that we should not entirely write-off religion, because that would be closed-minded.

— Michael Hoffman, theorist of ego death

/ end of review

https://www.amazon.com/Psilocybin-Mushroom-Companion-Easy-Mushrooms/dp/1646043901/

Where did i move my quotes, out from my Rise of the Psychonaut page?! eg “with that said” – 1 of these 4 pages:
https://egodeaththeory.org/?s=%22with+that+said%22

Please put this book down if you’ve never ingested psychedelics or if you take them for therapeutic, recreational, religious, spiritual growth, personal growth, cognitive enhancement, creativity-inspirational, or self-actualizing purposes. It’s not for you … With that said, my message will not resonate with everyone.

page 10, Rise of the Psychonaut: Maps for Amateurs, Nonscientists and Explorers in the Psychedelic Age of Discovery (Houot, 2025) https://egodeaththeory.org/2024/12/24/rise-of-the-psychonaut-houot-2025/ & https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPSJGMFR

You are immature, irrational, mentally ill, and unfit to do science exploration discovery, if you are at all in any way interested in esotericism/ myth/ religion/ mysticism/ spirituality, or if you use any other approach to psychedelics for any purpose and motive other than “Science” and “Technology” exactly as I conceptualize it — which is, approaching psychedelics as if exploring the physical external world like ships in the 1400s, and alien entities contact in the psychedelic state, like NASA. But we should not entirely write-off religion, because that would be closed-minded.

Rise of the Psychonaut: Maps for Amateurs, Nonscientists and Explorers in the Psychedelic Age of Discovery (Houot, 2025) https://egodeaththeory.org/2024/12/24/rise-of-the-psychonaut-houot-2025/ & https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPSJGMFR

Transcript con’t

Transcirpt con’t:

and and I was just thinking about like humor like
1:12:09
because there’s a hu … comedians … Richie Gervais…. his atheitsm, contempt for …. [the little, lower people]

[Smith talks here like:
Spiritual Narcissism, Ego Inflation, Evolutionary Spirituality (Jules Evans)]

cista mystica snake basket
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=cista+mystica+snake+basket
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=cista+mystica

Don’t Stop at eternalism-thinking (gives “balance” in Sense 1 during altered state) and Repudiating Possibilism-thinking; “Balance” in Sense #2 requires Integrating Qualified possibilism-thinking + …. ! *qualified eternalism-thinking*

New idea 8 4 1 apr 16 2025: “qualified eternalism-thinking”.

April 16, 2025: The Egodeath Theory Created the Concept-Label “qualified eternalism-thinking” to Balance Out the Concept “qualified possibilism-thinking”

  1. Only have naive possibilism-thinking (lack eternalism-thinking). 1987
  2. Lock-in eternalism-thinking (repudiating possibilism-thinking). 1997
  3. Integrate qualified possibilism-thinking + qualified eternalism-thinking. the project of 2000-2025, marked by / starting w/ Coraxo in Gnosticism Yahoo Group (2000?) pointing out to me that the 1997 core theory (the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence) cannot discuss Late Antiquity aspiration to transcend block-universe eternalism.

It is POSSIBLE to find in Archive.org the posting where Coraxo pointed out to me the lack of analogy-capability of 1997 core Egodeath theory. Around 2000. Before June 2001 where I posted “coraxo” in Egodeath Yahoo Group. Then I got David Ulansey’s solution explaining Mithraism, book in 2001, which focuses on “transcend heimarmene”. I am not crediting Coraxo entirely

Nor do I give ALL credit to Giorgio Samorini 1998 for FINALLY following up on Panofsky’s lead about “there are hundreds of mushroom-trees”.

As soon as I started seriously researching Myth in 1998, it was inevitably destined by Fate, written in the stars, [right there you see how wrong Wouter Hanegraaff is: the expression “written in the stars” would FORCE Hanegraaff to say it! say it! say “Ogdoad = Fate” aginst his huge folly quote, “the Ogdoad above the heimarmene”

As soon as I started seriously researching Myth in 1998, it was inevitable that I would encounter this failing / limitation of the simple basic 2-level model of the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence 1997, egodeath core theory.

The only reason I didn’t develop the idea of “transcend block-universe eternalism” earlier…

Note my 1991 drawing ink, the VISUAL GRAPHICAL (! LIKE MEDIEVAL DIAGRAMMATIC ART) seed of the idea of “transcend eternalism”, about 8 years before my 1997 theory spec asserting basic 2-level model lacking “integrate eternalism”.

I confirmed the other day: my 1997 spec lacks any hook (more than microscopic trace) for the idea of “transcend determinism”.

If I delete just 2 words from my 1997 spec, it would be purely a basic, 2-level model, with NO TRACE of the idea of “integrate block-universe eternalism w/ egoic branching-thinking”.

Michael Hoffman, ~1991, ink brush in blank art book

The Egodeath Theory’s Revealing of the Folly of Hanegraaff & All Scholars of Hermetism Was Written in the Stars

Wouter Hanegraaff:

the Ogdoad above the heimarmene [ie sphere 8 is pure from the pollution of having fixed stars]

Hermetic Spirituality and the Historical Imagination: Altered States of Knowledge in Late Antiquity (Wouter Hanegraaff, 2022) https://egodeaththeory.org/2022/07/14/hermetic-spirituality-and-the-historical-imagination-altered-states-of-knowledge-in-late-antiquity-hanegraaff/ & https://www.amazon.com/Hermetic-Spirituality-Historical-Imagination-Knowledge/dp/1009123068/

fated; predestined; inevitable = written in the stars [ie Fatedness = sphere 8 fixed stars]

everyone throughout history

“Mushroom-Trees” in Christian Art (Giorgio Samorini, 1998)
https://www.samorini.it/doc1/sam/sam-alberifungo-1998.pdf
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/mushroom-trees-in-christian-art-samorini/

integrated possibilism/eternalism thinking — combines/ integrates qualified possibilism-thinking + qualified eternalism-thinking

Crop by Michael Hoffman, Apr. 16, 2025 (tight crop)

qet <– proof that the idea is new: no keyboard shortcut yet

qualified eternalism-thinking
qet

! this could mark a kind of milestone for my recent work on shifting away from marketing “eternalism” toward marketing “virtual freewill”, “virtual branching possibilities”; you always use possibilism-thinking even during peak window of intense mystic altered state

peak window of the intense mystic altered state
pwimas

Moving Past Non-Duality

joke re: article “Moving Past Mysticism in Psychedelic Science”.

Video: “Interview With Former Non-duality Speaker Guy Smith” (Jessica Nathanson, 2022)

Video title:
Interview With Former Non-duality Speaker Guy Smith
youtube ch: The Glorious Both-And [= Jessica Nathanson]
Oct 17, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKJUcEynxU
“Ex Non-dualist Author Guy Smith on Moving Beyond Neo-Advaita … Guy Smith is former non-dualist.”

Guy Smith says, “We need critics of non-dual doctrine, self doesn’t exist, you are an illusion, etc.” — Egodeath theory TO THE RESCUE, ie i have criticism in spades, of Pop Spir’y.

Transcript excerpt cleaned up by Michael Hoffman; quick post of her key statement at 31:09 esp. 31:20 at the word “integrate“:

Jessica Nathanson: [31:09]

but what that experience will mean affects that

Guy: yeah

Jessica Nathanson:

So I thought to myself

and curious what you think or other people is let’s say

Before I had had my big ego drop experience, if I had been told:

What you are is more than just a separate self and an ego.

And when this you’re gonna have this experience or if you have this experience where your sense of self, and it falls away, and you’re open to this other dimension of reality, that’s not the be all end-all either.

[4D spacetime block universe eternalism

Eternalism-thinking (in narrow, exclusive sense) is not the end-state of Psilocybin transformation. The actual end-state is integrated possibilism/eternalism thinking, combining qualified possibilism-thinking & qualified eternalism-thinking as well; both are qualified. Sacrifice Isaac in a way, preserve Isaac, in a way.

Eadwine’s version w/ gateway forward, is nice:

Crop by Michael Hoffman

I wish for keyboard shortcut for what God says to Abr: because YOU HAVE(!) DONE THIS THING AND NOT(!) WITHHELD YOUR SON”.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sacrifice+of+isaac Gen 22
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%2022&version=NIV –

Isaac says {fire}, wood = {branches} – equivalent to burning bush.

{fire} = disproof of egoic personal control system in intense mystic altered state. “burnt offering” = the mind is made to disprove the basis of egoic personal control system, and repudiate that and not rely on that.

This is not a demand you must agree to; this is a realization of how things actually are, that is impressed on your mind by the higher controller.

Isaac is made to realize the nullity of his assumed foundation, now made able to see.

Sacrifice of Isaac (Van der Borch)

Sacrifice of Isaac (Canterbury Psalter)

Sacrifice of Isaac (Golden Psalter)

Bible Excerpt: Gen 22, Sacrifice of Isaac

““The fire and wood are here,” Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?”

8 Abraham answered, “God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.” And the two of them went on together.

9 When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. 11 But the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!”

“Here I am,” he replied.

12 “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”

13 Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram[a] caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called that place The Lord Will Provide. And to this day it is said, “On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided.””

15 The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring[b] all nations on earth will be blessed,[c] because you have obeyed me.”

Gen 22:15 – You HAVE Done This Thing, You Have NOT Withheld Your Son

keyboard shortcut (condensed; for general purpose for Egodeath theory):

“The fire and wood are here,” Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?” Abraham answered, “God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering. Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son. Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. Because you have done this and have not withheld your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky. Through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.” Gen 22:7-18 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%2022%3A7-18&version=NIV
s-o-i
gen22

Only the Egodeath theory — which the mushroom-tree artists understood — explains the SENSE IN WHICH Abr sacr’d Isaac and did not sacr Isaac.

the mushroom-tree artists
mta

Gen 22:15 —
NIV: “Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”
I like KJB, “because you have done this thing“(!) – ERROR: I FAILED TO INCLUDE FINAL PARAGRAPH.

Transcript:

That’s right.

That’s like the other half of the picture.

There’s the personal, and then there’s this more Universal or impersonal.

but you’re not going to stop there.

You’re going to keep going and integrate that back together

so that the self is still there, it’s still real, but it’s not it’s not all of what’s real.

[CRUDE WORDING! instead ask “in what sense, self?” -Michael Hoffman]

right like

It’s part of something greater.

If I had been told that [as per Egodeath theory, if Egodeath theory (or Ken Wilber) had told her that], how would that have affected the whole trajectory of my Awakening path and of my even direct experience?

Guy Smith:

How do you think it would have affected your experience?

Jessica Nathanson:

I mean I think it would have it would have been um

I wish that that had been the case, because I wouldn’t have had these notions of needing to, when the self comes back online that I need to then fight against it or look down on that or feel you know like this is just an illusion that needs to be gotten rid of.

Don’t Look Down on Isaac, Your Beloved Child-Thinking: Rely on It; “Embrace and IncludeTM” Isaac (Ken Wilber)

transcript con’t:

Guy Smith:

I think I think we’ve kind of talked about this before

[32:45]

I think I possibly go even further than you in that direction.

and I appreciate that you know

I like your position because it’s very inclusive

[he or she talking?]

but I maybe just because

Guy Smith:

I need to lean on this side more because especially with people I’m working with and yeah myself I need to really like be an advocate of of people’s kind of personal kind of power and intelligence and creativity, which absolutely gets shut out by the view that everything’s already decided and it already is, and there’s no nothing you can do.

[SUCH CRUDE WAY OF SPEAKING! JUNK POP SPIR’Y – this horrible garbled talk is why I wrote-off and plundered the literature in 1986, and had to roll-my-own model of ego transcendence/ Transcendent Knowledge that is (my Engineering mantra:) USEFUL, HELPFUL, RELEVANT, SIMPLE, CLEAR.
– Michael Hoffman]

um and

[I don’t like how this evidence, that supposedly non-drug meditation has powerful effects, contradicts my claim that meditation has no effect nothing. I can still claim that:

Non-drug meditation has INSUFFICIENT transformative power.

Proof that non-drug meditation is bogus: it produces confusion like “self doesn’t exist.” It produces what Wilber warns against, shattering of lower developmental structures, rather than transcend-and-include them.

dis-identify with, embrace, and include possibilism-thinking
deipt

dis-identify with, embrace, and include possibilism-thinking
important word Ken Wilber: “embrace”

dis-identify with, transcend, and include lower developmental structures
dti

dis-identify with, transcend, embrace, and include lower developmental structures, per Ken Wilber
dtei
could add “integrate”, or re-integrate & transform egoic thinking; possibilism-thinking.

– Michael Hoffman]

Transcript continues:

Guy Smith:

What strikes me is though like

When I first had a kind of like a kind of adult spiritual kind of experience, it was just through kind of meditation and it was really blissful and lovely

At this point, I hadn’t heard of the word ‘non-dual’, let alone the whole kind of scene.

and if I think about it it was in a sense

it was very personal because it was in a way I was like I I guess

I’d grown up in a world which had kind of shaped how I saw myself

and then that was kind of unquestioned

and then in this experience it was a kind of a somehow finding a way to to kind of did like let go of that and to really start to feel myself and feel reality and see myself in my own way rather than a way that I just kind of inherited

and I think I think that

The sad thing is that people often you know they’ll have their own experience and there’s like a million experiences so I’m not trying to make this some kind of special cherished experience you have to have.

There’s just something that happened to me that was kind of very powerful and nice

um but I think

It was an experience of me trusting my own sense of things so ironically then I was looking around I guess that’s something people often do

that

You have this novel thing happen, and you want somebody else to tell you what it means, what that’s all about.

☸️🌳💥🔨

[it’s about ELIMINATE & GET RID OF & DESTROY POSSIBILISM-THINKING!
☸️🌳💥🔨
THERE IS NO-FREE-WILL!
THERE ARE NO BRANCHING POSSIBILITIES! – Cybermonk 1997]

and that’s I think where I then

That’s kind of sad in a way that people go that way because actually what it is is a big opening up of their own sense of like … how they see things, how they sense …
Guy Smith continues…

/ end of transcript excerpt cleaned up by Michael Hoffman

Against Nonduality Unity Oneness Advaita

After decades, I pinned down Ken Wilber as merely non-drug Advaita.

Integral Theory is excuses for failing to deliver any promised enlightenment after decades of wasteful meditation.

In 1986 I read the books in the field, as failed theories to [junk yard reclaimation word] to plunder and transform to repair.

Unlike how Alan Houot says “reject all religion spir mysticism esotericism”, my strategy instead is PLUNDER THE WRECKAGE OF FAILED ATTEMPTS AT ENLIGHTENMENT.

Plunder the Wreckage of Failed Entheogen Scholarship, Advaita, Mysticism

Video title:
Interview With Former Non-duality Speaker Guy Smith
ch: The Glorious Both-And [her YouTube channel, brand, website]
Oct 17, 2022

Desc:

“Ex Non-dualist Author Guy Smith on Moving Beyond Neo-Advaita…

“Guy Smith is a writer, body psychotherapist and former non-dualist.

“His first book, This Is Unimaginable & Unavoidable was written from the perspective of radical non-duality and made him a known figure within the community.

“His second book, Mystery Not Mastery, though also written from a non-dual perspective, contained his first criticisms of Western non-duality.

“Now, 16 years on, he’s writing a novel about the dark side of non-duality.

“He’s been working therapeutically with people from the non-dual community for over a decade.”

The Egodeath Community Is Not a Non-Dual Community

the Egodeath community > the non-dual community

joke

> means “is better than”

After No-Self, You Must Integrate Self and No-Self

Great Canterbury Psalter f145 row 1 L: warning cubensis traders about control instability resulting from relying on possibilism-thinking; possibility-branching model pbm

the possibility-branching model
pbm

the possibility-branching mental model
pbmm

the possibility-branching model of time and control
pbmtc

Crop by Michael Hoffman
Crop by Michael Hoffman, Feb. 27, 2023

Rush: Cygnus, the God of Balance

Balance is also a theme of kylix cup, designed to fall over.

Confirmed that the WordPress gallery July 2022 has the book photo:

Photo: Michael Hoffman
pmh

Greek Myths book that covers Rush song Cygnus god of balance – found it! https://egodeaththeory.org/2022/07/14/idea-development-page-14/#Cygnus-the-God-of-Balance – copypaste:

God of Balance (from Dougherty’s 2019 Book Greek Myths & Legends)

Rush passage in Dougherty’s Greek Myths & Legends book https://www.amazon.com/Greek-Myths-Titans-Odysseus-Histories/dp/1782747508 – has Preview pages. My cover is Hercules wrestling lion instead.

Site: Egodeath.com
Page: Rush Lyrics Alluding to Mystic Dissociative Phenomena
Section in page: Cygnus X-1, & Hemispheres
http://egodeath.com/rushlyrics.htm#xtocid22949

positive identification as Amanita by Cybermonk 2020
Photo credit: Cybermonk 10/10/2010 10:10 a.m.
Photo credit: Cybermonk 10/10/2010 10:10 a.m.

“Because you have done this thing of not withholding Isaac your only, beloved son, so I will reward you with a future.” – God to Abraham.

Abraham DID sacrifice Isaac, child thinking; ie MODIFY NOT DEMOLISH.

Per Ken Wilber, modify, not demolish, earlier developmental structures.

Revise and integrate, not destroy.

Jessica Nathanson Demolishing Non-Duality Fake Religion

About Jessica Nathanson, from other video:

“Jessica Nathanson is dedicated to spreading awareness about the pitfalls of radically imbalanced non-dual teachings and exploring how to engage with non-dual spirituality in a way that honours rather than denigrates the individual self and inspires human flourishing towards the highest good for all. She is trained as a spiritual emergency coach.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XQLCpU-TBY
that Video title: “Q&A on ‘What’s Wrong with NonDual Spirituality’“

At 31:00 she says similar to me recently, INTEGRATE NO-SELF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKJUcEynxU&t=1860s

  1. have self
  2. self is illusion; have no self
  3. integrate self + no-self.

she seems the gullible brains behind the operation, not Tim Freke,

Debunking Neo-Advaita: Wisdom Is an Illusion; Wisdom Doesn’t Exist

joke

self doesn’t exist

stupid binary statements, fake profundity

your IQ doesn’t exist

“time is an illusion” –> your profundity is an illusion

IN WHAT SENSE is time an illusion? Too hard intellectual work for these ADVAITA BUMS, meditation hucksters.

title of bricklin book the illusion of time, self, and will, wm james reluctnant guide to enlightenment

Benefit of Egodeath Theory: Shuts Out Bad Religion eg Neo Advaita

The Task of Scientific Explanation: 1st-, 2nd-, & 3rd-Order Tasks

Michael Hoffman, April 15, 2025
Meant to write “Psychedelic Transformation”, not Psilocybin.
Title, date, & signature would be good.
change “previous” to “the OLD theory” (disparaging)
  1. 1997: explain Psilocybin transformation
  2. 2007: explain analogy myth.
  3. 2025: explain why Advaita is inferior theory. eg friend advises me to just ignore the wrong theories – it’s a 3rd tier concern.

The definition of ‘analogy’ is perfect for Egodeath theory as Science explanatory framework.

Metaphor is bad, confusing, fiction, as when a theory is BASED IN metaphor or BASED IN analogy, that’s bad, that’s the problem to be avoided/solved in a successful theory.

Great voice recording April 15, 2025 (other than experimental noise gate that’s binary on/off (not muddy, but clippy).

1st Order: Explain Psilocybin Transformation (1997 theory spec)

Self-control Cybernetics, Dissociative Cognition, & Mystic Ego Death (1997 core theory spec) (Hoffman, 1997) https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/30/self-control-cybernetics-dissociative-cognition-mystic-ego-death/

2nd Order: Explain Analogy Myth as Description (Reflection) of Psilocybin Transformation (2007 main article, + normal science fill-in 2020)

The Entheogen Theory of Religion and Ego Death (Hoffman, 2007 main article) http://egodeath.com/EntheogenTheoryOfReligion.htm & https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/the-entheogen-theory-of-religion-and-ego-death-2006-main-article/

James Kent & Alan Houot fail to leverage analogy and myth, in their crude, lazy, scorched-earth total dismissal of religion/ spir’y/ myth/ esotericism.

Science does not “get rid of” analogy; Science is not based in analogy; Science leverages analogy in order to explain the 1st-order target.

Myth is analogy reflecting Psilocybin transformation. The 2nd-order explanandum of an ideal Science theory is myth as analogy.

I experienced Oct 1985 or especially April 1987-Feb 1997 as “revolutionary science”, to write the core theory.

I experienced 1998-2007 as “revolutionary science” to explain myth and use myth to corroborate the core theory.

I experienced 2010-Nov. 2020 as relatively “normal science”, filling in my 2007 framework.

Nov. 2020 was a breakthrough in that.

Dec. 2020-April 2025, continued the fill-in project of Normal Science fleshing-in that explanatory framework.

3rd Order: Explain the Old Theory eg “Surrender to Psychedelic Ego Dissolution”

Video: Free Will, Morality, Self Awareness | Robert Sapolsky

I didn’t pay attention to this, but the 4-hour vid surveying what physicists said on this topic on this channel, is a build up to this.

d/k what’s so special about this guy’s take, superior to the other 25 guys.

Video:
Free Will, Morality, Self Awareness | Robert Sapolsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IqA1hYKY8
ch: Curt Jaimungal
Dec 29, 2023

“Robert Sapolsky joins Curt Jaimungal to discuss some of the most important topics of our time.

“Topics discussed include

  • morality,
  • free will,
  • the justice system,
  • intuition, and
  • chaos theory.”

A Special Hell for the 99% of Liars Who Censor “Nitrous” from William James, Including the First Sentence Ken Wilber Published

Granted, James writes awkwardly; he does not write a smooth lead-in, like:

On nitrous oxide, I saw that our normal waking consciousness is but one special type.

What I wish James wrote

Some years ago I myself made some observations on this aspect of nitrous oxide intoxication, and reported them in print. One conclusion was forced upon my mind at that time, and my impression of its truth has ever since remained unshaken. It is that our normal waking consciousness, rational consciousness as we call it, is but one special type of consciousness, whilst all about it, parted from it by the filmiest of screens, there lie potential forms of consciousness entirely different.

What James actually wrote

Now that I have the quote, can do a better Web search.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22made+some+observations+on+this+aspect+of+nitrous+oxide+intoxication%22

Thank God! Cool, this page https://kwize.com/quote/7276 actually has a “Context” section that forces the bullsh!tters to come out:

“Some years ago I myself made some observations on this aspect of nitrous oxide intoxication, and reported them in print. [ALWAYS CENSORED!]

“One conclusion was forced upon my mind at that time, and my impression of its truth has ever since remained unshaken.

“It is that our normal waking consciousness, rational consciousness as we call it, is but one special type of consciousness, whilst all about it, parted from it by the filmiest of screens, there lie potential forms of consciousness entirely different.

“We may go through life without suspecting their existence; but apply the requisite stimulus, and at a touch they are there in all their completeness, definite types of mentality which probably somewhere have their field of application and adaptation.”

But read the entire page, around that, too, at Gutenberg.org link below.

Single paragraph:

“Some years ago I myself made some observations on this aspect of nitrous oxide intoxication, and reported them in print. One conclusion was forced upon my mind at that time, and my impression of its truth has ever since remained unshaken. It is that our normal waking consciousness, rational consciousness as we call it, is but one special type of consciousness, whilst all about it, parted from it by the filmiest of screens, there lie potential forms of consciousness entirely different. We may go through life without suspecting their existence; but apply the requisite stimulus, and at a touch they are there in all their completeness, definite types of mentality which probably somewhere have their field of application and adaptation.” —

Read this entire page:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/621/621-h/621-h.html#:~:text=It%20is%20that%20our%20normal%20waking%20consciousness%2C%20rational%20consciousness%20as%20we%20call%20it%2C%20is%20but%20one%20special%20type%20of%20consciousness%2C%20whilst%20all%20about%20it%2C%20parted%20from%20it%20by%20the%20filmiest%20of%20screens%2C%20there%20lie%20potential%20forms%20of%20consciousness%20entirely%20different

https://iai.tv/articles/the-metaphysics-of-laughing-gas-auid-2234 – – Brian Quass on 10 September 2022 wrote:

“Like almost every other scientist and philosopher today, Jonathan reckons without [taking into account the distorting effect of] the Drug War.

“He discusses the effects of laughing gas but fails to even note by way of disclaimer that modern science is actually forbidden from investigating the potential insights that William James experienced under the influence of that gas.

“Sure, we can speculate on them at will from our “drug-free” universities, but even to repeat his modest experiment would risk bringing law enforcement down on our heads.

“As for undertaking his experiments using alternative mind enhancers, like psilocybin or MDMA, the DEA will put every roadblock that they can find in the way as they struggle to maintain their pernicious relevance in 21st-century America.

“For the fact is that we live in a world in which scientists are censored every bit as much as Galileo when it comes to what lines of research they can follow, and authors should be pointing that out via disclaimer in every single paper that they write about a subject dealing with expanded or improved consciousness and the use of psychoactive substances.

“After all, the anti-scientific Drug War will never end if we never admit that it actually exists, that science today is not being performed from a natural baseline but that

we are forbidden from even accessing substances whose use might cause us to challenge the assumptions upon which reductive materialism is based.”

A Lot of Mystical Experiences Happen on Psychedelics at Festivals

“Iryana Mosina – Recreational Versus Intentional Psychedelic Substance Use?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbwF92OzSIU&list=WL&index=5&t=485s – 35:40

Meditation Makes Monks More Egotistical and Selfish and Afraid of Death

Reported by Roy Baumeister in video:

Video title:
Roy Baumeister: Free Will, The Self, Ego, Will Power
YouTube channel: Curt Jaimungal
Apr. 5, 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXoK-C2c2AQ&t=5310s = 1:28:30

Exoteric Meditation vs. Esoteric Meditation

Which type of “meditation” are the researchers covering?

Whose “Science”?

Whose “Religion”?

Whose “Meditation”? ie, exoteric vs esoteric (to use one set of terms)

Are the Terms Exoteric and Esoteric Proper to the Egodeath theory lexicon?

Not sure. These terms are useful sometimes to me, but that’s not enough to make them part of my theory’s lexicon.

Compare Ken Wilber terms Pre/Trans fallacy, “dis-identify, embrace, and include”.

Dis-identify with, Embrace, and Include Possibilism-Thinking

dis-identify with, embrace, and include possibilism-thinking
dieai

dis-identify with, embrace, and include possibilism-thinking
eipt
deipt

Dis-identify with, embrace, and include childish egoic possibilism-thinking, modified/ qualified/ purified/ washed clean.

the Egodeath theory lexicon
etl

the Egodeath theory conceptual vocabulary
etcv

Egodeath-Theory Concepts Collection
etcc

Egodeath theory core concepts
etccs

This is the bunk type of “meditation”, not authentic, Psilocybin meditation that causes mental model transformation from possibilism to eternalism.

The researchers would need to re-conduct the experiment using the real type of meditation, not EXOTERIC MEDITATION.

Findings reported by Roy Baumeister, discussed in a video.

The Egodeath Theory of Psychedelic Eternalism Has Nothing to Do with Size of Ego

I am only criticizing meditation hucksters for making inflated claims for meditation that they don’t deliver on, while insulting Psilocybin – as if meditation didn’t come from Psilocybin.

I would never criticize anyone for being egotistical or proud in relation to other people – that has NOTHING to do with Transcendent Knowledge or the key dynamic of ego death; mental model transformation.

The Egodeath theory has nothing whatsoever to do with being more or less egotistical – they are distinct tangential or orthogonal topics.

For example, I am the world’s greatest person 🤴 at doing theory development the way that I do it.

That claim has NOTHING to do with the theory of mental model transformation about control and time and possibility-branching.

Do not conflate the theory of ego transcendence with mere mundane humility, that would be a kind of reductionism (replacing topic A by topic B).

There is a 100% humility in affirming eternalism, the total nullity of ego in a certain restricted particular sense, vs. making your ego a little bigger or smaller which seems more the the futility – I said in Jan 1988 – of the Ken Wilber model of e transcendence e-transcendence ego transcendence.

I wrote/ argued/ reasoned in Jan. 1988, advocating my theory over Ken Wilber’s, as indication that THIS is the true explanation of ego transcendence and that the entire field of transpersonal psychology was wrong about the nature of ego transcendence.

I knew that my breakthrough was entire, in Jan. 1988, that ego transcendence is NOT about endless decades [non-drug thus pseudo-] meditation to reduce size of ego.

Enlightenment must be instant and radical, i agreed with the Way of Zen by Alan Watts.

Ego transcendence must be/ clearly is about loose cognitive state, mental model transformation from possibilism to eternalism, which entirely 100% cancels ego.

The fact of 100% cancelling ego in a way, was my proof in Jan. 1988 that I had achieved the expected breakthrough in scientifically explaining what ego transcendence is REALLY about, against the poorly conceived model, THE OLD MODEL; THE PREVIOUS, “Ken Wilber & TRANSPERSONAL PSYCHOLOGY”, OLD PARADIGM AND OLD EXPLANATORY FRAMEWORK.

explanatory framework
exfw

transpersonal psychology
trps

Against Ken Wilber’s model through 1987, ego transcendence is ACTUALLY only achieved through 100% cancellation via block-universe eternalism in the loose cognitive state.

The Components of the 1988 Breakthrough Theory: the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence

The components of the Jan. 11, 1988 breakthrough theory that came together:

  • binary mental-model transformation per the Way of Zen by Alan Watts.
  • block-universe eternalism per Minkowski 4D spacetime block universe.
  • the loose cognitive state – mental model transformation in the loose cognitive state [1987 terms: loose mental functioning binding; loose cognitive association binding; mental construct association matrix; mental constructs; mental construct processing]
  • the cross-time self-control system – mental model of personal control system across time; the cross-time personal control system

cross-time personal control system
ctpcs

cross-time self-control system
ctscs

cross-time self-control
ctscs

mental construct matrix
mcm
a 1987 term

mental construct association matrix
mcam
a 1987 term

Minkowski 4D spacetime block universe
mfsbu

loose cognitive state
lcst

Loose Cognitive Science
lcs

Ken Wilber’s Theory Reduced and Summarized

Ken Wilber’s theory is nothing more than merely advocacy of freewill-premised, Advaita, non-drug meditation for infinite years accomplishing alleged vague complex psycho spir’l devmt per his elaborate framework, with various valuable points attached to that model such as

  • “Pre/Trans fallacy” &
  • “dis-identify with the earlier structure, then embrace and include the distinct, earlier structure.”

The two concerns are completely orthogonal and distinct.

The video link/ section below was copied from https://egodeaththeory.org/2025/03/23/books-and-citations-for-the-egodeath-theory-of-psychedelic-eternalism/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXoK-C2c2AQ&t=5310s = 1:28:30 —

Compare Tim Freke’s recent attempt to reject pop spirituality ideas.

Deconstructing the Self

Curt Jaimungal in the video says:

“Someone asks, 

“Since Roy has worked on our sense of self, it would be interesting to hear his opinion on meditation techniques that focus on deconstructing the self, even permanently.

So there’s the doctrine of anattad,  which is no self in Buddhism as  a practice or a goal in general. 

Roy Baumeister:

“That’s a very interesting question.

There’s a long passage on this in my book, The Self Explained, which was out I  think last year, or the year before.”

listed in https://egodeaththeory.org/2025/03/23/books-and-citations-for-the-egodeath-theory-of-psychedelic-eternalism/

“Because I was very interested in that too.

It turns out there’s less of that than meets the eye. [TRANSLATION: MEDITATION PROMISES & CLAIMS ARE LIES AND B.S.]

There’s this European group headed by Gebauer who studied people who meditate to see if they become less ego-oriented and so on. 

[ie egotistical, which has NOTHING to do w/ ego transcendence, or, is orthogonal, not the same topic]

As they continue to meditate over the weeks, they start to think they’re better than the other people in their yoga group.

So they become more. 

[more egotistical in social relation to other ppl]

And then there’s this researcher,  Nina Stroeminger, I think, at Yale, who tested a bunch of people on  questions related to the self and are you afraid to die, because supposedly having a self makes you afraid to die.

Or if you were sick and there was only one cure in the whole world, one dose, you could take it and it would  prolong your life by a month, or you could give it to somebody else and it would prolong their life by a month or by a year or by five years or whatever.

And so they looked at how people trade that off. 

And she sampled a whole bunch of different kinds of people,  including Zen monks.

And the monks were actually the most egotistical in the sense that they had  the highest fear of death.

[nothing bad about that per Egodeath theory, but, it is bad to make bullsh!t claims that you don’t deliver on – Egodeath theory makes no claims about “enlightenment reduces fear of literal bodily death”

Against the justification of “Psychedelic Science”, I reject connecting

  • the claim “enlightenment reduces fear of literal bodily death” w/
  • what metaphysical psychedelic enlightenment about eternalism is about]

Roy Baumeister:

“They were least likely to give up the medicine to someone else. 

I heard her present this work and she said, I did the research and I wanted to thank the monks for participating.

So I went back to the monastery and presented the results there and they were kind of mad.

That’s extremely interesting.

I clearly won’t be able to go back there and do it anymore.

There’s some other arguments too against the no self issue.”

The Problem Is Extremely Sloppy & Unintelligent Use of Language in Meditation and Mysticism

Roy Baumeister:

“And in terms of basic things, I mean, the Zen monks, even the enlightened ones, it’s not like they put their shoes on somebody else’s feet because they can’t tell the difference.

I mean, they know the difference.”

Overemphasis on “Enlightenment = Nondual Unity Oneness”

Roy Baumeister:

“I think what the no self means is that there’s not a separate thing, that the self only exists  in relationship to others. 

This goes back to, I think, Nagarjuna, the Buddhist philosopher, who talked about emptiness and the self was empty, but not in the  sense that it doesn’t exist at all.

It’s just, it doesn’t have an independent  existence, it rather exists in relation to others.

In Western philosophy, David Hume and   Immanuel Kant had somewhat of the same exchange.

Hume said, I can’t find myself as just a bundle of perceptions.

And Kant said, well, but I perceive   myself perceiving something and Hume was right.

I don’t just perceive myself the way I perceive a table or a shoe or whatever, but I perceive myself doing, you kind of catch yourself in the act of doing something.

So that’s it. 

By the way, when you were asking what people  could do to improve their willpower, meditation is a fine thing to do it, because it is a  pure mental self-control exercise in many respects.

Concentrate on this, count your breaths, visualize this, focus  on this, keep your mind from wandering.”

“Dissolution of Ego”: Not Wrong, but Not a Model that’s Very Helpful, Useful, Relevant, Simple, or Clear

Roy Baumeister:

“So that’s interesting, because like the  questioner mentioned, meditation is thought of as a dissolution of ego.

But at the same time, meditation is a technique used to train the willpower, which is itself associated with ego.

Yes, and the word dissolution, I remember this back from when I was young in the hippie days, and it means to dissolve.”

‘Dissolve’ both Means Get Rid of, and Spread to Encompass and Identify with the Entire World: Boundary Dissolution

[Tim Freke Warns Against advocacy of “dissolve the ego”.

Ken Wilber warns against psychotic destruction of mental constructions; they should be modified and kept intact and re-integrated, not wholly shattered .

Tim Freke 2025 would do well to read Ken Wilber’s warnings in his early books 1977.]

Roy Baumeister:

“So you can take it to mean that it disappears or that it merges with others, which is kind emphasizing the connectedness  or the interpersonal aspect, or what I said, that the self doesn’t exist independently, but in relation to others. 

[and in relation to the hidden source of control-thoughts – warning, Roy is a social psychologist, forcing an overemphasis on the social]

And so if you meditate a lot, you may start to  feel that we’re all one and we’re all united, and so on.

But as I said, they still understand the self and this is mine and that’s yours.”

/ end of Roy’s response to audience question

Video: Roy Baumeister: Free Will, The Self, Ego, Will Power (April 2024)

At a glace, I assess that Roy Baumeister is asserting some type of compatibilism.

I used to disdain ‘compatibilism’ as a dishonest term, a mere euphemism for determinism in denial, that 99% of “compatibilists” are hardcore determinists merely labelling themselves as compatibilists, or ppl unclear on the concept of what determinism claims.

Now, late 2024 early 2025, I consider … i may have wrote along these lines since 1997 — ‘compatibilism’ can be a useful concept:

  • metaphysical reality: eternalism.
  • experience in form of possibilism.
  • the enlightened person integrates these two in some way; call that integration “compatibilism”. I am NOT saying the possibilism is the case, metaphyically.

I NO LONGER THINK THE TERM ‘COMPATIBILISM’ MUST MEAN

  • ASSERTING ETERNALISM IS THE CASE METAPHYSICALLY
    AND
  • ASSERTING POSSIBILISM IS THE CASE METAPHYSICALLY.

Whose “Compatibilism”? In what sense? I was being stupid and arguing in terms of “is compatibilism the case, yes or no?” without defining terms.

What’s the Sense in Which Compatibilism Is the Case?

I should have written in terms of:

WHAT’S THE SENSE IN WHICH COMPATIBILISM IS THE CASE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXoK-C2c2AQ —

Video title:
Roy Baumeister: Free Will, The Self, Ego, Will Power
YouTube channel: Curt Jaimungal
Apr. 5, 2024

“Roy Baumeister joins Theories of Everything to discuss

  • the complexities of free will,
  • the interplay between self-control and societal behaviors, and
  • the psychological impacts of rejection and belongingness.”

The Science of Free Will: Bridging Theory and Positive Psychology (Baumeister, Sep. 2024)

added this entry to https://egodeaththeory.org/2025/03/23/books-and-citations-for-the-egodeath-theory-of-psychedelic-eternalism/

The Science of Free Will: Bridging Theory and Positive Psychology
Roy F. Baumeister, Sep. 20, 2024 (Social Psychology)
Cornerstones in Positive Psychology
https://www.amazon.com/Science-Free-Will-Psychology-Cornerstones/dp/0197693520/ —

“This groundbreaking book sheds new scientific light on the age-old question of free will.

“Humankind evolved to flourish by creating a new kind of society, which required an advanced mind capable of recognizing possibilities and making good choices.

“No other animal operates amid economic marketplaces, shared moral principles, legal systems, religious and political institutions, and the like.

“Rather than getting bogged down in philosophical debates, The Science of Free Will surges ahead to explain how this marvelous, newly evolved mental system works.

“Some actions are freer than others, so how does one recognize and take advantage of this freedom?

Key features involve grounding actions in time and pondering multiple possible futures—

indeed understanding one’s life as a story, in which one’s actions link past, present, and future-and conscious thoughts, including

  • logical reasoning,
  • planning, and
  • overriding one’s first impulse.

“Understanding free will in this fashion reveals both the powers and the limits of the human mind.”

Toxic Evolutionary Spirituality

This section is copied, or maybe moved, from page “My Questions for Houot at Psychedelic Church Book Club”.

Then partly moved/ copied to new page, where I added more such commentary:
https://egodeaththeory.org/2025/04/13/spiritual-narcissism-ego-inflation-evolutionary-spirituality-jules-evans/

Q: Is this an “Elite Evolutionary Spirituality” Approach, the “Rational Psychonaut Science Explorer Discoverer” Approach?

Regarding the book
Rise of the Psychonaut: Maps for Amateurs, Nonscientists and Explorers in the Psychedelic Age of Discovery
Houot, 2025
https://egodeaththeory.org/2024/12/24/rise-of-the-psychonaut-houot-2025/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPSJGMFR

Houot writes that Explorers are practically required to be Fit and Atheist Rational, While Rejecting (in all senses) anything Religious, Mystical, Esoteric, Spiritual.

I was slightly broken and unfit in one way in Oct 1985-Dec 1987, after my father taught me self-help… he died from cancer in April 1987, keeping me very humble yet I was SIMPLE OPTIMISM: If we repair our mental dysfunction to gain posi-control across time AS WE EXPECT TO HAVE, then life will go smoothly and we WILL NO LONGER BE SELF-CONTRADICTING. My misssion was merely, simply to make people non-self-contradictory, that’s all!

Modest expectation! Idealistic, simplistic, modest, limited. I was never savior of humanity, promising massive expectations. I WAS LAZY UNDERACHIEVER expecting merely to be non-self-contradictory. I was never attuned at all, to any grandiose… NEITHER DID SELF-HELP EVER TELL ME (other than Leary) that the purpose of self-help is extropian super-human evolutionary etc. We never got that inflated narrative, in self-help human potential Ken Wilber … this video IMPLIES ambiguously … ambig whether Ken Wilber advocates spirituality narrr

This video wrongly implies – ambig’ly – that Ken Wilber asserts spiritual narcissism. Actually, Ken Wilber WARNED AGAINST that, in fact this video STEALS CREDIT FOR Ken Wilber’S WARNING. While using sleazy ambig “plausible deniability”. “You can’t prove that this video says Ken Wilber advocates spiritual narcissism.”

This Video’s Obnoxious Ambiguous Implication that Ken Wilber Advocates Spiritual Narcissism – Jules Evans a Ripoff of Ken Wilber

Is the video saying that some followers of Ken Wilber have spir nar?

That’s what Ken Wilber himself says we should beware of!

Ken Wilber is THE theorist of how spiritual narcissim works, and then Evans mis-frames wilber as if Wilber himself is advocating — rather than warning against – spir nar!

I identify with Evans at 50:00 reporting a bad trip, he was dmanaged, he failed acid test, shame, guilt… I relate to that.

Houot falls into the spir nar bucket.

todo: quote the video by Evans at 50:00, interesting, relatable.

Rational, Scientific, Fit, Mature, Fit to be an explorer; vs.
Irrational, Immature, Mentally Ill

Elitist Eugenics-Like Prideful Evolutionism

Is Tim Freke’s attempt at “evolutionary spirituality / emergent spirituality” like this, or not?

Perhaps such evolutionary spirituality fans attach themselves to Tim Freke.

I don’t care for Freke’s focus in Soul Story on survival of the soul after literal bodily death.

I embrace the potential of Science, WITHOUT scorched-earth dismissal of religion, sprituality, mysticism, mythology – I just think that the Sceiecne & esp. Engineering approach to explanatory useful framework to produce a useful technology for everyone, to contribute to the collective shared knowleddge base. I WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT RELIGIOUS MYTH IS ACTUALLY REFLECTING.

I cringe at the tone or framing that Houot uses, that only “fit” people are suitable to do Rational Science Discovery Exploration.

I agree that this approach is superior:

  • Rational Science discovery exploration <– superior approach, to figure out…
  • Religion, sprituality, mysticism, mythology <– the referent to be figured out.

Jan 1988: Ken Wilber says that the nature of ego transcendence is X. But I say, the scientifically clear and engineering-useful explanatory framework is, instead,

  • Block-universe eternalism
  • Psychedelic loose cognition; loose cognitive association binding
  • Mental model transformation per the Way of Zen by Alan Watts: instant, quick, binary switch of mental models.
  • To have non-dysfunctional cross-time control. So that one can “plan and do” as expected, NOTHING MORE THAN THAT – not super-respecting enlightenment; rather, I never put enlightenment on a pedestal; instead, I had a disrespectful but PRAGMATIC AND MODEST valuation of enlightenment, Transcendent Knowledge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGzEWLZHTQ –

Jules Evans – Evolutionary spirituality as a frame for psychedelic experiences

Exeter Psychedelics Group

Jan Irvin warned about this, with Huxley as Dr. Evil, contempt for the masses.

I’m too autistic to use this approach. In 1985 I was just a buggy person trying to repair their malfunctioning personal control system, and then give that explanation to everyone.

That’s it. No other narrative. I’m not a narrative guy, other than that.

In 1985, my father instructed me on leading edge human potential, self-help, transpersonal psychology.

After my block-universe eternalism breakthrough in Jan 1988, my friends had books by Leary, which I found had no appeal and no relevance.

I didn’t cross the street at Stanford in 1991 to bother going to the big psychedelics Bridge conference – that approach was not relevant enough to my project of writing-up my explanatory model of what ego transcendence is really about AND WHY WE CANNOT HAVE POSI-CONTROL ACROSS TIME.

My discovery of eternalism and its 100% total ego death cancellation of a certain sense of monolithic, autonomous control, was the opposite of personal grandiosity.

I am personally grand as an explainer of why 2-level, dependent control is the case, humbling-to-death King Ego.

When I intended to learn what ego transcendence is really about, in order to repair my dysfunctional cross-time control.

dysfunctional cross-time control
dctc

Nov 1, 2023
Talk and Q+A with Exeter Research Psychedelic Colloquium.

“One of the dominant cultural frames for psychedelics in western culture over last 130 years has been evolutionary spirituality.

“This tradition suggests human evolution is not finished and can be guided towards the creation of higher beings through such techniques as psychedelics and eugenics or genetic modification.

“But is everyone evolving into a new species, or just an elite? Jules will discuss the tradition of evolutionary spirituality, raise the ethical implications of this tradition – its tendency to spiritual narcissism, contempt for the less-evolved masses, Social Darwinism and Malthusianism, spiritual eugenics, and illiberal utopian politics—and suggest responses to these limitations.”

Found the Cosmic Defect, in Poimandres Fixating on the 7 Planets as Fate, and then Reaching Ogdoad AS IF Above Fate

copied to new page:

Here’s where all the scholars get messed up by Bad Writing by the ancients, ancients too vague and confusing and advanced but SLOPPY MYTHMAKING BY ANCIENTS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KupaADzq88g&t=2760s = 46:00 —

video title:
Hermeticism and Ancient Astrology: The Corpus Hermeticum
with Sam Block & Chris Brennan

especially 47:35 47 * 60 + 35 = 2855s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KupaADzq88g&t=2855s

ch: The Astrology Podcast
Feb 16, 2022
series playlist: The History of Astrology
has timestamps outline!

“A discussion about the ancient philosophy of Hermeticism and its relationship to Hellenistic astrology, with Sam Block and Chris Brennan.

Hermeticism is a religious, philosophical, and mystical movement that arose in Hellenistic Egypt around the first century, and is attributed to the teachings and practices of Hermes Trismegistus.

It represents a popular synthesis of a number of philosophical and religious trends that were popular during the Hellenistic period, including Stoicism, Platonism, native Egyptian religion, and astrology.

The majority of what is known about this philosophical or religious school survives in the Corpus Hermeticum and a handful of other writings from that time period.

During the course of the episode we talk about what is known about the Hermetic philosophical tradition, and how it relates to the technical tradition of astrology that arose during the same time period.

Sam is the author of a series on Hermeticism on his website, which I would recommend checking out for more information on this topic:

https://digitalambler.com/about/herme…

Transcription of the Episode

“Check out the podcast website for the audio version of this episode and transcription”

The webpage about the episode, w/ timestamps:
https://theastrologypodcast.com/2022/02/16/hermeticism-and-ancient-astrology/

The actual transcript of the episode:
Ep. 339 Transcript: Hermeticism and Ancient Astrology
https://theastrologypodcast.com/transcripts/ep-339-transcript-hermeticism-and-ancient-astrology/

My page containing copy of the transcript, with my formatting and my commentary showing where the scholars are getting confused and TANGLING TWO HAZY MYTH MODELS THAT CONTRADICT EACH OTHER:
Poimandres Hermetic Text Is the Source of Scholars Thinking the Ogdoad Is Above Fate (Sam Block Transcript)

  • In Poimandres, fate = sphere 1-7; planets; then rise to the Ogoad which is here discussed AS IF Ogdoad is distinct from Fate.
  • In all other ancient writings, fate = Planets + fixed stars = spheres 1-7 & sphere 8; to get outside Fate, (the spirit, not the soul) must reach sphere 9, the Ennead (= integrated possibilism/eternalism thinking, which transcends naive possibilism-thinking & also transcends eternalism-thinking in the following senses:
  • Experience is always shaped as possibilism.
  • After a brief glimpse of eternalism & the actual source of control thoughts while in the peak window of the intense mystic altered state, the mind returns to the baseline state of possibilism experiencing.
  • The mind integrates possibilism/eternalism thinking.

Darth Wouter

Darth Voter – pronounced
Darth Vader

/ end of copied to new page

Msgs Laughing at Houot the Mystic Enthusiast

Be a mature rational Science like me, not mentally ill irrational immature who’s unfit to do Rational Science Exploration like me 😑. 

I was talking with inter-dimensional alien contact big discovery the other day while physically sailing the material world in my mind 😵‍💫🛸

Houot: “Science”-Branded Woo; Woo Sold as “Science”: Just Another Magical Thinking Construction – obv his secret breakthorugh is gonna be alien contact in his deliriant mind

If this is “Science”, this fantasy physical travel woo – SCIENCE-BRANDED WOO – count me out– too wooly-headed for me.  Quantum Mysticism woo Physics technology from alien elves 👽🧝‍♂️

👽🧝‍♂️😵‍💫

Reacted 🚀 to “Yeah man, I would be down for a round house. ”

“when u remove religion, it sneaks back in thru the back door, malformed” 

im assembling a Rational Psychonauts crew of Science Discoverer Explorers

👽🤖🧝‍♂️🤡😵‍💫⛵️🏴‍☠️

hop on board

Crop by Michael Hoffman

3 Brands of Religion:
Quantum Mysticism (manyworlds branching)
4D Spacetime Mysticism (straight narrow)
Outside 4D Spacetime Mysticism

Eadwine the Foolish Youth Enthusiast:

foolish Eadwine: mushrooms give you manyworlds steering power,

INCREASE YOUR MONOLITHIC, AUTONOMOUS CONTROL POWER OF STEERING AMONG BRANCHING POSSIBILITIES

RED GUY = BEGINNER AT ETERNALISM, brute assertion

Floating Sage = advanced at eternalism and advanced at possibilism integration; integrated possibilism/eternalism thinking

Planets = Body, Stars = Soul, Outside = Spirit

Hypercosmic Ninth = Spirit

Planets = Body = possibilism
Stars = Soul = eternalism
Outside = Spirit = possibilism/eternalism

4D spacetime block
fsb

outside the 4D spacetime block spirituality

integrated possibilism/eternalism thinking

SPIRITUAL CELEBRATION article branching message trees 3 models + gallery, with mentions of the grandest messages discoveries – only the top discovery in each image.

Only mention Panofsky-Huggins’ call to explain branching IF doing so maximizes spiritual celebration. definiitely in Biblio, NOT WORTH THE WORDCOUNT IN BODY:

I am ALREADY wasting precious wordcount in Biblio section citing art clown fools Panofsky & Huggins.

Article must be Grand, Special, exceptional — BOLDLY AND CONSISTENTLY.

subtele things like Day 4 left two mushrooms are considered branching b/c grid caps containing grid of mushroom-trees w/ L & R arms fruit of knowledge of possibilism and eternalism and possibilism whcih is another an name for tree of life immortality athantos realm of the immmortals elect spirit outside the fate stars cosmic 4D spacetime block, 4m fm

4D Spacetime Mysticism | Quantum Mysticism
eternalism | possibilism
branching | non-branching
good | bad

tree of knowledge of good & bad spiritually must mean good cybernetics vs. bad cybernetics

Tree of knowledge of good cybernetics vs. bad cybernetics

Tree of knowledge of good cybernetics vs. bad cybernetics

personal control system

egoic personal control system …… name calling, characterize instead of “ego” label” — possibilism-premised/ possibilism-“based”, …. the mental model after maturation is a possibilism … qualified possibilism-thinking

qualified possibilism-thinking type personal control system
egoic personal control system
possibilism personal control system <– key words
branching, steer
{king steering in a tree} <– ought to say branch
{king steer branch}

Dionysus kills dishonoring Captain & sailors – lion + bear

Dionysus saves honoring Pilot

dishonor Dio, die
honor Dio, live

all driven by Dionysus actual king controller to be allied into by Dionysus, slave of Dionysus puppet imprisoned cosmic rock prison guards PLANETary ARCHONs, star = demiurge commander of the planet guards; outer = Aeons outside of fixed stars,

pleroma – ninth – sphere 9 – outside of the 4D spacetime block rock cosmic sphere of the fixed stars;

{outside fixed stars} =

{OUTSIDE FIXED STARS} = transcendent, integrated possibilism/eternalism thinking.

transcend possibilism-thinking and transcend eternalism-thinking

The completed initiate
transcend the possibilism mental model and
transcend the eternalism mental model.

incorp the concept of transcend 4D spacetime block. cosmic rock, implies, my 1991 drawing of snake head otuside

snake head outside 4D spacetime block = outside fixed stars – snake body in cosmos, head outside cosmos.

100% heimarmene –> sharp distinct spirit level {outside block-universe eternalism}.

the concept of sphere of the fixed stars = the concept of {outside fixed stars}

package deal: both are together:

  • the concept of sphere of the fixed stars
  • the concept of {outside fixed stars}
  • {fixed stars}
  • {outside fixed stars}
  • {4D spacetime block}
  • {outside 4D spacetime block}

Ken Wilber “embrace, include, dis-identify or, clearly differentiate and identify egoic personal control system, {king steering in a BRANCHING! tree}, possibilism-premised monolithic, autonomous control

Aware of illusory experience foundation shaped as {king steering in a tree} of branching possibilities

{sphere of fixed stars}
Implies
{outside sphere of fixed stars}
and
{inside sphere of fixed stars} [planets]

internal levels within sphere of the fixed stars: 0-7.

0 -Earth – sublunar – earth water air fire
1- Moon 1
2 – Mercury
3 – Venus
4 – Sun
5 – Mars
6 -Jupiter
7 – Saturn

4D spacetime eternalism imply
fse

integrate and transcend both – Ken Wilber embrace and includeTM: & disidentfy.
the Possibilism mental model of time, self, and control
and
the eternalism mental model of time, self, and control

100% Fate eternalism block implies outside of 4D spacetime as surely as my 1991 ink drawing: worldline in 4D spacetime block head protrude, natural idea – outside the boundary. LIMIT IMPLIES TRANSCEND; a limit is just another word for {gate}.

Exercise: Transform Tim Freke’s Revised Spirituality Model Evolutionary Spirituality into Serving the Egodeath TheoryTM of Integrated Possibilism/eternalism

integrated possibilism/eternalism thinking

Hot Topic: How Branching and Non-Branching Depicts the Two Models of Possibility and Control

todo: publish the Important Existing Draft Pages

How Branching and Non-Branching Depicts the Two Models of Possibility and Control

To see your freewill thinking, is to cut branch. I see my freewill thinking — = I sacrifice child.

Hot Topic: Mission: Equip Cog Scientists for Psilo Realm Research

Hot Topic: Can We Have Stable Control on Psychedelics?

Ananke, the Goddess of Eternalism

Web search: Ananke
https://www.google.com/search?q=ananke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananke

Picture emphasizes the sphere 8 (fixed stars) and a little 9th exactly matches Egodeath theory: 90% eternalism, 10% hyper-eternalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananke#/media/File:Ananke_by_Platone.jpg
not bother depict sphere 1-7. or fabricate sphere 10+.

Soul Is Lower than Spirit (Comment on Psychedelics Today Stream at YouTube, Apr. 4, 2023)

In traditional astral ascent mysticism since Late Antiquity around 150 AD, the soul (psyche) rises to cosmic sphere 8 (the sphere of the fixed stars), and the spirit (pneuma) reaches sphere 9, beyond & outside the sphere of stars. 

In the Psilocybin state (loose cognitive association), the soul (psyche) experiences Fate/ Necessity/ no-free-will/ puppethood/ eternalism.  

After you are reshaped to accommodate this, the spirit/ pneuma reaches beyond Fate to transcendent freewill. 

Why did ancients split lower soul-psyche vs higher spirit-pneuma? 

Evidently to differentiate affirming heimarmene/ Fate/ eternalism/ no-free-will/ puppethood, vs. transcending that in some way, in some sense.

I say the word ‘God’ in my psy church group – have to be bold and confident to do that, but people are following my meaning well, that way. 

Not sure if people after late antiquity differentiate between lower “soul” vs. higher “spirit”.

It could be a useful distinction, with room to grow upward. 

Yugler joined our book club final session for the book:

Psychedelics and the Soul: A Mythic Guide to Psychedelic Healing, Depth Psychology, and Cultural Repair
Simon Yugler, Oct. 2024

Free Will Came from Greco-Roman Philosophy (Stoicism), integrated into Christianity

That fits with a Stoicism & Paul book I was reading maybe 2001 & 2011. I got the book when it was new, less than 1 year, in April 2001, just before starting Egodeath Yahoo Group June 2001.

Paul and the Stoics
Troels Engberg-Pedersen, 2000
https://www.amazon.com/Paul-Stoics-Troels-Engberg-Pedersen/dp/066422234X/ —

Blurb:

“This book seeks to do for the study of Paul and Stoicism what E. P. Sanders did for Paul and Judaism.

“Instead of making a brick-by-brick analysis, Troels Engberg Pedersen provides the first comprehensive building-to-building comparison of how the two religious/philosophical systems functioned.

“The book moves through the major letters of Paul (e.g., Philippians, Galatians, and Romans), carefully documenting Paul’s indebtedness to Stoic thought.”

His follow-up book is on Paul and Self and Cosmology.

Web Search: Did Christianity invent free will? No, Greco-Roman Stoicism Did

https://www.google.com/search?q=Did+Christianity+invent+free+will%3F — first two entries look good:

“Pre-Christian Roots: The idea of human agency and the ability to choose, which is central to the concept of free will, can be found in ancient Greek and Roman philosophy, particularly in Stoicism, which emphasizes individual responsibility and the ability to act according to one’s own will.”

“Stoicism’s Influence: Michael Frede, a leading scholar on free will in antiquity, argues that the concept of free will, along with the language to express it, came to Christianity mainly from Stoicism.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_in_theology#:~:text=The%20consensus%20of%20scholars%20who,second%2Dcentury%20theologian%20Tertullian.%22 —

“Academic views
“The study of free will in the ancient world: the Bible does not explicitly address free will.

“The leading scholar on the subject of free will in antiquity, Michael Frede, observed that “freedom and free will cannot be found in either the Septuagint or the New Testament and must have come to the Christians mainly from Stoicism.”

“Frede could not find either the language of free will nor even any assumption of it in the New Testament or the Greek Old Testament.

“The early Church fathers most certainly developed their doctrine of free will from the pagans.” — Chris Brennan BTFO’d; me & Justin Sledge vindicated (as Brennan conceded: within paganism and within Christianity, there was a shift from Fate to transcending Fate, including eventually affirming freewill.)

“Another Oxford scholar, Dr. Alister McGrath, concurs entirely with Frede,

“The term ‘free will’ is not biblical, but derives from Stoicism.

“It was introduced into Western Christianity by the second-century theologian Tertullian.”

“Pauline expert, Troels Engberg-Pedersen, unequivocally insists that,

“Paul firmly believed in divine determination as an intrinsic part of his whole conception of God.””

Stoicism = The Denial of Freewill, and the Source of Creating the Concept of Free Will?? what??

How come “stoicism” means no-free-will and also means the source of inventing freewill? total contradiction.

The History of Hyper-Eternalism

  1. Classical Antiquity
    Fate is the case. psychedelic eternalism = terminate in heimarmene/ eternalism.
    Freewill concept is absent.
  2. Late Antiquity
    Sort of transcend fate. fate is the case, but our special brand of religion lifts your spirit portion above it.
    Fate is the case more than freewill is the case.
  3. Medieval Christendom
    Fate is not the case; freewill is the case.
    Freewill is the case more than fate is the case.
  4. Modernity
    Attitude reported by Chris Brennan: freewill is taken for granted.
    Blotter Rock, hardline Metal, Hard Psych: Tragic revelation report of experiencing no-free-will. (no follow-through w/ “transcend eternalism”)
    Fate concept is absent.
  5. Post-Modernity
    At EgodeathTheory.WordPress.com, on April 4, 2025, Cybermonk rediscovered the idea of hyper-eternalism, which was the beginning of our new era in the history of Determinism.
    Fate is the case more than freewill is the case.

Basic Eternalism Thinking

basic eternalism-thinking
be-t

qualified possibilism-thinking

naive possibilism-thinking

basic eternalism-thinking

hyper-eternalism

qualified possibilism-thinking = hyper-eternalism

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  1. stand on left foot – naive possibilism-thinking
  2. stand on right foot – basic eternalism-thinking — I like that phrase, make keyboard shortcut. be-t
  3. stand no foot [hang tree, float] – qualified possibilism-thinking aka hyper-eternalism.

When around Nov. NOV 2020 – JAN 2021, I first looked at the floating sage, I thought maybe “high on cannabis?” It was hard to figure out the intended reading.

The first key (as late as late 2024 I fully realized): HE IS GESTURING/ LOOKING AT guy HANGING in TREE;

Floating sage is linked to guy hanging in tree.

f134 (row 2 R + row 1 L) is a puzzle instructive:
given that {stand on left foot} = naive possibilism-thinking; or = possibilism-thinking in general; &
given that {stand on right foot} = basic eternalism-thinking , or eternalism-thinking in general
That’s the puzzle setup. Then: Explain / interpret stablity of the guy hanging in tree. intermediary tip/hint: the guy sitting in tree.

Beginner Q: row 2 R: stand on left foot & stand on right foot. Ans: naive possibilism-thinking , basic eternalism-thinking.

Advanced Q: row 2 r: flaoting sage, and hang in tree.

Intermediate Q to assist the above: guy sitting in tree.

  1. stand L foot, stand R foot. Beginning students are expected to answer this.
  2. sitting balancing on R hand/foot. Intermed. students are expected to answer this. also sitting is: row 2 middle: the sitting, self-threatening psalter viewer.
  3. hang in tree & floating sage. Advanced students are expected to answer this.

f134 has various degrees of puzzle difficultty instructional. distinct levels of diffcuulty are demo’d/ deve’d / exercised by Eadwine THE TEACHER OF RIGHTEOUS BALANCE.

narrow & exclusive basic concepts:

possibilism-thinking , naive possibilism-thinking

eternalism-thinking , basic eternalism-thinking

broad, nuanced, inclusive concepts:

qualified possibilism-thinking

hyper-eternalism

“eternalism-thinking” is ambig: hardline 1-sided, or, in the comprehensive sense that emph possibilism-thinking / virtual freewill? I hated this hierarchy:

eternalism meaning hardline 1-sdied
eternalism meaning mature inclusive balance including principled, integratred virtual freewill.
eternalism meaning both of those definitions together. TOO OVERLOADED! SOLUTION: “basic eternalism” meaning hardline simple basic 1-sided eternalism, not meaning the mature full-featured end result mental model.

Armillary Sphere

https://www.scienceofgadgets.com/post/how-armillary-sphere-works

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Images from Main Article 2007

Saturn, sphere 7, gate to sphere of the fixed stars, the lower personal control system is pleading in Psilocybin loose cognition state, {blade} vulnerability in that state; sacrifice child thinking in light of eternalism. {shadow dragon monster} pulls chariot of Saturnus. pay toll to pass through guarded gate: price: child thinking.

two doors are at 23 deg. angle = celestial cross = transcend sphere 8 fixed stars, lifted up by Christ to sphere 9 the Pleroma, empyrian, dwelling place of all the Elect.

Photo: Michael Hoffman

Added Confirmations to Davidson page

I moved the added stuff to bottom of
What is Hermeticism? (Paul Davidson) Can’t Place Fixed Stars
heading: Confirmed Davidson Contradicts

Hot Topic: Tim Freke Rejecting “Nonduality/ Unity/ Oneness”, “Eliminate the Ego”, and “Only Consciousness Exists”

That Late-in-Life Major Adjustment of Freke’s Theory of Spirituality Is Like the Egodeath theory moving from brute asserting of eternalism to focusing on transcending eternalism; “hyper-eternalism”

Crop by Michael Hoffman. f134 row 1 L
Crop by Michael Hoffman. f134 row 2 R

The 3 guys in f134 row 2 R by the Cubensis dispensary

Floating guy points to & looks at hanging guy.
map row 2 R to row 1 L.

Hot Topic: Confirm “Pleroma” = cosmic sphere 9 = precession of the equinoxes = transcend eternalism

precession of the equinoxes
pote

Idea for Image for top of this page

une image comme mon dessin à l’encre de 1991 d’un serpent avec la tête au-delà de l’univers du bloc disant « liberté »

Michael Hoffman, ~1991, ink brush in blank art book

got it: pilgrim that I just got today – perfect!

avec l’arbre YI
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammarion_engraving
Gravure sur bois d’un artiste inconnu. Sa première apparition documentée se trouve dans l’ouvrage L’Atmosphère: Météorologie Populaire, publié en 1888 par l’astronome français Camille Flammarion.

avec l’arbre YI

Features:

  • Her head is above sphere of the fixed stars.
  • Instead of just 1 sphere above sphere of the fixed stars, puffed up to as tall above sphere of the fixed stars as the 7 planet spheres below sphere of the fixed stars.

Lion Hypercosmic Fire Head, Heimarmene-Snake Body

Transcending Heimarmene in Mithraism (David Ulansey)

YI Tree

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammarion_engraving

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammarion_engraving —

Gravure sur bois d’un artiste inconnu.

Sa première apparition documentée se trouve dans l’ouvrage
L’Atmosphère: Météorologie Populaire,
publié en 1888 par l’astronome français Camille Flammarion.

Hot Topic: What Specifically Are People Most Afraid of in the Altered State?

What’s There to Be Afraid Of? Identifying the Shadow Dragon Monster

What are ppl afraid of, specifically?

Figure out what that page should contain.

Link to “Guides” article/pages. Explain why advise us to stand on right foot not stand on left foot.

My project is to explain specifically what the great fear is of; {shadow dragon monster}.  I’ll make sure i have a url to directly focus on that answer/topic.  experience of the threat of catastrophic loss of control.  solution: realize we’re always secretly dependent on higher level of control, or underlying hidden level.  greek myth = analogies for this.

Someone specifically asked in psychedelic church book club just now: “I need to know what there is to be afraid of in bad trips.” I do have a page started to focus speciially on that .

Transpersonal POV: the divine initiates you ingesting.  pulls you up.  No personal guilt/ initiative.  The god invites his followers to the god’s banquet as hosts to guests.

Houot As a Muddle-Headed Mystic that He Insults

Irony: Houot insults mysticism but pushes the equivalent: entities, angels/ supernatural / demons / spirits.

Houot imports his own low-grade caricature of “Science” vs. his low-grade caricature of “Mysticism”.

Self-contradictions; deconstruct Houot.  

Houot p. __ withholds a grand milestone.  i bet it’s alien entities.  See idea development p. 26.

I am speaking w/ same insulting, disrespectful tone as Houot:

We welcome our superstitious, irrational, immature, mentally ill, religious guest who imagines space alien entities encountered in his mind.

Houot uses an alien strange vocabulary that I don’t employ.

Houot is importing a pop, low-quality “science vs. religion” debate with a dubiously conceived pair of positions: “secular”, “sacred” – i NEVER use those terms, B.S.E.E. STEM approach.

Poor Quality Phenomenology from Houot’s Sources

Sometone asked about whether “Phen’y” is valuable, as Houot’s Rise of the Psychonaut claims.

Certain cognitive phenomenology are the most interesting dynamics, about levels of control.  That dynamic is not covered by Houot.  This article is basic toward that topic (providing foundation leading toward treating that topic).

Way better than Houot’s treatment of Phen’y is this GOOD, relevant article about Phenomenology basics/ fundamentals:
https://egodeaththeory.org/2025/03/29/cognitive-phenomenology-of-mind-manifestation/

Breaking Convention
https://www.amazon.com/dp/158394771X

TechGnosis by Erik Davis 1998 is not cited by Houot’s publications.

TechGnosis is about info tech & mysticism/ esotericism / Gnosticism.
https://www.amazon.com/TechGnosis-Myth-Magic-Mysticism-Information/dp/1583949305/

Hot Topics

todo: get list from top of idea development p 26

Hot Topic: Summarize 3 Models in branching-message mushroom trees article

  • summarize astral ascent mysticism – concrete, standard, ubiquitous model.
  • summarize Egodeath theory’s model of mental model transformation — direct explanatory framework.
  • summarize the art genre of mushroom-trees ; {mushrooms}, {branching}, {handedness}, and {stability} motifs – specialty subset within the Mytheme theory.
  • map between those – the Mytheme theory

branching-message mushroom trees article for the Journal of Psychedelic Studies​ – remove text, add recent pic from Cant Cath of Lot wife b/c the 4 pics i got all have YI trees.

Hot Topic: Tim Freke Disproves “Get Rid of Ego”, & “Nonduality”, in Latest Rev of “Evolutionary Spir’y”

Psychedelic church Book club error: someone said “get rid of ego”. a few minutes ago.

Tim Freke recent revisions is correct here, IT IS WRONG TO “GET RID OF EGO”; during peak state you use egoic personal control system, w/ modified understanding of its foundation.

Don’t “rely” on egoic autonomous control; use egoic personal control system, don’t “get rid of” the egoic personal control system.

Because you have done this thing – because you Abr have not withheld Isaac, your only, beloved son, Isaac is fertile into the future AND brought by God to Transcendent Knowledge.

Hot Topic: Hyper-Eternalism (More Like, Hyper Marketing Posturing)

Hyper Sales Pressure Talking Out of Both Sides of Mouth Like “sphere 8 BAD b/c FATE fixed stars, but Ogdoad GOOD b/c “beyond the fate-ruled cosmos” sphere 7 Saturn”.

The Chaos Cosmos Model

The chaos model from Hanegraaff-Davidson Chaos Cosmos Model aka Yaldabaoth Hanegraaff

Wouter “Star Destroyer” Hanegraaff

Cosmic Schizophrenia

  • Fixed stars are BAD b/c Fate, they are in sphere 8.
  • The Ogdoad is GOOD b/c it is beyond Fate.
  • Ogdoad is the sphere above sphere 7 Saturn, ie, sphere 8.
  • 💥 COSMIC CONTRADICTION – Cosmic Schizophrenia of Hanegraaff & Davidson

How to Build a Universe That Doesn’t Fall Apart Two Days Later
Philip K. Dick, 1978
https://philipdick.com/mirror/essays/How_to_Build_a_Universe.pdf

HYPER-ETERNALISM: Eternalism Is the Case and Transcending Eternalism Is What It’s All About (Spiritual Enlightenment; Maturation; Immortality)

The Egodeath Theory is Superior Because It Gives You Immortality

{athanatos} = mature form. {thanatos} = immature form, haven’t sacrificed child thinking; cannot stably endure the Psilocybin state of loose cognitive association binding.

To follow me, you gotta agree w/ my armchair Phil dept position that eternalism is the case and transcending eternalism is what it’s all about.

You HAVE TO agree with me that no-free-will is the case and that transcending no-free-will is what its all about.

Proof: the title is “The Eighth Reveals the Ninth”.

Superior Title per Litwa: “The Eighth Reveals the Ninth”

Mythemes in “Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth”
“The Eighth Reveals the Ninth” <– cooler, more specific, better.

Latter title is per David Litwa – this superior title that he uses in his book is a good sign that his book might be superior comprehension to prove that I am right about everything in the cosmos & beyond the cosmos.

Ordered today:

Hermetica I: The Corpus Hermeticum, Asclepius, and Nag Hammadi Hermetica Ordered as a Path of Initiation
M. David Litwa, Jan. 2, 2025

“The Hermetic corpus is a spiritual and intellectual treasure stemming from ancient Egyptian sages who could write and think in Greek.

“Since the Renaissance, this corpus has appeared in an order that does not fit the path of spiritual initiation suggested by the corpus itself.

“The present edition reorders the corpus—including the Latin Asclepius and the Nag Hammadi Hermetica—into four progressing parts: introductory tractates, general discourses, detailed discourses, and revelatory discourses.

“A short spiritual commentary follows each tractate.

“The book is written for all lovers of the Hermetica, but in particular for those who are willing, in some sense, to join the way of immortality.”

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DS2CZKC3 —

Cosmology in Antiquity (Wright, 1995)

https://www.routledge.com/Cosmology-in-Antiquity/Wright/p/book/9780415121835

Cosmology in Antiquity
Rosemary Wright, 1995
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0415121833 —
Part of: Sciences of Antiquity (9 books)
“Examines the cosmological theories of the `natural philosophers’ from Thales, Anaximander and Anaximenes to Plato, the Stoics and the NeoPlatonists. Also discusses and emphasizes the importance of Babylonian and Egyptian forerunners.”

  • Chapter 1 – INTRODUCTION
  • Chapter 2 – A SURVEY OF COSMOLOGICAL TEXTS
  • Chapter 3 – MODELS, MYTHS AND METAPHORS
  • Chapter 4 – MACROCOSM AND MICROCOSM
  • Chapter 5 – CHAOS AND COSMOGONY
  • Chapter 6 – ELEMENTS AND MATTER
  • Chapter 7 – AIR, AITHER AND ASTRA
  • Chapter 8 – TIME AND ETERNITY
  • Chapter 9 – THE MATHEMATICAL BASES OF GREEK COSMOLOGY
  • Chapter 10 – THE COSMOS AND GOD

Blurb at Rout site:

“The popularity of Stephen Hawking’s work has put cosmology back in the public eye.

“The question of how the universe began, and why it hangs together, still puzzles scientists.

“Their puzzlement began two and a half thousand years ago when Greek philosophers first ‘looked up at the sky and formed a theory of everything.’

“Though their solutions are little credited today, the questions remain fresh.

“The early Greek thinkers struggled to come to terms with and explain the totality of their surroundings; to identitify an original substance from which the universe was compounded; and to reconcile the presence of balance and proportion with the apparent disorder of the universe.

“Rosemary Wright examines the cosmological theories of the `natural philosophers’ from Thales, Anaximander and Anaximenes to Plato, the Stoics and the NeoPlatonists.

“The importance of Babylonian and Egyptian forerunners is emphasised.

“a comprehensive introduction to the cosmological thought of antiquity, the first such survey since Neugebauer’s work of 1962[?]. “

Check Wouter “Star Destroyer” Hanegraaff:
Who wrote that the highest level of Fate is sphere 7 Saturn rather than sphere 8 Ogdoad fixed stars as Wouter Hanegraaff falsely claims, confusing himself?

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