Egodeath Yahoo Group – Digest 101: 2007-12-11

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After followup work in 2007 for my main article and Plaincourault article, I took a hiatus from public work in this field during 2008, 2009, 2010, and most of 2011 – except for a few “keep-alive” posts in 2008.


Group: egodeath Message: 5113 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Technical voice-recording notes
Group: egodeath Message: 5114 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Technical voice-recording notes
Group: egodeath Message: 5115 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Possible Podcast discussion topics
Group: egodeath Message: 5116 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Motives for house-church participation
Group: egodeath Message: 5117 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 25/12/2008
Subject: Re: Bk: Chemical Muse: Drug Use & Roots of Western Civ (Hillman)
Group: egodeath Message: 5118 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 25/12/2008
Subject: Integrating phenomenological & historical perspectives on entheogens
Group: egodeath Message: 5119 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 25/12/2008
Subject: Re: Integrating phenomenological & historical perspectives on entheo
Group: egodeath Message: 5120 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 25/12/2008
Subject: Don’t delete this group, it is active, on hiatus
Group: egodeath Message: 5121 From: egodeath Date: 18/09/2011
Subject: Book:From Bodies of Gods (saints’ bodies as mushroom farms)
Group: egodeath Message: 5122 From: egodeath Date: 18/09/2011
Subject: My email address
Group: egodeath Message: 5123 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: Intellectual autobiography & origins of Egodeath theory
Group: egodeath Message: 5124 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: Key dates (transcendent holy days) for the Theory
Group: egodeath Message: 5125 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: Key periods/phases in my development of the Theory
Group: egodeath Message: 5126 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: My distinctive writing Hand with modern esoteric character
Group: egodeath Message: 5127 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: Archiving my materials for historical & biographical research
Group: egodeath Message: 5128 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: Re: Intellectual autobiography & origins of Egodeath theory
Group: egodeath Message: 5129 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: Re: Key dates (transcendent holy days) for the Theory
Group: egodeath Message: 5130 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
Group: egodeath Message: 5131 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: 20th anniversary of breakthrough was January 11, 2008
Group: egodeath Message: 5132 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: Heimarmene-snake brings entheogen, in Eden & Mithraism
Group: egodeath Message: 5133 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: Acronyms for Transcendent Knowledge development (TKD)
Group: egodeath Message: 5134 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: Re: Intellectual autobiography & origins of Egodeath theory
Group: egodeath Message: 5135 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
Subject: Re: Key dates (transcendent holy days) for the Theory
Group: egodeath Message: 5136 From: egodeath Date: 21/09/2011
Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
Group: egodeath Message: 5137 From: egodeath Date: 21/09/2011
Subject: Re: My distinctive writing Hand with modern esoteric character
Group: egodeath Message: 5138 From: egodeath Date: 21/09/2011
Subject: Re: My distinctive writing Hand with modern esoteric character
Group: egodeath Message: 5139 From: egodeath Date: 21/09/2011
Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
Group: egodeath Message: 5142 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Vertical causality (timeless, holistic) & horizontal causality (sequ
Group: egodeath Message: 5143 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Self-control seizure in Mithraism via Cyb/Heim/LCog/Metaph
Group: egodeath Message: 5144 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: 1988 first drafts of Egodeath article
Group: egodeath Message: 5145 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Re: Self-control seizure in Mithraism via Cyb/Heim/LCog/Metaph
Group: egodeath Message: 5146 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Re: Self-control seizure in Mithraism via Cyb/Heim/LCog/Metaph
Group: egodeath Message: 5147 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Metaphors: Toys for death of the youthful self-concept
Group: egodeath Message: 5148 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Religious myth: self-control seizure from Fate’s prior power
Group: egodeath Message: 5150 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: The Conservative/Progressive split in scholarship
Group: egodeath Message: 5149 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Entheogen books by Martin Ball
Group: egodeath Message: 5151 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Entheogen scholarship, books
Group: egodeath Message: 5152 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Books: Ahistoricity of Jesus, Paul, Bible, & sacred writings
Group: egodeath Message: 5153 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Titles of my theory and main article
Group: egodeath Message: 5154 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Books I read before forming the core Theory
Group: egodeath Message: 5155 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Cog Sci, Phil of Mind, Cog Psych, Phenomenology, Neurosci
Group: egodeath Message: 5156 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Gateway, intruder, stability, trust, and ejection from Heaven
Group: egodeath Message: 5157 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Re: Gateway, intruder, stability, trust, and ejection from Heaven
Group: egodeath Message: 5159 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Re: Gateway, intruder, stability, trust, and ejection from Heaven
Group: egodeath Message: 5160 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Re: Cog Sci, Phil of Mind, Cog Psych, Phenomenology, Neurosci
Group: egodeath Message: 5161 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
Group: egodeath Message: 5162 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
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Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
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Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
Group: egodeath Message: 5165 From: egodeath Date: 25/09/2011
Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman



Group: egodeath Message: 5113 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/12/2007
Subject: Re: Technical voice-recording notes
Attachments :
    This recording doesn’t have the signal-noise ratio I hoped for. I need to
    put a real sound-card in this computer. Probably all the still-substantial
    noise in this latest recording is from the on-board (thus bad) sound “card”
    — I doubt that the mic and mixer noise is at all audible against that din.

    It’s also lossy-compressed more than my usual: 96 Kbps rather than 128.
    Group: egodeath Message: 5114 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/12/2007
    Subject: Re: Technical voice-recording notes
    Attachments :
      I re-recorded my reading of the post “Emergent missional post-church
      practice, entheogen house-church movement”, and uploaded it.


      Signal/noise ratio:

      This time, I used a Mac with good sound chips onboard. This is top-quality
      sound for an unprocessed signal (no compressor, no noise gate). I’m going
      for an ultra-honest, unprocessed, immediate sound, done optimally. It’s a
      philosophy that has pros and cons. This recording has the very good
      signal-to-noise ratio I hoped for originally — no ragged, ratty digital
      junk noise in the background (like my first try today). I’d have to turn
      off the HVAC system to silence the background (room noise leakage) more.


      Production:

      My voice became hoarse and the room resonates badly. The editing is sub-par
      because I just learned the GarageBand recording application. Sometimes
      there’s complete silence — an automatic feature I didn’t intend.

      This audio file is not as loud as a standard pro recording should be,
      because it uses no compressor, limiter, or clipping. GarageBand normalized
      it to 0 dB.


      Vocalization:

      My first try at reading this today used over-pronunciation; it was stilted,
      choppy. I read it more smoothly and flowing-together, for the second
      recording, although my voice became worn out, more deep and raspy, and less
      clear-toned. It’s hard to relax and sound flowing while also working to
      control the vocalization and breathing. The recording is really good, aside
      from the above complaints, but it’s not my voice, which should be a little
      higher and clearer.
      Group: egodeath Message: 5115 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/12/2007
      Subject: Re: Possible Podcast discussion topics
      Attachments :
        I might read-aloud various decent past postings.

        I want to refine my spoken-word recording skills, including the vocalization
        (clean, natural, and flowing), recording (clean, clear, and
        immediate/present), and production aspects (loudness, & speed and ease).
        One way to gain the quantity of experience and practice to apply what I’ve
        learned, is to read-aloud past postings.

        For any future postings, I’ll consider also reading them aloud, hopefully as
        a thread and as 45 minutes long. Hopefully with some added clarification,
        added points and commentary, added-in.
        Group: egodeath Message: 5116 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 11/12/2007
        Subject: Motives for house-church participation
        The Church of Christ quasi-denomination is based on the principle of exactly modelling
        today’s church worship activity on the model that is specified in the New Testament. Does
        the worship practice in the Churches of Christ today actually match the model specified in
        the New Testament?

        Even more directly to the point, does the worship practice in the Churches of Christ today
        actually match the practices of early Christians, where those early Christian practices are
        basically aligned with the New Testament description of the practices of Jesus followers? I
        will abbreviate the latter question:


        Does today’s church practice match the practices and purposes of early Christians? For
        what purposes should enlightened people do Christian practices today and gather for
        house-church-shaped Christian assemblies today? Is it possible to do church in the exact
        same way and for the exact same purposes as early Christians?

        I define “early Christians” as circa 135 CE ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt
        ) to 313 CE (a 178-year period that is my favored period as point of reference for what
        Christianity or New Testament Christianity actually was about, what it meant). I select this
        period as the definitive measure of and reference point for authentic New Testament
        Christianiy because I hold that the New Testament books were written, or redacted into
        existence from Josephus etc., starting in 135, and that the nature of Christianity shifted
        from counter-empire house-church Christianity to organized institutional empire-
        supporting Christianity starting in 313.


        Did early Christians have pews? No.

        Did early Christians have a podium and microphone? No.

        Did early Christians have fresh grape juice to drink, on demand? No.

        Did early Christians dress up on Sunday and take their family to a building called “Church”?
        No.


        Why do people “go to church” today? Why did early Christians gather, and how often did
        they gather, while the New Testament canon was being formed? What are the motivations,
        and how are the motivations for “going to church” conceptualized today? What were the
        motivations for the early Christians to come together into assemblies?

        What are the background cultural conventions today, as the backdrop or general context
        against which people “go to church” and do what they do? What was the normal cultural
        context and practices of the early Jesus followers, against which they gathered together
        during their assemblies?

        Why do people gather “in church” today and bring their children, their families? Why did
        early Jesus followers come together into assemblies, and did they bring their children? Did
        they have a “family oriented assembly” mentality?

        Ultimately, “going to church” and doing “Christian worship” today must be compared not
        to early Christian practice, but to *non*-Christian broadly religious-related practice in
        antiquity.

        Why did ancients in general do whatever they did that is roughly equivalent to, although
        distinctly different from, modern-era “going to church” or other “Christian activity”? To
        have a religious drug party, with other social activities connected, like symposium
        “drinking parties” and “funeral clubs”?

        How is “going to church” and “Christian activity” distinct from other aspects of life today?
        How was “religious-related activity” distinct from other aspects of life in antiquity, for
        non-Christians and for Jesus followers (or Jesus assemblies)?


        A Woman’s Place: House Churches In Earliest Christianity
        by Carolyn Osiek
        http://www.amazon.com/dp/0800637771/
        Nov. 2005

        Families in the New Testament World by Carolyn Osiek

        Early Christian Families in Context by David L. Balch

        Women’s Religions in the Greco-Roman World by Ross Shepard Kraemer

        Households And Holiness: The Religious Culture Of Israelite Women (Facets) (Paperback)
        by Carol L. Meyers

        House Church and Mission: The Importance of Household Structures in Early Christianity
        by Roger Gehring

        The Family in Ancient Rome: New Perspectives by Beryl Rawson

        Patriarchy, Property and Death in the Roman Family by Richard P. Saller

        From Symposium to Eucharist: The Banquet in the Early Christian World by Dennis E. Smith
        Group: egodeath Message: 5117 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 25/12/2008
        Subject: Re: Bk: Chemical Muse: Drug Use & Roots of Western Civ (Hillman)
        Attachments :
          I wrote and posted this review today. The ASIN book links resolve when
          reading the review at Amazon.


          Review title: Maximal entheogen theory of religion in late antiquity
          Rating: 5 stars
          Tags: entheogens, late antiquity, psychedelics, psychedelic drugs, visionary
          plants, religion, altered state, mystic experiencing
          Reviewer: Michael Hoffman


          The Chemical Muse: Drug Use and the Roots of Western Civilization
          By David Hillman, Ph.D.
          http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0312352492/
          Aug. 2008, 243 pages.


          David Hillman’s book “The Chemical Muse: Drug Use and the Roots of Western
          Civilization” is a required book in the field of entheogen scholarship. It
          presents a maximal entheogen theory of religion in Late Antiquity; it is the
          first book to present such a strong, clear view. The use of psychoactives
          was utterly normal, commonplace, mainstream, and culturally integrated.

          Hillman forces a revision of the assumption-framework that is used by some
          other entheogen historians. John Allegro’s book [[ASIN:0340128755 The
          Sacred Mushroom & The Cross]] postulated that the early Christians were
          motivated to use coded story-figures such as the figure of Jesus in order to
          hide their deviant, unusual practice of use of visionary plants (mushrooms)
          from mainstream culture, which persecuted and disallowed such use. Hillman
          doesn’t address Allegro’s explanation, but that aspect of Allegro’s theory
          is soundly disproved by the culture that Hillman reveals, a culture
          thoroughly saturated with psychotropic drugs, and must be abandoned.

          The cover art shows Plato with red eyes, which today has culturally
          distorting connotations of “Plato smoked pot.” Hillman should’ve chosen
          instead something like the fresco showing Dionysus’ victory procession, with
          Dionysus on a chariot drawn by four tigers with mushrooms above their backs.
          The book would benefit from ancient pictorial evidence of psychoactive
          plants and their use, of which there is no shortage.

          The book ought to have subheadings. The author omits subheadings, thus
          obscuring what specific topics are covered in the book. This lack of
          topical entry points can also make the book seem more boring, when one gets
          caught in a topic of less interest and cannot see where the next topic of
          interest begins. I have extracted some potential subheadings below.

          Introduction chapter. Hillman’s thesis committee forced him to remove his
          chapter on ancient world’s recreational drug use, saying “the Romans just
          wouldn’t do such a thing” — a baseless anachronistic presupposition,
          projecting today’s outlook onto the past, thus censoring and obscuring the
          outlook that characterized the past.

          Chapter 1: The Ancient Crucible. This chapter emphasizes the misery and
          anguish of ancient life. I too felt miserable and filled with anguish after
          reading most of it, since I was expecting to read about entheogens instead.
          The reader starts wishing for some opium to ease the pain of reading this
          chapter. Skip this chapter and read it afterward. It is of peripheral
          relevance and gives the wrong impression that the book justifies entheogen
          use because opium lessens misery.

          Chapter 2: Ancient Medicines. Skip this chapter and read it afterward. It
          is of peripheral relevance and would give the wrong impression that the book
          prefers a medicinal paradigm. Chapters 1 and 2 are appropriate to provide
          background and peripheral information, but act as a hurdle in their
          placement in front of the expected chapters about entheogens.

          Chapter 3: Greeks, Romans, and Recreational Drugs. The classical world was
          well aware of the effects of cannabis, scopolamine plants, opium, mushrooms,
          ergot, wormwood (thujone), and hemlock.

          Chapter 4: Promethean Euphoria. Covers drugs in myth, including the myths
          of Prometheus, Demeter, ambrosia, Dionysus, Odysseus & the Cyclops giant
          Polyphemus, and Narcissus. Mixed wine is partly covered here.

          The scope of the book is Greek and Roman culture in Late Antiquity; there is
          little comment on the transition to Christendom. Hillman doesn’t address
          the question of “To what extent were visionary plants used throughout
          Christian history?” But he does conjecture that Jewish and earliest
          Christian practice included visionary plants. He uses the noncommittal term
          “Christian mythology”, and discusses political struggles in antiquity, but
          doesn’t address the origins of the Jesus figure or the motives for creating
          Christianity. The investigation of the history of the mystic altered state
          must extend far beyond this books’ focus on the sheer use of visionary
          plants, such as commentary connecting social structures with the specific
          phenomena that are encountered within the intense visionary state.

          Hillman doesn’t cover mythic metaphors, cognitive phenomenology (per Benny
          Shanon’s book [[ASIN:0199252939 The Antipodes of the Mind]]), and
          altered-state metaphor. Hillman’s treatments of myths remain as superficial
          as any uninspired scholar’s. He focuses on the sheer fact that the plants
          were used, rather than on cognitive phenomenology resulting from the
          plant-induced altered state. Like Carl Ruck’s work, Hillman doesn’t provide
          interpretations of mythic metaphors except in terms of the physical plants
          and the sheer fact of using them. He assumes simple literalistic readings
          of the mythemes, as opposed to reading them in terms of mental experiences
          from visionary plants.

          He doesn’t cover self-control instability in the altered state, or the
          common experiential phenomenon of ego death. He reads all mythic references
          to “death” as literal death, rather than metaphorical description of
          specific cognitive phenomena encountered in the mystic altered state. The
          mythemes of ‘death’, ‘mortal’, ‘divinization’, and ‘king’ are bandied about
          unreflectively in these pages, rather than considering them as aspects of
          plant-induced experiencing. What does ‘death’ mean to the person during the
          altered state which Hillman writes about? He ought to consider, for
          example, ‘death’ as the altered-state suspension of the self as controller
          and mental construct, and the overpowering of the personal self by the
          broader space-time world in which the self is embedded.

          As another example, the Introduction discusses Actaeon being killed for
          looking upon the goddess Artemis, but Hillman superficially treats this
          death as a simple literal death as punishment for (vaguely) “seeing too
          much”, rather than as the specific death of the pseudo-autonomous self
          during the mystic altered state. Hillman doesn’t tie-in the myths from late
          antiquity with today’s mystic-state reports of the cessation of the egoic
          conception of oneself, or perceiving a higher level of control that trumps
          and originates one’s own power.

          He reads the themes of ‘maiden’ and ‘youth’ flatly and literalistically,
          rather than matching them with the idea of the uninitiated mind prior to
          ingesting the sacred meal in a mystery-cult initiation. Hillman’s line of
          thought needs to develop further by applying cognitive phenomenology to the
          interpretation of mythemes — by explaining mythemes as metaphorical
          descriptions of the cognitive phenomena that are encountered in the
          plant-induced, altered cognitive state.

          Chapter 5: Drawing Down the Moon. This too-vaguely titled chapter actually
          covers sorcerer/druggists; ancient magicians were somewhat comparable to
          “drug dealers”. Zoroastrianism and the Magi. The practice of magic was
          tantamount to the use of drugs. Magic was a matter of control &
          manipulation, including manipulating the mind of a desired lover, through
          seeming manipulation of reality in the drug-induced altered state. Medea &
          Jason. Scholars intentionally mistranslate words to avoid writing “drugs”;
          Circe’s mastery is specifically of drugs, and yet scholars deliberately
          mistranslate words for her drugs instead as vague “charms”.

          Hillman affirms the ancient Greeks’ belief in Fate (heimarmene), but without
          detailed elaboration, without considering how the belief in Fatedness was
          connected with altered-state experiencing.

          Chapter 6: The Divine Gift of Mind-Bending Intoxication. Scholars
          standardized on mistranslation of words for opium as “poppy seeds”.

          Hillman writes that drugs were “a” means of entering into the divine realm,
          “just another means of invoking the Muses”, but he never says what the
          implied “other means” of entering into the divine realm were. That raises
          the question, which he should’ve addressed, of whether drugs were the only
          effective means of entering into the divine realm. If plant-drugs were the
          chemical muse, then was there some non-chemical muse as well, some non-drug
          technique of entering into the divine altered state? It is surprising that
          Hillman is silent about the existence of that debate among entheogen
          scholars.

          The Muses, divine poetic inspiration, and ancient literature. Psychoactive
          drugs were a primary, standard concern of ancient literature. Homer’s
          bardic works: the Illiad; the Odyssey, including the Lotus-Eaters. Virgil’s
          work: the Aeneid, including stories of Dido and Amata. Ovid’s works:
          Amores; Heroides; and Ars amatoria. The audience used psychoactives and
          understood the authors’ incorporation of themes involving psychoactives.

          Chapter 7: The Pharmacology of Western Philosophy. The pre-Socratic
          philosophers, drug-sorcerers, or sages. Diogenes. Epimenides:
          Root-cutters, mandrake, and Epimenides’ stimulant. Pythagoras: his
          initiations into mystery religions, and Magi. Empedocles and the birth of
          natural science. Mixed wine included opium, henbane, and psychoactive
          herbs, unguents, and spices. Plato’s Phaedrus: Divine madness, inspired
          mania, divine possession, and the Muses.

          Chapter 8: Democracy, Free Speech, and Drugs. This chapter opens with 8
          pages about the creation of democracy in ancient Athens, with no connection
          to entheogens. This puts a strain on the reader’s patience, waiting so long
          to get to the claimed subject matter of the book.

          The political and drug aspects of plays. Until recently, scholars
          deliberately mistranslated or suppressed Aristophanes’ ribald wording, but
          they continue to deliberately mistranslate drug references to suppress,
          distort, and censor those. Plato’s work The Laws. Aristophanes’ play
          Thesmophoriazusae. Aristophanes’ play Wealth. Euripides’ play Andromache:
          free speech, personal freedom, and civil liberties. Athens vs. Sparta:
          egalitarian democracy vs. authoritarian oppression. Euripides’ play Medea.


          This chapter touches on mystery cult initiation, Eleusis, Carl Ruck’s book
          [[ASIN:1556437528 The Road to Eleusis]], and the scholarly suppression of
          such academic investigation into ancient psychoactives use. Surprisingly,
          Hillman provides no deep coverage of entheogens in mystery-cult sacred
          meals, which most readers are expecting; he presents only 2 pages focusing
          on this topic. The book has a surprising lack of detailed coverage of
          entheogens in the sacred meals of all the mystery cults of late antiquity,
          such as emperor cult. Hillman merely touches on, but doesn’t provide
          sustained, in-depth coverage of “drinking” symposium parties; for example,
          he doesn’t expound upon Dennis Smith’s book [[ASIN:0800634896 From Symposium
          to Eucharist: The Banquet in the Early Christian World]] to explain
          “drinking clubs” in terms of visionary plants in mixed wine.

          Conclusion chapter: The Western Pursuit of Happiness. Personal freedom and
          democracy in Athens went along with psychoactives. The status quo claims to
          endorse freedom, democracy, personal autonomy, and civil liberties, but
          demonizes psychoactives, against the values of Athens which created our
          valuation of freedom and personal liberties. The drug knowledge that is
          embedded in antiquities would be a valuable resource, and is the kind of
          knowledge governments and businesses are looking for. Moralistic censorship
          rewrites history and creates a fictional image of the past to prop up the
          status-quo powers. Factual historical knowledge about the integration of
          psychoactive drugs into the culture of antiquity would provide conceptual
          tools that would help society remain free from tyrants and aristocrats.

          Notes section. The book uses endnotes rather than footnotes. These are
          proper, correctly used endnotes (or footnotes): they are strictly citations
          of where to find source material, rather than passages which ought to be in
          the body of the book instead. Much more of the book needs such pointers to
          the source texts, to help interested scholars quickly develop the material
          further than Hillman takes it.

          Bibliography. The only entheogen-scholarship book mentioned is The Road to
          Eleusis. Hillman’s book seems to be research done in isolation from the
          most closely related existing books. There is a surprising absence of Carl
          Ruck’s other books, Dan Merkur’s books such as [[ASIN:0892817720 The Mystery
          of Manna: The Psychedelic Sacrament of the Bible]], Clark Heinrich’s
          historical survey [[ASIN:0892819979 Magic Mushrooms in Religion and
          Alchemy]], Entheos journal, and the dispute between Wasson and Allegro about
          the Plaincourault fresco ([[ASIN:1439215170 The Holy Mushroom: Evidence of
          Mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity]]).

          The game is up, for the status quo academic Establishment. Their effort to
          censor out psychoactive drugs from the mainstream of late antiquity is
          thwarted by this book. Scholars who care about their future reputation must
          cease their alliance with the distorting forces of suppression of the
          psychoactives aspect. Those who care about aligning with the facts of the
          matter and are looking for longevity, need to divorce themselves from the
          status-quo denial of the evidential facts, and work toward building a
          drastically revised model of antiquity.

          People make the false statement that there is little or no evidence of drug
          use in antiquity. Hillman goes beyond merely asserting that scholars would
          easily locate ample evidence if they began looking for it. He demonstrates
          that scholars have already run into ample evidence, but are censoring,
          deliberately ignoring, and deliberately mistranslating the evidence, in a
          cover-up.

          The effort of proving that the ancient evidence describes the visionary
          plants themselves, too much follows the lead of the status-quo academics. A
          continued heavy critique of the academic status quo is needed, but without
          letting the status quo define the boundaries of the investigation.

          This book aims to adequately prove the case that psychoactive drug use was
          entirely normal and mainstream and ubiquitous in late antiquity. This book
          doesn’t aim to be comprehensive in fleshing-out all use of psychoactives in
          late antiquity. The field of entheogen scholarship needs expanded follow-up
          volumes that put less emphasis on convincing the skeptical academic
          Establishment, and more emphasis on comprehensively laying out more
          connections between late antiquity, the culturally integrated use of
          visionary plants, and the deeper interpretation of mythemes.

          This book opens up a call for serious scholarship that engages the extent of
          drug use in antiquity. Serious, substantial scholarship will need to go
          beyond Hillman, beyond the sheer assertion and proof that visionary plants
          were used, into explanation of mythemes that describe the experiential
          content of the resulting mystic altered state. Hillman’s political focus on
          personal freedoms needs to be expanded into the realm of altered-state
          mythemes such as the death of the king, and gods as rulers — connecting
          personal altered-state experiencing with social structures and governance,
          as was done in the thoroughly drug-saturated culture of late antiquity.
          Group: egodeath Message: 5118 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 25/12/2008
          Subject: Integrating phenomenological & historical perspectives on entheogens
          Attachments :
            In my book review of David Hillman’s The Chemical Muse, for altered-state
            experiential phenomenology, I cited Benny Shanon’s book Antipodes. I could
            also mention “The Unfolding Self: Varieties of Transformative Experience” by
            Ralph Metzner ( <http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1579830005/>
            http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1579830005/ ). I categorize Metzner as a 20th
            Century-only writer, not attuned to entheogen history, but he writes on Page
            81 in his article “Molecular Mysticism”, in the book “Gateway to Inner
            Space: Sacred Plants Mysticism and Psychotherapy”, Christian Ratsch (Ed.) (
            <http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1853270377>
            http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1853270377 ): “In my earlier writings, I
            emphasized the newness of psychedelic drugs, the unimaginable potentials to
            be realized by their constructive application; and I thought of them as
            first products of a new technology oriented towards the human spirit. …
            my views [about their novelty] have changed under the influence of the
            discoveries and writings of cultural anthropologists and ethnobotanists, who
            have pointed to the role of mind-altering and visionary botanicals in
            cultures across the world.”

            Thus the writers about psychedelics in the 1960s made a fatal strategic
            misstep in treating psychedelics as new, modern, and unprecedented. Didn’t
            the 1960s know that “our own” religion was based on entheogens? No. Who
            wrote the first book focusing on psychoactives in Western religion, in the
            period of Late Antiquity? John Allegro did, not Wasson, who did his best to
            suppress such a consideration about that era. As the first scholar to try
            historical speculation about entheogens as the basis of a religion in Late
            Antiquity, some of Allegro’s bold postulates will remain standing, even
            while his premise of an anti-drug Roman culture rested on the incorrect
            status-quo assumption-framework and bolstered the existing, incorrect model
            of drug attitudes in Late Antiquity.

            Also, James Kent’s book draft Psychedelic Information Theory (
            http://www.tripzine.com/pit/ ) is surprisingly phenomenological for a
            self-described hard-science approach. My first phase of research used the
            cognitive phenomenology approach, but lately I’m focused on entheogen
            history, explained by entheogen phenomena, rather than on entheogen
            phenomena in isolation. So recently I’ve been on the lookout for
            specifically entheogen *history* scholars, and tend to think of
            contemporary-only entheogen researchers as uninformed, as continuing to make
            the same mistake Metzner made in the 1960s. But really now, I’m calling for
            an integration of present-focused entheogen theory together with
            historically focused entheogen scholarship: both are needed, to inform and
            complete the other. We need to combine the present-day phenomenological
            perspective of James Kent, Benny Shanon, and Martin Ball with the historical
            perspective of David Hillman, Clark Heinrich, and Carl Ruck.
            Group: egodeath Message: 5119 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 25/12/2008
            Subject: Re: Integrating phenomenological & historical perspectives on entheo
            Attachments :
              >>As the first scholar to try historical speculation about entheogens as the
              basis of a religion in Late Antiquity, some of Allegro’s bold postulates
              will remain standing, even while his premise of an anti-drug Roman culture
              rested on the incorrect status-quo assumption-framework and bolstered the
              existing, incorrect model of drug attitudes in Late Antiquity.

              That incorrect model is finally overthrown, I feel, with David Hillman’s
              book The Chemical Muse. That is why I took a hiatus from my several-year
              hiatus to read and review his book.
              Group: egodeath Message: 5120 From: Michael Hoffman Date: 25/12/2008
              Subject: Don’t delete this group, it is active, on hiatus
              Attachments :
                Yahoo,

                Don’t delete this group. I am on hiatus and will be posting to this popular
                scholarly group in a year or two. This is an important archival weblog and
                it will continue with new content before too long.

                — Michael Hoffman, group owner. Since 2001.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5121 From: egodeath Date: 18/09/2011
                Subject: Book:From Bodies of Gods (saints’ bodies as mushroom farms)
                I attended an Esoteric Book Conference recently. After I told him of my writing against Wasson for limiting Amanita to the writing of Genesis but no later, a man involved in Inner Traditions publisher (a leading entheogen publisher) briefly showed me a book announcement that’s in preparation and will appear in their next catalog and their online site.

                The book is about how bodies of Christian saints in the Middle Ages were used as psychoactive mushroom farms. I don’t know if such an idea should be read literally, but books about visionary plants in Western religious history are valuable and in some sense, needed. We should not, however, make proof and evidence our central concern. We should make good ideas our central concern, such as theoretical elegance, theory coherence, and explanatory power.

                I approach the hypothesis of a cannibalism aspect of entheogen-based religion the same way as the hypothesis of sex or astrology: it is possible to incorporate and connect any themes, given that, per Benny Shanon, entheogens induce a metaphorical mentality, but we should keep the emphasis on visionary plants, the experiential phenomology that visionary plants induce (emphasized by Shanon, overlooked by Ruck), and on metaphors as such. Grof, for example, overuses literal birth-trauma; he should instead approach that theme primarily as a metaphor for entheogenic experiential phenomenology.

                — Michael Hoffman

                From the Bodies of the Gods: Psychoactive Plants and the Cults of the Dead
                By Earl Lee
                http://store.innertraditions.com/isbn/978-1-59477-458-4
                May 15, 2012
                256 pages
                6 b&w illustrations
                Imprint: Park Street Press

                Publisher’s description:

                The origins of modern religion in human sacrifice, ritual cannibalism, visionary intoxication, and the Cult of the Dead

                Explores ancient practices of producing sacred hallucinogenic foods and oils from the bodies of the dead for ritual consumption and religious anointing

                Explains how these practices are deeply embedded in the symbolism, theology, and sacraments of modern religion, specifically Christianity and the Eucharist

                Documents the rites of Cults of the Dead from the prehistoric Minoans on Crete to the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and Hebrews to early and medieval Christian sects such as the Cathars

                Long before the beginnings of civilization, humans have been sacrificed and their flesh used to produce sacred foods and oils for use in religious rites. Originating with the sacred harvest of hallucinogenic mushrooms from the corpses of shamans and other holy men, these acts of ritual cannibalism and visionary intoxication are part of the history of all cultures, including Judeo-Christian ones, and provided a way to commune with the dead. These practices continued openly into the Dark Ages, when they were suppressed and adapted into the worship of saintly bones–or continued in secret by a few “heretical” sects, such as the Cathars and the Knights Templar. While little known today, these rites remain deeply embedded in the symbolism, theology, and sacraments of modern religion and bring a much more literal meaning to the church’s “Holy Communion” or symbolic consumption of the body and blood of Christ.

                Documenting the sacrificial, cannibalistic, and psychoactive sacramental practices associated with the Cult of the Dead from the prehistoric Minoans on Crete to the ancient Egyptians and Hebrews and onward to early and medieval Christian sects, Earl Lee shows how these religious rites influenced the development of Western religion. In particular, he reveals how Christianity originated with Jesus’s effort to restore the sacred rites of Moses, including the Marzeah, or Feast for the Dead. Examining the connections between these rites and the mysterious funeral of Father Sauniere in Rennes-le-Château, the author explains why the prehistoric Cult of the Dead has held such power over Western civilization, so much so that its echoes are still heard today in our literature, film, and arts.

                About the Author
                Earl Lee is a professor at Pittsburg State University and the author of several books, including Raptured, Drakulya, and Libraries in the Age of Mediocrity. He lives in Pittsburg, Kansas.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5122 From: egodeath Date: 18/09/2011
                Subject: My email address
                I haven’t checked or downloaded mail sent to ‘mike’ at the egodeath domain since the end of 2007, due to extremely heavy spam and being on hiatus.

                If you emailed me at that address from 2008 to present, you would need to re-send to a current email address, which I will provide later.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5123 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: Intellectual autobiography & origins of Egodeath theory
                I refer to my theory as the following:
                The Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence (CTET)
                The Egodeath theory
                Transcendent Knowledge (TK)
                _________________________

                In an interview by Max Freakout,
                http://media.libsyn.com/media/dopecast/Psychonautica013.mp3
                I described the original impetus of my theorizing as the pursuit of ‘posi-control’, but that needs expansion.

                During 2008 to Sep. 16, 2011, I succeeded at recovering my original situational context and thinking, my original expectations.


                My 1986 motive for striving for what would become the CTET or TK: I expected to gain cross-time self-control integrity — the fullest potential deliberate, manual, conscious, non-reactive, responsible control of my mind, thinking, mental construct sequence or system. I would not be subject to reactive steering by egoic control system’s tools of stress, desire, fear, linking, disliking, enjoyment, reluctance, regret, and anticipation. I would leverage the following:

                o The no-self realization.
                o Recognizing and perceiving feelings as merely mental constructs.
                o The illusory aspect of cross-time continuant agent.
                o Semantics class.
                o Loose cog for metaprogramming (per Ken Keyes’ book How to Enjoy Your Life in Spite of It All, and other spiritual self-help enlightenment writings including writings like Ken Wilber’s first books, The Way of Zen, and John Lilly’s metaprogramming idea).
                o Recognition of all mental constructs as mine, as controllable local constructs.

                Non-(egoic control reaction, knee-jerk reactivity) would give transcendent cross-time self-control integrity and reliable plan-and-do ability, so I would no longer be vulnerable to self-control conflict and stress.

                That was what Blank Books 1-5, written during Jan 1986-April 1987, were filled with: idea development about that, written-out without abbreviations, using typical language in the spiritual self-help enlightenment books, as seen in my idea development notes written on my class notes of Fall 1986.

                Like my first time I was inspired to put pencil to paper in effort to capture rapid valuable thoughts about self-control and instinctively (“egoically”) reacting to +/- valued things, the blank book of Jan. 1986 was only intended as a temporary scratch pad or workspace (like Bernard Baars’ theory of the functional purpose of subjective consciousness) where I would get my thoughts clear and take control of my thinking, thus switching from “the egoic mind mode (EMM)” to “the transcendent mind mode (TMM)”.

                As implied in the spiritual self-help books and seminars of 1985, this taking responsibility for my mind and thinking and self-control would only take a weekend. When that failed, I reluctantly had to accept it might take a couple weeks of sacrificing focus on classwork. When that failed, as in a disaster scenario, it turned out a couple months.

                When that failed and I still valued and expected non-malfunctioning cross-time self-control, I was briefly suicidally frustrated, driven to despair. Fortunately and ironically, my grades were some of my highest, that semester. I got used to continuing a desperate yet rewardingly rapid progress of insights, sprinting toward some expected “final” breakthrough satori insight, which I finally got — with a surprising twist, of fundamental non-control — 1/11/88, a full 3 years after the first semester in which I expected to finish revising my thinking to grasp enlightened, rational, non-malfunctioning self-control.

                I had truly bad grades in Spring 1987, but by then, I had reached meteoric momentum and had transcended and tuned-out stress, and my father died, and my mind was in a steamroller Flow state, rushing to reformulate my objective and metaprogram my thinking using new powerful concepts after thousands of pages of idea development.

                Having gone through the initiatory fire of the egoic-control-killing Control Beyond Control experience, I knew that stressing myself out would not help; I pointedly demonstrated that I cannot bully or forcibly constrain myself across time (discussed later by Daniel Wegner regarding akrasia – dis-integrity of the will). In that demonstration likely around 4/87, I found a way to break egoic patterns of trying to constrain my future self-control power; leaving me in a limbo with no viable instinctive egoic self-control system, and forcing me to create a new basis for thinking about cross-time self control integrity, which I worked to create during 5/87-1/88.

                After the preset/static-time, non-control breakthrough of Jan. 11, 1988, the 1986-1987 initial-phase project became no longer my central driving focus or technique/effort. I switched to focusing on writing-up and publishing my insight, my changed idea about the nature and potential of ego transcendence and satori, while reading about the strange loop of control-agency in Douglas Hofstadter’s book Godel, Escher, Bach, and trying to figure out what I can base my self-control ability on, if not the illusions of egoic cross-time gluing efforts or that mode of self-constraint effort. I would have to rely on transcendent recursive assumption of control (TRA) instead, out of nowhere, baseless, like “just wash your bowl” in Way of Zen.

                I would have to simply trust my future self, my time-slice selves, to coordinate with each other across time to study.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5124 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: Key dates (transcendent holy days) for the Theory
                Some dates are approximate and subject to correction. The following are point-in-time dates; a characterization of each period is also needed to go along with this. Regarding the artificiality of some single dates: I have posted at the Egodeath discussion group weblog, which has dates on each of my posts, that a breakthrough idea actually is spread across time, as a bell-curve-like series of deepening groks followed up as the understanding plays out. I have an insight, then really have it, then mine it as it plays out.


                mm/dd/yy

                ~8/20/83 — Moved into Delta House; Ranch cottage on Country Club.

                4/12/85 — Given Alan Watts’ book The Way of Zen by father. Encounter group (father one of the leaders). Got another bad grade due to lack of cross-time self-control integrity. Some exposure to Ken Wilber from father. The unconscious start of Theory development.

                ~6/85 — Given a paper by band members at Center House.

                MAJOR DATE: (first initiation)
                10/27/85 — First mystic experience (loose cog; LCog1); the conscious start of Theory development; inspired to capture thoughts by writing; Idea Development (ID) – using pencil on a sheet of binder filler paper, as a solution to capturing insights about control and valuation, toward getting full rational non-malfunctioning self-control. The start of my writing, thinking, and idea development.

                ~1/10/86 — Start of semester and Blank Book 1; 1st floor Southwest Dorm; SW1; have great photo, “The Fool”/ extropian high & soon expectations.

                ~4/20/86 — Brief suicidal frustration at inability to self-control as expected by now; enthusiastic confidence flips to despair and rationality-humiliating brokenness.

                ~5/25/86 — Moved to 3rd floor single room in Southwest dorm for entire year, June 1986-May 1987, = SW3; have photos.

                MAJOR TURNING POINT: (realized a day or two ago these all happened roughly together):
                ~4/15/87 — Threw away Blank Book 1-5 to “finish Enlightenment”, then switched to idea development on filler sheets; created Mental Constructs / Processing idea (MC, MCP); use of acronym shorthand, experienced Control Beyond Control (CBC) as profound and pointed room-scrambling demonstration following the example of the band-related girl associated with Center House; started distinctive writing style and significantly distinctive thinking style; Spring break; father died from cancer; failed to turn attention enough from idea development to classwork.

                12/12/87 — First major breakthrough-feeling ideas about non-control while reading Way of Zen for what felt like 5 times. (I want to pinpoint and differentiate these ideas vs. 1/11/88; must organize my Hand and keyboard writings together by semester, not separate by format. I always felt my 1/11/88 breakthrough happened in two phases, the first phase — earthquake pre-tremor — being around 12/12/87.)

                MAJOR DATE: (main breakthrough)
                1/11/88 — Main breakthrough (=Phase 1), in computer lab, on a Mac: frozen-time Crystalline Ground of Being (CGoB) contradicts the egoic-style premise/version of self-control cybernetics; the main paradigm shift giving birth to TK as an explanatory framework, incorporating all the previous insights in a new, changed, elegant configuration.

                I decided to leave my science/technology/engineering/math (STEM) major in order to find a major that is relevant to TK theory development, but I concluded that my theory is so distinct, it wouldn’t fit in any major except a future version of Cognitive Science or Philosophy of Mind; no (1988) existing major or academic department will help my theory development, so it’s best and easiest, most viable, to stay put; after all, my major in parallel with idea development did permit or enable me to develop this breakthrough theory.

                7/16/88 — Book writing commencement party, videotaped (have it). (Somewhere in this era my notes start equating apple/scroll with mushroom, as my independent discovery/recognition, not through reading others’ theories).

                3/19/93 — Transcendent religious control seizure (during voice recording with “White-light electricity hum/buzz/beats feedback”, uploaded), repudiated/renounced egoic premise of autonomy/freewill; no viable option but to trust the hidden Source of my control-thoughts; Christian ascension.

                [peripheral: baptism date – get from file folders]

                1/1/97 — Published core theory summary at Principia Cybernetica website (that Phase 1, core theory summary asserts that religion and myth is about this theory, but I hadn’t done much research on history and mythic metaphor yet).

                MAJOR DATE: (key insight into mythic metaphor)
                11/12/01 — 2nd main breakthrough; the main breakthrough of Phase 2: ahistoricity of Jesus along with bigger theme of reading all religious myth (New Testament) as essentially and primarily mythic metaphor. The work from this point through 2007 was fleshing out and following up research to develop and confirm that insight, that change of my way of thinking. After reading Heinrich, and King’s critique of Allegro.

                [peripheral: ~12/2007 — bar mitzvah date: get from email records]

                My Egodeath Yahoo group postings show exact dates during which various insights developed during 2001-2007, and when I recognized entheogens and heimarmene in myth and esoteric metaphor.

                12/2007 — Completed publishing TK Phase 2 (history, ahistoricity, mythic metaphor); began hiatus to catch up in other areas of life in which I had extremely strained, overextended, and sacrificed.

                1/2008 — Returned to university campus, time-travelled to Jan. 1988 origin of TK theory proper.

                5/2008 — Studied more subjects, which caused time-travel to Jan. 1986 Spring semester origin of proto-TK theory in Southwest dorm — but struggled to try to remember the motivations and mentality of TK origins.

                4/3/2010 — iPad released. Began recovering classic 1980s writing Hand, distinctively used for 1986-1987 initial TK development.

                ~9/05 [check notes] — Fully grokked that the heimarmene-snake myth interpretation applies to the Eden tree.

                9/16/11 — Fully recovered/remembered the motivating idea/expectation/programme of 1986 before the breakthrough of 1/11/88 changed to an essentially different mentality/approach. Finished Blank Book 6 by summarizing that in the front, in my classic high-1980s writing Hand that’s now fully recovered.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5125 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: Key periods/phases in my development of the Theory
                My theory development work from 1998-2007 in the history of religion and mystic metaphor and ahistoricity of New Testament Christianity is important, but it is peripheral work that is founded on my core theory work, which primarily occurred during the 3 years 1986-1988.

                1999-Nov. 2001 — After the 1993 experience of vulnerability to my own near-future thoughts, I continued to study the New Testament to read Jesus* and Paul* as writing about how we have to trust in the hidden source of our control-thoughts. (*Still assumed to be single identifiable historical figures.)


                The 3 years 1986, 1987, and 1988 are the most charmed, pressure-cooker, stressful, maddening, aloof, magical of my life, years of initiation and breakthrough, of:

                1986: Frenzied Titanic amazingly rapid mortal growth of my intellectual power (“I *must* have a final breakthrough, *now*!).

                1987: Confrontation with wondrous and fearsome Lovecraftian science-emerging monsters (achieving and understanding our climactic potential for self-control seizure).

                1988: Productive laboring to write-up my findings while basing my new self-control power on non-control.

                1988-1993: Eventually succeeding at sacrificing my youthful rulership-self and trusting in the hidden controller of my stream of control-thoughts, to which there is no alternative, only futile self-battle and mad chaos.


                1986 — Strove to fix my mental self-control malfunction and gain cross-time self-control integrity, and control over my feelings like stress and enjoyment, with a moderately distinctive thinking technique and use of writing. In Extropian/transhuman style (per the culture of 1988-1994), I expected quick success because I used spiritual self-help enlightenment (books/teachings), loose cog, hardheaded STEM mentality (science/technology/engineering/math), giftedness & support/privilege.

                1987 — Used a now-sophisticated grasp of ideas and techniques to continue that project, including open-ended filler sheets, Mental Constructs/Mental Construct Processing idea, use of acronym shorthand, Control Beyond Control (across time) idea, fully distinctive writing style and thinking style.

                1988 — Breakthrough, drafted the Theory around the Crystalline Ground of Being (CGoB) idea/paradigm/model, about the impact of the CGoB idea on self-control cybernetics.


                Later I will characterize all the periods or phases of my life as a theorist. My electronic files — and recent hand writings — cover this extensively. I wish to distinguish and characterize each semester (Spring, Summer, Fall) during 1985-1989, by re-binding my notes into binders/pouches per semester, providing photographs and representative quotations per semester during the 3 original, pivotal years 1986, 1987, and 1988 (main pivots = ~4/15/87, 1/11/88).

                I also need to add dates for the original Cybtrans.com domain uploads and first creation of the Egodeath.com domain.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5126 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: My distinctive writing Hand with modern esoteric character
                I spent a year and a half (4/2010-9/2011) recovering my awkward, labored, distinctive 1980s Hand, which I wish to convert to a font. I want to upload scans of my handwriting especially from 1986, 1987, and 1988. The Theory is utterly non-metaphorical and explicit, distinguishing it from all brands of religion and esotericism, except perhaps some religious philosophy writing. The Theory does not rely on occult styling and coded hieroglyphics. However, my distinctive “cursive block” Hand does act as stylized sigils and symbols.

                Between 1991 and April 2010, I had, to my surprise, completely lost this Hand, which began in Drafting class Summer/June 1978, just after the 8th grade graduation where we were initiated through Space Oddity and an oil light show. I used the Hand from 6/1978 through 1990. The formula for the Hand is: upstrokes, all-caps, left-hand, most commonly Pentel P205 pencil on binder filler paper. I have now essentially recovered the use of this Hand, though it is hard to compete with how heavily I used it every day for class notes, assignments, and idea development through July 1989.

                Later I used thin black rollerball pen, which has too uniform line width, and later, mixed case, which has less character, and later, right hand, which has no character. My classic 80s hand has maximum character.

                I spent 4/2010-9/2011 recovering my Hand including writing in the hard-to-find tweed cloth bound blank book like Blank Books 1-5 of 1/86-4/87, one of which I have a photo. This is because my classic Hand is so distinctive, I effected time travel to 1986 by re-learning the Hand and doing idea development in a medium that was unique to my 1986 era, rather than 1987 binder filler paper or 1988 keyboarding. And I value and treasure those 3 years so much, my classic Hand is a legacy to keep alive.

                My recent life has increasingly returned to the classwork of 1986, and I have after investing 2008-2011, succeeded at constructing a time-travel bridge that had to punch back past the Jan. 11 1988 birthdate of my modern Egodeath theory, when TK as I know it fully emerged, and recover that alien, strange, forgotten, formative time before the great breakthrough, reaching back to my first initiation in Oct. 27 (best estimate), 1985.

                When in Jan. 2008 I resumed technical studies, it was easy to time-travel back to the beginning of my modern TK, in Jan. 1988. But around May 2010, studying more technical subjects, I felt a strange affinity going back to the beginning of my work on self-control, in Jan. 1986 — even though that was prior to the formation of my life as I now know it — my life where I’m identified as the creator and Jan. 1988 discoverer of the clear model of static pre-set block-universe ego-transcendence.

                Who was I during the prehistory, the early ramp-up to that breakthrough? What was I intent on getting, what did I expect that I never got closure on, during 1986 and 1987? During 1986 and 1987, I couldn’t let go of my runaway obsessive thinking, yet when I stopped rushing and zooming forward in Jan. 2008 to take a hiatus, and when I really started to feel a bridge back to 1986, I found that I could no longer remember what drives had propelled and possessed me during those two initial formative years as a theorist, writing in my blank books, my “diary of a madman” (per Bob Daisley’s occult acid-Metal enlightenment album).

                Recovering my classic Hand of 1986-1987, and doing idea development in a blank book instead of keyboarding, was a strategy toward building a time-travel tunnel into the period where TK all began, the beginning of Spring semester 1986, in Southwest dorm 1st floor, and then 3rd floor — a magic, colorful, crazy, vigorous time alone out in the leading-edge intellectual frontier.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5127 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: Archiving my materials for historical & biographical research
                I need my materials to be archived in a more useful, organized way, so that I can better understand the evolution of my ideas across key dates, and generally recover and convey what my life was like in the various important years.

                I would like to compose a webpage for each semester, showing photographs, scans of notebooks, and transcriptions of those scans, and a characterization of my thinking and writing in each semester. Privacy is an issue.

                I have many writings, by my distinctive Hand and as printouts, from the formative era 1986-1989, as well as to the present. I will post an archival inventory of the TK-related materials I created.

                I will re-group the papers into binders and/or protective folders by semester from Spring 1986 through Fall 1989, and by year after that. That grouping will be more efficient than the current binders arranged more by format, for the purpose of characterizing the original development of my thinking and my writing.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5128 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Intellectual autobiography & origins of Egodeath theory
                Correction:

                I would not be subject to reactive steering by the egoic control system’s tools of stress, desire, fear, liking, disliking, enjoyment, reluctance, regret, and anticipation.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5129 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Key dates (transcendent holy days) for the Theory
                Additional dates:

                ?/1988 — After two years spent mostly alone developing CTET, I reluctantly withdrew from pledging a fraternity, because I was finally starting to understand that time is a limited resource, and I wanted to write up and publish CTET right away, more than spending time on the non-intellectual consumption of beer and girls. My pledge name on my shirt was Purple Haze, and my fraternity friend insightfully wished to apply an entheogen in fraternity initiations. I spent time in that fraternity house all the way back to high school, including some Rock musician connections, parties, girls, friends, and roommates.

                3/30/06 — Finished writing my Wasson/Allegro/Plaincourault article for the Journal of Higher Criticism, criticizing Wasson for not asking extent of entheogens in Christian history. After Robert Price’s hamfisted misciting of SOMA, my article he invited was styled as hyper-Critical, take no prisoners, tour de force, critique Wasson (and Ruck/Hoffman on Wasson) from every angle, no stone left standing — a devastating, scorched-earth parody of hyper-scholarship like the book On the Shoulders of Giants. We cannot permit Wasson to remain standing; we must move past Wasson — and then past Allegro, and then past McKenna, to my Maximal Entheogen Theory.

                4/30/06 — Finished the final version of my TK paper (“The Entheogen Theory of Religion and Ego Death”) for Salvia Divinorum magazine — serving as a broad-as-possible theory-specification, rather than as an introductory article.


                10/28/07 — Mother died of cancer.

                My bar mitzvah was in order to run the memorial in the Jewish temple for my mother.


                Correction:
                “5/2008 — Studied more subjects, which caused time-travel to Jan. 1986 Spring
                semester origin of proto-TK theory in Southwest dorm — but struggled to try to
                remember the motivations and mentality of TK origins.”
                Should be:
                3/2010


                I need to write about some of the many adults who influenced and supported me.

                9/17/11 — Realized that my mother was somewhat of an occultist, per late 1960s/early 1970s popular culture. I grew up looking at the encyclopedia Man, Myth, & Magic, and wondering about what valuable hidden meaning could exist in life, that could reside in the popular Tarot deck. I also grew up in the Hebrew synagogue with her. She gave me occult and Jewish toys and a Persian jigsaw puzzle. She leaned toward being a Western-Esoteric Boomer, along with graphic art and early Renaissance music, and classical music.

                My father was Transpersonal Psychology, some Eastern religion, and New Age. He was more of a Psychology and Eastern-religion Boomer.

                I also frequented my grandparents’ rural 19th-Century American-originated Christian church (exclusively Bible-based in worship style, not Evangelical postmodern) — the Church of Christ, which used no images or musical instruments, and only sang, harmonizing.

                There’s a lot more I’d need to write about my super-rich background and copious resources that were provided to me, that I vigorously leveraged and combined to develop the Theory.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5130 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
                Ozzy has redeemed himself. Sharon Osbourne has stepped aside.

                Ozzy rereleased the bona fide original album with the lyric writer Bob Daisley on bass. This album, in vinyl, cassette copy with Blizzard of Ozz, and then also CD, accompanied me out on the Otherworld frontier during 1986-1988, when the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence was being born through me. Only gradually, as my theory developed, did I recognize and comprehend Bob Daisley’s meaning.

                It’s remarkable and a lesson we should learn from, that I was not able to learn from such metaphorical, veiled presentation of altered-state esotericism; I was only able to *confirm* and be indirectly influenced by the substantial esoteric content encoded in Rock albums. Amazingly, online discussion threads prove that outsiders don’t even realize that Purple Haze is about acid. This is how mystery religion culture worked in antiquity, too; the meanings are veiled to youth, and remain veiled until a series of initiations with visionary plants, and then are revealed by the individual’s mind.

                My theory is designed to work the opposite; a modern, non-metaphorical, explicit model, that skips the veiling phase and jumps straight to the revealing phase — an approach that is “fatal to youths” so one must consider protecting youths from premature egodeath.

                Blizzard of Ozz and this album came into my life when they were first released, I learned to play parts of them on electric guitar, and I continued to learn more about them into the 1990s, before publishing the summary of my core Theory at Principia Cybernetica Jan. 1997. Diary of a Madman, along with analysis of lyrics and art by early Rush (through the album Signals) and early Metallica (with the original bassist Cliff Burton), was my preparation for my 2001 breakthrough in recognizing all mythic metaphor as description of visionary plants and the experiential phenomenology they induce.

                I played 3 albums on vinyl in the early 1990s when formulating the theory that Rock is largely acid-influenced:
                o Ozzy Osbourne — Diary of a Madman
                o Rush — Caress of Steel (& 2112)
                o Metallica — Ride the Lightning

                My electronic archives, file folders, and possibly WELL postings have historical records of my work on this subject.

                What did I do during the long period between initially drafting my Theory article in Fall 1988, and publishing it Jan. 1997? Much of that time was spent with lyric and art analysis in acid-oriented, acid-influenced Rock. Thus the period between the early, ample Core work, and the later History/Metaphor work, included transitional or overlap work, which was contemporary late 20th Century use of metaphor in acid-influenced Rock, as preparation before later tackling metaphor in religious history.

                1985-1990: theory core; theory Phase 1
                1991-1996: rock lyrics and art (metaphor in Rock)
                1998-2007: theory periphery; theory Phase 2 (metaphor in Religion)
                Group: egodeath Message: 5131 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: 20th anniversary of breakthrough was January 11, 2008
                Just a few days after I went on hiatus at the end of 2007, it was a significant date: On January 11, 2008, it was the 20th anniversary of my main breakthrough — connecting frozen-time block-universe determinism with non-control ideas as in The Way of Zen. Together with my previous insights and useful concepts such as Mental Construct Processing, Cognitive Binding Intensity, and Control-Beyond-Control, I immediately knew I had a viable Theory that was an elegant novel conception of ego transcendence, compared to the state of the field in Jan. 1988. I hastened to write up and publish the Theory, but I continued to develop it through 1996, and even then, my summary merely mentioned or suggested that there are connections to Chrisitian and other mainstream religious constructs.

                I continued to wrestle with how to write up this still-expanding theory as I re-conceived all religious mythic metaphor. I finally settled on the original word count I stated in my draft notes in 1988 (it turns out), and strove to put a stake in the ground as widely as possible, sacrificing detail and flow, in order to first put out a theory-specification — a 27-page patent for a self-control seizure technique, more than an introductory article.

                Thus it took 20 years, from 1/11/88 to almost 1/11/08, to feel satisfied that I have published the ideas following from that mother lode breakthrough, enough to turn my attention to other matters and catch up there.

                I wish I had broken my hiatus enough to post the announcement of the 20th anniversary of the breakthrough, on 1/11/08. But I am thankful that I was able to finally stop the torrent of thought, of frenzied idea development, at the end of 2007. I doubted I would be able to get myself to stop. It was hard to justify halting Theory development in order to catch up on vastly less important things. I justified it by considering my life-trajectory, essentially an argument in terms of practical viable balance. I accomplished being the first to formulate and publish the Theory by being an extremist, sacrificing balance. That accomplished, I had to become a mere mortal again, and catch up on doing the laundry.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5132 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: Heimarmene-snake brings entheogen, in Eden & Mithraism
                I recently had a deepened insight about the heimarmene-snake myth: that it applies to Eden.

                Given time as a spacelike dimension, your experienced life is like a snake, a finite thread, a finite stream, a path of bounded length, or a tunnel with a fixed length. This is static, changeless, frozen time, if the future is seen as always existing, and ego’s hands are impotent and tied because there is no one to exert change. Per Crowley, all beings live according to the will-paths predestined to themselves before their births, from which any deviation would be impossible.

                Anything brought to a person at a given point in time, such as an entheogen (such as the chalice-shaped Amanita), is brought there by heimarmene (Necessity, Fate, destiny, predestination). Snake-shaped heimarmene — your worldline — brings you the entheogen. When you partake of the sacrament, you perceive that the sacrament was brought to you by heimarmene.

                The snake brings the cup of mixed wine in Mithraism.

                Heimarmene, destiny, brings Lucius to Isis.

                The serpent in the garden of Eden brings the apple and makes Eve eat it.

                Heimarmene is vertical holistic determinism; the timeless presetness of all self-control thoughts or movements of one’s will. It is not a matter of sequential, in-time, linear causality.


                Heimarmene brings the Amanita to Eve; the metal door carving shown in Entheos journal rightly has Adam point attributing blame to Eve who points attributing all blame to the heimarmene-snake. The door is not merely funny. Pointing the blame at God’s avatar King Jesus instead of oneself, or pointing the blame at the snake instead of oneself, is not just comical; it is profound mystic-state truth — or at least, conceptual coherence.

                Thus in the main, a rigid snake on the cross or pole is equivalent to the savior King Jesus on the cross or pole. Heimarmene trumps autonomous self-control power (“kingship”). Behind the scenes, at the fountainhead of your control-thoughts, God — the hidden uncontrollable controller outside of time — is in control; autonomous egoic power-wielding agents are not ultimately in control.

                Moral culpability “magically” shifts from oneself as a moral agent, to Heimarmene, which is controlled by something hidden that we are frighteningly, maddeningly, profoundly dependent on. God is that unknown “X” which gives me my control-thoughts, which I utterly depend on. I have no alternative to putting all my trust in X, in that which gives me my control-thoughts — the snake, Heimarmene, or a benvolent transcendent Godly controller of Heimarmene sitting outside of time.


                All my posts, unless otherwise attributed, are original research, Copyright (C) 2011 Michael Hoffman, Egodeath.com. All Rights Reserved.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5133 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: Acronyms for Transcendent Knowledge development (TKD)
                I won’t rely on using acronyms in postings. I will spell them out at first occurrence within a posting. I started using acronyms very heavily around April 1987, for what John Lilly would call ‘metaprogramming’. My usage of acronyms gives the appearance and intent like assembly language programming. This helped accelerate my thinking and idea development, when writing by hand and by keyboard. Suited for capturing and feeding-back ideas during the peak window of the mystic state. As I review my 1986 and later writings, I have to decipher my own messy shorthand writing. I sometimes wrote lists of acronyms to help that. As my thinking evolved, my acronym usage changed somewhat.


                CTET – The Cybernetic(s) Theory of Ego Transcendence (1988)

                TK – Transcendent Knowledge; = CTET

                TKD – Transcendent Knowledge Development

                EMM – Egoic Mind Mode (early); Egoic Mental Model (later)

                TMM – Transcendent “

                PADA – Plan-and-do ability

                CTSCI — Cross-time self-control integrity

                CTSCC — Cross-time self-control conflict

                t’t — transcendent (used Ken Wilber’s concept of how transcending something works)

                e’c — egoic

                CBC — Control Beyond Control; I can’t now force myself to get up at my planned time tomorrow, because that future time-slice self wields control that’s not forcibly constrained by me-now or the partly illusory cross-time “superego” self

                TCP/RIS — (Use) Transcendent (Mental) Construct Processing (to) Realize (my) Intention Set (1988)

                IS — Intention Set (life plans, how I want to operate my mind)

                OO: — operate on: (per Wilber; to operate on something, like some mental aspect, is to disidentify with, transcend, and control that thing)

                SCS — self-control seizure

                TRA — Transcendent Recursive Assumption; per a Watts/Hofstadter regression of “Who controls the personal controller?”, I can’t will myself to will something now, or later. To act, I just have to act, with no basis or foundation to make myself act, such as consistently doing classwork throughout the rest of the semester. It is futile to try to establish a basis of trust; I have to understand that I have to simply baselessly *assume* that I’m now, and later, going to later will and do the intended actions. Early 1988, following the CGoB/Cybernetic Nullity breakthrough. Similar to Maxwell Maltz’ book Psycho-Cybernetics.

                CGoB — Crystalline Ground of Being with time as a spacelike dimension, with a single, pre-set, ever-existing future, containing each person’s life in the shape of a snake. 1988.

                LCog, loosecog — Loose Cognition; loose association binding within and between mental construct relationship matrixes. Entheogens are the main way humans have accessed loosecog. 1987.

                MC — Mental Construct. All conscious subjective experiencing is presented to awareness in the form of mental constructs. Experiencing is mediated by MCs. 1987. This concept has implicit roots in my 1986 writings, before using acronyms.

                MCP — Mental Construct Processing.

                EMCP, ECP, TMCP, TCP — Egoic or Transcendent Mental Construct Processing (1987)

                DMCRM, CRM — Dynamic Mental Construct Relationship Matrix (1987)

                CRM — (Dynamic Mental) Construct Relationship Matrix
                Group: egodeath Message: 5134 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Intellectual autobiography & origins of Egodeath theory
                Correction:
                “sprinting toward some expected “final” breakthrough satori insight, which I finally got — with a surprising twist, of fundamental non-control — 1/11/88, a full 3 years after the first semester in which I expected to finish revising my thinking to grasp enlightened, rational, non-malfunctioning self-control.”

                Should read “a full 2 years”. Instead of 2 days, 2 weeks, or 2 months, it took 2 years (all of 1986 & 1987) to rationally model Enlightenment about self-control constraints, the ‘self’ model, cross-time self-control, and akrasia (vulnerability to self-control dis-integrity).
                Group: egodeath Message: 5135 From: egodeath Date: 19/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Key dates (transcendent holy days) for the Theory
                2nd most import date appears 11/14/01 not 11/12/01; see long post 14th Nov; bottom of post “simpler solution: its all fiction”

                It was over a few days i grokked, peaking on 14th. Historians and modellers of paradigm discoveries (Paul Thagaard) take note.

                10th anniv coming soon, of my 2nd most major insight! On Nov 14, 2011, it will have been 10 years since i posted that brkthru in this group.

                (phone)
                Group: egodeath Message: 5136 From: egodeath Date: 21/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
                Don’t need no astrology
                It’s inside of you and me
                You don’t need a ticket to fly with me
                I’m free

                “Against astrology; I’m free.” That’s our normal view at the start of the fool’s journey, the first song in the sequence. The first few trips have the naive freewill view. Astrology = heimarmene, destiny, fate, vertical causation (Plotinus’ Neoplatonism), vertical holistic timeless causality where there is no change and everything is preset.

                Until today when I saw ‘free’ I thought ‘money’ and gifting, low cost. But the past few days I’ve been working on the topic of Heimarmene and it’s more prominent in Astrology than in other Western Esotericism brands, so I recognized the rather explicit “I’m free” as a metaphysical statement, no longer as a Carl Ruck-like fixation on the mere physical form or packaging of entheogens to the exclusion of multistate (Charles Tart) cognitive phenomenology and visionary-state perennial philosophy. If, like Ruck, you are focused on evidence for the purpose of proving the sheer fact that myth is about specific entheogens, you are blind to altered state phenomenology and philosophy.


                To post:
                Other Daisley lyric recog recent
                Ego Tunnel bk
                The Phenomenological Mind txtbk
                Blogger’s post on vertical causality/ation vs horizontal/sequential
                How to eval any Eso. brand, bk, relig, song: weighted using 4 puzzle piece emphases, M Hall immature: covers least what matters most.
                Cyb matters most, then Heim, LCog/MCP, least Metaphor
                Group: egodeath Message: 5137 From: egodeath Date: 21/09/2011
                Subject: Re: My distinctive writing Hand with modern esoteric character
                Diary of a Madman album lyrics by Bob Daisley are handwritten all-caps, quite common in the 80s in the tech world too then: drafting, computer programming, electronic schematics including guitar amps.

                I’d like to know more about the art decisions for that album.


                Re: quantum physics, I hate conflating measuring with conscious observing; against those cheaters (Robt A Wilson, backdoor parapsy Psi) observing doesn’t cause the particle’s location. Wolfgang Smith’s peren phil&sci books I hope concur with Cushing on this, my minority view w Ein, against Bohr/RAW.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5138 From: egodeath Date: 21/09/2011
                Subject: Re: My distinctive writing Hand with modern esoteric character
                Diary of a Madman album lyrics by Bob Daisley are handwritten all-caps, quite common in the 80s in the tech world too then: drafting, computer programming, electronic schematics including guitar amps.

                I’d like to know more about the art decisions for that album.


                Re: quantum physics, I hate conflating measuring with conscious observing; against those cheaters (Robt A Wilson, backdoor parapsy Psi) observing doesn’t cause the particle’s location. Wolfgang Smith’s peren phil&sci books I hope concur with Cushing on this, my minority view w Ein, against Bohr/RAW.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5139 From: egodeath Date: 21/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
                Can “I’m in demand” be heard “I’m ending man”?


                Other:

                I’m balancing neatness of my posts against ease of writing my posts, providing more ideas, less formatting sometimes.

                Daniel Wegner’s bk Illusion of Conscious Will – I’m more powerful saying the will is largely illusory/aspects; revise ideas, not dumb simple negation.

                Best in class: Luke Myers bk Gnostic Visions. Acaciabark+syRue = DMT, & enths in W relig/Eso’m

                Eval bks on how much focus on Cyb/Heim/LCog/Metph per my main article.

                In my 80s archives, found letters I wrote to nonphilosophers 1987, and long list of my ’87 acronyms.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5142 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Vertical causality (timeless, holistic) & horizontal causality (sequ
                http://cy-gb.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=407087983620
                “Happy Hour is Now”
                by One Cosmos, July 7, 2010
                Condensed by Michael Hoffman (preserved original word-choice)

                Just as nature speaks to man in the form of scientific knowledge, Being speaks to him in the form of revelation. The latter speaks to us because we are creatures, and therefore “receive” our being from elsewhere and elsewhom. We do not create our own being, for only the Creator can do that. We can create, but we cannot create something from nothing, or being from non-being.

                Creaturehood means “to be continually receiving being and essence from the divine Source and Creator…” Our formal and final causes are vertical, while our material and efficient causes are horizontal.

                This is one of the things that distinguishes Judeo-Christian metaphysics from, say, Islam, where there is only vertical causation, or bonehead atheism, where there is only horizontal causation.

                Cause and effect needn’t be linear, as in past-to-future. This confuses people who have difficulty grasping the reality of the vertical, where cause and effect are simultaneous, “as when the stories of a building, or rungs on a ladder, or books in a pile each rest on the one below it” (Kreeft).

                Not all causes are prior in time. While they are in time, their source is in the timeless. This is how to regard the vertical transmissions known as revelation, which are really interoffice memos from Self to self; that is, from higher to lower self.

                We are dependent upon the ocean without dissolving into it. Creaturely things can never become independent of the force of the Creator who communicates being to them.” At no point do we cease being “clay ‘in the potter’s hand.'” That’s related to Genesis 2 in particular and revelation in general. God forms man from the dust in the ground *now*; he gives him the breath of life *now*; he makes him a living being *now*. Scripture is not just about what happened “once upon a time,” but what happens every time, every moment, once upon a timeless.

                Revelation is primarily about vertical causation, not horizontal causation. Man has no need of God’s direct intervention where his own faculties suffice. Being that we are horizontal creatures, we have no great difficulty discerning horizontal causes. Indeed, we can trace them all the way back to the first moment of creation, with the Big Bang. But that is only the first horizontal moment. It has nothing to do with the vertical causation that continues taking place at every moment. An exclusive focus on horizontal causation can be misleading.

                Vertical causation makes fundamental change is possible. For example, Alcoholics Anonymous is able to save hopeless drunks. Its first principles:

                1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol [or self-control dysfunction in general -mh] — that our lives had become unmanageable.
                2. We came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
                3. We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God [vertical/timeless source of our control-thoughts and everything -mh].

                The person first acknowledges that they are completely lost and helpless in the world of horizontal causes. But they place their faith in a vertical cause that can “restore them to sanity,” or wholeness and harmony.

                It is a power greater than ourselves. This first step is necessary in order to re-establish that vital link between the above and below, and to get things flowing again.

                This communication, or vertical causation, is grace in the broadest sense. This is also the “cause” of our wholeness, or “oneness.” Cut off from grace, even if we are not an animal, we will be riven by splits in the psyche, and perpetually driven or pulled this way and that.

                Christopher Hitchens is an example of what happens to someone who declares war on vertical causation. Although Hitchens aspired “to moral authenticity” in his own way, he actually wanted to “have it both ways”: “It is as though he sees his own double-dealing as a rather agreeable versatility — as testimony to his myriad-mindedness rather than as a privileged, spoilt-brat desire to hog it all…. Characteristically, Hitchens embraces the contradiction, making no effort to hide his desire to have it both ways, and making constant references to his ‘two-track system’ and ‘double-entry books.'”
                But the unhappy hour of horizontal exile always returns. See Genesis 3 for details.
                _______________
                end of condensed post by One Cosmos
                Group: egodeath Message: 5143 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Self-control seizure in Mithraism via Cyb/Heim/LCog/Metaph
                Per my original research and theory: Mithraism was essentially an initiation technique that deliberately provoked self-control seizure, induced via Cybernetics, Heimarmene, loose cognition, and metaphor. Mithraism and other mystery religions used entheogens to deliberately induce the experience of heimarmene — finding your control-thoughts to be controlled by a mysterious hidden source that lies outside your realm of control. Mystery religions induced the threatening loss of control with self-control turning against itself into an alarming, escalating self-control seizure, and then, in some sense, transcending heimarmene and regaining the sense of effective controllership, now transformed and mitigated by the experience of ultimate noncontrol and heimarmene — the intense dissociative-state (mystic-state, altered-state, ecstatic-state) experience of being ultimately fate-controlled rather than autonomously self-controlled.

                Religious initiation and the peak mystic-state experience is about our potential to climax in escalating the effort to control control-thoughts, recursively, in a spiral or whirling pattern. This is not just one strange dynamic among the menagerie (assortment) in the loosecog state or the loosecog experiential-phenomenology realm. Testing our self-control power in light of timeless fatedness, in the loose cognitive state, our understanding amplified by metaphors, is the potential mental dynamic which is the most direct and efficient approach to ego death experience and religious experiencing.

                The not-quite-there scholarship of Peter Kingsley, Manly Hall, and Seyyed Nasr is like a guitar amp that’s not plugged in. It’s right, but missing the electricity — that is, such scholarship on initiatory tradition and mystic philosophy is missing the classic Western combination of Cybernetics, Heimarmene, Entheogens, and Metaphor.

                Mithraism’s initiation combined:

                o Testing the mind’s self-control cybernetics: testing our ability to control our self-control thoughts and prevent thoughts of an effective loss of control.

                o Looking for presetness of our control-thoughts (Heimarmene), beyond the power of the agent-self to change or steer away from.

                o Entering into the loose-cognition (Entheogenic) state.

                o Applying Metaphor to emphasize the relevant mental dynamics.


                To form a meaningful reconstruction of Mithraism and of religion, combine the following:

                o Carl Ruck/Mark Hoffman/Jose Celdran’s 2011 book on entheogens in Mithraism.

                o David Ulansey’s coverage of transcending fate (controlling the axis of the fixed stars to move them; ascending beyond the sphere of the fixed stars, punching through the astral plane).

                o Tamsyn Barton’s 1994 book Ancient Astrology, around 10 mentions of fate and heimarmene, transcending them, overcoming the power of fate, a god powerful enough to rule over the fate-controlling stars.

                o Luther Martin’s book Hellenistic Religion, on the central importance of the theme of heimarmene.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5144 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: 1988 first drafts of Egodeath article
                The first draft of what would become my main article was written August 12, 1988. It begins:

                “Here are compiled and resolved the principles of Special Knowledge, inspired by all the major fields which have studied it, but rigorously thought through and resolved logically. With sufficient study, the reader will find that Transcendent Knowledge resolves Egoic thinking in much the same way that Relativity resolved Newtonian physics.”


                In contrast to that often-used long-winded style, my final draft begins with a concise summary, like a useful encyclopedia article that cuts straight to the point, the executive summary:

                “The Entheogen Theory of Religion and Ego Death explains what is revealed in religious revelation and in enlightenment, including the nature of personal control agency. The essence and origin of religion is the use of …”


                My first draft of my main summary article (the latter is http://egodeath.com/EntheogenTheoryOfReligion.htm) was hand-written in mechanical pencil (Pentel P205) on binder filler paper in a cabin on a lake in Minnesota between Summer session and Fall semester.

                This initial draft written off the top of my head appears to contain the same ideas as my good January 1997 summary article I uploaded to Principia Cybernetica. I spent the 8.5 years delay reading and writing. I only read a handful of books by the time I wrote the first draft. Most of the Theory I worked-up by my own, isolated idea-development over thousands of pages.

                After trying to write 25-page drafts of the article by early 1989, and seeing the content tend to explode out of control, I spent until late 1996 reading broadly (nonfiction). I developed an understanding of the existing corpus of ideas I wanted to publish into, and tested my ideas by comparing them against existing writings.

                My serious reading period, including building my library and doing library and bookstore research, was from around late 1991 to late 1996 — 5 years. I wrote many postings at the WELL and many free-form idea-development files during that period. I finally dealt with the content-explosion problem by setting a very low word-count and only summarizing each of 9 principles or topics. That became the concise summary of the core Theory posted to Principia Cybernetica at the start of 1997, as “Mark Hofmann”.
                http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Annotations/PHILOSI.0.html
                http://egodeath.com/intro.htm

                Over the years, into 2005, I continued to struggle with the problem of how to state the theory without a content explosion. Again I solved that problem by first defining the word count and then injecting ideas into the article while condensing words as much as possible, resulting in a 27-page article that is a terse theory-specification rather than prose. That project is tracked in Egodeath Yahoo group postings.

                After the 8.5 years of reading and writing between the 1988 first draft (August 12, 1988) and the core summary (~Jan. 1, 1997), I didn’t modify or expand the ideas in my core theory. I could just as well have uploaded a late 1988 draft as my 1/97 draft. At one point around 1994, I ceremonially desecrated some of the typical books in my library to break my attitude of respect for current thinking. I feel kind of resentful for being intimidated from publishing my fledgling core article in 1988, by a bunch of half-educated authors. The Web enables such good encouragement now, for good new ideas to be shared without feeling obliged to do 8.5 years of reading the existing low-quality writings first.

                I suspect my 1988 draft is, in its content, as good as that core content in my later writings. The core theory was born in and sprang from my head fully formed, in a way, such that my first writeup of it was solid and unimpeachable. I might have thought to include an additional point or better wording, by 1997, but I think if you put the two drafts side by side, there’s no difference in the *content*.

                I expect the only content missing from the handwritten first draft is the same content that’s missing from the January 1997 core summary: the Phase 2, peripheral content, which is the least important of the 4 key areas: Metaphor, including ahistoricity (of Jesus, Paul, and the Bible stories altogether), history of entheogens in religion, the Maximal Entheogen Theory of Religion, mythic metaphor, and religious myth — particularly snake and king.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5145 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Self-control seizure in Mithraism via Cyb/Heim/LCog/Metaph
                Mushrooms, Myth and Mithras: The Drug Cult that Civilized Europe
                Carl Ruck, Mark Hoffman, Jose Celdran
                July 2011
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0872864707
                Contributes clear mushroom images. No heimarmene (does David Ulansey’s book cover that?) but covers crossing the astral plane and being born from a rock.
                Good introductory chapter. Readable.
                Recommended, for entheogen scholars. I’m looking forward to reading more of this book.


                The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries: Cosmology and Salvation in the Ancient World
                David Ulansey
                1989
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0195067886
                More recently, David Ulansey has some association with entheogens, appearing in an entheogen documentary, after writing his Mithras book.
                _______
                The Old Philosopher’s review of Ulansey’s book:

                From dictionary.com:
                Mystery \Mys”ter*y\, n.; pl. Mysteries. [L. mysterium, Gr. ?, fr. ? one initiated in mysteries; cf. ? to initiate into the mysteries, fr. ? to shut the eyes. Cf. Mute, a.]

                1. A profound secret; something wholly unknown, or something kept cautiously concealed, and therefore exciting curiosity or wonder; something which has not been or can not be explained; hence, specifically, that which is beyond human comprehension.

                2. A kind of secret religious celebration, to which none were admitted except those who had been initiated by certain preparatory ceremonies; — usually plural; as, the Eleusinian mysteries.

                The “mysteries” of mystery religions are spiritual journeys through the “underworld” to meet the God or Goddess of death and rebirth. They appeal to the deep part of human psychology as Jung wrote about extensively. Mithraism celebrated its mysteries in caves and caverns beneath the ground, a representation of entering the underworld of the soul.

                Mithraism is a “mystery cult.” Its religious teachings were mysteries, journeys through the underworld of the soul. David Ulansey interprets the symbols on Mithraic art, and proposes a theory on the origin of the Mithraic religion. The most common Mithraic art is the “tauroctony” which is a picture of Mithras slaying a bull beneath astrological symbols. Ulansey proposes that Mithraism originated in Tarsus during the first century BCE. He theorizes that Mithras is the constellation Perseus, seen above the constellation Taurus, and portrayed as slayer of Taurus. He theorizes that the astronomical discovery of the precession of the calendar through the astronomical signs caused a major religious upheaval in lands where Gods were astrological.

                He theorizes that the Stoic philosophers and religious leaders in Tarsus, a city in Asia Minor, created the Mithraic religion because of this new scientific revelation. The spring equinox at that time was coming out of Aries and moving into Pisces. Two thousand years later it is now moving out of Pieces into Aquarius, the so-called age of Aquarius. Ulansey theorizes that the Stoic philosophers in Tarsus, using the new scientific of the precession of the solar rotation, calculated backward more than two thousand years to an age of Taurus, and based the Mithraic religion on the end of the age of Taurus, supposedly envisioned as Perseus slaying Taurus. The new religion was then supposedly picked up by Clinician pirates and spread throughout the Roman Empire.

                Ulansey’s analysis leaves a lot out and raises more questions than he answers. The first question that comes to mind is why the name Mithra instead of Perseus? He suggests that the name comes from the King of Tarsus who was named for Mithra, an Iranian God. He suggests that since the images of Perseus and Apollo were both often seen on Cilicean coinage in similar images, it was obvious to call God by the name of the King, Mithra. The reader may be left wondering where this leap of logic happened.

                Also left out entirely is any explanation or theory about the involvement of the Iranian God Mithra, whose worship predates Roman Mithraism by at least several centuries, and for whom the succession of Kings of Tarsus was named. It seems unlikely that Mithraism doesn’t have roots in an earlier version, as evidenced by the previous succession of Kings of Tarsus. I was left wondering.

                But the biggest thing left out of the book is the “Mithraic Mysteries” the subject promised by the title. Not addressed, described, or even mentioned is the secret religious rituals, celebrations or initiations of the mystery cult. It may be that nobody knows what they were, similar to the lost Eleusinian mysteries, but if they are unknown why are we promised an explanation of their origins in the title? On the whole I was disappointed, not because the author’s explanation was lacking, but because I read through to the end and the subject of the Mithraic Mysteries had not even been mentioned.

                –end of The Old Philosopher’s review of Ulansey’s book–
                Group: egodeath Message: 5146 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Self-control seizure in Mithraism via Cyb/Heim/LCog/Metaph
                >>No heimarmene (does David Ulansey’s book cover that?)
                should read:
                >>No heimarmene (covered by David Ulansey’s book)
                Group: egodeath Message: 5147 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Metaphors: Toys for death of the youthful self-concept
                Toys that you, as an adult child, as a “youth” during initiation, play with, when the Divine abducts you to Hades’ realm of those who no longer live:

                o A spinning top. Like my sparkly blue dreidel, a top is a religious representation of transcending hiemarmene: it exhibits precession, the movement of unmovable, unchanging fate. The top represents the sphere of the fixed stars spinning around the earth. The fixed stars represent heimarmene/fatedness/presetness of our control-thoughts. Precession represents transcending unchangability, transcending heimarmene.

                o A doll, puppet, or marionette.

                The song “Twilight Zone” by Rush:
                Look up to see a giant boy
                You’ve just become his brand new toy
                And no escape, no place to hide
                Here where time and space collide

                The song “Freewill” by Rush, from the album Permanent Waves:
                A planet of playthings
                We dance on the strings
                Of powers we cannot perceive

                That verse refers to the middle stage of psychospiritual transformation, in progressing from:
                1. Naive freewill prior to initiations
                2. Vertical, holistic, timeless, transcendent determinism
                3. Trans-rational, extra-cosmic, radically transcendent freedom.


                The song “Little Dolls” by Bob Daisley of The Ozzy Osbourne Band, from the album Diary of a Madman:
                No where to run – your fate is in his hands
                Your time has come – you’ll live to his command
                I’m warning you – the worst is yet to come
                The killer who – remains a mystery

                You never imagined such a fate could follow you
                (You never thought it was true)
                And when it’s your time I wonder how you’ll do
                Your kind of trouble’s running deeper than the sea

                You broke the rules
                You’ve been a fool
                The little doll is you

                That’s after the protagonist progressed from the naive youthful view “I’m free” to “Destiny planned out — Speculation of the wise”, or per Iron Maiden’s album Somewhere in Time:
                Take my hand
                I’ll take you to the other side
                To see the truth
                The path for you is decided
                Group: egodeath Message: 5148 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Religious myth: self-control seizure from Fate’s prior power
                Religious myth explained as metaphor for self-control seizure in light of heimarmene (Fate’s power over your control-thoughts):

                The following are equivalent:
                o Recovering after self-control seizure and reconfiguring your mental worldmodel to take into account timeless preset fatedness of thought, or timeless holistic vertical causality.
                o Being lifted into transcendent, trans-rational freedom (after starting with naive freewill thinking and then discovering heimarmene’s control over your thoughts).
                o Transcending heimarmene.
                o Being born from a rock.
                o Trampling the celestial cross.
                o Exiting the timeless block universe.

                The following are equivalent:
                o Perceiving heimarmene’s control over your thoughts
                o Lion
                o Gorgon
                o face of death
                o Medusa

                The following are equivalent:
                o Self-distrust, not trusting the near-future thoughts potentially given by the ground of being. Occurs a little in some initial loosecog exploration, then alot, then a little, as the mind is re-shaped and re-configured for stability, a dynamic skill of mental rebalancing, somewhat like learning to ride a bicycle.
                o War/battle in heaven
                o Wrestling with an angel all night
                o Wrath, torment, enmity, unrest, conflict

                Sacrificing your youthful false self-concept is a kind of migration of power; power (-attribution) magically shifts from yourself to the ground of being. This could explain cults of the dead: a way of harnessing or tapping into ego-death power.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5150 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: The Conservative/Progressive split in scholarship
                There is likely to be a split for awhile between truth (or intellectual consistency and integrity) and the official view. The official view will hold on, but will be no longer actually predominant, a dichotomy like we see with cannabis policy: in the rulers’ official story, everyone is against cannabis, though in the grassroots view, everyone is for cannabis.

                Writers about entheogens or ahistoricity of Jesus, Paul, and sacred writings shouldn’t be the slightest bit constrained or intimidated by the mainstream hidebound academic establishment. Read their books, write for all audiences, but don’t concede points, don’t compromise truth and boldness of thought. But to do this, progressive scholars must be in the right, in their understanding, having the best, most coherent, mature, and appealing ideas.

                Ruck leads here, in some respects — his Mithras book proudly lists Allegro first in the bibliography, as a rebel flag, though I would write that Allegro errs in being too conservative, underestimating the prevalence of visionary plants throughout all Western religion including all mystery religions, an open secret. All culture of antiquity was saturated with psychoactives.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5149 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Entheogen books by Martin Ball
                The Entheogenic Evolution: Psychedelics, Consciousness and Awakening the Human Spirit
                Martin Ball
                Dec. 2008
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0578002280

                Martin Ball wonders why people don’t relax and trust their own mind more, in the dissociative state: (condensed)

                “Like a space ship re-entering the atmosphere, I could feel the layers of my individual sense of self begin to reassert themselves, a collection of patterns and habits. But now I knew that there was something more profound, more complete, that everything is really just the One Being.

                I’ve learned how to truly surrender into God and let go of anything that might prevent me from being absorbed fully and completely in that state. The key is surrender. Simple, really, but I’ve seen it be exceedingly difficult for some. Fear takes hold. One grasps onto the disintegrating ego. Fear of death becomes overwhelming. So many struggle and resist the call to fall back into the Divine Love of God. There is so much fear.

                Many people are genuinely afraid of their own hearts, and the heart is the quickest path to God. The only thing that stands in the way of each individual fully experiencing God is one’s self. But that can be a huge obstacle, especially if one is afraid of the contents of his heart, for one cannot get to God without passing through the heart. The Heart of the Universe is One, and only one who has confronted the fear and the attachment in one’s own heart can truly dissolve into God.

                For some, this fear, this attachment, this refusal to surrrender and let go makes the 5-MeO-DMT experirnec a hellish one — one that they would not willingly repeat. But that is the hell they make for themselves. God, as the source of all that is, is pure love. We are the ones who choose how we want to create our reality, and if we hold onto fear and judgment, then when confronted with the enormity that is God in the mystical rapture, we will get from it what we create. God has given us that ability and that power. How we choose to use it is entirely up to us.”


                Entheologues: Conversations with Leading Psychedelic Thinkers, Explorers and Researchers
                Martin Ball
                July 2009
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0578030764
                “Entheogens have played a direct role in the spiritual practices of countless cultures. Martin W. Ball, Ph.D., makes the case for the value and significance of direct spiritual experience through entheogen use and how they can alter our collective understanding of the nature of reality and our personal relationship with the divine. Includes:
                o 2012
                o U.S. Supreme Court decisions regarding religious use of psychedelics
                o The phenomenology of entheogenic shamanism and mysticism
                o The history of sacred medicine use for spiritual practice
                o Advice for working with 5-MeO-DMT
                Ball takes his readers through a philosophical, spiritual, and personal journey into the heart of the sacred in search of a vision of hope and transformation.”

                Being Human: An Entheological Guide to God, Evolution and the Fractal Energetic Nature of Reality
                Martin Ball
                Oct. 2009
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0615328032
                Contents include:
                The Incomplete Perspective of Science; The Fantasy-laded Perspectives of Religions; Resolution
                Ego Formation in Children
                Are Entheogens really the most effective tool for Awakening?
                Things to be Aware of: Attachment to Story; The Dangers of Shamanism; Fear of Losing Control
                Trust
                Working Through Your Lessons
                Taking Responsibility
                Group: egodeath Message: 5151 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Entheogen scholarship, books
                Gnostic Visions: Uncovering the Greatest Secret of the Ancient World
                Luke Myers
                April 2011
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/1462005462
                Broad treatment of entheogens in Western esotericism/religion/initiations
                I have read parts of this in a Kindle version on laptop and smartphone, but printed books work better for thoroughly reading good books like this.


                The Mushroom in Christian Art: The Identity of Jesus in the Development of Christianity
                John Rush
                Forward by Martin Ball
                Jan 2011
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/1556439601
                Assessment of visual indications of entheogens in Christian history. The images ought to be made available online in high resolution, because the images on disc are low-resolution/blurry and therefore disappointing and inadequate, given that the book is centered on these images. Entheos journal has clear, convincing images.
                Recommended, for entheogen scholars.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5152 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Books: Ahistoricity of Jesus, Paul, Bible, & sacred writings
                Jesus: Neither God Nor Man – The Case for a Mythical Jesus
                Earl Doherty
                Oct 2009
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0968925928
                An expansion of his original book The Jesus Puzzle.


                Robert Price is supposedly writing a book on Paul — I assume it will assert that Paul didn’t exist, but was a cipher used by Marcion and bishops — nothing but a name that specific actual people use, to write under.
                http://www.amazon.com/Robert-M.-Price/e/B001JPBXS8/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_pop_1


                The Prolegomena of Jean Hardouin
                Translated into English by Edwin Johnson in 1909.
                New Edition in 2010 by Dr. Hermann Detering, Berlin.
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/3839183812
                >>In his famous “Prolegomena” the Jesuit Jean Hardouin (1646-1729) developed the thesis that the greater part of Classical literature, along with most Christian patristic literature, had been fabricated by a crew of forgers in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries.


                False Witnesses: Putting Historical Testimonies of Jesus Christ to the Test
                Hermann Detering
                2011
                http://www.radikalkritik.de/
                http://www.alibri-buecher.de/product_info.php/info/p371_Hermann-Detering–Falsche-Zeugen.html
                Author’s summary (my translation):
                Did Jesus really live? According to most theologians and historians, the historical existence of Jesus of Nazareth is clearly testified by not only Christian but also by non-Christian sources. These “witnesses” are primarily the ancient historian Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius and the Roman writer and governor of Bithynia, Pliny the Younger. Modern methods of investigation present the origins of Christianity in a new light. Is the Flavianum which discusses the “wise man” Jesus, actually from the pen of Josephus? Was there really a Neronian persecution of Christians? Does the “Chrestus” of Suetonius refer to Jesus? How authentic are the “Christians letters” of the younger Pliny? It turns out that the alleged “Jesus testimony” cannot serve as testimony to a historical Jesus of Nazareth, nor the existence of early Christianity in the first Century. These negative historical results raise the question of the importance of history for the Christian faith.

                Contents:
                o Christian interpolations in Josephus
                o Tacitus: The burning of Rome and the “Neronian persecution”
                o Pliny the Younger – Persecution of Christians in Bithynia
                o Suetonius, Pliny the Younger: Christ in Rome – Suetonius and his biographies of Roman emperors
                o Mara bar Serapion: the “wise king”
                o Thallus: An indication of the passion story?
                o The silence of non-Christian sources

                Detailed contents in German:
                http://www.alibri-buecher.de/docs/inhalt070.pdf
                Group: egodeath Message: 5153 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Titles of my theory and main article
                In my first drafts of my main article, I used the following working titles:

                (No title)
                (Aug. 12, 1988)

                A Reinterpretation of some Key Tenets of the Current Paradigm of Ego Transcendence
                (Sep. 17, 1988)

                A New Paradigm of Ego Transcendence

                A New Theory of Ego Transcendence
                9/26/88


                On 10/16/88, I hand-wrote the following set of title ideas in my sketchbook, using a thin black Sanford brand uni-ball MICRO pen:
                ============
                This is the full title of my work:

                The Hoffman Relationship Analysis System and Conceptual System of Ego Transcendence, Transcendent Knowledge, and Transcendent Human Mental Construct Processing, Relating Mind, Man, Control, and Environment

                Short title:
                The Theory of Ego Transcendence

                Paper:
                Introduction to a New Conceptual System of Ego Transcendence
                ============

                Introduction to a New Conceptual System of Ego Transcendence
                (10/19/88 draft printout)

                The Theory of Ego Transcendence
                Used on the draft printout for my graduation photo, because that concise title looked elegant.

                On 10/22/88, I hand-wrote in my sketchbook:
                Introduction to a New Conceptual System of Humanity, Man, Mind, Ego, Control, Environment, and Transcendence

                On 10/29/88, I hand-wrote in my sketchbook, possibly for the first time:
                The Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence
                I have always felt that this title is most accurately descriptive and distinctive, while still being elegant, and it puts the public emphasis the same as in my mind. At the forefront in my thinking is self-control cybernetics and mental model transformation away from the egoic mental model, rather than entheogens. And ego death is merely a transient climactic experience, while ego transcendence (rightly understood) is lasting.

                Consistently with that, recently I decided that the most important of my 4 broadly defined areas of emphasis is (human self-control) Cybernetics, followed by Heimarmene, Loose Cog, then lastly, Metaphor.


                The title of my main article ended up being:
                The Entheogen Theory of Religion and Ego Death
                http://egodeath.com/EntheogenTheoryOfReligion.htm
                I designed that title, and the article, for publication in Salvia Divinorum magazine, Issue 4.

                In my idea development files or notes, I refer to my theory as TK (Transcendent Knowledge) or CTET (Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence).
                Group: egodeath Message: 5154 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Books I read before forming the core Theory
                I was only a beginner at critical reading of spiritual self-help enlightenment books. I have a couple bookshelf photos that show my small book collection prior to August 1988. Neither did I spend time in library research or bookstores, until I began library research around Jan. 1988 for the first time. By the time I wrote the first draft of my article in August 1988, I had read, semi-critically:

                1985: Ken Keyes’ book How to Enjoy Your Life in Spite of It All. Simple metaprogramming, taking responsibility for running your mind, an idea which was fodder for Extropian, Faustian great (yet reasonable) expectations of securing direct, non-malfunctioning self-control of one’s self-control.

                1986?: Some modules in Marvin Minsky’s book The Society of Mind, an AI book that denies free will.

                1986: Chogyam Trungpa’s Tibetan Buddhism books _Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism_ (1973), and _The Myth of Freedom and the Way of Meditation_ (1976), both published by Shambhala. I don’t think these impressed me much, though I probably picked up some general predominant ideas about meditation and spiritual enlightenment. I would have to re-read these to determine how much they influenced my objectives in 1986 — and my writing and thinking style prior to the sea change around April 1987, where I switched to more of a contemporary late-20th Century, direct, non-poetic, Cognitive Science style.

                1986-7: Alan Watts’ book The Way of Zen.

                1986-8: Some of Ken Wilber’s first 4 books (The Spectrum of Consciousness, No Boundary, The Atman Project, A Sociable God).
                ________

                1988 (after the “Tao-block” breakthrough of 1/11/88): Douglas Hofstadter’s book Godel, Escher, Bach (strange loop of self). I discussed some ideas from the book with my music grad student roommate in Fall 1987, but I didn’t get and read the book until early 1988. In the mid-1990s I extracted and uploaded the detailed table of contents, so that people could for the first time see what the book covers — the author didn’t convey that effectively, as he wrote later in his book I Am a Strange Loop.
                http://egodeath.com/geb.htm
                http://egodeath.com/geb.doc
                Group: egodeath Message: 5155 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Cog Sci, Phil of Mind, Cog Psych, Phenomenology, Neurosci
                Cognitive Science, Philosophy of Mind, Cognitive Psychology, Phenomenology, Neuroscience

                Introduction to Phenomenology
                Robert Sokolowski
                2000
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0521660998
                http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Phenomenology-Robert-Sokolowski/dp/0521660998/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0
                Looks plain-spoken, possibly the most useful book on the subject. Pair it with Benny Shanon’s book Antipodes of the Mind.

                Self Comes to Mind: Constructing the Conscious Brain
                Antonio Damasio
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0307378756
                Lacks much that could be interesting, such as multistate science per Tart.

                The Ego Tunnel: The Science of the Mind and the Myth of the Self
                Thomas Metzinger
                2009
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0465045677
                Metzinger is triumphal but unsophisticated in this popular-audience book: he silently presuppposes and proffers a particular definition of ‘self’ as if it’s the only one, and then criticizes ‘self’, taken that way as if the only possible way, as illusory and nonexistent. His earlier long book might be more nuanced. A half-baked analysis style. He argues from physiological evidence – a reductionist, materialist argumentation style that’s lacking.

                Being No One: The Self-Model Theory of Subjectivity
                Thomas Metzinger
                2003
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0262633086
                His earlier, detailed academic book.

                Daniel Wegner’s work/website/books/limitations. akrasia (dysfunctions of the will), illusion of will, cog psych, Ego Tunnel
                http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~wegner/
                http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~wegner/seed.htm — The Seed of Our Undoing, about trying to not think of something ironically causes that thought, like getting caught in a net. I suggest trying to avoid thinking of near-future loss of effective self-control.

                Bernard Baars
                Cognition, Brain, and Consciousness: Introduction to Cognitive Neuroscience (2nd Ed.)
                Bernard Baars, Nicole Gage
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0123750709
                Search inside for ‘psychoactive’, see page 295: This big textbook on Cognitive Science has a weak page on psychoactive drugs. One minute the writing is enlightened (“cannabis”), the next, not (“marijuana”). Just as Wasson was critical when critiquing Eliad, and an unthinking dullard when critiquing Allegro, the brilliant cognitive science neuroscientists become mediocre thinkers and writers when the topic of entheogens comes up — even though many people in the discipline are highly interested in loosecog.

                “psychoactive plants, long fasting… Many of these practices are no better understood today than they were centuries ago … that humans can and should change their states of consciousness and their sense of self.” The page is not worthy of a science textbook, and barely touches on the subject of visionary psychoactives. Is this the best we can do, Cognitive Scientists? Is that all you’ve got, in this 672 page book?
                Group: egodeath Message: 5156 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Gateway, intruder, stability, trust, and ejection from Heaven
                The altered-state ideas of gateway, intruder, and trust: Why the control-vortex self-control seizure must be dealt with and serves as a gateway. Because as long as you don’t encounter it and deal with it and learn to develop trust, and learn to worry about trust and then develop trust, until you’ve done that, you remain vulnerable. The theme of being vulnerable, and fear of being vulnerable, and project of trying to close off that vulnerability, the Achilles’ heel: we are vulnerable to losing control, vulerable to some hidden thing, invincible, invulnerable, Mithras is invincible. We as ego agents are vulnerable rather than invincible.

                Until you learn, there’s a gateway function, and you’re an intruder into heaven, and Satan has gone into heaven and tresspassed. Until you deal with the problem of trust, when you enter heaven and you claim to be invulnerable and secure, you’re liable to be flung out. You’re in sin, you’re dirty, you’re tresspassing, you’re in rebellion, you don’t belong there, you’re not a native, you’re an intruder, you’re unstable, your’re vulnerable. Until you raise the question of your security and your vulnerability, and come to the conclusion of having to trust and honor and give obeisance, Fides, faith… without dealing with this vortex and this gate, you’re entering into the dangerous, sacred realm, the Holy of Holies, in an unfaithful way; you don’t realize it, but you lack integrity — lacking mental integrity, unreflectively harboring dumb, animalistic, self-contradictory assumptions about your own control agency.

                You haven’t yet put your faith and trust to the test. Only after you have put your faith and trust to the test and resolved your lack of mental control-integrity, are you stable, viable, and secure. Until then, you are entering into this altered state of loosecog, carrying with you an unstable mental operating system– you might do ok for awhile, but almost everyone certainly experiences the problem of trust, stability, and vulnerability. This is why you don’t have religion proper in most pop spirituality and non-initiation religion — what you have is immature, unstable religion, which is why stability is such a big theme in gnosticism.

                Stability, the gateway, the doorway, “I am the door”. You can sneak in to heaven, into the loosecog state, without reshaping your mental model regarding personal control. Not only you can, but that’s inevitably how it works. For every initiate, they take the entheogen, and enter into the loosecog state, metaphorized as ‘the divine realm’, and then once they’re in it, then they discover something is amiss, and eventually when the truth comes out that we are vulnerable and that we are not in control of the source of our thoughts, then Lucifer falls out from out of heaven (must fall out), is ejected, and this always happens in every initiate.

                Lucifer enters into Heaven, so to speak, and is ejected afterwards, after some time, multiple times, during the series of initiations. A good way to model this specifically is that Lucifer is a little bit ejected the first few times, and then the peak of his being ejected, and then afterwards, following up and fine-tuning the remnants of that egoic thinking are then ejected again a little bit in the subsequent initiations after the peak-most initiation.

                Similarly, during our ‘youth’ prior to the series of initations, we are *all* possessed by a demon that must be cast out — or some 7 demons, per astral ascent mysticism. Hierophant is equivalent to exorcist. You get initiated in order to exorcise your youthful demon, your false self-conception as an agent that commands the power of freewill autonomy over his own control-thoughts across time.

                This is not then just a discussion of metaphor. The substance here is the question:
                Is grappling with the control vortex the main part of religion?
                What is the role of this self-control seizure, this grappling about trust and vulnerability?
                What is the role of this dynamic?
                Is this what religion is all about, is this the real essence of religion, is this the only thing about religion that’s acually the proper subject of religion?
                Does religion boil down to only this dynamic?

                There’s some truth to that.

                But in any case, this dynamic certainly does serve as a gateway or doorway function and a doorway dynamic. So many metaphors tie into this, like cleansing of sin, stopping rebelion again the Lord, Satan falling from heaven, stability/instability, Mithraism, descent to hell or being in hell of separation. Hell is not simply ordinary-state life separated from God, as opposed to say professing belief in some version of God, as one of the versions proferred in the ordinary-state churches and theologies. Rather, the idea of separation from God being Hell, the Hell part of it really applies…

                The best model of the hellish existence is that which is going through grasping and churning and struggling (thrashing) regarding personal control, sort of a frustrating exasperating and ongoing long-term controlaholism, mixed in with a series of altered state paranoias or freakouts or hellish, but awesome, fearsome, terrifying, and yet exhilarating, and exciting and *ecstatic* experiences of wrath, of what it’s like to intuit this hidden uncontrollable controller that’s at the source of our thoughts, to intuit that while still fighting and battling against it and taking an egoic position against it.

                Hellishness is that mixture, those two alternaating and mixed together: a life of struggling for control and to get more control, and to close off the vulnerability, both in the ordinary state and in the series of initiations. That’s the fullest and truest sense of “alienation from God being Hell”, or “Hell being a state of alienation from God”.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5157 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Gateway, intruder, stability, trust, and ejection from Heaven
                (transcription of voice recording while driving, 9/23/11)
                Group: egodeath Message: 5159 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Gateway, intruder, stability, trust, and ejection from Heaven
                Here’s a colorful depiction of Hell as a mass-production operation to roast-away egos. Everyone must spend some ample enjoyable time in Hell getting their egoic mental model of autonomous self-control power roasted away by the friendly angels.

                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/photos/album/1872526336/pic/426548791/view

                This art shows two angels on the left in blue with long poles, and the rest is firey orange. It seems like everyone there is spiritual philosophers. I’m in there somewhere, and the artist is in there too.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5160 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Cog Sci, Phil of Mind, Cog Psych, Phenomenology, Neurosci
                Contemporary book about Phenomenology as an approach to Philosophy of Mind & Cognitive Science:

                The Phenomenological Mind: An Introduction to Philosophy of Mind and Cognitive Science
                Shaun Gallagher, Dan Zahavi
                2007
                http://amazon.com/o/asin/0415391229

                Blurbs and publisher’s description, condensed:

                Introduction to:
                o Phenomenological Philosophy of Mind
                o Phenomenology
                o Cognitive Science
                o Philosophy of Mind

                What phenomenology has to say about cognition and consciousness and how it relates to the scientific study of cognition.

                A fresh new approach, this clear and accessible book shows the relevance of phenomenology to contemporary investigations of the mind and brain. For those in the cognitive sciences, to understand Phenomenology and its relevance to their research.

                The first book to properly introduce fundamental questions about the mind from the perspective of phenomenology.

                Covers:
                o What is phenomenology?
                o Naturalizing phenomenology and the empirical cognitive sciences
                o Phenomenology and consciousness
                o Consciousness and self-consciousness, including perception and action
                o Time and consciousness, including William James
                o Intentionality
                o The embodied mind
                o Action
                o Knowledge of other minds
                o Situated and extended minds
                o Phenomenology and personal identity
                o Phantom limb syndrome, blindsight and self-disorders in schizophrenia
                Group: egodeath Message: 5161 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
                My previous analysis of Diary of a Madman is at:
                http://egodeath.com/sablyrics.htm

                The album deserves a fuller analysis, including artwork, all lyric lines, and the audio.

                For example:

                Artwork: Ozzy is shown 4 times, in 3 phases. Twice on the front cover, twice on the back cover.
                Front cover:
                1. Happy illicit child, representing the first few loosecog sessions.
                2. Young adult having reached the first gate: enthusiastically, ecstatically breaking the chains of egoic cross-time self-control, a half-enlightened madman, having broken and initially transcended his ego-constraints. The cross on the wall is upside-down, representing the continued presence of the presumption of wielding autonomous control-power.
                Back cover:
                3. The unchained madman is dead, slumped on the study desk.
                4. The perfected initiate in white is on the cross, which now appears upright, indicating repudiating the assumption of wielding autonomous control-power. The false claimant to kingship is fastened to, embedded in, the spacetime block. Compare the slumped king puppet with strings into the heavens, on the cover of the Rush album A Farewell to Kings. Also the puppet strings from hidden God to tombstones on the Metallica album Master of Puppets, relating God, death, control levels, and illusion of control.

                Lyrics:
                The early claim of “no astrology (fatedness), I’m free” gives way to the later claim “Destiny planned out – speculation of the wise”.

                Audio:
                People think I’m crazy but I’m in demand [double-pronounced as “I’m ending man”?]
                Never heard a thing I said (dead, dead, dead)
                Group: egodeath Message: 5162 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
                Photos of the front and back covers:
                http://www.amazon.com/Diary-Madman-Legacy-Ozzy-Osbourne/dp/B004RQVVGU/ref=ntt_mus_ep_dpi_1

                The sleeve art appears to be unavailable on the Web. That’s terrible. The original vinyl album includes 4 square feet of authentic enlightened occult literary and graphic art. The sleeve art needs to be somehow photographed and uploaded in high resolution. The vinyl has been rereleased but without the sleeve art, shamefully. This album was killed and suppressed: shrunk to CD size, then the cover art shrunk smaller than the CD, the sleeve art removed, the bass and drums recorded-over. The entire 12″ vinyl including sleeve art needs to be restored to its original towering glory.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5163 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
                I found 1 partial, blurry, angled photo of the sleeve lyrics on the Web, from the recent $140 box set which includes the original restored recordings on vinyl and CD. This does appear to be pretty accurately close to the original packaging.

                Bob Daisley’s case to get credit for writing the Diary of a Madman and Blizzard of Ozz lyrics went to the Supreme Court. (This needs fact-checking for precision.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_of_Ozz — “Ozzy states in his new autobiography that he felt sorry for removing Daisley’s and Kerslake’s tracks from the album … he had nothing to do either with the removing or the re-recording process.”

                http://egodeath.com/MysticStateAllusionsOzzyDaisley.htm — Daisley said “I wrote all the lyrics on Blizzard Of Ozz, Diary Of A Madman, Bark at the Moon, The Ultimate Sin and No Rest for the Wicked. … one review that said that we were the thinking man’s heavy metal. I was really proud of that. Whether people knew it or not, I knew that I had written the lyrics.”


                These links (slide numbers) are somewhat unstable. The sleeve art is around slide 19-21.

                Sleeve showing lyrics
                Photo of album sleeve of Diary of a Madman from Box Set — Lyrics, 4 columns, picture angled, cut off:
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/photos/album/516071947/pic/62944178/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
                http://www.guitarworld.com/video-ozzy-osbourne-checks-out-new-blizzard-ozzdiary-madman-box-set#slide-20
                Click + to zoom.
                Right-click, Save Image As. Open locally in an image viewer.
                Actually shows DoaM lyrics, as “Slide 21”. In the 2nd column of lyrics, the 2nd line from the bottom, you can see “DESTINY PLANNED OUT”, and the bottom line is “SPECULATION OF THE WISE”.
                Above the lyrics on the sleeve is the word Sunday in Theban script, and the word dhudsday (?) (my translation). I would like to know if the astrological symbols above the lyrics form a particular date and what happened with Bob Daisley on those two dates. I read these lyrics on this 12″ sleeve often, 1981, to 1988, to present, and this album appears in various of my room photos around 1987.

                Sleeve showing band photo:
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/photos/album/516071947/pic/1244912839/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
                http://www.guitarworld.com/video-ozzy-osbourne-checks-out-new-blizzard-ozzdiary-madman-box-set#slide-19
                Click + to zoom.
                Right-click, Save Image As. Open locally in an image viewer.
                Actually shows a band photo, as “Slide 20”. The text in Theban script translates as “The Ozzy Osbourne Band” but, oddly, the “band photo” shows Rudy Sarzo, not Bob Daisley who you hear on bass guitar on the original album (and 2011 restored album) and who wrote the lyrics for Ozzy’s first few albums. The original album was already cursed regarding revealing who the band or artist actually is.


                Sleeve lyrics for Blizzard of Ozz, including the song Mr. Crowley:
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/photos/album/516071947/pic/572214547/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
                http://www.guitarworld.com/video-ozzy-osbourne-checks-out-new-blizzard-ozzdiary-madman-box-set#slide-18
                Click + to zoom. Right-click, Save Image As. Open locally in an image viewer.
                Actually shows the sleeve with lyrics, as “Slide 19”. Below each song it reads “Words and Music by Ozzy Osbourne, Bob Daisley, and Randy Rhoads”. That’s vague; the lyrics were written by Bob Daisley, with minimal input, if any, from Ozzy or Randy.


                You read these “Ozzy” lyrics or hear Ozzy sing them, but “I” basically means the writer of the lyrics, Bob Daisley.

                “Mr. Crowley, I wanna know what you meant.” — Bob Daisley

                I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the following lyrics or what’s actually sung or possibly double-enunciated here. From the sleeve, verbatim. Bob Daisley wrote:


                [Big M] Mr. Crowley, what went on in your head
                Mr. Crowley, did you talk with the dead
                Your life style to me seemed so tragic
                With the thrill of it all
                You fooled all the people with magic
                You waited on Satan’s call

                Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure
                Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
                Uncovering things that were sacred manifest on this earth
                Conceived in the eye of a secret
                And they scattered the afterbirth

                SOLO

                Mr. Crowley, won’t you ride my white horse
                Mr. Crowley, it’s symbolic of course
                Approaching a time that is classic
                I hear maidens call
                Approaching a time that is drastic
                Standing with their backs to the wall

                EPILOGUE:
                Was it polemically sent
                I wanna know what you meant
                I wanna know
                I wanna know what you meant

                — Lyrics written by Bob Daisley
                Group: egodeath Message: 5164 From: egodeath Date: 24/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
                The photos are clearer at the Guitar World website; recommended.
                Group: egodeath Message: 5165 From: egodeath Date: 25/09/2011
                Subject: Re: Bob Daisley wrote the lyrics for Ozzy album Diary of a Madman
                Album artwork interview that appeared in the German ROCKS magazine in October 2009:

                http://www.krusher.co.uk/designs/doamm.php

                ROCKS: How do you remember coming up with the idea for the “Diary Of A Madman” record sleeve – the spooky setting, the details, Ozzy’s dressing, the kid in the background et cetera?

                I was first asked if I’d be interested in working on the project by legendary photographer Fin Costello, who’d previously worked for Deep Purple, Rush, and KISS. We’d met in Motorhead’s management office, went for a drink and the rest is history. Fin had already had a meeting with Jet Records (Ozzy’s label) about doing the cover and was now looking for ideas to turn his phenomenal photographic skills towards.

                When we first discussed it several ideas were mentioned, but we both agreed that there had to be an element of Hammer Horror humour and the occult about it, hence the upside down cross and the poster with the strange magic alphabet on the wall. I designed the poster and it uses the Theban Alphabet, which I’d seen in a magazine I used to buy as a teenager called `Man, Myth, and Magic’. It actually says `OZZY OSBOURNE THE BAND’. The rest are just scribbles.

                My original idea for the cover was to have Ozzy very much in the foreground, in fact more of a head and shoulders shot, with him laughing madly in front of his diary, which was to be one of those big, old leather bound books, with the head of a dove lying on it. The background for the shot was to be a semi-derelict castle interior, with the heavy oak door broken from its hinges, where Ozzy had knocked it down when entering the room and through the door there was a dark landscape with a full moon visible in the sky. But Fin had other ideas, although the full moon appeared on a later sleeve.

                ROCKS: Who is the kid in the background actually? Was it a legal problem to show a kid on record sleeve back then?

                The young boy in the background was Ozzy’s six year old son [Louis] John [b. 1975], from his first marriage to Thelma. Thelma also designed and made the costumes worn on the cover. There was absolutely no thought at all that putting a young boy on the cover would be a problem. Nowadays I guess it’s a whole different ballgame. But in this case it was part of the concept that Fin had come up with for the album.

                On the front Ozzy is represented as a clothes torn, blood splattered, crazy eyed, leering madman. John is supposed to represent a young Ozzy reading the diary of what he’d become, with a dead bird lying on the table, a possible gift from the cat arching its back in the window. On the back John is replaced by the Ozzy from the front, a burnt out shell, draped across the table, like the bird, whilst in the background the new Ozzy emerges, clean of blood, his arms raised in as if in a crucifixion pose, dressed in a fresh and more bold costume. The upside down cross almost looks like it’s stuck into his skull.

                What it all means I have no f*cking idea!!! But it still brings a smile to my face, but what brings a bigger smile is that after the photo shoot was finished, someone thought it would be funny to ask young John what Daddy did with dead birds, referring to the stuffed one that had been lying on the table. Without any hesitation John picked up the bird and bit its head off! That cost us £200!!

                ROCKS: How detailed was the “mental” image of the final artwork you had in mind and did you have to make compromises finalising the artwork?

                I had a very definite idea of what I wanted to see on the cover, but I’d never worked with a photographer of Fin’s calibre and never with a decent budget to spend on props and scenery. I guess I didn’t really have the confidence to push for what I wanted and so I certainly had to make compromises, but I’m glad that I did.

                ROCKS: Please tell us about the runes and letters on the inner sleeve. There used to be a lot of talk about “satanic” messages. How long did it take to draw that stuff and IS there ANY meaning?

                Aggggghhh! The HIDDEN SATANIC MESSAGES!!! Well I’ve already told you that I used the Theban Magic Alphabet on the poster, but I also used it on the black and white inner sleeve. Above the picture of the band, it reads, THE OZZY OSBOURNE BAND and on the other side of the sleeve, which, was supposed to represent two pages from the madman’s diary, the word on the left says FRIDAY and the word on the right SATURDAY.

                The illustrations were my interpretation of some astronomical geographic illustrations that I’d found in a 1934 “Philips’ Universal Atlas”. Every home should have one.

                I also hand lettered the lyrics, but as this was a time before computer technology I had to do them larger than they appeared on the sleeve and then have them reduced to drop into the space I’d left for them. However when the reduced lyrics were delivered to my flat I realised that I’d f*cked up. They were actually smaller than the space that I’d wanted them to fill. To make matters worse the phone rings and it’s Jet Records telling me that a cab was being sent to pick up the artwork. I realised that I had about forty minutes before it would get to my flat and I literally picked up a pen and started scribbling.

                There are NO hidden satanic messages. The only message in there is `PAM 4 Mr.S’. Pam was my girlfriend at the time, and Mr.S was my nickname. However that wasn’t how the media saw it, especially in America where the indecipherable scrawls were picked up on, and according to them was the very hand of Satan himself. F*cking hilarious.

                ROCKS: Was it difficult to convince Ozzy/Sharon/the label of your ideas? Did/do they like it?

                No, once the idea had been put forward things moved very quickly. Did they like it? I hope so, it certainly brought them enough publicity that not even money could buy.

                ROCKS: Have you been familiar with the music of the Ozzy back then? Did you know the material of the record when you started working on the sleeve?

                I was very familiar with Ozzy’s work, especially his Black Sabbath output. I’d first seen Black Sabbath in concert at Malvern Winter Gardens on the 30th May, 1970 and they’d been a very important part of my wanting to work in the rock `n’ roll industry. I’d heard Ozzy’s `Blizzard Of Ozz’ and was suitably impressed as the stories circulating about him at the time were that he was completely out of control, was an alcoholic, drug addict and probably didn’t have long to live.

                When I started work on `Diary…’ I was given an advance cassette copy to listen too. I’ve still got it, and that’s what I did whilst creating the artwork, and very inspiring it was too. On first listen I knew that I was privileged to be part of something that was going to be HUGE!!

                ROCKS: How long did you actually work on the realization of the concept?

                To be honest it was so long ago that I really don’t know, but I would imagine that from my first meeting with Fin Costello to actually sending finished artwork to the printers would have taken four to six weeks.

                ROCKS: Was it easier to come up with this concept or with the ones for the following Ozzy records?

                To be honest all the work that I did for Ozzy was relatively easy, but with `Speak Of The Devil’ a decision had been made that we would carry on using my supposed Satanic handwriting, but this time we’d actually put some real messages in there using Runes. However I did put one message into the Satanic scribbles that read `NO HIDDEN MESSAGES’, and as for `Bark At The Moon’, well that was a very easy one for me to work on as all I had to do was design the logo and lettering for the front cover and then do a layout for the back cover and inner sleeve.

                ROCKS: What are your thoughts regarding this artwork today?

                `Diary Of A Madman’ was my first BIG break as far as album covers were concerned; I’d done one for Hawkwind, `Live ’79’, and a few covers for small independent labels, but this was the first one where I knew that it was going to be seen by a far larger audience. I’m still very proud that I was part of that project, and I’m still proud of the cover. I also find it amazing that 28 years later people still ask me questions about it and tell me how much they still love it.

                / interview with Krusher

                I created a dedicated photo page for the box set:
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egodeath/photos/album/996847604/pic/list
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