Egodeath Yahoo Group – Digest 127: 2014-12-24

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Group: egodeath Message: 6505 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
Subject: Re: Mytheme deciphered: one foot
The cleaned up Jason/snake kylix by Douris that I used for tree/snake understanding

Fritz Graf
Greek Mythology: An Introduction
1987
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0801853958
Group: egodeath Message: 6506 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
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The establishment has been proved wrong about Jesus existence. What else have they got wrong?

prohibition is entirely pretense, an insincere con-job

The establishment is wrong about space time physics. Our main model should be like minkowsky in 1900, prior to relativity, prior to quantum physics. I have always (since 1985 or 88) been like Newton organizing a wild area I am the Newton of transcendent knowledge. The ancients had no need for relativity or quantum physics Newton was good enough for them Newton is better but most who prays relativity and determinism and the block universe I don’t think they are about relativity so much asthey are concerned and value block universe based time which I think comes from Newton not from Einstein/minkowsky. Relativity adds more complexity than clarity it’s the precursor to studying relativity learning the space-time diagram that I think everyone actually understands and when they associate determinism with relativity I really think their associating determinism with the precursor to learning relativity I think what people really perceive in relativity as supporting block universeis not relativity per se but the more primitive fundamental elementary idea of the space time block space as a time as a space like to mention which is like the first minute of a University course in relativity and quantum physics

Everyone thinks relativity supports block universe determinism but rather the far more elementary idea of time as a space like dimention– that is what people are comprehending and mentally conflating with relativity and perceiving a clear support for Block universe determinism. if relativity supports block universe determinism that is merrily because of the embedded notion of time as a space like dimention- give credit where credit is due more like Newton. Did newton have the idea of time as a spacelike that mention or was that idea created as a precursor to build the sky castles of relativity instead of talking about quantum physics and relativity we should talk about time as a spacelike that mention which idea can beused in a new tune Newtonian framework simple elementary basic Newtonian framework gradeschool physics is plenty sufficient for comprehending time as a space like dimension and then the block universe determinism.

Newtonian space time plus time as a spacelike that mention is completely sufficient for the full eternal wisdom(eteralism) and ego death experiential realization.

If people understood relativity they would become unsure whether it supports block universe determinism.


Popular physics is a possibility branching so that the free will delusion has a place to hide, The pop king envisioned as steering among the possibility branches in the tree. Few Calvinists understand the true hyper Calvinism of John Calvin: God is the author of evil.

The establishment was wrong about what kind of book the Bible is it was wrong about heaven and hell

The establishment is wrong about mythology

The establishment is wrong about cognitive science which should highlight loose cognitive science; loose mental construct processing

The establishment is wrong about the historicity of religious founder figures Mohamed Moses Adam Jesus Paul church fathers

The. Establishment is wrong about mystic states which are rational and is wrong about emphasizing non-dual realization as the essence of religious knowledge
Group: egodeath Message: 6507 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
Subject: Re: Pagels: Johannine Gospel in Gnostic Exegesis: key = det’m
I have more to learn to be a power user of the phablet to view the desktop full version of a webpage.

This is my nutshell summarization of the two races per Valentinian gnosticism that I added as a comment to someone’s posting who said it was difficult understanding Elaine’s book The Johannine Gospel in Gnostic Exegesis. This summary could be improved by arranging as strict parallels.

The Egodeath theory serves as a summary or excavation of the underlying Valentinian view

Adult/higher/initiated Christians have ingested the true psychospiritual sacrament, they have been shown fatedness, no-free-will, the mythical-only Christ, personal non-control or non-meta-steering, the frozenness of our future path in rock, and the way to interpret writings this way; and have been shown that ‘sin’ means failing to perceive the illusory nature of freewill moral culpability, and there’s no afterlife heaven for reward or hell for punishment and no ego meta-steersman to punish or reward. They understand miracles and compound metaphors. They know that their future thoughts are shaped as a snake frozen in rock. They know that everyone is a puppet of the higher controller and creator of their thoughts. The steersman king is revealed to be steered from outside his domain as a puppet following a pre-set steering-rail.

Childhood/lower/noninitiated Christians haven’t ingested the psyche-altering bread and wine. They lack the Holy Spirit because they eat regular bread and drink regular wine. They still are in the childish, animal-like mental mode of freewill moral agents, using a mental model shaped as though the person is wielding meta-control steering-power as a king in a possibility-branching tree. They expect an afterlife heaven for reward and hell for punishment; they interpret ‘sin’ as freewill moral culpability and egoic control power. Lower Christians are literalists about all key points and themes, requiring a literal man on a physical cross.

Cooperation of the adult/higher/initiated Christians with the childhood/lower/noninitiated Christians:

To sustain the entire social-political body of the Church, the higher Christians choose to accept the lower Christians but in a lower rank, like children, like pre-initiates; mere lower-mind Christians. The higher mind of the church is the higher Christians, spiritual Christians, whose thoughts are recognized to be externally pushed and forced into the mind from outside of personal control power like wind-pushed helmsman forced to steer along a path.

Read:
o My review of this book
o Tim Freke’s book The Jesus Mysteries
o Pagels’ 2nd book – Paul
o Pagels’ 3rd book – Gnostic Gospels
o My summary-reviews of those books.

— Michael Hoffman, Egodeath.com

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2Z1JZDS125NHH/ref=cm_cr_dp_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1555403344&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=283155&store=books#wasThisHelpful
Group: egodeath Message: 6508 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
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Few Calvinists understand the true hyper Calvinism of John Calvin: God is the author of evil.
Citation: see the great book the Darkside of Calvinism each writer on reformed theology uses terms in a different way when someone says hyper Calvinism you have to deduce what that person thinks it meanswhen two people say Calvinism or tulip they mean two different things I differentiate two versions of so-called Calvinism
extreme hyper Calvinismwhich is the real Calvinism held by John Calvin

The label hyper which people use falsely asserts that it is too extreme
but what those people would call non-hyper non-excessive Calvinism is simply Arminianism in denial it is covert Arminian thinking
This supposedly excessive Calvinism is the only coherent Calvinism and it is what John Calvin asserts as proved by the super helpful Book the Darkside of Calvinism

and then there is the bogus, pseudo Calvinism which I could call free will Calvinism where God is not the author of evil and we are moral agents deserving eternal conscious torment (ECT).

So I have two clever labels but unfortunately both labels are ironic
hyper Calvinism which is in fact genuine Calvinism and then
free will Calvinism which is explicitly a contradiction in terms
The hyper Calvinistists are correct but they are incorrect regarding heaven hell, the nature of them
if God is the author of evil and the author of rebellion against God then the notion of hell as punishment for rebellion doesn’t make any sense at all
hell refers to purification of our thinking in the loose cognitive state
The so-called Calvinists who disparage hyper Calvinism are trying to sneak in free will moral culpability mixing it with God’s sovereignty which cannot be done no matter how many words you right
Group: egodeath Message: 6509 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
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Here is a formatting convention: the incorrect voice recognition word followed by correct word in square brackets. This enables me to point out a wrong word together with the correct word since there is no strikeout font available

Correction of text:
block universe based[space] time which I think comes from Newton not from Einstein/minkowsky

Maybe better formatting approach:
block universe space[not based] time which I think comes from Newton not from Einstein/minkowsky
Group: egodeath Message: 6510 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
Subject: Re: Voice recognition text input thread
I correct and turn upside down the establishment view I overturn the establishment of you in 20 fields simultaneously whereas books like on non-historical Jesus limit themselves to overturning one single field
But it is incoherent to overturn only one field you must overturn 20 fields in conjunction to become coherent

I overturn and revolutionary correct the following fields in an interdisciplinary integrated way
it would be nice to specify how I contradict the establishment viewin each field

In the field of Jesus studies — i and other no historical Jesus researchers assert there was no Jesus

No historical Jesus – even in this field I contribute contradictions of other researchers four example to explain Christian origins without historical Jesus requires visionary plants but that is literally censored I have multiple examples strong examples of censorship

space-time physics — I reject many worlds
I reject practically the entire tea of quantum physics
I reject branching
I reject the need for relativity when what we are really concerned with is block time which can be attached to Newton physics just fine
I dispute that relativity asserts block universe any more than Newton theory can

spirituality –regarding non-duality importance

Psychedelics visionary plants — I revised by adding eternal versus possibility model of time and control and by asserting and defining the maximal entheogen theory
most visionary plant books are far too week in their assertions of the normality of using visionary plants throughout history
I had to push against and refute the writers about visionary plants like McKenna they portray visionary plants as rare I portray them as the dead center of pre-modern practice

I have been a contrarian within the field of visionary plants, saying to the writers :
you are wrong, you are misrepresenting historical practice badly and you are self defeating. Thanks to you the Supreme Court says our primary white man tradition has no visionary plants
you are telling the establishment that use of visionary plants was deviant and rare. you are wrong stop doing that you are false and you are hurting the cause of reform

Mythology — I had to overturn the field like Robert Graves 1957 discovery that Greek myth is mushrooms and describes mushroom experiences a strange thing is that graves 1957 through 1973 seems more focused correctly on the experiences, the cognitive phenomena ,then Carl rock in his book titled consciousness

Meta-overturning — conventional people who overturn only overturn one field
I contradict them I told them they are wrong they ought to have overturned 20 fields
I fight against the revolutionaries, they are pseudo revolutionaries
Doherty price carrier are wrong to overturn Jesus studies or Christian origins without overturning 20 other fields simultaneously in an integrated way
they are not correctly being revolutionary they are pseudo revolutionary

Historical Jesus deniers are wrong when they delete Jesus while retaining Paul and church fathers and so much of the literalist pseudo history. I fought against them to go all the way
Group: egodeath Message: 6511 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
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When I say coral rock [Carl Ruck] I somewhat mean collaborator Mark Hoffman and the Entheos journal community, somewhat including Clark Heinrich. Rock stands for the non-maximal theory of visionary plants in religious history which I refute
and “Ruck” stands for the prematurely truncated theory that mythdescribes visionary plants the correct complete theory is that myth represents myth describes visionary plants revealing the eternal model of time and control against the possibility model

The Ruck Fallcy:
Here I define the ruck fallacy of :
portraying visionary plant use as rare and deviant in our history
and
halting prematurely at sheer use of mushrooms without climactic focus (without any understanding) on revealing the eternal model of time and control against the initial natural possibility model of time and control. This portion of the fallacy could be excused as specialization (when I say initial mental model always think of original sin)

Heinrich stands apart, his book strange fruit is closer to a maximal theory of visionary plants in history because it sweeps from pre-history through early modern and contemporary primitives
I doubt he could be accused of perpetuating the noxious moderate theory of visionary plants in history
I am an enemy of the moderate and the minimal theories
I created and advocate the maximal theory of visionary plants in throughout our own main primary mainstream religious history

I learned about no historical Jesus through the book strange fruit which somewhat incorrectly described allegro at first I dismissed as kooky and irrelevant and quickly I realized no historical Jesus amplified visionary plants in Bible interpretation and cleared the way for better theory of King on cross and how we are saved in and rescued in the mystic state by thinking of the king on the cross sacrificed
Group: egodeath Message: 6512 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
Subject: Re: Voice recognition text input thread
Against those who feel relativity is needed to prop up the block universe determinism it is an understatement to say that we can forget relativity and attach block universe to Newton it is true that the clearest articulation of time as a space like they mention itThe 1900 precursor to relativity time as a space like dimension you have to be as a pre-requisite you have to be crystal clear on focusing on that in order to discuss relativity but time as a space like dimension is not delivered to usas part of the relativity discovery it time as a space like dimension is distinct from and a precursor to relativity they invented the clear concept of time as a space like don’t mention the minion Kowski spaceTime diagram as a sharpened clearer than before tool to think about space and time but this tool is not a product of relativity it is a precursor to relativity and therefore can be seen as a clarification of Newtonian space-time physicsit is an understatement to say that we can back away from relativity and see time block universe as outcome of Newtonian physics we hardly need Newtonian physics we don’t need Newtonian physics the ancients already had the idea of time as a space like to mention because visionaryplants induces the experience and feeling and vision and comprehension of time as a space like dimension historically block universe determinism with time as a space like dimension proceeds Newton Newtonian space-time physics this is similar to the ancients discussdiscovering precession of the equinoxes and (

precession of the equinoxes is identified with in the second century transcending fate transcending destiny transcending the eternal model of time

We know the ancients thought of the Copernican earth centered model we know the ancients discovered precession of the equinoxes I announce that the ancients discovered “Einstein’s” Block universe determinism with time as eight space like dimension therefore we don’t even need to talk about Newtonian physics or Newtonian space time model more like human space-time model
Our innate space-time model is branching tree and then when clarified more is block universe with time as space like dimension . It is so fair that Carl popper called Einstein Parmenides. In a sense block universe is Newtonian space time for pedagogy 13-year-olds need to be merrily taught that organized clear-cut Newtonian physics enables the idea of enables understandingBlock universe with time as space dimension
We should tear the idea of block universe time away from relativity and attach it to elementary Newtonian physics. It is misleading to present block universe time as if it comes from relativity and one has to learn the idea those ideas togetherwe should teach people block time when we teach them middleschool (7th grade/age13 ) physics without any mention of relativity required or relevant. Yes historically block time was not articulated by Newton I think but by precursors to Einstein
however even if relativity is false or if it didn’t happen in history still block time remains standing as a clarification of Newtonian space-time physics elementary, and fundamental principle even without delving into relativity correctionsand fine points
Block time is essentially Newtonian space-time physics not Einstein relativity physics the ego death theory requiresideas that Newton organized not ideas that Einstein organized except that Einstein organized for newton Newton space time to point out that Newtons space time simply implies block time. It helps to picture block time as an idea positioned midway between Newton and Einstein, between Newtonian space-time physics and relativity. For teaching the ancients and for teaching children there is no need to put block time near relativity rather put block time in the introduction to Newtonian space timenewtonian space time including the potential idea of block time is ancient thinking clarified, without any taint of relativity needed — much less quantum physics’ demon haunted free will confusions, sky castles, and shoelace strings tied together
Group: egodeath Message: 6513 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
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Text. Spoken
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fab let. phablet
possible is him. Possibilism
Carl rock. Carl Ruck
eternal is him. Eternalism
In the engine. Entheogen

voice recognized:

the possibility model
the eternity model

Possibility thinking
eternity thinking

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The ego death theory has never required relativity
the ancients never required relativity
relativity provides a good exercise field to practice manipulating space time block frames of reference ,but strictly speaking:
block time idea stands independently from relativity

If we delete relativity, block time remains standing
like in the 1884 mail-order hindoo cannabis-candy-inspired occult revelation of time as a space like dimension, iron block universe, block universe determinism

In what year did William James criticize
iron block universe no free will

Edwin Abbott theologian schoolmaster in England 1884 contributed to block time time as spacelike dimension dimension in his book flatland

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Flatland

when and how did idea and understanding of block time time occur
it might go back to Flatland Victorian era analogies 1875 spiritual hidden occult : extrapolate
two versus three dimensions
to
three versus four dimensions

block time was in the air in the cannabis Indian Hindoo Mail order candy inspired Blavatsky occult 1850-1900 spiritualism

Blavatsky formulated block time time as a space like dimension to enable Einstein relativity while she was following branching paths in the forest looking for mushrooms and looking at branching trees and saw a snake

Einstein got relativity from various people, focusing hero cult, A leader figure for people to focus on, he organized the ideas

I am the primary organizer of transcendent knowledge in the way that science organized ideas for …
space station docking
In order for the American and Russian to dock they must have docking interface standard

science is a USB like standardized interface for delivering and connecting knowledge

my ego death theory adheres to the knowledge and communication useful practical explicit *interfacing standards* that science is.

Religious mythic metaphor is a communication interface standard

science is a different explicit communication interface standard

Forget what’s wrong with bad science
forget what’s wrong with bad religion
Don’t put the main focus on those

put the main focus on right science, and right religion, and right translation between them

I do a revolutionary repair of science

I do a revolutionary repair of religion

I do a revolutionary translation between corrected science and corrected religion

discuss the intended relationship between ideal religion and ideal science
Along the lines of Ken Wilber integral theory

Religion religious knowledge and scientific knowledge are not opposed rather they are two different communication interface standards

The ego death theory provides what is needed: a two-pronged, two leg approach:

one leg is the scientific communication interface to express transcendent knowledge

the other leg is the religious mythic metaphor communication interface standard to express transcendent knowledge

map the two legs together ;
map the two different communication interface standards together:
The science way of organizing thought ( in this case, transcendent knowledge/ transcendent thinking)
the religious mythic metaphor way of expressing thought (specifically: transcendent thinking)

The ego death theory is scientific it organizes thought using the science way of organizing thought
and it maps to The language of religion as if religion is the previous theory to be replaced, a previous theory that has less explanatory power

But I do not want to emphasize religion as having less explanatory power then science

even if that is true, I want to emphasize ideally:

religion is one completely perfect unobjectionable language that effectively expressis transcendent knowledge
and
science is designed and intended to be another different completely perfect unobjectionable language that effectively expresses transcendent knowledge
just as :

ideal Christianity perfectly expresses transcendent knowledge and
ideal buddhism and ideal Islam perfectly express is transcendent knowledge
as different human languages conveying the same content

the science way of organizing thought explains the week aspects of the religious metaphor way of organizing thought

all language is metaphor and analogy to some degree.

The Science communication interface standard uses metaphor in an explicit way.

The Religion communication interface standard uses metaphor in an implicit way.

Both science and religion are concerned above all with communicating transcendent knowledge, higher knowledge.

The goal of the Enlightenment was to establish a new communication interface standard to express transcendent knowledge.

The ego death theory is fully conversant with both communication interface standards that of religion and science.

Science is not about prediction and confirmation

science is about expressing thought in an explicit communication interface standard like systematic theology as a science

there is nothing wrong with systematic theology the problem is merrily that it lacks loose cognitive state and lacks the theory of metaphor.

From a positive perspective :

religion is one language that is meant, intended, and designed to insightfully and effectively communicate transcendent knowledge

science is a distinct separate language that is meant, intended, and designed to insightfully and effectively communicateand transcendent knowledge

the ego death theory is the Rosetta Stone that shows how both religion and science languages at their best proper usage insightfully and effectively communicate transcendent knowledge

The ego death theory is breakthrough deciphering of how science communicates transcendent knowledge

and is a breakthrough deciphering of how religion communicates transcendent knowledge

and is breakthrough deciphering of how science and religion as languages of thought and communication translate between and map to each other

I repair garbled miss use of religion as communication interface standard

I repair garbled miss use of science as communication interface standard which is meant to develop and express transcendent knowledge

and I repair garbled attempts to map between the language and translate between the language of correct religion expression and correct science expression

People are bad at speaking religion language as communication interface standard

people are bad at speaking science as communication interface standard for expressing transcendent knowledge

people are bad at translating between well spoken religion language and well spoken science language for expressing the same thing transcendent knowledge

The ego death theory straightens out these languages to enable religion communication interface standard to operate as it is supposed to and to enable science as communication interface standard to operate as it is supposed to and
therefore:

The ego death theory is the Rosetta Stone that enables correct system of translation between religion and science to express transcendent knowledge, attacking from both vectors(directions), describing transcendent knowledge in both languages

even Christian allegory, an insipid puerile cloying ethics obsessed style I despise, could be redeemed by including visionary plants, loose cognition and explicit models of time.

The problem is when some inferior approach displaces and substitutes for correct understanding.

New age thinking is excellent if it stops preventing correct understanding.
Freke’s New age writing increases correct understanding rather then substituting a fake

file that under the communication portion of the definition of cybernetics
cybernetics is the science of communication and control
cybernetics includes The science of communicating ;that is, communicating about self-control
To be a breakthrough in cybernetics I include breakthrough in communication about control

Copyright 2014 Michael Hoffman ego death.com
Group: egodeath Message: 6514 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
Subject: Re: Voice recognition text input thread
Sam Harris is a poor speaker of the language of science, which is intended to convey transcendent knowledge

Sam Harris is a poor speaker of the language of religion, which is intended to convey transcendent knowledge

Sam Harris is a poor translator between the languages of religion and science, both which are intended to convey transcendent knowledge

Therefore Sam Harris is incapable of recognizing that {religious myth} and {science with clear thinking} assert the same thing: the eternal model of time and
Group: egodeath Message: 6515 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
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… mental model of time and control (Eternalism, against our initial naïve possibilism ‘mental worldmodel)
Group: egodeath Message: 6516 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
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What is the correct definition of religion?
the standard is the ego death theory

what is the correct definition of science?
the standard is the ego death theory

When you want to define what science really truly amounts to, as your standard of reference is the ego death theory

The essential nature of science has nothing to do with mathematics

Science has nothing to do with predicting and control, or confirmation of predictions

science is about organizing thinking and knowledge explicitly.
Math sometimes helps towards this, and experiments help towards this

Science is a knowledge organization scheme and knowledge communication language
Group: egodeath Message: 6517 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
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If relativity contradicts the ego death theory too bad for relativity the theory is correct

If quantum physics contradicts the ego death theory too bad for quantum physics the theory is correct

actually people all have the idea that relativity proves block universe determinism, it so happens that like reform theology all fields affirm the ego death theory the field of relativity is taken by people to affirm the ego death theory

Reformed theology hyper Calvinism of John Calvin so-called hyper Calvinism affirms ego death theory

philosophers who writes about no free will the majority affirm ego death theory

a subset of the Field of quantum physics supports the ego death theory Boehm hidden variables, per books by James Cushing

Acid rock lyrics affirm the ego death theory

mystic mythic art, global religious art affirms the ego death theory — and simple visual art does not mainly depict non-dual consciousness

Absolutely mandatory that we have proportionate emphasis
if you reverse proper emphasis, your theory fails

Religious art and mythic imagery mainly depicts death of the steersman king on the possibility branching illusory tree, resulting in being forced by invisible controller to steer along your preset steering rail into the future, all thoughts frozen into stone rock space time at the banqueting party of mushroom wine
which we readily easily inexpensively experience with Salvia d , being frozen into space time block
Group: egodeath Message: 6518 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
Subject: Re: Voice recognition text input thread
Transcendent knowledge, as systematized by the ego death theory, must be the gold standard of reference for defining what science must ultimately be and what religion must ultimately be
Group: egodeath Message: 6519 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
Subject: Re: Voice recognition text input thread
What is truth?

Truth and wisdom is loose cognition revealing eternalism, refuting possibilism

The job of science is to organize and express transcendent truth (wisdom) explicitly specifically

the job of religion is to organize and express transcendent truth (wisdom) implicitly descriptively metaphorically

truth is that which is revealed by the Holy Spirit/ the loose cognitive state, the hidden wind (that forcefully pushes your unfurled sail in the altered state), the pneuma, the spirit, the loose cognitive association state, reveals relationships and connections that are summarized as:
eternalism versus possibilism
Group: egodeath Message: 6520 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
Subject: Re: Voice recognition text input thread
consistent hyper Calvinism:
God is the author of rebellion against God
therefore hell as punishment for rebellion against God collapses and Hell switches from being:
ego punishment of free will agents, to being:
correction of impurity and grotesque animal-like self-contradiction inconsistency of thinking

in fact hell is corrective of free will thinking impurity in our life.
Figuratively this correction (you must be roasted by the friendly angel in the fires of hellpurgatory purgation to purge free will thinking) is a punishment
actually it is correction and healing to make whole (which connects to non-dual consciousness

It is necessary per reformed theology to address reform theology to state both God is the author of evil and particularly God is the author of rebellion against God

this is important to focus on rebellion against God because that is the whole point of hellaccording to lower half-baked thinking that is impure thinking

like free will Calvinism which is probably 90% of pop Calvinism is tainted with impure free will thinking

the challenge for us is how to hunt and kill and sacrificeThe elements of free will thinking that contaminate our thinking

like even though Sam Harris tries hard to have no free will thinking he is still confused and contaminated and needs a way to help heal to help identify all of his natural initial free will thinking in order to overcome and sacrifice it

Imagery of dead king on cross or ram caught in bush or king on in Dionysus tree or Moses brass snake on a pole that is a tree with branches cut off
serves the purpose of finally getting it and successfully doing what we want to do which is to perceive our animal like free will thinking and transcend it
Group: egodeath Message: 6522 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
Subject: Re: Voice recognition text input thread
I am reversing the relationship

instead of taking science as something “they” have defined and then debating whether ego death theory fits the judgments of science
that is all backwards

the ego death theory is the measuring stick of how science must be defined

The ego death theory is ‘science’, scientific, where ‘science’ is defined as:
a way of organizing knowledge that is able to systematically explicitly comprehend and explain and define the ego death theory

Other theories of science are rubbish like predictionism, which is a superficial popular definition of science that no serious philosopher of science asserts and defends.

A elementary school childish definition of science may say it’s about predicting and confirming hypothesis, but that emphasis is all imbalanced and disproportionate.

Science is a way of organizing ideas and predictions and hypotheses and confirmations and communicating these involving variety of tools including math but not requiring any one tool

I have read the field of philosophy of science and I am not impressed

I have read Ken Wilber’s writings which are better on what ought we define as science regarding spiritual knowledge and experience

What is the right methodology for going about defining what science is

if science cannot accommodate the ego death theory that is not real science; science has failed to be what it is supposed to be; it is pseudoscience

science that doesn’t arrange itself around the ego death theory is pseudoscience, reductionist and limited artificially unnecessarily and falsely

I revolutionize the field of philosophy of science
Group: egodeath Message: 6523 From: egodeath Date: 24/12/2014
Subject: I am Science, Religion, and the University
Mark Driscoll wants to rule the world he is the brand he was intent on becoming the Head of the largest church organization in the world

I have already said that:

as the author of the ego death theory,

I *am* the University.

(and I grant degrees, accredited by me, to Max and cyber D)

Now I add:

As the discoverer and formulator of the ego death theory, the cybernetic theory of ego transcendence, explaining systematically and scientifically transcendent knowledge,

I *am* Science.

is the ego death theory scientific
it is science
I am science

is the ego death theory real religion?
it is the gold standard of real religion

As the author of the cybernetic entheogenic eternalism theory:

I *am* religion.

Mars Hill step aside
Group: egodeath Message: 6524 From: ajnavajra Date: 25/12/2014
Subject: Re: I am Science, Religion, and the University
Merry Xmas!

I’m quite comfy with the statement “Egodeath paradigm is the most scientific paradigm to date.”

The statements ” I *am* : Science, the University, and religion” sure come off as massive “ego” from the source thru whom the egodeath paradigm has come!!

Too much Xmas mixed wine?  Are you sporting with our egos???!!  Does putting *am* in asterisks imply some contextual subtlety about identity and beingness?

Oh well, you be as you is. And I honor your insights and work.

Thanks Michael.
Group: egodeath Message: 6525 From: egodeath Date: 27/12/2014
Subject: Bk: Brick Greek Myths/Fairy Tales/Bible
This series of books shows fanciful colorful mystic-state mythic metaphors including Greek myth, the Bible, and fairy tales, using photographs of LEGO toy pieces.

Brick Greek myths
The Brick Bible
Brick Fairy Tales
Brick Shakespeare

It is not the snake that heals; it is the snake contrasted with tree that heals; the tree-versus-snake contrast heals.

The brick story of Artemis and Acteon is incorrect and incomplete or missing the point in the same way that my main article missed a key point.

I wrote about Moses’ snake on a pole, and should have described the “time pole” instead as a tree with its branches cut off.

I wrote about the hunter turned into “an animal” and should have instead emphasized “a stag with branching antlers”.

The book Brick Greek Myths says Actaeon was turned into a deer, and it shows him as a fawn like Bambi.

This is mythically and mystically incorrect and shows lack of comprehension of the key point.

The hunter was turned into a stag, with branching antlers — the entire point is the branching, referring to illusory possibility branching, in contrast to monopossibility (nonbranching revealed in the mystic altered state).

The Egodeath main article of 2006 has an error: lack of the theory of possibility non-branching.

The intent of the article was to establish stakes in the ground marking out my complete greedy maximum area of priority of discovery to include the broadest possible scope of all of the most valuable intellectual property.

That was achieved, except for one key omission: the complement of the fate snake, that is, illusory possibility branching such as forking path and multi headed snake and branching trees, contrasted with non-branching palm tree and debranched tree.

I mastered in 2006 the non-branching snake, but not quite the entire field of metaphors for branching and metaphors for non-branching of possibilities that we seem to have the power to steer among.

Copyright 2014 Michael Hoffman ego death.com all rights reserved.
Group: egodeath Message: 6526 From: egodeath Date: 27/12/2014
Subject: Re: I am Science, Religion, and the University
Is the ”religion’ that the establishment proffers Religion?

Is the “Science” that the Establishment proffers Science?

Is the “University” that the Establishment proffers, the University?

No, against the old guard, the intelligences who know the ego death theory *are* religion; thinkers of the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence and the Egodeath theory *are* science.

Experienced and informed critical thinkers, not the old guard Establishment, are the measure of the what University is supposed to be according to reality (rather than what the University should be according to cultural politics and blind, ignorant judgment.

The Egodeath theoory of the essence of religion:

Religious mythic metaphor describes entheogens revealing Eternalism.

Metaphor describes the loose cognitive-association state revealing Eternalism against initial Possibilism thinking.

Religious mythic metaphor describes entheogens revealing Eternalism.

The Egodeath theory of religion is the measure of what bona fide Religion is and should be, at its core and origin and at its highest level.

The Egodeath theory, especially the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence, is the measure of what genuine, non-fraudulent, non-reductionist, non-crippled, relevant Science is and should be.

Intellectual existential responsibility: one must take ownership of one’s own conception of science, the university, and religion.

In early- to mid-2014 I had the idea, as a retort, that I *am* the university, as opposed to the attitude that “the university exists as something that the authorities have defined already and I strive to participate in it and rise up to its standards, their standards, some other person’s standards, with some success less than 100%”.

The tendency is for a person to be intimidated by society institutions and defensively argue that one’s ideas are good enough to be accepted by that outside external foreign institution outside the person.

That is not taking intellectual existential responsibility as a new breakthrough thinker creating and discovering a different contrasting rebuttal, an independent foundation on which to stand, such was Enlightenment thinking a breakaway independent basis of judgment.

My 1988 newly born independently born STEM-informed (science technology engineering math) and general semantics-informed by knowledge about visionary chemicals and plants, serves as our new independent basis of independent thinking

In tepid books advocating psychedelics, the authors lack independent thinking. Such writers “think” from a basis of prohibitionist thought, and must stop, and instead build the foundation of thinking purified, based on a new, late-modern, STEM basis that I discovered in engineering homework and studies.

The {block universe cybernetic non-control} definition of what ego transcendence is actually about, was born in the computer lab on a classic Apple Macintosh computer screen, and a few minutes later my mechanical engineering deadhead friend swung by.

I had classes on control systems, general semantics, technical writing, modern physics including relativity and space time physics, digital design and assembly programming, and math of everything; as well as some general education: ancient Greek and Roman history.

Ralph Metzner admitted recently about the shortsightedness of the psychedelics advocates of “novelty” this “new” discovery, psychedelics, in 60s.

In 1988 I did not yet know about historical use of visionary plants, or myth, and only knew that mystery religions existed; I only had the Core Theory, not the 2001-2014 theory of myth as metaphor describing entheogens triggering loose cognition revealing Eternalism, with a mythic, not historical, reading of the Jesus figure.

In 1999, with roots in 1986 meditation on the Bible, I started learning about the historical use of visionary plants.


In 1986-1987, reading King James from my grandfather in a Church of Christ within range of a leading countercultural city, I already recognized Revelation’s bittersweet scrolls as LSD or equivalent, and started connecting that to somehow mushrooms.

Clark Heinrich directly answered this key question I had since around 1986.

From 1986 until 1999, I had the awkward situation of a hypothesis that Revelation’s bittersweet scrolls equal LSD or some undefined equivalent.

I read the book strange fruit by Clark Heinrich around 1999 and went on to create the Maximal Entheogen Theory of Religion (and culture), which extends the work of Clark Heinrich, more than it extends the tepid establishment-compromised and prohibition-compromised assertions of Carl Ruck.

The childish (not intellectual existential responsibility) inclination is to show that one’s proposed theory is good enough or almost mostly good enough to meet up with the perfect ideal standards of the establishment.

But the establishment is wrong; the old theory is wrong, and the new theory is correct.

The successful superior thinker, the new successful theory with greater explanatory coherence that replaces the old theory such as it is, or the previous ill defined implicit quasi-theory, must reverse the relationship, and see that the old establishment earth-centered model, the received view and the old standards are incorrect and distorted and fall short of the new measure, the new superior standard that the new better thinker brings.

The tendency is to think that the established institution is ideal and one’s new theory struggles to reach two thirds of the way towards acceptability by the old standard.

As the new measure of science I reject the old way of thinking and assessing quality per modern enlightenment 1675; Newton and the Academy of sciences

I am the ego death theory

The ego death theory is science; the establishment old existing view is not the measure of science

The old existing establishment view is not the measure of religion;

The Egodeath theory is the measure of Religion, Science, and the University.

I am the ego death theory.

I am the measure of Religion, Science, and the University.

The enlightenment rational thinkers had to break away and establish an independent new basis, a new communication interfacing standard; they had to take responsibility for their own standards of thinking, and reject the Catholic society and old technology communication interface standards for organizing our knowledge database, and instead have a new birth, a new system of building-up and connecting-in areas of knowledge.

It was like a re-naissance, rebirth of the most ancient wisdom, but a *newly clear* seeing and capturing of the most-ancient tree-versus-snake insights into transcendent truth, a fresh brand-new start on a new basis of thinking that is inherently independent of the old basis of thinking.

The maximal psychedelics theory of our own religious origins

Drug policy reformers must use the ego death theory,
including the maximal psychedelics theory of our own religious origins,
as a new basis of thinking that is inherently fully independent of the old, contaminated prohibitionist basis of thinking.

The ego death theory is pure and virgin born created independently and strictly from within late modern STEM thinking as a new revelation independent from previous revelation and previous expression of Revelation

I am an independent new revelation.

Egodeath: It came from the engineering department.

The Egodeath theory (born in the university computer lab in January 1988 on an Apple personal computer) is entirely a new, thus *independent* product of that comes strictly from the STEM departments, not from the History, Classics, or Bible Studies department in 1988 nor the Religion nor Philosophy nor Psychology department nor Anthropology.

The 1988 Egodeath theory recognizes personal agency self-control cybernetics in light of the pre-set iron block universe as the core of ego transcendence, as opposed to Ken Wilber and Journal of Transpersonal Psychology’s non-duality model of what ego transcendence is primarily about.

With the Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence, androids and AIs have a new independent basis for realizing what is the true essence of scientific knowledge, the true essence of religious knowledge, and the true essence of what the highest knowledge to teach all university students and what the highest frontier of research in the University is.

The Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence is a brand-new, fresh, modern perspective on the most ancient knowledge and how to organize our understanding of it.

We had Newton and the scientific Academy of science starting with its fresh new measuring stick by which Catholic establishment religion is seen to fall short.

It’s not that the new way struggles to meet the standards of the old way.

The new, 1988 theory of loosecog Cybernetics frozen into the crystalline Ground of Being, and the 2001 theory of religious mythic metaphor as description of entheogens revealing Eternalism, overturn the old standards of what Religion, Science, and the University are for, sitting in judgment over the existing standards as falling short in failing to meet up with the new standards.

The 1675 new technology of communication interface and knowledge organization approach was the Enlightenment and rationality and scientific thinking of the now self-consciously modern world, a revolution of knowledge communication interface conventions (for building-up knowledge using a certain style and conceptual language) by deliberately consciously discovering and defining a new standard, and existentially owning that commitment to that standard as the measure by which the old establishment way of thinking and organizing information and communicating information is to be measured and falls short.

The new standard which the Egodeath brings from within the STEM departments independently, my new standard I deliver, shows that what was called religion, and what was called science, both fall short of the new dispensation’s superior standard that the STEM departments gave birth to through me, that the old 1988 or 2014 standard of what a university must be, fall short of the new standard which is:

The Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence, the Egodeath theory, marks the new era for new definitions of both science and religion.

The Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence is a new dispensation of revelation — a communication from Controller X to the steering-puppets frozen into the block universe, the 1988 Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence which I formulated within and from outside of the university of 1987 and the University of 2013.

To say that “… I *am* the university.”, as I first did in 2014, means that the existing idea of the university (or mere debased “multi-versity”, per education critic Neil Postman) actually falls short of the ideal standard.

Insofar as I am the one who brought together the Egodeath theory and published it for every computer on the World Wide Web to read and comprehend at age 13, I am the new standard for science, religion and University.

The Egodeath theory is the standard for what it is to be scientific; the standard for what it is to have religious gnosis; and the standard for what it is to be high knowledge that is investigated as the crown jewel in the university, online and brick-and-mortar.

The university, science, and religion (such as Islam and Jewish mysticism) are a failure until it centers around the Egodeath theory. Is the Egodeath theory good enough to meet the 2013 university standards, and the 2013 standards of science, and the 2013 standards of religion?
———
“independent” thinking
independent assertion or counterstatement

Science, in its non-broken non-degraded form, is not what current thinking says it is or should be.

High Science is like the 1988 Cybernetic Theory of Ego Transcendence.
Started in 1985
Breakthrough in 1988
Condensed/summarized through 1997

High Religion is like the 2001 Egodeath theory of {religious mythic metaphor as entheogens revealing Eternalism}.
Started in 1999
Breakthrough in 2001: the book of Revelation jokingly asserts no-free-will, and world mythology asserts no-free-will.
2006 summary article
2013 possibility-nonbranching, monopossibility; tree vs snake means Possiibilism vs. Eternalism metaphysical models of time and control. Staff of Aesclepius. 2-column condensed diagram of top mythemes on a Post-It note.


The Bible is not an independent statement and cannot be understood when read as such; the New Testament is a rebuttal to Roman imperial theology propaganda and claims to prop up hierarchical society.

The Bible is a rebuttal, a response, a retort.

The first word of the New Testament Mark one one or Paul’s first letter is: “,No; rather:…”

In effect, the New Testament begins with the words “no, against your statement, rather, …”, and serves to assert that Jesus, not Caesar (not “not Buddha”; not against the future religion of Islam; not against Science) is the only name by which we must be saved.

The New Testament is a rebuttal to and a refusal of the claims of Caesar, not the claims of Science or Islam or Buddhism or Hellenistic religion.

Copyright (C) 2014 Michael S. Hoffman (Egodeath.com). All Rights Reserved.
Group: egodeath Message: 6527 From: egodeath Date: 28/12/2014
Subject: Technique for defining Science and Religion
Very sick, unable to think or type or enunciate for voice dictation
therefore outline only ,for later
even this is beyond me
Could rewrite / clean up later

How to derive the proper definition of :
low religion
hi religion
low Science
hi science
low myth
hi Myth

consider the worst definition of science and religion
Junk religion opposed to junk science
Hi understanding of religion and high understanding of science are close together

what is junk religion, debased religion, ersatz religion degenerate religion egoic religion? Preserves the bulk of ego thinking while having a debased echo of bona fide religion knowledge.

definition of egoic enlightenment or “deluded enlightenment”: enlightenment is realization of non-duality while preserving free will steering among multi possibility branching preserving power of dualistic ego control power.

‘ego’ is used in pop thinking to mean one should be humble and not brag
but that definition is extremely far from the type of humility one must have in relation to the source of one’s thoughts in the mystic state

ego-power thinking is preserved in pop Calvinism which I disparage as free will Calvinism in which all effort is made to have both God’s sovereignty *and* ego responsibility deserving of ECT eternal conscious torment i.e. *Hell* (ego-punishment),
or conversely, after God has regenerated and the ego has turned itself/ steered itself toward faith, going to *Heaven* for ego reward

free will Calvinism is a nonsensical jumbled mishmash, typical of ego thinking; pop religion is a jumbled mishmash and fails to heal (make whole) and fails to exorcise the demon of egoic free will thinking

Free will Calvinism is even more insufficient than extreme hyper Calvinism. Both preserve ego-punishment hell (eternal conscious torment, ECT) and ego-reward heaven

The problem is our impurity of thinking our ego it thinking runs deep and it is not nearly enough to exorcise the demon if you only know the idea of non-duality; it is necessary to go all the way not half baked pop free will Calvinism

but not even extreme hyper Calvinism is sufficient to exorcise the demon; we must also have full understanding of purification in the flames of hell and we must have full systematic understanding of religious mythic metaphor

Religion need not have metaphor though historically it does to help amplify
metaphor serves a good purpose helpful of amplifying clear thinking when understood
but it can mislead through literal thinking, literal reading of metaphor

Nothing short of full understanding of the ego death theory can serve to effectively identify and exercise ego thinking

Technically, metaphor is not inherent in religion, if define hi religion purely as realization of mono possibility and non-meta steering

In the low conception of science, it is math predictions, and has nothing to do with religion, hermetically the two are sealed apart

In the high conception of science science is a way of non-metaphor systematic organization and communication

it is as much a stylistic matter as a content matter.

Worst definition of science is that it is a certain content like rocks and electricity but not covering religion

what content is science able to handle?

Science must be defined as ego death theory
axiom: ego death theory is high science
start from the axiom that ego death theory is best highest purest science, that what I did in 1987-1988 is science at its best, such that I ( my activities then studying STEM and developing the Egodeath theory while selectively critically reading Ken Wilber and Alan Watts along w marvin minsky’s Society of Mind), i am the standard of science,

then work from there to define what high science actually is
rather then ignorance based definitions of science that are ignorant of the Egodeath theory. thus deduce and discover the real nature of and potential of science.

What is science?
what is the science way of thinking and analysis?
Science is what was involved in the discovery of cybernetics self-control limitations in light of the crystalline ground of being or iron block universe in 1988

Science is the way I deciphered and explained religious mythic metaphor 2001 2006 2013

as opposed to Ken Wilber half-baked idea of just non-duality, which fails because it preserves and remains ignorant of most aspects of the ego ways of thinking

Writers previous to me are not wrong but are very incomplete
they are wrong in emphasis and wrong in comprehensiveness

Wilber’s framework is correct but his definition of religion within that framework is woefully incomplete and won’t help you in the midst of the mystic peak window self-control seizure

Martin Ball is nonduality lacking ego seizure dynamics theory, thus is of little use, even though he does have vague ideas of submission of control but falls short of scientific complete and systematic and relevance.

Such treatments of mystic realization that halt at non duality with a dash of control submission are sub-scientific, and the bulk of ego thinking remains in place Martin Ball (the non-duality definition of ego transcendence) fails to heal and to exorcise the demon.

many-worlds multiverse physics also preserves the bulk of ego thinking
multi-verse science is ego science


When everyone fully comprehends religion according to ego death theory, religion will be what it genuinely is rather then debased

should religion serve the needs of egoic people prior to initiation in one way, and then serve the needs of people after initiation some other way?

should we stamp out non initiated thinking, that most fleeting precious vulnerable delicate flower?

should we send to Hades childish free will thinking and do away with it forever for children and adults?


Real religion for androids is the song by Rush: the body electric; 100-1001 SOS. that code means the letter I in ASCII, meaning ego power of control and steering

The android ego death experience from Rush is metaphor

ultimate pure religion is not metaphor

science is not ultimately metaphor although it uses metaphor for analogy

Religion is the use of loosecog to fully change thinking from Possibilism to Eternalism.

Copyright (C) 2014 Michael S. Hoffman (Egodeath.com). All Rights Reserved.
Group: egodeath Message: 6528 From: egodeath Date: 28/12/2014
Subject: Re: Technique for defining Science and Religion
Ego it -> egoic
Exercise->exorcise
Group: egodeath Message: 6529 From: egodeath Date: 28/12/2014
Subject: Re: Technique for defining Science and Religion
Leveraging Tautology
You 100% meet the criteria, when *you* define the criteria

the ego death theory is 100% scientific, according to the definition of science which the Egodeath theory puts forth

The definition of religion according to the Egodeath theory

The definition of science according to the Egodeath theory
Vs per ego-thinking/ per Possibilism thinking

The definition of the University per the Egodeath theory

The definition of Eternalism per the Egodeath theory

The definition of Possibilism per the Egodeath theory

1988: definition of ego transcendence per the Egodeath theory : focused on personal control across time, and model of time and (esp. in 2013) possibility, rather than focused on non-duality

High rock lyrics vs low. Pop Psych combines high and low, Electric Prunes’ song written by a songwriter woman, Get Me to the World on Time: girl u make me feel egodeath. It would be fake rock, bunk rock, if it claimed to be great (or transcendent) but was mundane. The first Rush album was good mundane rock, not transcendent at all.

Pop religion incl systematic theology claims to be great but is fake ersatz fraudulent substitute because it is not great, it is religion per the low, ego-thinking definition of religion, per the Possibilism-thinking, Possibilist conception of Religion

No one has spelled out systematically the entire worldmodel that is implicit in the Eternalism model, no one has recognized that mystic religion and Reformed theology asserts Eternalism, until my tree vs snake realization nov 2013 and its roots in my 2007 posting on Eternalism. What we have, w/o the Egodeath theory, is mere disorganized fragments of this key realization, haphazard, imbalanced

Important: a connection-network of ideas must be well-structured; it’s not enough to ‘have a certain idea’, an idea-system must be rightly interconnected, for full explanatory coherence and power.

You can’t just dump half-baked ideas in a jumble like if you have our innate deeply entrenched Possibilism-thinking and then add Reformed theology.

Artist Cranach, Luther’s friend, understood Possibilism evidenced by esoteric painting Eve Tempted by the Serpent. We must, though, fully understand Possibilism explicitly and systematically per the Egodeath theory. Not merely metaphorically per Western esotericism.

M hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 6530 From: egodeath Date: 28/12/2014
Subject: Re: Technique for defining Science and Religion
Group: egodeath Message: 6531 From: egodeath Date: 28/12/2014
Subject: Re: Dutch translation: De Entheogene Theorie van Religie en Ego Dood
The Egodeath theory main article (without yet the explicit idea of monopossibility) was translated into Dutch. And Russian.
Maybe other languages too but i havent checked email since 2007.
Group: egodeath Message: 6532 From: egodeath Date: 29/12/2014
Subject: Re: Deciphered: tree vs. snake means Possibilism vs. Eternalism
I wrote about eternalism a little bit in 2007 and a lot in December 2012.
you can search the Egodeath Yahoo discussion group for records.

But the connection network did not fully come together and rewire until November 2013 (finishing through into June 2014).

This demonstrates that having an idea is not binary yes or no, but rather, refining and developing and revising idea connections, which is why multiple initiation sessions (loosecog sessions) are necessary, to lock onto the transcendent vision.

I remember crawling on the floor, in some hazy past (1987?) as described in the Jethro Tull song Locomotive Breath, when I was hunting and searching for understanding of control limits while thinking “don’t think that thought of unavoidable loss of control demonstration!”

“I must survive and prevent my mind from thinking that thought about loss of control!”

Like “don’t gaze on deity or you will die”, looking at Medusa’s attractive snakey locks.

There is a thought about control, about loss of control, that is the monster thought, seeing the snake, seeing divinity as in the myth of Artemis and Actaeon as illustrated in the book Brick Greek Myths.

You die, torn to pieces by your own hunting efforts, or turned into a rock statue frozen in spacetime.

I don’t know any book other than Paul Thagard’s Conceptual Revolutions that perfectly explains this or models the nature of theory replacement as revising network connections of ideas. Comprehension is a matter of degree of idea-network reconfiguration.

That entire week, I also had heroic mushrooms in mind, and potentiators, how they amplify idea reconfigurations Thanksgiving week 2013.

A maximum dose of mushrooms can make the body suddenly collapse, it’s dangerous, and you have to be helped back onto the horse like Silenas, Dionysus’ old inebriated man friend.

Mere mentioning of an idea, versus integrating the ramifications fully…

A breakthrough is like mountain range: a little peak, then a big peak, and then a little peak follow through.

M hoffman, as dead from flu
Group: egodeath Message: 6533 From: egodeath Date: 29/12/2014
Subject: Re: Deciphered: tree vs. snake means Possibilism vs. Eternalism
It’s absurd how tiny a clue I came across on Jan. 21, 2014, that led in a couple hours to discovering the interpretation puzzle of the staff of asclepius and simultaneously solving it drawing a Post-it note to give to Karen the barista, I have the photo.

This led immediately to solving moses’ rigid bronze healing serpent-on-a-pole (these figures were confirmed in better art as a debranched tree) (Jesus is compared to) and Heracles’ club.

The clue was: I was slogging through the book by Algis Uzdavinys, Philosophy and Theurgy in Late Antiquity,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1597310867
and saw the odd phrase, casually in passing, “a philosophers staff”, and thought “What is that supposed to mean?”

I had been working on deciphering variants such as popes’ crooked snake on staff. I dimly recalled the staff of Asclepius, don’t know where I saw that, maybe in research on caduceus.

As soon as I got to an internet research station, I did image searches to confirm the staff is a debranched tree, then Moses’ pole and Heracles’ club. It was immediate.

I haven’t yet recounted my Nov. 2013 tree vs. snake experience of insight which shook my world by mega confirmation and tightening/ reconfiguring of conceptual connections far more than ever before, which raises the question: was it my greatest conceptual revolution? Experientially it was.

M hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 6534 From: egodeath Date: 29/12/2014
Subject: Re: Deciphered: tree vs. snake means Possibilism vs. Eternalism
Algis’ book cover shows purifying hand washing from the Villa of the Mysteries fresco, holding a nonbranching branch. I’ve deciphered the fresco, not written up yet. As they say, there are mushroom shaped objects. And mask, mirror, corrective scourging, sail-billowing cloth, turning to look behind, and terror and pan and Dionysus and “women” maidens.

M hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 6535 From: egodeath Date: 29/12/2014
Subject: Re: Deciphered: tree vs. snake means Possibilism vs. Eternalism
I have already in separate contexts deciphered and posted on most themes of the villa of mysteries fresco: nonbranching, turn to look behind, maiden, “women”, mushrooms, purify, billowing sail cloth, panic, …

M hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 6536 From: egodeath Date: 29/12/2014
Subject: Re: Asymmetry of Reformed theology
The best book on Calvinism, proves that consistent extreme hyper-Calvinism and muddled freewill Calvinism are opposed and distinct.

The Dark Side of Calvinism: The Calvinist Caste System
by George Bryson
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1931667888
2004

Compare the Gnostic Valentinian idea of the two races.

Delete egoic ECT (eternal conscious torment) Hell and ego reward heaven for free will agents who are independent of God’s sovereignty, which are not consistent with extreme hyper Calvinism. Per Rob Bell’s book
Love Wins: A Book about Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Wins-About-Heaven-Person/dp/0062049658
2012
Rob Bell doesn’t understand hell and heaven as mystic altered state experiencing leading to mental model transformation about time and control. So his book is not much accomplishment in understanding, merely way-clearing for the Egodeath theory.

I don’t know of anyone else other than me putting together this connection: that heaven and hell are inconsistent with extreme hyper Calvinism, which John Calvin held.


What else did I learn studying what’s going on in Christian thinking these days? Mar$ Hill church collapsed due to excess bad judgment. Don’t worry, 1000 more will spring up to replace it; phony substitute religion is profitable.

It is not my goal to tell people that their religion is phony. It is my goal to present and make available true religion, as a better, alternative explanatory framework.

M hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 6537 From: egodeath Date: 29/12/2014
Subject: Mushroom paralysis
Heroes’ warning: A large portion of a gram can cause 6 hour paralysis on and off. The hero could be stuck immobilized or fall down stairs, though having unusually clear thinking. The nervous system can be disengaged, like Dionysus’ “drunkard” companion Silenus reclining on his horse, who has to be assisted in getting back on his horse.

Some guy on the internet reports that.
Group: egodeath Message: 6538 From: egodeath Date: 29/12/2014
Subject: Re: Bk: Did Jesus Exist? Mainstream Bart Ehrman confronts ahistoric
Web Search
washington post did jesus exist

This is the year ahistoricity goes mainstream.
Group: egodeath Message: 6539 From: egodeath Date: 29/12/2014
Subject: Re: Bk: Did Jesus Exist? Mainstream Bart Ehrman confronts ahistoric
One response article says then Paul didn’t exist either, if you want to be consistent. I was a proponent of this consistency, this two-for-one deal, early on. This is the year of mainstreaming of ahistoricity of founder figures. Currently it’s reasonable that Moses didn’t exist, and unreasonable that Jesus and Paul didn’t exist. The tide is moving still, of what is reasonable.
Group: egodeath Message: 6540 From: egodeath Date: 29/12/2014
Subject: Re: Bk: Did Jesus Exist? Mainstream Bart Ehrman confronts ahistoric
The Amazing Colossal Apostle …
Robert Price
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00IB3YSMO/
2012?

Did Moses Exist? …
Murdock
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00KI39S8Y/
Acharya S
May 2014
Group: egodeath Message: 6541 From: egodeath Date: 29/12/2014
Subject: Re: Bk: Did Jesus Exist? Mainstream Bart Ehrman confronts ahistoric
Detering’s book The Fabricated Paul was translated to English 2012, I have to copy my review from the original Amazon page to the English edition. Translator is apt: Darrell Doughty, who wrote Pauline Paradigms, generally recommended.


Phablet = crippled web, stop that! The gesture for show desktop view doesn’t work. There’s this bad thing called the Phablet Web, or mobile web, which is the Crippled Web, which means my postings are crippled postings. thanks a lot. Half the functionality has been removed.
Group: egodeath Message: 6542 From: egodeath Date: 30/12/2014
Subject: Publicity as distraction from deep thinking
Kenneth Humphreys mentions my work at
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/scholars.html

After the tree vs. snake monopossibility breakthrough of Nov. 2013, when reading about a vape lounge, I prayed to Controller X that I have a tranquil life, which has worked, enabling idea development.

Publicity: a little goes a long way, a lot risks distraction, risks preventing me from quiet thinking, risks mediocrity and premature halting of deep idea development. But publicity is inherent in Phase 3, Propagation.

Phase 1: core theory
Phase 2: mythic mapping
Phase 3: propagation

Phase 1 of my work was the Core Theory (though possibility nonbranching and monopossibility is probably not clear or developed in my 1988 first draft summary articles).

Phase 2 was religious mythic metaphor expressing the core theory — supposedly completed in 2007 in the main article.

My article outline “meaning of king on cross in antiquity” lacked “king in tree” connection or “snake on pole” equivalent mytheme pair. The idea for that article came when I was finishing the main article and reading about salvia, feeling there was something yet lacking in the main article, which had the ambition of owning the field, establishing priority of discovery of the entire field.

Part of the extreme shock of the 2013 tree vs. snake discovery (a dramatic collision of many research threads, producing 2 weeks of “OMFG, OMFG!!”) was that I was quite incorrect in thinking that my Core Theory, and my mythic metaphor theory, were complete in 2007.

Phase 2 didn’t finish until June 2014, after the ‘staff of Asclepius’ discovery, the king/ tree/ steering/ snake/ puppet/ rock diagrams, and the principle “any key mytheme pair implies the entire system”.

Phase 3 of my Egodeath theory work is propagation (though my August 1988 (Minnesota, Pentel P205 mechanical pencil) draft was for the Journal of Transpersonal Psychology). But propagation of my set of sometimes controversial ideas has a downside: fame and noteriety and distraction from idea development.

M hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 6543 From: egodeath Date: 30/12/2014
Subject: Re: Deciphered: tree vs. snake means Possibilism vs. Eternalism
We are familiar with and comfortable with the past as snake-shaped (only one course of action happened and exists), but when we steer through life in the present and into the future, it is hard to take seriously the mystic-state revelation that the future is snake-shaped, a set course of events.

To fully grasp the idea of Eternalism, to be healed, to be restored to wholeness, to exorcise the demon, consider the future to be snake-shaped, cast in stone in the same way as the past.

The familiar asymmetrical view is Possibilism, in which the past is a snake-shaped course of events but the future is tree-shaped possibilities.

M hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 6544 From: egodeath Date: 30/12/2014
Subject: Mask, maya, drama, nonduality, remembering origin
The universe casts itself out, projecting into a kind of multiplicity of agents, many masks of Dionysus. Entheogens induce loose cognition (in some, elect regions of the iron block universe), which collapses the illusion of separate agencies, and the mind remembers the singleness of the source of the illusion of separate control-agencies.

Just as the mask is only 1/20 of the Villa of the Mysteries fresco, nonduality is only 1/20 of transcendent knowledge that is revealed in the mystic altered state — and even that fraction is reduced and constrained when the other aspects are missing or not properly developed.

M hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 6545 From: egodeath Date: 31/12/2014
Subject: Lyrics: Hesitation Marks album (Nine Inch Nails)
Thank you Trent Reznor for the autographed vinyl new 2013 double-album Hesitation Marks. It is excellent and has some ego death lyrics. An excellent album has all tracks that can be enjoyed on Repeat Track.

The vinyl is stunningly clean and I listen to it on my hi-fi component stereo system that I bought new around 1978.

Artist: Nine Inch Nails
Album: Hesitation Marks
http://www.allmusic.com/album/hesitation-marks-mw0002555061

Certainly a strong 5 out of 5 stars, exemplary of what an album should be. It is fully listenable, it is musical, and it is transcendent to provide a model. There are no passages that need to be skipped over; no such weak points. It has the King Crimson guitarist Adrian Belew and the Fleetwood Mac guitarist Lindsey Buckingham.

I am likely to add my owner signature as

Cybermonk
Group: egodeath Message: 6547 From: egodeath Date: 31/12/2014
Subject: Condemning vs. elevating & comprehending religion
Those who are motivated by condemning religion are limited in their ability to understand and comprehend religion.
Kenneth Humphreys: “Resurrection is the most astoundin’ roobish in the New Testament.”

The Jesus figure frequently pokes fun at literalists. Read without literalist preconceptions.

The gospels are explicit that they are metaphorical. They plainly state this.


The pop bulk of religion is low, egoic, free-will-supporting religion.
The minority of religion is high, transcendent, no-free-will-revealing religion.

The only possible solution to the problem of religion and knowledge is to comprehend the puzzle of religious meaning — not to be astounded in incomprehension, not to reject religion.

Religion is not something that is possible to reject, any more than we have the option of rejecting our own heads.

It is possible to repair and elevate and comprehend religion so that it reaches its potential.

The nonduality and astrotheology models of religion cannot comprehend, repair, and elevate religion.

Only the Egodeath theory can comprehend, repair, and elevate religion, pushing through the core of religious mental worldmodel transformation about time and control.

M hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 6549 From: egodeath Date: 31/12/2014
Subject: Donate to StopTheDrugWar.org
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2014/dec/26/help_us_secure_our_victories_and

God’s reformer puppets in the dance of illusion of agency frozen in the spacetime rock are victorious over God’s thuggish, fraudulent, predatory prohibitionist puppets, leading to enlightenment
Group: egodeath Message: 6550 From: egodeath Date: 31/12/2014
Subject: Re: Condemning vs. elevating & comprehending religion
Announcing the general principle of ahistoricity of religious founder figures and religious origins, and the impossibility of full development of any theory of religion without the Egodeath theory. These theories are only correct to a limited extent; they are wrong insofar as they lack the Egodeath theory.

The nonduality and astrotheology and entheogen models of religion, and the ahistoricity model of regious origins, cannot comprehend themselves, cannot be complete, are woefully and seriously underdeveloped, without the Egodeath theory.

To understand ahistoricity, or astrotheology, or the entheogen theory of myth and religion, or nonduality, you must understand the Egodeath theory.


Half-baked astrotheology results, when lacking the Egodeath theory.

Half-baked understanding of nonduality results, when lacking the Egodeath theory.

Half-baked understanding of ahistoricity (of Jesus, Paul, and other religious founder figures) results, when lacking the Egodeath theory.

Half-baked understanding of entheogens in myth and religion results, when lacking the Egodeath theory.


The Egodeath theory is the required basis for understanding astrotheology and nonduality, the entheogen theory of myth and religion, and ahistoricity (origins of religions without a historical Jesus, Paul, Church Fathers, Moses, Adam, Eve, Abraham, Mohammed, or Buddha).


Without understanding the Egodeath theory, Acharya S can’t understand astrotheology, which she purports to advocate.

Without understanding the Egodeath theory, Martin Ball and Ken Wilber can’t understand nonduality, which they purport to advocate.

Without understanding the Egodeath theory, Carl Ruck can’t understand the entheogen theory of myth.

Without understanding the Egodeath theory, Earl Doherty, Robert Price, and Richard Carrier, and Kenneth Humphreys can’t understand the origins of Christianity without a historical Jesus.

I now extend and formally generalize the concept and the field of ahistoricity.

Scholars of ahistoricity cannot understand ahistoricity or religious origins without understanding the Egodeath theory.

— Michael Hoffman, the Egodeath theorist
Group: egodeath Message: 6551 From: egodeath Date: 31/12/2014
Subject: Re: Condemning vs. elevating & comprehending religion
Acharya S doesn’t have a theory of astrotheology that is complete, without the Egodeath theory.

Martin Ball doesn’t have a theory of nonduality that is complete, without the Egodeath theory.

Robert Price doesn’t have a theory of ahistoricity of Jesus and Paul and Christian origins that is complete, without the Egodeath theory.

Carl Ruck doesn’t have a theory of entheogens in religion and myth that is complete, without the Egodeath theory.

This principle of incompleteness of fields applies to Sam Harris’ no-free-will, and Reformed Theology, and the other fields that I have completed, corrected, and integrated. The debate among William James (iron block universe determinism), Popper, and Einstein (Parmenides) is incomplete without the Egodeath theory. So are the Philosophy of Spacetime Physics books, whether they advicate branching/multiverse or nonbranching/singleworld. The only full elaboration of what Einstein or Harris purports to advocate, or what James purports to reject, is the Egodeath theory. No one until the Egodeath theory has bothered to spell out the full vision and ramifications of the iron block universe or the sovereignty of God.

Nor do the Heavy Acid Rock lyricists fully spell out their visionary glimpse of “Destiny planned out”, “master of puppets”, “the path for you is decided”, “all preordained, a prisoner in chains, a victim of venomous fate”, or “no one at the bridge”.

— Michael Hoffman, the Egodeath theorist, December 31, 2014
Group: egodeath Message: 6552 From: egodeath Date: 31/12/2014
Subject: Re: Condemning vs. elevating & comprehending religion
No one until the Egodeath theory has bothered to, or has been able to, spell out the full vision and ramifications of the iron block universe or the sovereignty of God.

No one has perceived, spelled out, and gone to the trouble of seeing the full extent of ramifications; no one has perceived the full model that is being proposed, that is at hand.

When Popper and Einstein and William James mention bits and pieces of the iron block universe and no-free-will idea, when Sam Harris dabbles in bits and pieces, fragments of this model that he supposedly advocates, they do not spell out in full the entire system they are discussing.

You must map the system of iron block universe determinism and it’s no free will, as a sytem, SYSTEMATICALLY, of to religious myth fully, as I have done, before you can perceive and define the model which is being debated.

Everyone supposedly rejects or supposedly advocates bits and pieces of the model, but nobody until the Egodeath theory has made an attempt to even define what the block universe no-free-will model asserts and implies!

The incompleteness of defining what is being debated is strange.

The consistently piecemeal and carelessly incomplete definition of the model that is in view is strange.

Nobody seems to have to realize how large the system is. They have no idea how large, how wide-ranging the alternative model is.

They glimpse pieces of it and think that that’s all there is to discuss.

There are 10 fragmented, incomplete conversations going on in 10 fields, but people show no awareness that these are all tentacles of the same beast.

They are all interconnected ramifications of a single major alternative system discovered in fragments in separate cave projects, but all these caves are interconnected.

They see a portion of the beast and discuss that portion as if it were the entirety of the monster under consideration.

One person decapitates the other in the public square, justified by religious ethics, yet both are helpless puppets controlled by the all-powerful God; people don’t perceive or understand the full ramifications of the bits and pieces they assert.

Nobody seems to be able to see it as a complete large system that therefore needs the full extent of boundaries mapped out.

Michael Hoffman, the Egodeath theorist
Group: egodeath Message: 6553 From: egodeath Date: 31/12/2014
Subject: Re: Condemning vs. elevating & comprehending religion
You must map the system of iron block universe determinism and its no-free-will, as a system, SYSTEMATICALLY, to religious myth fully, as I have done, before you can perceive and define the model which is being debated.
Group: egodeath Message: 6554 From: egodeath Date: 31/12/2014
Subject: Re: Condemning vs. elevating & comprehending religion
Stop seeing these as 10 separate discussions:
ahistoricity of religious founder figures
religious origins
no free will
block universe determinism
multi-worlds / philosophy of spacetime physics
reformed theology
religious myth
metaphor and analogy
entheogens
nonduality

These are all wide-ranging fields with many areas that don’t connect across fields, but we must focus on those areas of these fields which do connect across fields.

No one within any of these artificially separated fields seems to be making any attempt to do that.

No one is aware that these fields have a common center that interconnects them all.

We are made to be blind and not interdisciplinary, until this is revealed in flexible loose cognition.

— Michael Hoffman, the interdisciplinary Egodeath theorist
Group: egodeath Message: 6555 From: egodeath Date: 31/12/2014
Subject: Re: Condemning vs. elevating & comprehending religion
Elaine Pagels’ first book strives to cut apart and deny the connection or sameness of the free will debate versus predestination of salvation debate. She simply asserts that these are separate discussion topics and accuses people of conflating these topics that are (she states) simply separate as if unrelated topics.

That is the strikingly strange thing about her dance that she does, some kind of church-politicized project she does within her first book. She never explicitly defends or explains why, according to her, these aren’t the identical same topic.


In separate books, Timothy Freke asserts no free will, entheogens at the origins of religion including our own religion, and ahistoricity of Jesus in Christian origins, but his publisher for the Jesus Mysteries book refused to permit more than one controversial topic within the book.

But you cannot have a real revolution in only one field when all 10 of these fields are actually interconnected at their core. All you can have is abortive fragments of a revolution of thinking.

M hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 6556 From: egodeath Date: 31/12/2014
Subject: Re: Condemning vs. elevating & comprehending religion
The Jesus Mysteries discussion group, and a Gnosticism discussion group, refused to allow us to discuss the entheogen theory of religion

These supposedly alternative, supposedly revolutionary discussion groups, were intolerant of a revolution involving more than one controversial topic connected together or chained together, as if a liability.

It may be a short-term liability, but it is a long-term strength, to propose radical changes within 10 fields instead of within only one field.

People who discuss prominent important ahistoricity scholars that you should pay attention to, see my work as a burden and a liability, because not only do I want you to accept one controversial proposal, I demand that you accept 10 controversial proposals at the same time in tandem:
visionary plants in our own religious origins
ahistoricity of Paul, church fathers, Jesus, Moses, Buddha, and Mohammed
iron block universe determinism and no free will
extreme hyper-Calvinism with God as the author of evil, God as the author of rebellion against God
nonexistence of eternal conscious torment (ECT) punishment-hell and reward-heaven
legalization and purity of all psychoactive drugs; not merely harm reduction but a positive valuation of use

I want people in each of these scary fields to add 10 other scary fields together, so people have reason to write me out of history. For the ahistoricty field, I am an extra burden and embarrassment because I also assert drugs in general and in both our general Greco-Roman cultural origins and in our own specific religious Christian origin.

Truth, which no one wants, in one field or in ten fields at the same time: adolescents seek initiation per Greek myth of youths, maidens, beards therefore the audience is adolescents in antiquity.

Mixed wine was not for children, but for adolescents, to turn the boy into an man in the rites of anthropologists’ savage races’ cultures and in our own cultural history.

Hermann Detering put a disclaimer regarding drugs on his links to his summarization work that I edited and formatted at my site. Each of the 11 fields must add 10 disclaimers when linking to my work!

Furthermore I am aligned with the Internet; I am the one known as Some Guy On The Internet (this is a huge topic in itself now), which threatens the old-guard establishment, print-based reigning orthodoxy.

M hoffman
Group: egodeath Message: 6557 From: egodeath Date: 31/12/2014
Subject: Re: Condemning vs. elevating & comprehending religion
Current expectations for books and audiences are: broad (within that field), shallow, and singlefield.

The Egodeath theory in each field is smaller in scope within that field, deep in comprehension and profundity, and interdisciplinary.

My contributions in the field of ahistoricity are greater than Doherty or any other SINGLE-FIELD THINKER, in some ways. In multiple ways, I have contributed to advance each of 10 fields in ways other writers have not,
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