Content:
Outline of Episode
Max Freakout and Cyber Disciple discuss their reasons for collaborating on the Transcendent Knowledge Podcast.
- The uptake of a radical new paradigm
- The various established explanatory paradigms within popular psychedelia
- The psychotherapy model of entheogen use
- New Age nonduality theories such as Martin Ball’s entheological paradigm, and its limitations
- Neuroscientific studies of entheogens such as recent research from Robin Carhart-Harris
- Physicalist and idealist perspectives on entheogens
- Different versions of no-freewill
- Altered state revision of implicit assumption frameworks
- Psychedelics as “assumption revealers”
- Plato’s cave allegory and its application to altered state phenomenology
- The effect of the altered state on ancient Greek culture
- Interpreting classical literature in light of altered state dynamics
- Carl Ruck’s writing on ancient culture and entheogens
- Minimal, moderate and maximal theories of entheogen history
- Botanical identification of entheogenic plants in ancient culture
- Various writers in entheogenic history of religion such as Scott Teitsworth, Clark Heinrich, Dan Merkur and Gordon Wasson
- Academic self-reinforcing feedback loops and resistance to radical paradigm revision
- Limitations of John Allegro’s entheogenic theory of Christianity
- Luther Martin’s book ‘Hellenistic religion’ which emphasises heimarmene as a key concern of ancient religion
- Over-emphasis on Eleusis in academic writings on ancient mystery religions
- Michael Rinella’s book ‘Pharmakon’
- The entheogen-diminishing strategy of relegating entheogens to footnotes and introductions
- The importance of placing entheogens front and centre in historical study
- Luke Timothy Johnson’s entheogen diminishment in his writing/speaking on Christianity
- William Alston’s book on religious experiencing ‘Perceiving God’
- Alston’s concept of ‘over-riders’ which invalidate religious experiences
- Tom Hatsis’ writings on entheogen history and witchcraft
- The distinction between Michael Hoffman’s writing style and the theoretical content of the ego death theory
- Academic scholarship vs. Internet scholaship
- Blindness to prohibitionist assumptions among drug policy reform activists
- Hatsis’ dismissal of entheogen theory of Christianity
- Hatsis’ study of scolpolamine plants in ancient witchcraft practises
- Drug policy reform activism and outrageous anti-drugs propaganda
Commentary Posting
My Commentary posting
From: egodeath
Date: 2016-08-02
Subject: Re: Transcendent Knowledge podcast commentary
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/12/13/egodeath-yahoo-group-digest-160/#message8445
Paradigms to Add to the List of Paradigms
- Ayahuasca shamanism
- Ayahuasca Christian churches
- Psychedelic Quantum Physics
Possible “paradigms” that aren’t included in the list of paradigms in Transcendent Knowledge Podcast, Episode 3
Ayahuasca shamanism and Ayahuasca Christian churches
http://google.com/search?q=Ayahuasca+shamanism+and+Ayahuasca+Christian+churches
http://google.com/search?q=Ayahuasca+shamanism+Christian+church
There is much in common with the Egodeath theory and Ayahuasca Christian churches.
I’m focused for various strategic reasons on amplifying or fully continuing the traditional mushroom Eucharist.
Amplify and fully continue the traditional mushroom Eucharist.
the traditional mushroom Eucharist
http://www.heroic-adventures.com/ayahuasca-ceremonies-usa/
“Interesting Discussion on Legality of Ayahuasca in the USA
In the Fall of 2015, a website popped up touting the First Ayahuasca Church in the USA that is open for ceremonies to anyone. … After this article [ http://www.bialabate.net/news/dont-believe-the-hype-about-the-legal-ayahuasca-usa-church-going-around-facebook-its-not-legal-its-dangerous-and-heres-why ] was published detailing why this church is not legal … A curious story in the world of spirituality, religious rights, internet marketing, and law. (updated December 08, 2015)”
Psychedelic Quantum Physics
http://google.com/search?q=Psychedelic+Quantum+Physics
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=psychedelic+quantum+physics
— Michael Hoffman, Egodeath.com
/ end copy of post re: episode 3; end commentary on ep 3
Start of Podcast
0:00
Ruck’s Self-Contradiction: Entheogens Were Ubiquitous and Secret
57:00
Episode 3, 57:00 todo: polish this transcription & add to Episode 3 Commentary page:
Max: “But the more that Ruck pushes in that direction of broadening the scope of where you can identify entheogens, the more that his overall picture starts to look like a blatant self-contradiction, because what he’s saying is, absolutely everybody everywhere knew about entheogens and was tripping, but it was all kept- it was all a secret, and nobody really knew about it — but you know, which one of those is true?”
1:13:06
Missing from entheogen history books is,
grasp of the cognitive phenomenology of the dynamics of the altered state, about personal control power, peak climax seizure during transformation of the mental worldmodel from possibilism to eternalism. Here I am virgin abd’d and made to climax by the god, wrestling with an angel demanding a blessing, and the trained certified clinicians don’t know what to do about the lion-headed snake monster that I created by acting on my own initiative without a higher partner.
Hellenistic Religions
Luther H Martin
http://amzn.com/019504391X
covers Christianity, Gnosticism, Isis, Mithras. No Eleusis.
The Revolution of the Footnotes
Suppressing entheogens from the topic of fatedness in Mystery Religions. Reductionism/narrowing the field.
Martin does the old “bury entheogens in the footnote underworld” of the disallowed ideas — try to steer very much still-living ideas down to hide in the underworld for eternity.
Antiquity per Mystery Religion was centrally concerned with reconciling individual with fated universe.
Paradigm shift, per the New Theory — Need to move all the footnotes together, to the main text.
1:16:00
flip from the micro-revelation of entheogens — just say
the maximal entheogen theory of religion
force of ignorance tries to relevant ideas that would shatter the current messy paradigm, ban the ideas — COVER-UP the ideas by covering them safely in the first page footnote.
THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE RAMBLING OF SOME GUY ON A DRUG TRIP.
Luke Timothy Johnson, page 1 footnote/ introductory remark
1:21:00
Reminds me of Wasson’s reporting of “the celerity with which the art historians all recognized the problem of a zillion mushroom trees in Christian art and how very speedily the professional trained art experts blurted forth the trained correct cover-story.”
Wasson’s argument from Speediness of the Trained-Dog Art Professionals.
How fast can YOU blurt forth the approved cover-story for The Elephant in the Room Problem, the all-too-well-known problem, of a damned lot of mushrooms all over Christian art?
Yes we know, it’s nothing new
It’s just Italian pine
We have no need, for mushroom trees
The world is doing fine
Covert subtext of what Hatsis isn’t saying is more interesting than the info on the surface level, a paradigm clash between the official academic paradigm vs. the internet
1:29:30
Hatsis’ disparaging style academic disparaging of online, is an argument from authority.
Beware, the thought-distorting force, the imagination-killing force, of academic conformity.
The social conditions in academia are strongly influenced by prohibitionist culture.
Prohibitionist university, prohibiting forbidden ideas.
The academic paradigm that Hatsis tries to align with, are prohibitionist. academia tries to make Hatsis align with their prohibitionist presuppositions.
invisible prohibitionist assumptions, even affect (eg those doing entheogen scholarship as done wit conducted with unconscious obstacles to pop psych understanding, prhibotiionist ways mental ity creeps into modern thinking re religion spiry entheogns, is colored by unnotisicsde prohbitionist assumptions eg Hatsis criticizing Irvin re mushrooms in Christianity. a critique based in “no evidence”, “we can apply magic mistor historical methods” – he donesn’t
what counts as eveidence, that what counts as evidence is so influenced the p the prohibitionist mindset.
the Egodeath theory tells how to notice things about your thinking
“Hatsis is unaware of those aspects of his thinking.
1:34:20
“Hatsis’ dividing out of the playground, he puts Irvin over in a corner,
“It’s tempting to critique Hatsis’ personal style.
Cyberdisciple has a copy, d/k if he read it, of Witches Ointment.
1:42:45
The paradigms the major thouhght conglomerations of thoughts and ideas in the Pop Sike paradigm, did we miss any?
- Psychotherapy
- Doblin, emotion, network of psychaistrists, ptsd treatment, emotional issues
- Neuroscience
- C Harris
- Psychedelic Newage Spirituality
- Martin Ball
- nonduality, energy [energy vibrations -mh] – What, you don’t believe in energy vibrations, what are you, Anti-Science?
- Entheogen scholarship of religion and mythology
- historical anthropological mythical theory, entheogens in historical context, talking about religion and mythology in entheogenic terms
- anti-Prohibition activism, pop sike conferences
- highlights crucial assumptions
More Paradigms
- Ayahuasca shamanism
- Ayahuasca Christian churches
- Psychedelic Quantum Physics
- overlaps w/ Psychedelic Newage
core assumptions eg bad trips as an embarrassment, they have to steer around, they don’t want to admit freakout panic attack. assumption that prohibition is good-faith motivated by good intentions
They = anti-Prohibition activists who are ignorant of analogical psychedelic eternalism & furies and self-threatening driving mental model transformation when the awareness is pulled lifted up out from egoic mental structuring and experiential mode, per Egodeath theory; abduction, trembling in light of seeing higher perspective on self-control limits;
Call the bluff of the prohbitionists, expose their falsehoods instead of unconscsiously conforming your thinking to unconscious presuppositions systemic.
1:55:00
An Attractive Theory, Attracting Sailors to Crash on the Rocks and Die
19:00
19*60 = 1140s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykgeO6CD6RM&t=1140s
ominous word-choice Cyberdisciple : 19:00 —
Cyb: “show them how they can move closer to the Egodeath theory, why the Egodeath theory is a more attractive option than the current paradigms, intellectually speaking, just for coherence and for providing the fullest model of what goes on in the altered state.”
What goes on in the altered state is:
The mind gets pulled, attracted, and sucked-into testing and probing and demonstrating the vulnerability to seizure and cancellation of control; the control-loss dynamic:
“’cause that’s really what has drawn us to it; there’s nothing that really compares to the depth of explanation; that actually, pushing through towards the ego death, and not trying to skate around the outside and use psychedelics for some other purpose.”
Max: 21:10 — “whereas the Egodeath theory is really putting all the focus basically onto the control-loss dynamic and ego death experience which is not a pleasant glowy thing.”
Portentious: Cyberdisciple is trying to scare the sh*t out of people in the altered state by sending them secret veiled suggestive messages communicating to YOU (me?) yes YOU: as every Phil Dick candy-wrapper thing you encounter is conspiring to pull you into the vortex center of the control-seizure sacrificial labyrinth where the bull-man eats and sacrifices the child.
Being One with the Control Source Is More Amazing and Climactic and Profound Than Martin Balls’s Stupid Mere Spatial Being One with the Chair
23:00
Max: “missing the point. not the most interesting dynamic. the greater threat is that you’re one with the source of control thoughts. the trap of trying to have nonduality and spiritual transformation but retaining freewill and egoic consciousness as being fully real.
“In the pop bad model, of Martin Ball’s “nondual unity oneness awareness” model of what ego transcendence is about, my ability to choose my future is still fully real.
“vs per the Egodeath theory’s model, in which: to realize oneness is oneness with the ultimate control source, as a problematic control-source situation; so I as separate ego am not able to, I don’t have effectively causal power over my future, in light of this control-source above & behind me”.
26:31 The Nonduality of Your Control-Thoughts with the Source of all thoughts, Is The Real Actual Climactic Point – more scary threatening and profound than spatial connectedness. my ability to trust the ultimate control source, and whether i can trust it, whether I’m compelled to trust it, what would happen if I don’t trust it, it’s those kind of issues that really bring the raw power of psychedelic experiencing. ” – max
Revolution of the Footnotes
1:15:00
entheogens are buried in the “Not” underworld.
Footnote at bottom of page 1: “Religious mythology is NOT description-by-analogy of repeatedly taking psychedelics, producing transformation of the experiential mental worldmodel from literalist ordinary-state possibility-branching to analogical psychedelic pre-existence.”
End of Podcast
1:57:29
Orig the Egodeath Yahoo Group Posts of Commentary
digest 151 (not uploaded yet)
| Group: egodeath | Message: 7856 | From: egodeath | Date: 06/06/2016 |
| Subject: Re: Transcendent Knowledge podcast |
| Episode 3, 14:30 I advised MAPS to have a website. I have a Post-It Note from Cynthia around 1993 that reads like “Thank you for letting us know about the World Wide Web, I’ll look into getting a web site.” I plan to upload a pic. I was doing alot of hypertext system research 1989-1992, pre-Web. I helped Martin Ball get into Podcasting. After the 2007 interview by Max Freakout, I spoke with Ball on the phone about podcasting. — Michael Hoffman |
The Egodeath theory 
