Position Dance – In what way did the Church Affirm Mushrooms? In what way did the Church Deny Mushrooms?

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when I talk about the Maximal/Normalcy theory vs the Moderate[sometimes slips to Minimal]/Suppression theory, I am talking about specifically within the Church, as Jerry Brown articulates in the conclusion of the 2019 article.

we are talking about within the church, not just within Christendom.

What are the positions of the different entheogen scholars regarding the church, within the church, affirming vs denying mushrooms?

Affirm = Maximal/Normalcy = Cybermonk & Brown

Deny = Moderate[often slipping to Minimal]/Suppression = Ott McKenna Allegro

Hatsis alone says the Church neither affirmed nor denied mushrooms, because nobody ever used mushrooms; nobody ever thought about mushrooms; there were no mushrooms in Christendom; – and there were no Psilocybin mushrooms in England before 1975, as Andy lecture pretty much practically says, and Hatsis has written me that that that “the shape of liberty cap is anachronistic in Europe during Christian history” – whatever the fck that means ha ha 😅

Does this book say that within the church, the church affirmed mushrooms, or that the church within the church denied mushrooms – within the normal, ordinary mainstream, regular church; the kind of religion that counts.

did Church affirm or deny psilocybin🍄? what is your answer?

I’ll have to read the reviews and maybe I will remember if I have read this book. Brown praises this book as I think narrow historical evidence of altarpieces and Brown calls John Rush not historical Scholarship and Young John Rush describes himself as using some historical scholarship so I don’t know I think that Jerry Brown here is just parroting Hatsis’ bogus claims and posturing as if Hatsis has any credibility on this particular field of history, which he doesn’t because he’s so ignorant

We can pretty much bank on and be sure of Brown has flipped the bozo bit completely on Hatsis and no longer considered Hatsis as a relevant point of reference anymore.

(Depending on what I mean by point of reference ; that’s a separate subject I won’t get into, but it is often useful to refer to hatsas as a kind of negative point of reference; an example of how not to think or write or theorize.)

Hatsis very overestimates how well-read he is on mushrooms in Christianity, and overestimates his understanding and comprehension of what the questions are, and what Jerry Brown’s position is

Thomas Hatsis knows absolutely zero, perfectly purely unaware of my theory (analogical psychedelic eternalism, Maximal/Normalcy theory of msh in Greek & xy)

I don’t think he understands anything that I’ve ever written

hatsis just assumes that I am a carbon copy of the allegro broadener jan irvin just the same way that John Rush is kind of a carbon copy of Jan Irvin

And therefore Thomas Hatsis assumes that similarly, Jerry Brown must be a carbon copy of Jan Irvin,

and also Hatsis assumes and presupposes that my position must be the same thing as Jan Irvin.

Hatsis doesn’t bother reading my work and he doesn’t comprehend Jerry Brown, even though they’ve had debates together for it

as far as I’m concerned, I consider hatsis to have very low Comprehension

Hatsis has too low of comprehension to contribute to this field Of mushrooms in Christianity

just because he thinks…

he assumes he is an expert because he has studied Scopolamine, but then he opens his mouth and talks about mushrooms and reveals abysmal ignorance and extreme overconfidence,

Such as hatsis’ conflation of the word Mushroom & the word Amanita,

and his totally inarticulate mumbling about Psilocybe “liberty cap Shape is anachronistic” 😵

that is just gibberish, that is a sorry pathetic excuse for scholarship, what he has written to me about Psilocybe being anachronistic and that “anachronism: you guys have a big problem” (meaningless undefined inarticulate wording). Translation he has given this exactly 0 thought which is good news: he has no where to go from here but up.

he just falls on his face, so bad, total ignorance, complete lack of imagination, for a so-called fake “psychedelic witch”, poser.

and until he gains a broader more solid comprehension he’s going to produce Scholarship that’s more confusing than anything confused mess. he can’t even articulate his own position on these matters.

There is a big chance and high likelihood that Thomas Hatsis will develop his knowledge about mushrooms in Christianity from perfect zero which he has now to actually bringing something of substance, instead of his total abysmal ignorance and extreme narrowness of thinking, restricted to the mental cage defined by John Allegro, Which Jan irvin broadens and John rush perpetuates too much

The productive questions to ask to define presuppositions and positions are:

1) Are there millions of mushroom imagery in mainstream Christian art?

such as cathedrals and in the church inside of the church; I mean inside of the normal church: in Cathedral windows and in illuminated manuscripts and the word Eucharist equals exact synonym of the word Psilocybe and Mushrooms, in Texts

2) did the church affirm or deny Mushrooms

and this is a question that I need to develop and that all of us badly urgent-

this is what the number one question that we all need to analyze much more carefully than before

and browns conclusion of his book and article definitely the Article presents this question

in what way did the church affirm Mushrooms and in what way did the church also deny Mushrooms

in the 2019 article by Brown the psychedelic Gospels, Brown tries to distance himself in someway as being more critical than John rush and

I don’t like how Jerry Brown says positive things about Carl rock, the book the effluents of deity, which I know nothing about and I have not read and I am filled with suspicion that it is yet another book by the coral rock gang that emphasizes the absence of mushrooms from the church

but anyway the productive outcome of this my attempt to critique Brown and I tried to set up a spectrum of positions and it is not working very well because my spectrum of positions is not asking the right questions to divide and position the scholars in a useful meaningful way

so I need to abandon the spectrum idea that I began this posting where I tried to put John rush on top and Carl rock on the bottom and then I describe Brown is trying to get close to the bottom where Carl rock lives.

My analysis there was not very successful because there are presuppositions which are shared, and self-contradictions which are shared, by both John rush and Carl Ruck committee.

When you ask the correct two questions, we can see how the true groupings truly break out and Jerry Brown is trying to act like there’s a big difference between Carl rock versus John rush

but Ruck and Rush take the self-contradictory view did the church had mushrooms and did not have mushrooms, that the church asserted mushrooms and denied mushrooms at the same time

These positions are tricky to differentiate but and

sometimes those differentiations are false differences that are illusions of there being a difference, when there is not really a difference in position. and we can see how very much is shared among these different positions but we do need to work hard to find what bad Fallacy is shared among apparently similar positions and

it’s so hard to keep my point highlighted at the top of the page

I’m talking about how it’s bad it’s bad that Jerry Brown tries to be buddies with the stupid Carl Ruck gang who tries to deny the strong presence of a Mushrooms in Religion

and it’s bad that Jerry Brown tries to distance himself from the guys who speak the truth which is John Irving and John rush

the positioning of Jerry Brown is in error if he tries to put his position close to the bad Carl rock committee & the evil M. Hoffman

this is strange because you would think that coral rock strongly asserts the positive existence of mushrooms and Jerry Brown praises him and then the young Irvin John Rush second edition also asserts Mushroom so you would be puzzled why I place coral rock as a minimalist asserting the minimal Mushroom theory of Christianity and why I place Jan Irvin and John rush as advocating G Maximal Mushroom Theory of Religion

how can Carl rock and John Rush be at opposite ends of the spectrum?

both of them assert Mushrooms in Christianity don’t they?

and I am severely criticizing Jerry Brown for trying to place himself near the evil coral rock the minimal Theory

and I criticize Jerry Brown for trying to distance himself trying to distance himself from the John Rush Maximal Mushroom Theory of Christianity

and I say that Carl rock and Committee gang Hoffman are bad , because they advocate the false, mushroom-deleting Minimal/ Suppression theory.

Hatsis says that the church did not suppress mushrooms, And there are no mushrooms in the church and there are no mushrooms in Christianity

In sharp contrast, Hatsis’ opponent Carl Ruck says that the big bad church tried to suppress mushrooms, and so does John rush tell the same immature sob story self-defeating, as Carl Ruck and Jonathan Ott and Terence McKenna

My analysis here reveals points of agreement and points of disagreement all of.. therefore

we must define two questions, to to have a sword to cut the parties to these multiple positions

we need to ask them questions which will sort them into categories

are there 1 billion Mushrooms in Christian art yes or no

Hatsis says no, Ruck says yes but no, Brown & Rush & Cybermonk says yes,

did the church eliminate Mushrooms yes or no

brown says no, hatsis says no bc no msh, mck says totally, ott says totally i think it seems, irvin tries to emphasize yes (no but yes)

so we see a frequent recurrence of self-contradiction even among the Ardent Advocates Irvin Rush: even they very much push the self-contradiction, and so they are kind of close to Carl Ruck:

both John Rush and Carl Ruck , who I am attempting and failing to put them at opposite ends of the spectrum, because both of them adhere to the Minimal/Suppression paradigm/assumption/ presupposition.

vs Maximal/Normalcy dogma/ hypoth/ expl fwk/ paradigm/ theory/ presupposition

try another question leveraging one of my most successful ideas which I use these two words in my announcement of the Maximal an Entheogens Theory in 2002 I use the words normal normalcy Suppressed and Suppression as the driving paradigms

Which scholars adhere to the normalcy paradigm and which scholars adhere to the suppression paradigm and then look how Brown positions himself with relation to John Rush/Irvin versus with relation to Carl Ruck Committee

Letcher Hatsis vs Jan Rush vs Carl Hoffman vs Cyber Brown: battle of tangled different positions

as i joke “Letcher Hatsis “, so may I joke “Jan Rush”, and “Carl Hoffman”, because you cannot differentiate these two writers

if I show you a passage, there’s no way that you can tell whether the first guy or the second guy wrote the passage, because they use the identical arguments and presuppositions

Entheogen scholar CyberBrown

My writing on this topic field can’t be differentiated from Jerry Browns, because both of us agree on the presupposition forming our paradigm that 1) yes there are 1 billion Mushrooms in Christian church and 2) no the church did not suppress mushrooms; the church affirmed mushrooms

Did the church assert mushrooms or deny Mushrooms

Then

they all, crybabies, falsely say that the church simply suppressed and removed all mushrooms – which is just false and terrible, terrible falsehood, extremely harmful

The title of this webpage alludes to the title of a couple episodes ago of the Egodeath Mystery show

we’re talking about the struggle for different entheogen scholars to define their position in relation to the positions of others scholars

I have a single small little point motivating this webpage as I listen to my voice recording talking about the passage in the article by Brown 2019

the psychedelic Gospels in the Journal of Psychedelics studies, online became available September 2019 special Issue on History world religions Psychedelics

Brown bad talks irvin and rush the ardent advocates he tries to artificially distance himself and exaggerate the difference between himself versus the Ardent and Advocates to try to push his view down to the level of coral rock

and then he praises in the next paragraph he praises Carl rock

unfortunately I couldn’t be troubled to read rocks boring failure stupid frustrating disappointing book called the affluence Effluents of deity

I pretty much throw an Carl Ruck in the river

I will read probably read aloud the book reviews of the book the Effluents of Deity by Carl Ruck Committee

and I expect them to do the usual which they excel at and brown praises them and he tries to side with the man move up to them and approach them Dr. Brown tries to be buddies with the coral rock week feeble compromisers who he praises them as being good solid historical scholarship but my complaint about them is that they always strive to isolate and emphasize how isolated and how rare psycho

psychedelics are now deviant and abnormal they are and how even when they’re in the church they’re only in secret Suppressed which in a capacity role of secret suppressed

then I would read their book The Effluents of Deity with the forthcoming mentality which I’m going to present and develop the question of:

how can we say with Terence McKenna and Jonathan Ott that the big bad church completely eliminated all 100% stamped out mushrooms and they were against mushrooms

but I agree instead with Thomas Hatsis and Jerry Brown

that we can prove the story which turns McKenna tries to tell and the defeatist story which Jonathan Ott tries to tell must be extremely wrong and false even maliciously self-defeating way of deleting all of the mushrooms from our religion

it’s kind of evil claiming that our religion has no mushrooms

what a lie terrible lie, terrible Strategy awful lie

boo! boo!

McCanna caused terrible harm and Jonathan Ott, too; he should know better

he’s causing terrible, terrible harm by his defeatist negative negativity

deleting all the mushrooms from our art , when all the evidence shows the very opposite, as Dr. Brown points out

and as Carl Ruck committee half points out and half denies, self contradicts himself

the evidence shows that there was 1 billion zillion boatloads of mushrooms everywhere all throughout Christian art

so Ott & the crybaby Infantile immature self-defeating liar harmful person Terence McKenna, how can you claim – You can eliminate all mushrooms from our history, that you have successfully deleted all the Psilocybin and Amanita mushrooms from our Christian history, by falsely claiming that the big bad church institution has completely removed and completely suppressed mushrooms

and I agree with Hatsis on this particular point, did the church did not suppress mushrooms – except that we have to make that point in a careful, nuanced way

Hatsis wrongly says

1) the church did not suppress mushrooms

2) there are no mushrooms in the church

his point number two is extremely false obviously.

I agree with his point number one and so does Jerry Brown agrees with his point number one

this is the point of agreement between us ardent advocates- well that is the consistent if they were to be consistent, the Ardent Advocates (irvin, rush, egodeath.com) would agree with Thomas Hatsis that the church did not simply suppress mushrooms

but we need 1 million times more sophisticated accounting

in what way did the church affirm mushrooms and in what way did the church deny mushrooms

it is not cut and dry all or nothing, like the immature first generation of intelligent Scholars falsely tried to take an all or nothing approach

and Jonathan ott what’s your excuse

Jonathan Ott what is your excuse for your total ignorance about the tons and tons of mushrooms all packed throughout Christian Art?!

Jonathan’s book the angels dictionary and the farmer Cratic inquisition

and even the same immature sob story negative defeatism and self defeat is conducted by Jan Irvin in his book Astro theology and shamanism tries to sell the same lie that there’s no mushrooms in Christian Art at the same time as he tries to show that there is mushrooms in Christian art

that the big bad church eliminated all mushrooms, and the proof of that is these million mushrooms all throughout Christian art