See also my newer page:
11-Factors Questionnaire with All 13 Groups of All 66 OAV Effects Questions Shown
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/12/30/11-factors-questionnaire-with-all-13-groups-of-all-66-effects-questions-shown/
The 11-Factors Psychedelics Effects Questionnaire with All 13 Categories, All 66 Effects Questions, and Both Category Levels Shown in a Complete Hierarchy Tree (Studerus 2010).
SEE https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2930851/bin/pone.0012412.s001.pdf
APV had its version 2 (OAV) which had 3 categories.
11-Factors has not only 11 categories, but in effect, 2 additional categories at that level, and, 2 high-level categories:
- “Unpleasant Experiences” (identical to OAV’s Angst/Dread dimension).
- “Pleasant Experiences” (identical to OAV’s Oceanic+Visionary dimensions).
Find “pleasant” in Studerus 2010 for two spots discussing the two high-level categories.
Article: Psychometric Evaluation of the Altered States of Consciousness Rating Scale (OAV) – defines 11 not 3 categs
“Psychometric Evaluation of the Altered States of Consciousness Rating Scale (OAV)”
Erich Studerus, Alex Gamma, and Franz X. Vollenweider, 2010
url https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2930851/#pone.0012412-Dittrich3
I just read that article that proposed replacing those 3 categories by 11 smaller categories.
you can tell by the name of it that the version 3 (“5D…”) does not use 3 categories, it uses 5 categories. Adds “vigilance reduction” (VIR) and “auditory alterations” (AUA), which add 28 fx:
Math check:
v2 = OAV 66 fx
v2 = 5D-ASC 94 fx
66 + 28 = 94 ✅
therefore if you start with the 5D’s five categories of psychedelic effects, and then replace 3 of those categories (the 3 from the v2 = OAV) by the proposed more granular breakout of 11 categories, you would then have 11+2 = 13 categories.
I have no idea whether this idea of 11 categories replacing the original three was carried forward, or is popular.
“Future studies must clarify whether the common variance between the 28 items that are unique to the 5D-ASC is sufficiently well explained by the two hypothesized factors “vigilance reduction” (VIR) and “auditory alterations” (AUA).
“Since we have shown that the OBN [oceanic boundlessness], DED [dread of ego dissolution] and VRS [visionary restructuralization] scales can be split into many reliable and valid subscales, it is conceivable that the same could be done with the VIR and AUA scales.”
I believe that the 11 categories that are proposed for the version 2 (OAV) to replace the 3 categories would be carried forward into the 5D scheme (simply ignore the added distinct new categories of “auditory” and the other one).
I think that all fits with the article that I just read about the 11 proposed categories that article does discuss both the older OAV and the newer 5D questionnaires and explains why they don’t use the 5D.
These 11 categories would apply to both the V2 (OAV) and the V3 (5D).
Very good view of 11 standardized (or, proposed to become the standardized) categories of the 66 standard altered-state effects – negative then positive. Containing the 66* OAV questionnaire questions about altered state effects.
todo: List those OAV 66* questions here.
*Roland Griffiths’ CEQ article page 4 says that the 5DASC questionnaire (which is version three of APV; OAV is v2) contains 94 effects questions, not 66.
confirmed:
v1= APV in 1975
v2 = OAV lists 66 fx/q’s
v3 = 5D-ASC lists 94 fx/q’s in 1999
Terminology
the word scale means a set of questions/ effects
the word subscale means a subset of questions / effects
the word item means question or altered state effect
Article: “Psychometric Evaluation of the Altered States of Consciousness Rating Scale (OAV)”
that diagram is analyzed by the 2010 article which I have just read and comprehended:
url https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2930851/#!po=74.7863
I read and comprehended that article now while creating potential podcast voice recordings with e-guitar.
I found that good numbered list of the 66 questions that = OAV, although I think that the five dimensional other version of the survey has a superset of these questions so i rather want that. todo –
“Although the newest version of Dittrich’s ASC rating scales (ie, the 5D-ASC) contains 94 items, this study has only analyzed the 66 items that it shares with the second newest version (ie, the OAV).
“Future studies must clarify whether the common variance between the 28 items that are unique to the 5D-ASC is sufficiently well explained by the two hypothesized factors “vigilance reduction” (VIR) and “auditory alterations” (AUA).
“Since we have shown that the OBN, DED and VRS scales can be split into many reliable and valid subscales, it is conceivable that the same could be done with the VIR and AUA scales.”
that’s what I need to still look up later
but for now here is a great list of the 66 questions about altered State experiences.
the emphasis and purpose of this article is the establish new categories of questions, which I’m not very interested at all on the categories of questions, although
I am interested in their bad-foundation claim that mystical experiences are exclusively positive, per Stace who provides the false foundation of this entire massive statistical analysis exercise
it’s all the interpretation of it is all Bunk’d because it misconceived exactly as Charles Stang accused Roland Griffiths
we build all of this house on the foundation of sand, falsely claiming that mystical experiences are exclusively positive.
must link here to the Stace list of positive-only mystic expc. todo.
“Psychometric Evaluation of the Altered States of Consciousness Rating Scale (OAV)”
The article link is above, which I read and comprehended just now.
Erich Studerus, Alex Gamma, and Franz X. Vollenweider , 2010
Motivation for this posting
I found an article proposing to break out the OAV’s altered state questions/ effects into a set of 11 rather than a set of three groups.
I don’t know how influential this 11-category breakout is, but here’s a great view of the 11 categs and especially the 66 OAV questions/ effects.
This is the best clearest presentation that I found so far of the hypotheses
ALL of these questionaires, all of these categorizations of the APZ orig q’s make the fatal error underlying all of the statistical analysis about sets of questions about altered state effects
they put the entire thing on a bad basis of Stace’s description of mystical experiences which are exclusively positive, and therefore if you have a negative Psilocybin experience, it is – by a bad definition – “not a mystical experience”.
This set of 11 categories of altered state affects replaces the earlier overly broad set of only three effects that didn’t work very well when they attempted to divide the effects into the two positive categories and one negative effect category called
The 3 Old, Bad Categories
dread of ego dissolution (DED) – A huge set of questions about effects about helpless marionette loss of control and dragon attack 🐉 no control of will
oceanic boundlessness (OBN) – A too-small set of questions.
visionary restructuralization (VRS) – A too-small set of questions.
The 11 New, Good Categories
Negative:
anxiety
impaired control and cognition
Positive:
Audio-Visual synesthesia
vivid imagery
Elementary visual alterations
blissful state
insightfulness
religious experience
experience of unity
changed meaning of percepts
disembodiment
/ end of the 11 new categories of altered-state effects — scope = OAV q’s
why is voice dictation not able to pick up the most clear and elementary words 😤
The 66 OAV Questions
todo
The Egodeath theory 