Dread of Ego Dissolution (DED) Dimension of OAV & 5D-ASC, Ego Dissolution Inventory (EDI), Mystical Experiences Questionnaire (MEQ) from SOCQ

Michael Hoffman, December 22, 2022 7:33 am UTC+0

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Unscientific, Non-Existent “Scientific” Questionnaires – Black Magic Posing as Science

Why are these questionnaire specifications unavailable, yet they claim to be scientific? Cough it up!

How come Griffiths has access to an OAV or 5D and a SOCQ and a HRS specification of these, and yet, they are impossible to obtain on the Web in 2022?

We must see the categories (including G-ASC General) in English, and the list of questions in each category, including Dittrich’s OAV or 5D-ASC question #54 which is allegedly sometimes in the Dread dimension, but sometimes not: “I was afraid to lose my self-control.”

What Ever Happened to Dittrich’s Dread Question 54, “I was afraid to lose my self-control”?

This section is a Dec. 27, 2022 Update: Big Question.

p 4 CEQ article:

The 13 (or 17???) items of the 5DASC that constitute the ICC and ANX sub-scales were retained for the initial item pool for the CEQ.”

What happened to Studerus’ Figure S1 tree hierarchy question within factor (category) Anxiety:

“54. I was afraid to lose my self-control“

Usually Studerus omits it. Are there 9 questions, or 7, in the Anxiety category?

Sciencey Bafflegab Glossary

item = question.
scale = set of questions.
sub-scale = set of questions.

Typical “item” within a “sub-scale”:

Question 0. Did you experience the threat of catastrophic loss of control? ___

were there any dragons involved?? 🐉

The “Dread of Ego Dissolution” (DED) Dimension’s Items

5. I felt like a marionette.

16. I had difficulty making even the smallest decision.

24. I had difficulty in distinguishing important from unimportant things.

33. I felt as though I were paralyzed.

44. I felt isolated from everything and everyone.

45. I was not able to complete a thought, my thought repeatedly became disconnected.

53. I had the feeling that I no longer had a will of my own.

19. I was afraid that the state I was in would last forever.

29. I was afraid without being able to say exactly why.

30. I experienced everything terrifyingly distorted.

32. I experienced my surroundings as strange and weird.

38. I felt threatened.

63. I had the feeling something horrible would happen.

The Research that was Required to Gather These Questions

The DED items were identified in 1985. Or at least the category of some of the 1975 APV items was identified, if not these items. In German.

The DED items were used to create OAV (Ocean/Dread/Visionary) questionnaire in 1994.

The DED items were divided into the “Impaired Control and Cognition” (ICC) + “Anxiety” (ANX) Factors in 2010.

The DED dimension has 13 items/ effects/ questions.

The DED dimension (“dread” = “anxiety”, the ‘A’ in the name “OAV”) was split up by Studerus 2010 into two “factors”:

  • “impaired cognition and control” (ICC) – 7 items/ effects/ questions
  • “anxiety” (ANX) – 6 items/ effects/ questions

Prayer: Jesus of the Web, please show me the DED questions in English.
Answered, one way or another:

Later findings: indirect answer: the DED “dimension” (id’d 1985, incorp’d in OAV 1994) was replaced in 2010 per Studerus by ICC+ANX “factors”.

So to back-derive what the list of DED questions must have been defined as by Dittman in 1985 (for APV) or 1994 (for OAV) or 2006 (for 5D-ASC), see the items/ effects/ questions in page 9, Studerus 2010.

I manually typed those in at page/section: https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/12/23/5d-asc-five-dimensional-altered-states-of-consciousness-questionnaire/#42-Psychedelic-Effects-Questions-in-11-Categories
I added the older DED dimension section heading into the outline of the 11 new 2010 “factor” sections:
Dread of Ego Dissolution (DED, AED)
and copied to above. This list of questions matches page 23 (final apx page) of 2016 Griffiths article about CEQ.

The “Dread of Ego Dissolution” (DED/AED) Dimension of the OAV & 5D-ASC Questionnaires

Dittrich’s Extracted DED questions, in German

3. Dittrich A. Stuttgart, Germany: Enke; 1985.
Ätiologie-unabhängige Strukturen veränderter Wachbewusstseinszustände. Ergebnisse empirischer Untersuchungen über Halluzinogene I. und II. Ordnung, sensorische Deprivation, hypnagoge Zustände, hypnotische Verfahren sowie Reizüberflutung
[Etiology-independent structures of altered states of consciousness. Results of empirical studies on hallucinogens of the first and second order, sensory deprivation, hypnagogic states, hypnotic procedures, and sensory overload]. 
[Google Scholar]

4. Dittrich, A . Berlin, Germany: VWB; 1996.
Ätiologie-unabhängige Strukturen veränderter Wachbewusstseinszustände.Ergebnisse empirischer Untersuchungen über Halluzinogene I. und II. Ordnung, sensorische Deprivation, hypnagoge Zustände, hypnotische Verfahren sowie Reizüberflutung
[Etiology-independent structures of altered states of consciousness. Results of empirical studies on hallucinogens of the first and second order, sensory deprivation, hypnagogic states, hypnotic procedures, and sensory overload]. [Google Scholar]

The Bad Trip questionnaire.

Lacks grief/ depression/ isolation according to CEQ article.

5-Dimensional Altered States of Consciousness Rating Scale (5D-ASC; 5DASC)

5D-ASC includes questions used to extract the Dread of Ego Dissolution (DED) dimension (sub-scale) in German, by Dittrich

5-Dimensional Altered States of Consciousness Rating Scale
extracted, I guess, by M. V. Uthaug, N. L. Mason, S. W. Toennes, et al
url https://bio-protocol.org/exchange/minidetail?type=30&id=10100707

Psychometric Evaluation of the Altered States of Consciousness Rating Scale (OAV)
Studerus et al 2010
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2930851/ –

“Dittrich [3], [4] determined three oblique primary and one secondary etiology-independent dimensions. The three primary dimensions were termed “oceanic boundlessness” (OBN), “dread of ego dissolution” (DED) and “visionary restructuralization” (VRS).

“The OBN scale basically includes items measuring positively experienced depersonalization and derealization, deeply-felt positive mood, and experiences of unity. High scores on the OBN scale therefore indicate a state similar to mystical experiences as described in the scientific literature on the psychology of religion (eg, see [20]).

“The DED scale includes items measuring negatively experienced derealization and depersonalization, cognitive disturbances, catatonic symptoms, paranoia, and loss of thought and body control. High scores on the DED scale therefore indicate a very unpleasant state similar to so called “bad trips” described by drug-users. “

“The VRS scale contains items measuring visual (pseudo)-hallucinations, illusions, auditory-visual synesthesiae, and changes in the meaning of percepts.

“APZ scales … several weaknesses were also recognized. For example, the binary item response format of the APZ was too crude to measure subtle alterations of consciousness.

“Furthermore, the OBN and VRS dimensions contained a relatively low number of items, and

“the conceptual breadth of the VRS dimension was considered too narrow. Bodmer et al. [5] therefore developed a psychometrically improved version called OAV. The abbreviation OAV stands for the German names of the three dimensions OBN, DED, and VRS.

“Because the OAV was supposed to measure the primary three dimensions of the APZ only, its item pool was primarily derived from 72 etiology-independent items of the APZ. However, the response format was changed from binary to visual analogue, several items were re-worded, some new items were introduced, and some items were completely dropped.

“The reformulation of items aimed not only at reducing cross-loadings, decreasing ambiguity, and enhancing ease of understanding, but also at widening the conceptual breadth of the OBN and VRS dimensions.

“Whereas the OBN dimension was changed toward a more complete assessment of mystical experiences by incorporating items that were formulated on the basis of six of the nine categories of mystical experiences proposed by Stace [20],

“the VRS dimension was conceptually widened by incorporating items that measure an increase of imaginations, associations, and memory retrieval.

“The re-conceptualization of the VRS dimension was mainly driven by theoretical considerations of Leuner [22], [23], who had hypothesized that visual hallucinations are associated with an increased internal stimulus production.

“The original OAV validation study [5], … indicated that the questionnaire revision successfully improved several psychometric properties, including item discriminations, simple structure and scale reliabilities.

“High correlations of OBN, DED, and VRS scales across the two questionnaire versions suggested that these scales measure similar constructs in both questionnaires. Results obtained by the APZ and OAV can therefore be compared by transforming the scales through linear equations [24].

Mystical Experiences Questionnaire (MEQ)

Factor Analysis of the Mystical Experience Questionnaire: A Study of Experiences Occasioned by the Hallucinogen Psilocybin
MacLean KA, Leoutsakos J-MS, Johnson MW, Griffiths RR.
J Sci Study Relig. 2012;51: 721–737. pmid:23316089

Ego-Dissolution Inventory (EDI)

Ego-Dissolution and Psychedelics: Validation of the Ego-Dissolution Inventory (EDI)
Nour MM, Evans L, Nutt D, Carhart-Harris RL.
Front Hum Neurosci. 2016 Jun 14;10:269. doi: 10.3389/fnhum.2016.00269. PMID: 27378878; PMCID: PMC4906025.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4906025/

Quality of Acute Psychedelic Experience Predicts Therapeutic Efficacy of Psilocybin for Treatment-Resistant Depression

Roseman L, Nutt DJ, Carhart-Harris RL. Quality of Acute Psychedelic Experience Predicts Therapeutic Efficacy of Psilocybin for Treatment-Resistant Depression. Front Pharmacol. 2018 Jan 17;8:974. doi: 10.3389/fphar.2017.00974. PMID: 29387009; PMCID: PMC5776504.

url https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5776504/

Phenomenological assessment of psychedelics induced experiences: Translation and validation of the German Challenging Experience Questionnaire (CEQ) and Ego-Dissolution Inventory (EDI)

Phenomenological assessment of psychedelics induced experiences: Translation and validation of the German Challenging Experience Questionnaire (CEQ) and Ego-Dissolution Inventory (EDI)
“German” different than Griffiths Johns Hopkins CEQ? No,
“The 26-item [questions; 25 of them are versions of “Did you feel fear?”] Challenging Experience Questionnaire assesses multiple facets of psilocybin induced experiences on seven subscales [categories of questions], whereas the 8-item [8-question] Ego-Dissolution Inventory consists of a unidimensional scale [maybe means doesn’t define subcategories of the 8 questions] .”

url https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0264927

What pseudo-science BS looks like:

“Confirmatory factor analysis suggested an acceptable fit of the 7-factor structure of the German Challenging Experience Questionnaire with overall good internal consistency for all subscales.”

translation:

Our dragon-free, God-free, mystic control seizure-free set of 7 categories of questions measured up.

👍 ✅ 🚫🐉

Never mind that the Psychotherapy Marketing Dept. stepped in to corrupt the final process of reducing the good set of 64 “items” in the Initial Pool down to 26 lopsided, effects-selective subset of “items” so as to retain the added depression “items” (bona fide valid additions beyond what’s covered in the scope of negative effects listed in DED and ICC) and during that same laudable process of expanding the scope of negative effects that are accounted for, SILENTLY, COVERTLY DELETED, WITHOUT EVEN A VENEER OF SCIENCEY-POSTURING DISCUSSION, THE “CONTROL-SEIZURE HELPLESS MARIONETTE WITH NO ABILITY TO CONTROL MY MIND” questions.

“we included seven items of the MEQ30 measuring unitive experience. We further selected twenty-five items of the OBN and the Dread of Ego-Dissolution (DED) scale of the 5DASC [10] which, as shown by a more recent study [11], can also be analyzed as Experience of Unity, Disembodiment, Impaired Control and Cognition, and Anxiety.”

“Finally, four items of the Altered Self-Awareness and the Altered Body Image subscales of the PCI were included as a joint measure of altered self-experience to explore their relationship with the EDI.”

I mis-spoke, was DED part of OAV? Hard to keep track.

DED is part of 5DASC, and an alternative grouping of the DED questions. As an alternative to DED subset of 5DASC questions is this newer re-categorization set of categories:

  • Experience of Unity
  • Disembodiment
  • Impaired Control and Cognition (ICC) – 7 q’s I think. CEQ picked the lamest one for the final cut of 26 q’s.
  • Anxiety (ANX) – 6 q’s I think. CEQ picked the lamest two for the final cut of 26 q’s.

Psychedelic Spotlight

Is the Mystical Experience Necessary for Psychedelic Therapy?

by James Kent onJune 17, 2022 – IS THIS THE JAMES KENT WHO DEMONIZED AND FLIPPED AGAINST PSYCHEDELICS covered by Transcendent Knowledge Podcast?

url https://psychedelicspotlight.com/is-the-mystical-experience-necessary-for-psychedelic-therapy/

” mystical experiences on psychedelics are often defined in terms of oceanic boundlessness, ego dissolution, and universal interconnectedness.”

“These states are typically measured using a tool called the Mystical Experience Questionnaire (MEQ), a list of 30 questions developed to measure various mystical states experienced by psychedelic users. The questions track experiences like states of “pure being”, “reverence”, or “pure awareness”, as well as more fantastical features like “amazement”, “ineffability”, or “transcendence of time and space”.”

url https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5203697/ – MEQ

The MEQ – a copy at Trippingly

https://www.trippingly.net/lsd-studies/2018/5/22/the-mystical-experience-questionaire-30-questions

Fake “Journalist” Invasion

Fake “Journalists” Who Don’t Even Know 1950s Ergot Psychotherapy Legally Occurred

Fake “Journalists”, Only Motivated by Causing Trouble

Careful with the j-word, “journalists”, aka invaders, mudslingers, ignoramus outsider troublemakers, posers, wolves in sheeps clothing, only looking to destroy everything possible, accuse everyone of anything they can think of, and abuse the field of psychedelics to accomplish that, their non-psychedelics motivated, alien purpose.

The long-standing Atheism community was instantly destroyed in 2015 by such an alien invasion of outsider motives.

James Kent – As Prevaricating as Jan Irvin

“James Kent is the Editor of Psychedelic Spotlight, author of Psychedelic Information Theory, and is the host of the DoseNation podcast.”

I reviewed PIT around 2005 in discussion with James Kent, see Egodeath.com or maybe the Egodeath Yahoo Group archives.

Wonderland Miami Exposes Growing Rift in Psychedelic Community

NOVEMBER 8, 2022/BY JAMES KENT

CULTURE, OPINION

The Narrowing of Psychedelic Discourse

“Psychedelic discourse was once filled with visions of infinite possibilities, but recently the conversation has turned to more mundane concerns”

SEPTEMBER 28, 2022/BY JAMES KENT

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