Michael Hoffman, December 28, 2022 6:36 pm UTC+0

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Contents:

• Does Griffiths Comprehend Volition-Control Challenges?
  • Quote Indicating Griffiths Grasps that Loss of Ego/Control Is a Challenging Experience
  • Quote Indicating Griffiths Grasps that Loss of Control of the Mind Is a Challenging Experience
• Removal of “Dread” Category in Phases
• Charles Stang’s Accusation of Ignoring Negative Mystic Effects, and Griffith’s Pointing to CEQ as Defense Claiming that CEQ Covers Negative Mystic Effects
• Griffiths’ Dread-Replacement Agenda
• Replace Dittrich by Studerus, Replace OAV by 11-Factor
• 11-Factor Questionnaire Serves as a Deliberate OAV Replacement, Not Supplement
• We Are Removing the Dread Questions and Adding the Depression Questions Instead
• Griffiths Worked off the 11-Factor Studerus Reduced Dread Category and Didn’t See the 4 Removed Questions

Does Griffiths Comprehend Volition-Control Challenges?

maybe merge w/ my section somewhere that lists evidence that Griffiths does vs. doesn’t understand the existence of Volition-Control challenges – sections:
Spots in CEQ Article Where Griffiths Appears to Comprehend that Volition-Control Effects Are Challenging
Spots in CEQ Article Where Griffiths Apparently Fails to Comprehend that Volition-Control Effects Are Challenging
within page:
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/12/22/ceqs-initial-question-pool-covers-all-challenging-experiences-but-final-ceq-fraudulently-removes-control-problems-reverting-to-a-mere-subset-thus-endangering-people-and-research-while-adding-psychothe/

Quote Indicating Griffiths Grasps that Loss of Ego/Control Is a Challenging Experience

“The OAV sub-scale “dread of ego dissolution” (DED) covers a wide range of negative experiences, and is generally considered an overall “bad trip” scale (Studerus et al., 2010).
This meta-scale of possible negative effects covers many (e.g. panic, loss of ego/control, feelings of insanity) but not all (e.g. sadness/ grief/ depression) possible categories of challenging experiences.” – Griffiths 2016 p. 2.

[so, CEQ adds a new Grief category, and puts more questions there than any of our other categories, and omits any Volition-Control-Dread category, and removes 14 of 17 OAV Dread questions (82%), in order to achieve broadened, comprehensive coverage of challenging aspects of psychedelics experiences.

It is bad for safety to omit any challenging experiences — that’s why we omit/ delete/ remove/ nuke 14 out of 17 questions of the standard bad trip scale.

We had to get rid of ambiguous questions and streamline our CEQ, which ends up with 33% dup questions about fear, isolation, etc.]

Quote Indicating Griffiths Grasps that Loss of Control of the Mind Is a Challenging Experience

“The subjective experience of one’s own death and loss of control of the mind might somehow allow for the type of unity experience that leads to spiritual and meaningful experiences.” – Griffiths 2016 p. 14.

Removal of “Dread” Category in Phases

Generations of categories of negative psychedelic effects in OAV, 11-Factor, and then CEQ questionnaires:

Phase 1: OAV: Dittrich’s “Dread” Category

Phase 2: 11-Factor: Studerus’ “Impaired Control and Cognition” and “Anxiety” Categories

Phase 3: CEQ: Griffiths’ “Fear, Grief, Insanity, Isolation, Death, Paranoia” Categories

Charles Stang’s Accusation of Ignoring Negative Mystic Effects, and Griffith’s Pointing to CEQ as Defense Claiming that CEQ Covers Negative Mystic Effects

Psychedelics and the Future of Religion/ Transcendence and Transformation Initiative (Stang, Harvard)
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/12/16/psychedelics-and-the-future-of-religion-transcendence-and-transformation-initiative-stang-harvard/

Stang: “Your description of mystic experiencing is incorrect – you omit negative experiences, which doesn’t match the archive of mystics’ reports; your theory fails to match the data.”

Griffiths to Stang: “We have negative mystic effects covered, in our Challenging Experiences Questionnaire (CEQ).”

Cybermonk: “That’s my area! I am interested what Griffiths does with Dread effects.”

Griffiths in CEQ article: “We start with the reduced set of 13 out of 17 of Dittrich’s Dread effects that Studerus’ 11-Factor retains, and then we reduce the Dread effects questions to 3 out of 17, and get rid of categories “Dread” and “Volition/Control”.

“We instead add “Grief/Sad/Depress” effects questions and categories.”

Griffiths claims to cover negative mystic effects in CEQ, but actually replaces negative mystic effects (“Dread, Control, Volition”) by stock psychology effects questions about “Sad/ Depress/ Grief”.

CEQ doesn’t “cover” negative mystic psychedelics effects; CEQ covers over negative mystic effects.

Griffiths’ Dread-Replacement Agenda

Griffiths Starts from the Already Reduced Dread Questions in 11-Factor Version of OAV then Removes the Remaining Dread Questions

Start from the already reduced dread questions in 11-Factor’s Replacement of OAV (which is deliberately not framed as “a version of OAV”), and then remove the remaining Dread questions.

This realization is after making the Egodeath Mystery Show: Ep 224: Question 54 recording: I’m so innocent/ naive in the first 2/3 of the Question 54 voice recording – maybe at the end I start to get a clue.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 224: Question 54 😱
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/12/27/egodeath-mystery-show-episode-224-question-54/

Griffiths is trying to take down O A V, and is not interested in making sure he starts with all 17 of its Dread questions.

He wants to be ignorant of them and start from the smaller subset of 13 that’s retained in 11-Factor.

Among the 4 pre-removed questions removed by 11-Factor is #54, I was afraid to lose my self-control.

Good luck w trying to obtain Dittrich’s articles, since not even Griffiths had them or wanted to have them, with their excessive Dread category.

Griffiths is not interested in Dittrich’s OAV categories; he’s interested in getting rid of OAV’s Dread questions.

It’s in Griffiths’ interest to ignore OAV (17 Dread effects questions) and wholly replace it by the shrunken set of Dread questions in 11-Factor (13 Dread effects questions) and then go way further than 11-Factor and reduce them to almost no Dread effects (3 Dread effects questions).

Griffiths dislikes OAV with its useless categories Ocean, Dread, Vision.

Griffiths is eager to avoid Dittrich’s OAV scheme articles, and instead replace Dittrich’s OAV-based articles by Studerus’ hostile takeover that replaces OAV.

11-Factor is a wholesale replacement of OAV, already eager to remove 4 out of the 13 challenging effects from the Dittrich’s Angst/Dread category, at the same time as getting rid of the Angst/Dread category by replacing it by categories that we control.

Griffiths is not interested in reading Dittrich, Dittrich’s OAV is the problem. Base CEQ off of the final Studerus 11-Factor, definitely not off Dittrichs’ OAV, which contains a category we don’t like and challenging questions that we don’t like, and that we’re going to take from 17, to 13, to 3, getting rid of nuisance effects like question 54: “I was afraid to lose my self-control.”

Studerus and Griffiths are not interested in Question 54, or Marionette.

They are interested in shifting attention from Question 54 & Marionette to the new categories they define and control – which lacks a Volition-Control category in the inventory of all known challenging effects as you can see in the Initial Item List, look how comprehensive it is.

The final CEQ keeps only 26 of 64 pool questions, and gets rid of Volition-Control category, and gets rid of 14 of 17 volition-control questions, keeping only a token 3 that are poor and dup.

Replace Dittrich by Studerus, Replace OAV by 11-Factor

Fall back to the 11-Factor bastardized and already God-forsaken version of OAV. CEQ IS BEYOND GOD-FORSAKEN, it’s demonic, it’s supershrunk version of a shrunk subset of Dread questions.

It’s 2nd Gen shrunken Dread list to get rid of Dread category and CONVERT TO A NEW CATEGORY SYSTEM while gathering challenging effcts from the three (versions of) questionnaires – for legacy 1975-styled OAV, we’ll REPLACE OAV BY 11-FACTOR. Not supplement; get rid of OAV entirely.

Replace OAV firmly and entirely.

Assure people you can math convert between the bad old OAV concerns and the new good 11-Factor concerns, so it’s safe to abandon and stop using OAV, and wholly replace it by 11-Factor in place of OAV.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 224: Question 54 😱
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/12/27/egodeath-mystery-show-episode-224-question-54/

Just one more rev and we can completely write Dread psychedelics effects out of the narrative – while justifying all of this removal as “increasing coverage to be comprehensive” when it does NO SUCH THING.

CEQ does not broaden coverage (it removes the Initial Item Pool of challenging effects down from 64 to 24 = to 38%.

CEQ SHIFTS coverage, from Volition-Control challenging effects, to put coverage INSTEAD on Depression.

STOP focusing on V-Ctrl and focus INSTEAD on Depression, don’t even acknowledge any more, the Dread effects, which was the biggest category such that we had to in 1994 pad out and inflate the O and V categories to try to keep up with the way more populated A category.

O, A, V: That stands for unicorns & rainbows, mystical b/c positive experiences.

Sad unicorns with rainbows is the ailment we’re looking for, not marionettes whose fear is of catastrophic loss of control!!

We’ll take the sad unicorn with rainbows instead pls.

It’s better for Big Pharma business.

Never mind tour “attend where needed” argument – attend where WE need to as professional couch psychotherapists, that’s our bed that we will fit you into, so these are the questions we will inquire into.

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We’ll keep 3 token Dread questions out of the 17 (18%).

We’ll keep 3 of the 13 of the 17 of the Dread effects which Dittrich found.

We’ll put maximum focus on Depression/ Sadness/ Grief through this instrument, the Challenging Experiences Questionnaire (CEQ).

☹️🦄💨🌈

That’s our kinda tripper!

We’ll center our challenging effects around Sad/ Grief/ Depress, we need to get rid of this Dread category: REPLACE DREAD, don’t supplement the 3 dimensions by adding 11; we need to GET RID OF DITTRICH‘s DREAD Dimension. And get rid of Oceanic and Visionary – these overwhelming broad lofty categories.

First, replace Dread category by ICC “Impaired control” and ANX “Anxiety” categories – they sound better for PR than Dread – we have got to move away from this DED acronym and the word Dread.

We can profit by recasting ABANDONING “OCEAN” & “ANGST/DREAD” & “VISIONARY”, replaced by psychologized categories.

We get more control of framing by stopping used “Ocean/ Dread/ Visionary”, instead use our psych-speak categories that we can control and frame and fit into our couch psychotherapy framework.

Angst is ok but “impaired control” and “anxiety” are professional psych-speak, not like Dread and DED and marionette and panic. We need better negative psychedelic effects that fit into our PROCRUSTEAN COUCH.

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We will fit psychedelics including challenging effects into our couch psychotherapy frame.

11-Factor Questionnaire Serves as a Deliberate OAV Replacement, Not Supplement

I wondered why Studerus didn’t say “We are adding an additional layer of categories to add subdivisions of Ocean, Angst, and Vision categories” even though that’s what Studerus does.

Ocean is simply divided in 4, Angst in 2, Vision into 5 more-granular categories WITHIN the O A V broad categories but Studerus wants the O A V categories gone!

Molding psychedelics effects into our ordinary-state based psychology framework merely requires:

• Getting rid of Dittrich’s Dread category of psychedelic effects, and
• Getting rid of 14 out of the 17 (remove 82%, keep 18%) challenging effects questions in the Dread category, and
• Re-asssigning those effects into our new psychologized categories that replace Dittrich’s un-advantageous categories: Ocean, Dread, Vision.

Definitely DO NOT USE DITTRICH’S OAV; avoid his categories.

Make Dittrich’s categories obsolete, so we can get rid of them, they are not advantageous to our frame.

Use Studerus’ 11-Factor OAV replacement that helps get rid of Dittrich’s O A V Ocean, Angst/Dread, Vision categories.

Therefore Griffiths has EVERY REASON TO IGNORE DITTRICH’S OAV-BASED ARTICLES AND SPECS, AND EVERY REASON TO BUILD FROM 11-FACTOR WHICH REPLACES OAV and its non-advantageous Ocean/ Angst/ Vision categories.

We need categories of negative effects that are handleable, tractable, placed into useful categories.

No Dread, or Volition, or Control challenges please (we like Fear and Anxiety though).

We claim in CEQ to give complete coverage, unlike Dread, while we, under that claim, remove 14 of 17 Dread effects questions, and remove categories named Dread or Control or Volition, and move Dread effects questions into our tractible replacement categories.

We’ll frame the challenging psychedelics effects of interest into categories:
Fear, Grief, Sadness, Depression

Not:
Volition, Control, Dread, Angst, Dissolution

We Are Removing the Dread Questions and Adding the Depression Questions Instead

The Dread category got totally corrupted in Griffiths’ Challenging Experiences Questionnaire (CEQ).

CEQ keeps only 3 of Dittrich’s 17 Angst/ Dread questions.

Griffiths kept 3 of the 13 that he was aware of.

Studerus kept those 13 out of Dittrich’s official 17 Dread effects questions, then Griffiths kept only 3 out of Studerus’ 13.

3/17 = Griffiths kept only 18% of the standard Dread dimension questions in CEQ, and CEQ is all about being comprehensive view of negative, Dread effects and also Depression.

GRIFFITHS COMPLETELY REMOVED COVERAGE OF THE ICC AND ANX FACTORS AND DREAD DIMENSION, WHILE ADDING PROFESSIONAL PSYCHOTHERAPY CATEGORIES FEAR, GRIEF, DEPRESSION.

We’re not interested in Dread questions, so we kept only 3 out of the 17 standard Dread dimension category of psychedelic effects questions.

Griffiths Worked off the 11-Factor Studerus Reduced Dread Category and Didn’t See the 4 Removed Questions

Griffiths didn’t see them unless saw Studerus’ separate document, Figure S1 “Hierarchy Tree”.

Egodeath Mystery Show episode 224: Question 54 😱
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/12/27/egodeath-mystery-show-episode-224-question-54/

That recording is by nature, lining up the questions. I subsequently, after making that recording, I answer those raised questions in the text posts.

Griffiths was evidently working NOT off Dittrich 1994 or 2006 / 2010 unobtainium mythological articles.

Griffiths shows all signs of working off of the 11-Factor Studerus shinkage of the Dread category from Dittrich’s 17 bad trip questions to just 13 of them, 24% removed from the Dread category, including because of fake math voodoo and gut bias hunch, we removed mostly effects questions from the Dread category.

4 of 7 removed items were in the 2 of 11 factor category.

Griffiths didn’t see Dittrich’s 17 questions unless he viewed the separate doc for Figure S1 which is the only place any human has ever seen all 17 of Dittrich’s Dread questions admitted and permitted for The Public to view.

These are copyrighted questions behind a secret paywall, and Griffith’s didn’t have Dittrich’s questionnaire spec’ns.

Griffiths worked off 11-Factor OAV, which removed 4 of Dittrich’s official 17 Angst/Dread effects (removing 24% of the Dread questions).