How to Partly Redeem the CEQ: Add a “Control” Category and the Surveys’ Specific Questions About Experiencing the Threat of Loss of Control


Michael Hoffman, December 28, 2022 8:56 pm UTC+0

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Intro

To the extent that this blatantly malformed CEQ can be somewhat redeemed, repair Griffiths’ 2016 Challenging Experiences Questionnaire (CEQ) by adding/ restoring this Control category of challenging psychedelics effects, containing the best questions drawn from the main questionnaires.

The Resulting Improved CEQ

Control

5D-ASC 54. I was afraid to lose my self-control.
5D-ASC 6. I had the feeling of being connected to a superior power.
5D-ASC 5. I felt like a puppet or marionette.
5D-ASC 53. I had the feeling that I no longer had a will of my own.
5D-ASC 38. I felt threatened.
SOCQ 28. Sense of being trapped and helpless.
HRS #. It was difficult to control my thoughts.

Fear

HRS 26. Frightened. [dup]
HRS 27. Panic.
SOCQ 52. Experience of fear. [dup]
HRS 25. Anxious.
5D-ASC 63. I had the feeling something horrible would happen.

Grief

HRS 36. Sad.
SOCQ 91. Feelings of grief.
HRS 38. Despair. [dup]
HRS 39. Feel like crying.
SOCQ 16. Feelings of despair. [dup]
SOCQ 13. Emotional and/or physical suffering.

Physical Distress

HRS 12. Feel heart beating.
HRS 13. Feel heart skipping beats or beating irregularly.
HRS 11. Feel body shake/tremble. [dup]
HRS 10. Shaky feelings inside. [dup]
HRS 09. Pressure or weight in chest or abdomen.

Insanity

SOCQ 85. Fear that you might lose your mind or go insane. [dup]
HRS 88. Change in sense of sanity. [dup]
5D-ASC 19. I was afraid that the state I was in would last forever.

Isolation

5D-ASC 44. I felt isolated from everything and everyone. [dup]
HRS 44. Feel isolated from people and things. [dup]
SOCQ 45. Isolation and loneliness. [dup]

Death

SOCQ 70. Profound experience of your own death. [dup]
HRS 70. Feel as if dead or dying. [dup]

Paranoia

SOCQ 40. Feeling that people were plotting against you.
SOCQ 72. Experience of antagonism toward people around you. [not legit]

The Resulting Category Sizes

Control – 7
Fear – 3
Grief – 6
Physical – 5
Insanity – 3
Isolation – 3
Death – 2
Paranoia – 2

Category Sizes After Removing Dups

Control – 7
Fear – 2
Grief – 5
Physical – 4
Insanity – 2
Isolation – 1
Death – 1
Paranoia – 1

The count after removing dups or non-legit items per Griffiths.

That’s a better-balanced representation of the reported domain.

The new/restored, “Control” category needs to be put first, since it’s distinctive of psychedelics challenging effects.

The Control category is forced by the reported scientific data to include more effects than Griffiths’ pet, disproportionately bloated “Grief” category.

The Control category has every right to be bigger than and dominate over the mere Grief category.

It is dishonest to focus more on the generic psychotherapy Grief category than the psychedelics-specific Control category. Or to cover Grief at the expense of entirely removing the Control category.

I am applying a severe correction on CEQ that’s data-driven, and to make the legit point: Control is much more dominant and distinctive of psychedelics challenging experiences than mere Grief.

The flaws with this improved scheme aren’t in the Control category; it contains no dup effects.

The flaws are the many dups in other categories – Griffiths needs to fix this obvious error of the heavily dup-riddled, therefore unusable CEQ.

Griffiths’ Grief Grifters: Replacing Altered-State Control Effects by Ordinary-State Grief Effects

The category that Griffiths is intent on constructing is plainly Grief. It’s the biggest, and the CEQ article body says what’s wrong with the main questionnaires is they omit categories that gather the Grief/Sad effects questions.

Griffiths promises that CEQ will not suffer that omission; it will not cover ICC+ANX problems; impaired control/cognition problems, while leaving no category-coverage to represent the Grief effects questions.

What CEQ actually delivers is the removal of a Control category and all of the control-focused effects questions, while Griffiths adds the Grief category and retains all the surveys’ Grief-related questions.

Griffiths doesn’t comprehend psychedelics control challenges at all, even though he sometimes goes through the motions of pretending to include the Dread and Impaired Control categories – during the Initial Pool, and sometimes in the article body, but not in the final CEQ that’s delivered.

The CEQ article says they don’t expect Volition to be a challenging area of psychedelics effects.

Of the six sub-scales of the HRS (i.e. affect, cognition, intensity, perception, somaesthesia, and volition), one might hypothesize that the affect, cognition, and somaesthesia subscales might be most sensitive to challenging experiences.

p. 2, CEQ article, Griffiths, 2016

This shows that they have no comprehension of fear of catastrophic loss of control – and explains why they delete Control-issue questions carelessly, while highlighting Grief questions.

Griffiths omits a Control-Volition category for the surveys’ existing questions, while providing a big Grief category.

Studerus and Griffiths want to get rid of Dittrich’s “Angst of/Dread of Ego Dissolution” category, and Griffiths wants to go further and get rid of Studerus’ “Impaired Control and Cognition” category.

Griffiths doesn’t necessarily understand psychedelics grief challenges either, but he falls back in reductionistic fashion to conflating ordinary-state grief with altered-state grief problems.

Control Issues Vying Against Grief Issues

There are only two big categories of challenging effects in CEQ after I add the justifiably big, and altered-state distinctive, Control category.

Control issues, as found in Dread category, are truly distinctive of the altered state; they don’t much cross over directly to ordinary-state problems with control, though that’s my area of attempted focus in 1987.

Grief issues easily conflate and cross over between altered state and ordinary state.

Griffiths can take his Grief psychology textbooks and pretend to directly apply them to psychedelic grief-problems experiencing.

Griffiths cannot take his Control Issues Psychology textbooks and directly apply them to psychedelic control-problems experiencing.

The Resulting “Control” Category

Control

I was afraid to lose my self-control.

It was difficult to control my thoughts.

I had the feeling of being connected to a superior power.

I felt like a puppet or marionette.

Sense of being trapped and helpless.

I had the feeling that I no longer had a will of my own.

I felt threatened.

Eadwine image: the self-threatening psalter image viewer

CEQ Is Malformed, Not Serious, Unusable, a Token, and Will Be Ignored

The moment anyone attempts to use and administer Griffiths’ 2016 Challenging Experiences Questionnaire (CEQ), they will see that it’s badly malformed.

How can Griffiths not see what a bad questionnaire their categories and questions deliver?

CEQ is a sham, it’s not a real, sincere, actual questionnaire. It’s a utilitarian project, a ploy, a pretext, a scheme.

CEQ is merely an artifice, a means to an end: we need the challenging effects of psychedelics to feed back into supporting our professional, ordinary-state based, couch-psychotherapy framing, making the negative/ challenging psychedelics effects feed into and build up our psychotherapy practice model.

CEQ is a strategy of steering away from psychedelics-distinctive Volition-Control challenging effects toward, instead, generic Grief/ Sad/ Depress effects, which we can then attach our hundred years of couch psychotherapy to.

The CEQ has a mission of gathering specifically the desired, Grief/ Sad/ Depress effects, and is not at all interested in gathering Dread of Volition Control effects.

The CEQ isn’t a mission to discover additional negative effects; the CEQ is a means of creating and striving to create a market, by taking away from the defenseless Dread of Volition-Control reported negative effects.

There’s not an industry body that’s trying to profit off repairing the genuinely reported and assertive psychedelics Dread of Volition-Control effects.

Hopkins is an industry body that’s invested in making a business off repairing a desired new body of effects evidence, wanting to highlight and group all the survey questions that they can find about Sad/ Depress/ Grief, by forming a big packed prominent category named that, and at the same time, getting rid of their negative-effects competition, the OAV Angst/Dread category.

CEQ is not a serious, usable questionnaire; it’s all a mere exercise, a scheme, a ploy, to make a show of adding a Grief category while quietly getting rid of the Dread category, which Griffiths Hopkins feels is competing against their own pet, negative-effects category (Sad/ Grief/ Depress).

Degree of Legitimacy of OAV’s “Dread of Ego Dissolution” Category, 11-Factors’ “Impaired Control and Cognition” and “Anxiety” Categories, and HRS’ “Volition” Category

There are different levels at which to achieve legitimacy:

Is the survey legit?

Is the category legit, as a named container?

Is the set of psychedelics effects questions (considered individually, or as a set inside a category) legit, at the level of individual questions?

CEQ

Griffiths’ CEQ is not legit, regarding Dread effects: it removes 14 of 17 and almost entirely removes specifically experiencing the threat of catastrophic loss of control, which is the distinctive psychedelics effect that drives transformation.

OAV

Dittrich’s Angst/Dread category of OAV is legit, the set of all 17 questions.

11-Factors

11-Factors‘ Impaired Control and Cognition (ICC) & Anxiety (ANX) categories are semi-legit. They removed 4 of Dittrich’s Dread questions, including 54: “I was afraid to lose my self-control.”

HRS

It is legit that HRS has a Volition category.

I don’t have the list of which effects questions are in HRS‘ Volition category. Their categories:

intensity
somaesthesia
affect
perception
cognition
volition

SOCQ

As a set of categories, SOCQ is not legit, because it lacks a Volition-Control Dread category.

I don’t have the list of which effects questions are in which of SOCQ‘s categories.

SOCQ is mystical and “therefore” exclusively positive re: their categories, though some individual SOCQ questions are legit, about experiencing the threat of loss of control.

SOCQ is home of MEQ subset survey questions, about mystical unicorns & rainbows. SOC categories:

I. Internal Unity

II. External Unity

III. Transcendence of Time and Space

IV. Ineffability and Paradoxicality

V. Sense of Sacredness

VI. Noetic Quality

VII. Deeply-Felt Positive Mood

The CEQ Violates Psychometrics Factor Math and Is Beyond Redemption

Any person looking at the CEQ instantly can tell you it’s bunk and that the math should have prevented fabricating a bunk Isolation category that only contains the same single “Felt isolated” effect repeated 3 times from 3 surveys.

The survey is an insult, a paranoia-inducing mind game asking you the same exact question 2-3 times, in 6 cases.

Why do you keep asking me the same 6 questions over and over? What’s your ploy against me?

How are you trying to manipulate my answers by asking me “Isolated” 3 times?

Same thing with exact dup Fear questions – the math should have caught and prevented these dup questions that prop up the pseudo-“categories”.

I talk below of coordinating my Control-challenge questions across the CEQ, but the CEQ is completely malformed and doesn’t at all coordinate the dup questions that are drawn from 3 surveys.

My Control questions don’t have to be coordinated at all, since Griffiths’ 26 questions aren’t really coordinated eg his Paranoia category contains only a single relevant question/effect.

His Paranoia pseudo-category is not a bona fide “category” of distinguishable, distinct effects.

Math should prevent this — proving that this applying of a standard blob of math is very unscientific; anti-scientific.

Cargo-cult attachment of math to an obviously manifestly malformed set of questions? No problem; no correction is achieved or driven by the math.

Intro 2

I need to double-check that those are the best questions out of the OAV, 11-Factor, SOCQ, and HRS surveys.

Here’s the gist of it, above; representative enough.

As always, we need to follow-through on the swing: pay attention to the attraction, the treasure, the reward; Transcendent Knowledge, control model transformation, completion, enlightenment, perfection, making immortal / no longer dying ego death, though the bridal chamber climactic control seizure capacity remains.

Griffiths needs to add this category containing these questions, to the CEQ, just like they added a Paranoia category after they attached the standard blob of math to drive their set of 6 categories to give 7.

They need to restore/add the 8th category equivalent of the Dread, Control, and Volition categories of the OAV, 11-Factor, and HRS surveys.

Using the same seat-of-the-pants, non-scientific method process as they used to add their Paranoia category, out-of-band, post-analysis of the factors categories.

Except that in this case, Griffiths won’t need to write a paragraph explaining why this category is bunk and you shouldn’t use it, as Griffiths did for their patch-on, Paranoia category.

How to Redeem the CEQ: Add “Dread of Volition Control Category” and the Pointed Survey Questions About Control Loss Threat

I thought I posted this but I can’t find it so here’s a dedicated posting.

Add a category #8 to Griffiths’ CEQ Challenging Experiences Questionnaire. Start by adding to it all of the Dittrich Dread questions from OAV – 17, not 13, and add the pointed control loss threat questions from SOCQ & HRS, and remove weak questions; keep on-point, pointed, specific questions. Not just vague “fear”.

Start with page Table 3 page 9 which is same as CEQ Scoring Guide in appendix page 21 of pdf.

Add 8th category, “Control Loss”.

Get all 17 of OAV’s Dread questions from Studerus 2010 Figure S1 tree hierarchy, put into that category. The added category added to CEQ is:

Control-Loss Categories from the Eternalism and Control Questionnaire (ECQ)

I pasted here the questions from https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/12/23/eternalism-and-control-transformation-effects-in-the-psychedelics-effects-questionnaires/#Control-Model-Transformation – categories:

Here are all of those questions.

  • Reduced this list to my favorite questions, only slightly more questions than Griffiths’ pet Grief category that he’s intent on adding at the expense of the “Dread of Volition Control” questions that I’m restoring WITH A VENGEANCE 😡🐉
  • Identified which questionnaire each of the questions is from.
  • Coordinated this list with the other categories of questions in CEQ.

Favorite Questions

It was difficult to control my thoughts.

I had the feeling of being connected to a superior power.

I was afraid to lose my self-control.

Sense of being trapped and helpless.

I felt like a puppet or marionette.

I had the feeling that I no longer had a will of my own.

I felt threatened.

Near-Favorite Questions

5DASC 89. I had the feeling that something terrible was going to happen.
The CEQ Fear category already has the ‘horrible‘ version of this question.

I had the feeling that I no longer had my own will.

I felt surrendered to dark powers.
I felt as if dark forces had overtaken me. [don’t quite like the “dark” wording]

I experienced a dissolution of my “self” or ego.
I experienced a disintegration of my “self” or ego.

Frustrating attempt to control the experience. [don’t like “the experience” construct]

Feeling that people were plotting against you. [change “people” to “thoughts”]

I was scared without knowing exactly why. [true but sounds generic, not differentiated as regarding control agency under threat]
I was afraid without being able to say exactly why.

Dup Variants

I felt connected to a higher power.

I had the feeling something horrible would happen.

I was afraid of losing control over myself.

I felt like a marionette.

Non-Favorite Questions

All notion of self and identity dissolved away.
I lost all sense of ego.
Loss of your usual identity. [as a control agent]
Change in strength of sense of self.

Feel presence of a numinous force, higher power, God.
I felt extraordinary powers within myself.

I felt incapable of making even the smallest decision.
I had difficulty making even the smallest decision.

In control. [scale]

Experience of confusion, disorientation and/or chaos.

Sense of profound humility before the majesty of what was felt to be sacred or holy.

Able to “let go”.

I heard complete sentences without knowing where they came from.
A voice commented on everything I thought although no one was there.

I felt as if I were paralyzed.

I had suspicious ideas or the belief that others were against me.

Experience of fear. [too generic]
Frightened.

I felt tormented.

I felt anxious.

Visions of demons, devils or other wrathful deities.

References

The Challenging Experience Questionnaire: Characterization of challenging experiences with psilocybin mushrooms
https://www.academia.edu/33760114/The_Challenging_Experience_Questionnaire_Characterization_of_challenging_experiences_with_psilocybin_mushrooms
Frederick Barrett, Matthew Bradstreet, Jeannie-Marie Leoutsakos, Matthew Johnson, Roland Griffiths
2016

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