Contents:
- Griffiths Team’s Mistakes
- Motivation for Creating this Page
- The OAV Questions
- Count of Questions in Categories
- References
Griffiths Team’s Mistakes
Update December 30, 2022: see
Griffiths’ CEQ’s Mistakes, Not Studerus’ 11-Factors’ Mistakes, Omitting Most Challenging Experiences from Psychedelic Effects Questionnaire
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/12/30/griffiths-ceqs-mistakes-not-studerus-11-factors-mistakes-omitting-most-challenging-experiences-from-psychedelic-effects-questionnaire/
Motivation for Creating this Page
I have determined that the high point for Dittrich’ lineage of questionnaires is OAV.
I need a focused, streamlined page clearly representing, specifically, OAV.
The Angst/Dread category blows away the stunted corrupted subset in 11-Factor (keeps only 13 of the 17 Dread questions).
This page avoids 11-Factor notes or proposals or deletions. 11-Factor is designed to get rid of OAV categories and gets rid of a bunch of OAV questions too.
OAV is way better than CEQ’s remnant of only 3 of the 17 Dread questions in Griffiths’ CEQ Challenging Experiences Questionnaire (CEQ).
CEQ de-natures the psychedelic state and carelessly without any discussion, gets rid of its state-specific, most distinctive type of challenging experiences, the psychedelic-type Control challenges, replacing that coverage by general, multi-state, non-state-specific Grief challenges.
Cybermonk, December 29, 2022
I plan to heavily mark this page up for scholarly purposes.
Red bold = highest relevance to the Egodeath theory.
Bold = of interest to the Egodeath theory.
Credibility
Studerus and Griffiths have forfeited all of their basic scientific credibility by carelessly without any actual intelligent articulate specific discussion.
(Compare: Entheogen scholars forfeited basic credibility, in their Amanita Kykeon dead end mono-focus. How did entheogen scholarship barely pick up on discovery of Great Mushroom Psalter? James Arthur’s book cover ~2000, then John Lash 2006, then Cybermonk 2020. Slow take-up.)
You throw out extremely vague broad math statements and then you deleted a bunch of questions willy-nilly with no specific discussion of each item.
Reveal your decision process in an articulate way about specific questions, not abusing broad generalizations about math, “we removed a buncha more negative psychedelic effects! While making a comprehensive negative effects coverage.
Adding breadth of coverage means removing coverage. Or actually moving coverage, off of Control challenges, onto Grief challenges.
Removing Question 54 is Studerus’ 2010 fault mainly; Griffiths 2016 inherited the careless stunted subset of 13 of 17 Dread questions, eagerly.
Griffiths Hopkins was eager to do lots more moving away from OAV and its set of questions as well as its categories.
Post haste get rid of needless strange questions like
Question 54: I was afraid to lose control of my mind.
Get rid of the Dread category questions – except keep 3 token vague questions out of 17 Volition Control Dread challenge questions.
Casually, carelessly remove the Volition Control Threat Dread challenge questions.
Our comprehensive coverage is now streamlined.
Here’s the standard math blob attached to our insanely arbitrary careless monkeying around with decimating Dittrich’s question-set and categories.
You would be better to ditch all the math blob and actually explain meaningfully about your decision process regarding each specific question that you carelessly remove.
Actually discuss, actually explain what the h you’re doing removing Question 54: I was afraid to lose my self-control.
Explain what you’re doing, why, removing questions as well as categories.
What are you trying to accomplish – other than manufacturing your Grief reductionistic category vying against psychedelic state-specific Control issues for the limited spotlight, the spotlight move, the blind spot moved.
We were blind to (multi-state) Grief challenges,
now we’re blind to (psychedelic-specific) Control challenges.
The supposedly “comprehensive” Challenging Effects Questionnaire is formed by REMOVING 14 out of 17 = 82% of the Dread dimension effects questions, while adding a new Grief category that’s bigger than any other category Griffiths delivers.
CEQ de-natures the psychedelic state and carelessly without any discussion, gets rid of its state-specific, most distinctive type of challenging experiences, the psychedelic-type Control challenges, replacing that coverage by general, multi-state, non-state-specific Grief challenges.
54. I was afraid to lose my self-control.
– let’s just get rid of 30 questions including that one, say Studerus and then Griffiths.
FOOLISHNESS!
They have no idea what they’re doing, or they recklessly don’t care, though they lecture us on safety by “our complete coverage” while they delete Question 54.
Voice Recording Transcription – Critique of Questionnaires: Griffiths’ Grief Grifters
Listening to my latest voice recording. (4690.wav).
Very good 2-hour voice recording, critique of questionnaires especially CEQ.
We uttered the term “ego dissolution”, so we can stop thinking now.
Carelessly delete all the control questions and have no control category – therefore he doesn’t comprehend that control-volition problems challenges exist.
Griffiths adds the Grief category b/c in a reductionist way he’s familiar in ord state.
He’s not familiar with control-volition problems so he deletes them while adding his Grief category. He has zero comprehension.
Griffiths removes Control challenges because he wants to keep his survey small and highlight Grief category, so delete the unimportant, Volition-Control Dread challenges questions.
Ord state reductionism: from psychedelics negative effects, remove the questions you don’t understand, and add the category “Grief” that you imagine that you understand b/c ord state Grief counselling is defined.
Result: No Control-focused questions or categs.
CEQ is REDUCTIONISM FROM THE ALTERED STATE TO THE ORD STATE.
THE DISTINCTIVE alt-state questions unique to the altered state GET REMOVED BY CARELESSNESS AND LACK OF COMPREHENSION.
ALT-STATE CONTROL QUESTIONS REPLACED BY ORD. STATE-BASED CONVENTIONAL “GRIEF” CATEGORY.
To increase the coverage breadth, we had to remove all of the Control questions.
A battle between the psychedelic Control vs. non-psychedelic Grief challenges.
Griffiths’ Grief Grifters, using state-reductionism.
We’ve replaced altered state Control issues by ord state Grief issues.
The psychedelic Control issues were replaced by ord state Grief issues.
They removed psychedelic Control issues, and replaced them by ord state Grief issues and textbook practice.
The CEQ de-natures the distinctive psychedelic challenging fx.
He likes the Grief category he’s adding, b/c it spans both states.
But Ctrl issues are unique to the alt state, they can’t conflate it across states like for Grief.
Hopkins can’t leverage their Control-issues “expertise”… this Control challenge doesn’t exist in ord state, like Grief does.
The alt state is interesting b/c of its distinctive Control issues.
CEQ Is Bunk, Fake, a Bluff, a Mockup, a Put-on, a Token, not a Serious Actual Questionnaire Intended for Use
The CEQ is bunk and fake.
The more I learn about the CEQ, the more I recognize it as not a real, sincere questionnaire.
The facade instantly collapses when challenged by elementary questions.
Why would you actually give anyone “Appendix 1: The Challenging Experience Questionnaire” to fill in, given that the same Isolation effect is asked 3 times by 3 questionnaires? 6-7 dup questions out of 26 is 25% dup questions.
And the CEQ has no Control/Dread questions – the most important category of psychedelic challenging experiences.
CEQ is a ploy to get rid of nuisance Control seizure problems that we don’t understand and can’t deal with, while adding our own pet Grief effects questions instead – all the while, claiming that this type of questionnaire is needed, in order to provide broader, expanded, comprehensive coverage of challenging psychedelics effects.
The OAV Questions
General (G-ASC)
Warning: Guesswork – Reverse Engineering – doh! i have all Dread list = Unpleasant categ in Fig S1 Studerus!
I’m having to deduce the structure of Dittrich 1994 OAV dimensions in relation to G-ASC:
Studerus 2010 Table 5 shows item (effect question) counts:
G-ASC 66
Ocean 27
Dread 21
Visionary 18
27 + 21 + 18 = 66.
Evidently, 0 questions sit in a separate G-ASC bucket; therefore G-ASC seems to be the sum of O+A+V; none other.
Oceanic Boundlessness (OB, OBN)
Studerus 2010 Table 5 shows item (effect question) count of:
Ocean 27
48. The boundaries between myself and my surroundings seemed to blur.
10. Everything seemed to unify into an oneness.
21. It seemed to me that my environment and I were one.
27. I experienced a touch of eternity.
28. Conflict and contradictions seem to dissolve.
35. I experienced past, present and future as an oneness.
6. I had the feeling of being connected to a superior power.
56. I experienced a kind of awe.
66. My experience had religious aspects.
61. Everything around me seemed animated.
39. Many things appeared to be breathtakingly beautiful.
7. I enjoyed boundless pleasure.
60. I experienced a profound peace in myself.
65. I experienced an all-embracing love.
15. It seemed to me as though I did not have a body anymore.
42. I had the feeling of being outside of my body.
43. I felt as though I were floating.
Guessing which questions are Ocean dimension: supposed to be 10 here:
2. Bodily sensations were very delightful. (O)
22. Worries and anxieties of everyday life seemed unimportant to me. (O)
50. I felt totally free and released from all responsibilities. (O)
1. I felt like I was in a fantastic other world. (O)
23. Like in a dream, time and space were changed. (O)
47. Many things seemed unbelievably funny to me. (O)
9. I felt I was being transformed forever in a marvelous way. (V, or O)
31. The world appeared to me beyond good and evil. (O)
26. I felt unusual powers in myself. (O)
4. I saw things that I knew were not real. (O or V, per S1)
Dread of Ego Dissolution (DED)
Studerus 2010 Table 5 shows item (effect question) count of:
Dread 21
62. Everything around me was happening so fast that I could no longer follow what was going on.
41. My body seemed to me numb, dead and weird.
5. I felt like a marionette.
16. I had difficulty making even the smallest decision.
24. I had difficulty in distinguishing important from unimportant things.
33. I felt as though I were paralyzed.
44. I felt isolated from everything and everyone.
45. I was not able to complete a thought, my thought repeatedly became disconnected.
53. I had the feeling that I no longer had a will of my own.
54. I was afraid to lose my self-control.
12. I felt tormented.
19. I was afraid that the state I was in would last forever.
29. I was afraid without being able to say exactly why.
30. I experienced everything terrifyingly distorted.
32. I experienced my surroundings as strange and weird.
38. I felt threatened.
63. I had the feeling something horrible would happen.
59. Time passed tormentingly slow. (A, per S1)
36. I experienced an unbearable emptiness. (A, per S1)
3. I felt surrendered to dark powers. (A, per S1)
55. I stayed frozen in a very unnatural position for quite a long time. (A, per S1)
Visionary Restructuralization (VR, VRS)
Studerus 2010 Table 5 shows item (effect question) count of:
Visionary 18
34. I felt very profound.
46. I gained clarity into connections that puzzled me before.
52. I had very original thoughts.
25. I saw scenes rolling by in total darkness or with my eyes closed.
49. I could see pictures from my past or fantasy extremely clearly.
57. My imagination was extremely vivid.
8. I saw regular patterns in complete darkness or with closed eyes.
13. I saw colors before me in total darkness or with closed eyes.
20. I saw lights or flashes of light in total darkness or with closed eyes.
11. Noises seemed to influence what I saw.
14. The shapes of things seemed to change by sounds and noises.
51. The colors of things seemed to be changed by sounds and noises.
17. Everyday things gained a special meaning.
18. Things around me had a new strange meaning for me.
37. Objects around me engaged me emotionally much more than usual.
Guessing which questions are Visionary dimension: supposed to be 3 here:
40. Things came to mind, which I thought I had forgotten long ago. (V)
64. I was able to remember certain events unusually clearly. (V)
58. Things around me appeared smaller or larger. (V)
Count of Questions in Categories
17/17/15 is wrong per Table 5 Studerus – [brackets] = Items count per Table 5. 27+21+18=66 total.
This seems to make Griffiths even worse, keeping only 3 out of 21 effects questions that are in Dread (3/21 is 14% retained, 86% of challenging psychedelic effects in Dread dimension (“the bad trip scale”) discarded/ ignored/ overlooked by Griffiths’ CEQ).
Forget “all 13 ICC & ANX items from Studerus”, the Initial Pool should have included “all 21” of the Dread dimension instead of “all 13” from Studerus.
I’m happy about this worsening for Griffiths, b/c I have been making some mistakes/mis-guesses.
- General (G-ASC) – 17 [66]
- Oceanic Boundlessness (OB) – 17 [27]
- Dread of Ego Dissolution (DED) – 17 [21]- Anxious Ego Dissolution (AED); Angstvolle Ichauflösung (AIA)
- Visionary Restructuralization (VR) – 15 [18]
OAV has 66 questions.
66-17 = 49 questions are in the 3 O/A/V categories, called “dimensions”.
The Studerus 2010 article body says OAV has 66 effects/ questions.
I’m relying on Studerus 2010 Figure S1, which shows the set of 66 OAV questions in English. Figure S1, “hierarchy tree”, shows all 66 OAV questions, before Studerus deleted a bunch of effects questions to form the final version of their 11-Factor bastardized, willy-nilly stunted version of OAV.
Studerus deleted the O, A, and V dimensions buckets (really, just divided up each dimension – proving that at a high level, Studerus agrees with Dittrich).
Divided Ocean into 4 factors, or replaced the Ocean dimension by 4 factors categories.
Divided Dread into 2 factors.
Divided Visionary into 5 factors.
4 + 6 + 5 = 11 Factors (stays confusingly & unscientifically silent about General).
Why are General questions strewn around in Figure S1 hierarchy tree?
OAV has 4 categories of psychedelics effects questions, called “dimensions”:
Griffiths 2016 says DED is considered the bad trip questionnaire (“scale” or “sub-scale”), and CEQ retains only 3 out of the 17 questions from DED.
Your Challenging Experiences list of effects removes 14 of 17 = 82% of the bad trip questionnaire’s questions.
How can you claim in the intro of the CEQ article that CEQ, unlike DED, provides comprehensive coverage of all negative effects just because you add your new Grief category of questions?
Why did you start with a pool of 64 questions and then deliver only 26 questions?
What is the decision process for each specific challenging effect that you remove?
How does REMOVING effects accomplish ADDING comprehensive coverage?
Comprehensive List of Some of All … Subset of Set of All…
What was your objective and reason to mass-remove from 64 down to 24 questions? (24 then 26)
38% of the initial pool, then 41% of the initial pool of challenging effects questions were retained.
References
This section is superseded – see
Bodmer I, Dittrich A, Lamparter D.
Aussergewöhnliche Bewusstseinszustände – Ihre gemeinsame Struktur und Messung
[Altered states of consciousness – Their common structure and assessment].
1994
In:
Hofmann A, Leuner H, editors.
Welten des Bewusstseins. Bd. 3, Experimentelle Psychologie, Neurobiologie und Chemie.
Berlin, Germany: VWB; 1994. pp. 45–58.
Annual journal book that in 1994 defines OAV:
Worlds of Consciousness
Bodmer, I., Dittrich, A. & Lamparter, D. in Welten des Bewusstseins. Bd. 3 (eds. Hofmann, A. & Leuner, H.) 45–58 (Experimentelle Psychologie, Neurobiologie und Chemie., 1994).
Welten des Bewußtseins, Bd.3 – https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Adolf-Dittrich/dp/3861354020/
Studerus 2010 article defining 11-Factor replacement of OAV:
Psychometric Evaluation of the Altered States of Consciousness Rating Scale (OAV)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2930851/
Figure S1 “Hierarchical item clustering tree diagram” from Studerus 2010 lists all 66 OAV items (before Studerus removed a bunch of the questions)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2930851/bin/pone.0012412.s001.pdf
this link might download a pdf rather than immediately displaying it in browser.
The CEQ article:
The Challenging Experience Questionnaire: Characterization of challenging experiences with psilocybin mushrooms
Frederick S Barrett, Matthew P Bradstreet,
Jeannie-Marie S Leoutsakos, Matthew W Johnson
and Roland R Griffiths, 2016 https://www.academia.edu/33760114/The_Challenging_Experience_Questionnaire_Characterization_of_challenging_experiences_with_psilocybin_mushrooms
“OAV History” section in page:
5D-ASC – “Five-Dimensional Altered States of Consciousness” Questionnaire (APZ 1975, OAV 1994, 5D-ASC 2006, 11 Factors 2010)
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/12/23/5d-asc-five-dimensional-altered-states-of-consciousness-questionnaire/#OAV-History
More References, including Dittrich 1993 (1994) listing APZ’s OAV items
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2023/01/03/apz-1975-psychedelic-psychometrics-questionnaire-dittrich-oceanic-heaven-dread-hell-and-visionary-visions/#References
The Egodeath theory 