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My commentary while listening to my discussion of this topic in 1:30:00 Egodeath Mystery Show Ep236
great episode and I am really really glad — that’s two reallys on the Max Freakout Really scale — that the book is everything I hoped for
it clarifies Jan Irvin’s latest position which is a wrong incorrect or partially correct position that mixes together truth and confusion and misrepresentation of the potential of psilocybin and the role of Psilocybin in western religion
I have been wondering ever since Jan Irvin’s religious conversion from gnostic media to logos media and
he recounts the very useful he
he recounts his conversion and
I have been wondering ever since then what is his view on psilocybin in western religion and the relation between revelation , The relation between Psilocybin and Christian religious regeneration and salvation , which he does not discuss enough in this book
but he does discuss it enough that it is clear which of the two directions he went
because I was wondering which of the two directions is he going to go
I have been wondering that since 2014 or since a few years after that when I learned that he had changed direction
I followed him somewhat but there was a gap during which he changed direction which I determined a little bit later
been burning with curiosity since sometime after his 2014 religious conversion do you know
what is his story now what is this official position statement which he has finally delivered in this book finally , which of the two moves is he going to do ??🤔
I reasoned around 2016 is he going to become a sophisticated balanced thinker and give a full fleshed flushed out rounded account of the pros and cons and capabilities and risks of Psilocybin? highly unlikely
more likely Jan Ervin I reckoned more likely he would flip from an absolute positive view Join absolute simpleton to an absolute simpleton negative view of Psilocybin as I predicted
though it is it is a difficult guess
either approach that he takes it has a certain difficulty to it
either I would expect him to do the very hard work of becoming a sophisticated balanced thinker , which is kind of improbable
or else I would expect him to take a simple minded purely negative view of psilocybin, which is what he did as he states in this book That psilocybin is the enemy of logos and Christianity but that is a very difficult position for John Irving to hold it is not a tenable position
This is a harm of the Amanita Primacy Fallacy is that he has ended up with no comprehension of mushrooms because he equated in the past the word mushroom is an exact synonym with the word Amanita
or at least on the whole, that’s what the field did
that was the wrong bet that they made
that was the myopic shortsighted Short that this field did
and so he ended up with no real no actual comprehension of mushrooms, because he didn’t pay attention to psilocybin but mistakingly bet everything on Amanita instead
and so he ended up with no comprehension of how mushrooms transform the mental model and cause religious regeneration
and so we can see since he had no decent theory of mushrooms , we can imagine how easy it was for him to flip from a simple minded positive view to a simple minded negative view, because he has no idea about the ultimate effects of psil mushrooms
so there’s a certain difficulty in him taking that route which is why it was difficult for me to guess which of the two positions would you take either the difficult position of delivering a rounded comprehensive
Take which is difficult to do and takes a special kind of vigorous work different than the kind of vigorous work which he specializes in
or else would he take a purely negative you which is difficult to do it is a simple easy move to make but a very difficult move to defend , given that it is false and out of touch with reality about Psilocybin
And fails to have any explanatory power to explain how we get logos and explain how we experience mystical religious revelation conversion
his simple minded negative stance that he chose to take that fork in the road is highly untenable add difficult and impossible to defend
so either of the two options is difficult in some way for Jan Ervin to pull off, its difficult in someway for Jan Ervin to pull off
Difficult in some way for Jan Irvin to carry out
either he has to carry out the hard word work of delivering a broad-minded full featured analysis and assessment and accounting of the broad Rich roll of psilocybin in religious conversion and mythology history,
or else he asked to conduct the hard work of the impossible task of defending a simple-minded absolutist negative read on psilocybin
he has to Defend, he has committed himself to defending an impossible -to-defend, indefensible position, that psilocybin is entirely harmful and not the source of religious regeneration conversion salvation transformation enlightenment etc. — the very source of the logos, which he pretends to be the figurehead representing
as if he knows anything about logos — He says Logos is the enemy of psilocybin — he might as well be hanging upside down in a tree
Did not follow his changes in real time but I checked in periodically
But it became increasingly unclear he is painting himself in a corner so what is his current view has he switched from saying psychedelics are entirely positive to saying they’re entirely negative it sounds like he has made that flip and I would expect him as a one dimensional black and white thinker I would expect him to make a absolutist flip like that because the simple minded thing to do
not saying that he is intellectually lazy rather than being vigorous , but he is intellectually lazy in that he is narrow and simplifying and oversimplification of the nature and historical role of psilocybin
A distinct discussion analysis is the identify already identified topic that’s challenging to approach is the question of given that our ancestors in mythology held that the greatest good is to use psilocybin to transform the mental model and that the greatest value was to be religious in this way is that true in fact is that objectively true that using that transforming the mental bottle to be aware in relationship with God is the highest value were they were the wrong
transforming the mental bottle model to be aware of God and of two level control end of the block universe pre-existence of future control thoughts and everything that’s in mythology our ancestors held those are the highest value but objectively speaking how can we assess whether they were correct
on what basis can you say that the the greatest good in life is for you to have religious regeneration and transformation of your mental world bottle (and that this happens to be done through psilocybin which is kind of distinct point)
on what basis can we judge whether the tradition is correct or incorrect given that the tradition the religious mythology tradition and art motifs of {branching-message mushroom trees}, {handedness}, and {non-branching} motifs All assert they definitely assert that the greatest good is relationship with God and religious salvation religious conversion from possibilism to eternalism
Can we prove that objectively speaking the greatest mature adult developmental form of the human is transformation to block universe religious awareness in the altered state in the mystic state
My strategic approach of how should I move forward is that I am going to assume that the tradition is correct I am going to affirm and axiomatically assume I am going to affirm and assume that the religious mythology tradition is correct in its report and claim and assertion that transformation from possibilism to eternalism Mental world model is the greatest good mental world model is the greatest good how can you reboot me when I say that you are only in a childish form of development of mental development or can Wilbur psycho spiritual development if you are still within your sin still stuck retarded and stunted and you have not completed your proper well form development but you are in an incoherent self contradictory dysfunctional unhealthy incompleted state a tadpole not a frog
if we have a bunch of creatures that are stuck in their chrysalis stage they are stuck in a warm stage instead of becoming a butterfly that group of creatures would be considered objectively scientifically immature incomplete incorrect merely useful and not in the proper well formed adult form they are in fact dysfunctional objectively speaking
this is what every religion says
this is what every mystic says
this is what every religious mythology says
they all agree unanimously that we are to develop into our mature form and that we are sinful and self contradictory and unhealthy and dysfunctional when we are stuck in the childish form which is possibility thinking instead of block universe thinking
(and it happens that we achieve this transformation through psilocybin, as a distinct point) as backed up by the new book by Jahan Khamsadadeh , Psilocybin Connection
So I am on extremely solid ground when I assert that we must comprehend this transformation from possibilities thinking to block universe thinking with two level control instead of autonomous monolithic ego control model and I am also strongly asserting that there is only one place the logos comes from and that salvation comes from and religious revelation etc. enlightenment Satori and that is from Psilocybin
yes I am willing to commit and marry and wed and sleep with and carry the burden of being the single plant fallacy , limited to only 300 species of psilocybin-containing mushrooms — this is speaking in a shorthand way
I am not going to insert an 800 word essay here explaining that ergot is equivalent but there are complicated social cultural assumptions and presupposition confusion etc. blah blah blah
it boils down to executive elevator speech the simple anti-confusion word the anti-evasion word Psilocybin is the keyword that will set things straight it will work all will be good and if you want to use for Ace for HODIPT obviously that’s equivalent but here we’re talking about the history of mythology in which it is extremely appropriate and a huge the biggest gap the gigantic gap in Entheogens Scholarship right now is the egregious lack of respect for the main most important and most definitive chemical plant , psilocybin
I am on the most solid ground that one could possibly be on when I am the evangelist of the Uber one and only against a Amanita
you see all I’m doing is I’m switching from the Amanita Primacy Fallacy to the Psilocybin primacy truth
So every statement has a degree of truth and the degree of limited accuracy and in such fashion I am certain that the one and only source of religion is psilocybin which is far more true than falls and
making this a surgeon is far more helpful than harmful
making this assertion far more true than falls
Jesus Christ ! voice transcription cannot even handle the word false false falsehood falsehood
As I have explained it is a you guys (everyone’s intensive evasion they’re always trying to evade Psilocybin
my commitment to the Psilocybin 300-species single-plant fallacy is a required and highly effective, correct winning move, appropriate, fully justified corrective, an anti-evasion strategy given that everyone in the world their top move is to evade psilocybin, because it’s the one thing that actually works and is not bullsht — And are you going to say I have not been successful with this strategy
I have won the Internet by employing the highly successful strategy
so if you complain and because I grouse because I single-plant, grouse — if you grouse because I have single-plant fallacy overly-emphasized Psil, boo-hoo 😭 — I won everything by betting rightly everything on Psilocybin against the market invested in Amanita cannabis scopalamine– losing bets
that’s the top move their standard number one move that they always do is to evade psilocybin
so I have to do the countermove you made me do it , you made me do it it is a strategic requirements
I have no choice but to emphasize psilocybin given that everybody’s top goal in life to put the spotlight on anything in the world other than psilocybin
even Paul Steinmetz fell into this in his 1996 book where he was incapable of directing his attention to the topic of Psilocybin in Europe
And then later he complains the people falsely spread the falsehood that there was no psilocybin in Europe — but it’s a topic that he himself was incapable of thinking about
Motivation for this posting is that I think this idea has a huge amount of potential and so I want to make sure to hang onto this idea prominently and move forward with it and develop it
because my poor way of expressing in the past was every author our work as critics as scholars our work is to identify how each author has and each book brings contributions and each scientific paper rings contributions and limitations brings contributions and look and limitations
my idea my expression there brought contributions and mixed together with poison because that word limitation has very misleading and a gigantic vulnerability
Each article and book and scientific paper and online Egodeath theory assertion theory assertion brings contributions and but also it brings not merely limitation but outright harmful misleading lexicon and presuppositions and liabilities built into it that are interwoven with the contribution and so you’re real work as a scholar is the disentangle
The interwoven contributions which are interwoven with poison with harmful miss leading burdensome liability error and confusion heading in the wrong direction and commitment commitment to heading in the wrong direction is baked into and deeply interwoven and fused interwoven and fused with the contributions so you’re at work as a scholar is two un-weld And disentangle and forcibly filter out and tear apart the contributions from the poison
This book is a must have you have to get it if you’re doing work in this field of visionary plants he makes invaluable definitive position statements which are incorrect a lot of incorrect position statement and it is a poor analysis and all kinds of things are wrong with this book but it is mandatory it is packed with information and it is packed with information about the Jan Irvin trajectory of analysis and exposes
it is filled with extremely valuable information mixed together with poison misleading reductionism narrowing and exclusionary approach
misrepresenting logos as if it is the enemy of Psilocybin which is the opposite of the truth
Jan Irvin 2022 book brings valuable truth and poison
Same with who he critiques, he exposes entheogen scholars Wasson especially , for fabricating the deceitful misleading claim that psil in americas was religious / spiritual/ mystical; it wasn’t.
echoing refrain about Irvin’s reasoning in this 2022 book: IT DOES NOT FOLLOW, he who lectures on Logos, IT DOES NOT FOLLOW. ✋
It does not follow but the one and only aspect or story or dimension of psilocybin is that it is a suggestion chemical or that it is all about lies or did it has no mystical potential or that it is the enemy of logos in fact psilocybin is the
source of logos and psilocybin is tantamount to logos and psilocybin in fact is the Eucharist despite the fact that malicious social engineers lied about the use of Psilocybin in America the Americas for mystical experience also I believe that they did use psilocybin in the Americas for mystical experiences though it is a more complicated story
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