Egodeath Mystery Show Ep264: Failed Amanita Hypothesis (July 16, 2023)

Michael Hoffman, recorded July 16, 2023, produced Dec. 28, 2024

Photo: Cybermonk

Contents:

Intro

Re-Reading Across the Literature, About the Failure of the “Amanita Mushrooms = Psilocybin Mushrooms” Hypothesis

Jan 5 2025: Mankind has ALWAYS wished that Amanita produced Psil fx – but it never has done so; at best, Amanita is a deliriant, like a more-difficult-to-use Datura or other scopolamine plant.

It’s a joke, saying that the Soma recipe is Amanita with also a little Datura and Psilocybin and this and that thrown in – why not just say “Datura”, which is more reliable and potent than Amanita?

It’s surely the Datura that’s doing the heavy lifting in such a recipe. Ruck I feel backfires, his statement is too true, in Daturas for the Virgin article, he argues when The Mushroom wasn’t available, clearly other plants can substitute, such as Datura.

Careful with the Ruck argument that “Datura can replace Amanita” – that particular swap shows that Amanita is closely like Datura, not closely like Psil; ie, you cannot usefully lump together Psil and Aman any more than you can lump together psil and datura as if a single/same class of effects.

In 2023, I re-read the books and articles in the field (eg Letcher Shroom; McKenna Food of the Gods; Wasson: Persephone’s Quest), recounting the history of theories in the field.

Actually have perfect photo other than a few items stacked (issues; editions of book):

Photo: Cybermonk, Saturday, May 27, 2023, laid out by publication year

Across the books, I read about about the failure (by 1986) of Wasson’s initial hopeful hypothesis that you can lump together Amanita and Psilocybin.

That definitely failed. Yet Irvin’s 2008 book The Holy Mushroom is a massive exercise in subsuming Psilocybin under Amanita, by rhetorical framing sleight-of-hand including some 3 points that I detailed previously, = 3-4 page numbers, eg:

  • “This Hofmann passage is about psilocybin mushrooms, therefore is not relevant for this book.”
  • “The Holy Mushroom is Amanita. Also, as a footnote, Psil.”
  • “Hopkins’ synthetic Psilocybin effects show that Amanita produces religious effects.”
  • “Here’s a gallery of pictures of The Holy Mushroom, Amanita muscaria. I’ve padded it out with the lesser, irrelevant type, Psilocybin.”

When a hypothesized explanatory construct fails (“the holy mushroom”; entheogenic mushrooms”), we need to SAY and CONCLUDE that such attempt definitely does not work, so don’t do it, moving forward; and, correct the past wrong, misguided entheogen scholarship that attempted to make use of a tentative but wrong, explanatory construct, “psychoactive mushrooms”, meaning Amanita and Psil treated AS IF their effects were comparable.

Their effects are definitely NOT closely similar; they are no more related than Datura and Psilocybin.

Some of this episode is about Wasson/Graves 1950s failed hypothesis that we can lump together Amanita and Psilocybin under an umbrella explanatory construct, “The Mushroom”, “sacred mushrooms”, “the Holy Mushroom”, “sacred fungi”, etc.

Wasson was disappointed by Amanita, and we need to OFFICIALLY pronounce this as a FAILED HYPOTHESIS.

Amanita is a symbol for Psilocybin, nothing more. Other than that, Amanita has no more in common with Psilocybin than “Datura is like Psilocybin”.

It would make more sense to theorize in terms of “deliriants eg scopalamine and muscimol”; “Datura and Amanita”, than “Amanita and Psilocybin mushrooms”.

We might as well talk of “psychoactive leaves such as Cannabis and Datura and Coca” – that’s how nonsensical and unhelpful and misleading it is to say:

Cubensis is a psychoactive mushroom, and Amanita is a psychoactive mushroom, therefore, let’s fabricate the explanatory construct “psychoactive mushrooms” then proceed to discuss how “the mushroom” is used.

Entheogen scholarship might as well talk, senselessly, of “how psychoactives are used in religion” or “how plants are used in religion” (under the delusion that the effects are closely similar).

How Mushrooms Are Used in Religion (ie Amanita & Psilocybin mushrooms)

is as wrong and garbled an approach to explanation as:

How Plants Are Used in Religion (ie Cannabis, Coca, & Datura)

The effects of Amanita are NOT closely similar to Psilocybin.

Muscimol & Psilocybin are two different classes of effects, as distant as Psilocybin vs. Scopolamine.

Imagine writing books and articles based on the notion that Psilocybin effects are closely similar to Scopolamine effects – bad entheogen scholarship would result.

Lumping together Amanita and psilocybin merely because both are mushrooms, produced far more harm than help, in entheogen scholarship.

2nd Gen entheogen scholarship must forcibly separate Amanita, ALWAYS answer the question “which mushroom type”, whenever you write “used mushrooms”.

Misguided efforts and labor of 1st Gen entheogen scholarship tried as hard as possible to fuse and conflate and equate Psil & Aman – that was definitely a failure (a firmly, RESOUNDINGLY SCIENTIFICALLY DISCONFIRMED HYPOTHESIS), and we must REVISE and correct the WRONG 1st Gen entheogen scholarship.

When a field’s theory definitely fails, we must officially announce and account for that, not continue acting like we can lump together two plants that have nothing to do w each other except that Aman is the symbol of Psil or of all psychoactives.

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Content & Timestamps

Keeping “Classic Psychedelics Effects” Exclusive and Meaningfully Narrow

todo: move this section to where I say “MDMA”, not found yet (showing that there are gaps in these notes).

MDMA, Cannabis, and Amanita had to be firmly kicked out and removed from the “psychedelics” category, by forming “classic psychedelics” category.

Max Freakout in Psychonautica podcast episode 2 2007 says his MDMA experience was classically psychedelic.
Around 27:00.
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2024/12/24/psychonautica-podcast-with-max-freakout/#Psychonautica-2
https://dopecast.libsyn.com/psychonautica002
Lorenzo (or KMO) then speculated that Max’s mind was already trained to have psychedelic experience, affecting his response to MDMA.

Decadent Esotericism: Everything Means Everything, so Nothing Means Anything

Dittrich’s 1975 APZ q’air tried to lump Cannabis in with LSD, what nonsense!

Categories and classification systems need to have a useful coherent set of slots or classes that are distinguished from each other usefully.

If we are too lenient in definitions, we end up with the failure like DECADENT ESOTERICISM where everything means everything else; anything means anything, so nothing means anything.

Atheism Produces Mysticism

This section [Dec 29 2024] is based on Psychonautica podcast ep. 2, 2007, re: a materialist atheism forum.

“tries to bring psychede into the scientific indset” – Max Freakout, around [51:00 Psychonautica 2]. “Materialist mindset has no room for consciousness or purpose.” “Science vs. psychedelics” [52:00 Psychonautica 2] – Charles Nichols can bridge the gap.

Sam Harris’ books make a false dichotomy and he doesn’t connect the dots.

Harris asserts no-free-will, and advocates psychedelics – that’s tantamount to advocating mystic state transformation; psychedelic eternalism.

The “mystic” Timothy Freke advocates the same things as the “atheist” Sam Harris: no-free-will + psychedelic spirituality.

Atheism vs. Mysticism is a false dilemma based on bad definitions, and confuses two different communication styles with two different core understandings.

I’m a technologist packaging knowledge and experience usefully.

I do not use the language and conceptual framework of “atheism” or “mysticism”.

I speak in relevant, useful terms of “mental construct processing” and “mental model transformation” about “models of control and possibility branching”.

The Egodeath theory is not “atheism”. A critique of or advocacy of “atheism” fails to engage with or relate to the Egodeath theory (psychedelic eternalism with dependent control).

The Egodeath theory is not “reductionism”.

The Egodeath theory is not “perennialism” at least re: surface expression. the Egodeath theory is perennialism as underlying core knowledge, but rejecting perennialism as a historical expression style/ lexicon/ communication style and mode.

The Egodeath theory is not “Wasson’s theory.”

I am not a follower of Wasson, or Allegro, or Ruck. I am a follower of *ME*.

I am not a “mushroom theorist” per pilzbaum deniers; NO PILZBAUM DENIER HAS CONSIDERED, ENGAGED, OR REBUTTED the Egodeath theory.

Disparaging or rebutting “the mushroom theorists” is not engagement with the Egodeath theory and interpretation, at all.

I have communicated with James Kent, Martin Ball, Thomas Hatsis, indirectly Letcher was “replied” to “me”, yet none of them have addressed me AS me – not even Jan Irvin has engaged my theory, despite conversations in-depth about Wasson and Allegro and Plaincourault, despite citing my work (piecemeal, selectively, without engaging my integrative theory).

NO PILZBAUM DENIER has engaged with the Egodeath theory, as Hatsis’ replies to me demonstrate that:

Hatsis tells me I’m not allowed to have Psilocybin-based theory, because my thinking is based in the Allegro camp, showing that Hatsis has NO IDEA what the Egodeath theory is or my intellectual trajectory.

Hatsis simply PROJECTS his view of Irvin onto me and Prof. Jerry Brown, disallowing us to define a position that’s different than Hatsis’ notion of the Allegro/Irvin position.

It’s the most active strawmanning in the world, by Hatsis, who forcefully DICTATES the position that the opponent asserts.

Hatsis is only capable of rebutting a single, fixed, strawman position that he himself defines. Completely inflexible in rebutting varied multiple positions.

A key important thing in my branching-message mushroom trees article is:

I DEFINE MY POSITION MYSELF, USEFULLY; YOU DON’T GET TO DICTATE WHAT MY POSITION IS.

The Egodeath theory is not “Allegro’s theory” or “the Allegro/Irvin theory”.

The Egodeath theory is not “Reformed Theology”.

Psychedelic eternalism with 2-level dependent control in a non-branching world is its own thing and can only be rebutted as itself.

The Egodeath theory cannot be lumped in with any previous “school”.

Strategy for Transcribing

5-minute markers

0:00

Intro “Intro 5881 VOX_TK_5881”

0:20

Content “VOX_TK_5881”

What am I up to?

Finishing an initial phase of Psilocybin research.

Medium dose 3.5-4 g. genre of branching-message mushroom trees ; {mushrooms}, {branching}, {handedness}, and {stability} motifs /imagery

The pilzbaum genre lasted a long time, and given that we lost many icons and images, we can assume there was quite a bit more, 900-1300.

Golden Teacher (Cubensis) is hard to work w compared to blotter or liquid, and it can have lethargy and energy impact.

Great Canterbury Psalter depicts mayhem; a steady consistent theme is being {threatened}; enlightenment or salvation is driven by {threat} demonstration in the adult mind.

Poor Psilocybin effects, hard to work with: Lethargy, compared to “speedy” blotter

Has 7 instances of weighing out psil on scale balance [in toc in my page, counted the # of “balance”]. Has imagery of sitting up in bed. Being threatened.

Ways in which psilocybin is hard to work with.

LSA produces extreme lethargy, no psychedelic effects.

Myth comes from psilocybin, but it’s a mess, and only lasted 500 years this genre b/c psil is hard to work with, unlike blotter. have a large consistent supply required.

5:00

Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:14 NIV

key word:

INTO the city.

through the gates

may go through the gates into

wash robes to go through – equiv: remove dirty youthful garment, naked exposed inner workings, put on holy clean garment

adult, mature, developed, lasting, imperishable, immortal, final form, completed, fully initiated, redeemed

pulled/ lifted/ redeemed/ rescued out from the world / rock/ prison/ cosmos/ heimarmene cosmic boundary.

born out from, pulled out from, lifted or fished out

lifted or fished out by the savior the groom acting initiating to lift the resisting but transforming female part of the mind,

the FEMALE HELPLESS THOUGHT RECEIVER

LOCAL EGOIC CONTROL SYSTEM

There are two mental models, and their are there are two legs.

Do not hardcode the motif “L always inherently means branching”.

{weight on L foot} conventionally not inherently specifically means branching, not by objective fact directly.

immature, undeveloped, polluted, dirty, mortal, passing, perishable, temporary, larval form, not final form, those outside,

struggling timelessly to get through the gate

the TRANSFORMATION BIRTH GATE CONTROL-TRANSFORMATION TO ETERNALISM THINKING

the “eternalism” mental model

BIRTH EFFORT STRUGGLE TO TRANSFORM THROUGH THE CONTROL-TRANSFORMATION GATE to go in to the land of loosecog

the control transformation gate into loosecogland.

city = structure, stable, fortified, protected, ordered, viable, sustainable, permanent, lasting, defensible, bounded, guarded entry, mental model has conditional viability in this environment: initial mental model dies and fails and is MORTAL in this state, mortal child thinking PERISHABLE.

become IMPERISHABLE, as contrasted with PERISHABLE KING EGO STEERING IN A TREE, overpowered by the higher controller god transpersonal puppetmaster part of oneslef spouse motral married to a god, 2-level control system is revealed,

CLOTHING ROBE GARMENT 2 layered: naked – NAKED 2-LEVEL CONTROL EXPOSED, overlaid removed garment APPEARANCE, replace that by a clean holy garment white clean bleached wool cloth sheet clean = not pullution of egoic thinking , possibilism-thinking –

your possibilism-thinking has been removed — though Ken Wilber: egoic thinking is still used all the time; possibilism-thinking;

you still DEPEND on but now don’t “DEPEND ON” egoic control presupposition false foundation that dies when light switch turned on

TORCH ILLUMINATING UNDERLYING NAKED EXPOSED WORKINGS.

Naked = inner workings of control branching model failure potential and transformation potential and threatening to death of control autonomy, mind discovers a way to force by threat its transofrmation.

The local control agency receives thoughts frozen in rock and is made to force mental model transformation by threatening the lower control model.

Abraham’s angel says harm not the youth, because egoic thinking is beloved and valuable and is always used constantly every day 100% of the time inherently

Autonomous steering of control in a branching world, causes loss of control in the Cubensis state (unstable control, violation of control by revealing exposing higher level of the personal control system.

2-level, dependent control in a non-branching world, avoids loss of control in the Cubensis state
highly value and use lower thinking, love it, use it, while “dis-identifying from immature thinking” (Ken Wilber) –

Mark-off, perceive the boundary of a distinct lower thing, mark off the boundary of the now-perceived system, illusion-based system.

Demarcate by mythic figure that, mark off that thing, lower thinking, egoic local control agency that’s fit for a branching possibilities world containing autonomous control agents, steersmen who won’t acknowledge king Dionysus, threatened with spreading vines, transformed, into dolphins swimming in the sea.

The Wrath of Dionysus

https://www.theoi.com/Olympios/DionysosWrath.html
TYRRHENIAN PIRATES 
“Pirates from the Italian region of Tyrrenhia who captured Dionysos as he travelled amongst the islands of the Greek Aegean. They planned to violate the pretty boy and then sell him into slavery, despite the warnings of their helmsman who recognised him for a god. In anger Dionysos filled their ship with spreading vines and phantom beasts, and when the pirates leapt into the sea transformed them into dolphins.”

literalist ordinary-state possibilism with autonomous control – in BRANCHING world steering

The Possibilism mental model of time, self, and control, the possibilism world model, is virtual-only; mind is made to see egoic con the egoic control system is virtual-omlhy, an unclean impure OUTER GARMENT OF APPEARANCE seeming.

We carry a load, we do work and suffer, in the form of virtual egoic agents.

7:30

Rev 22:14 NIV:

“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.”

10:00

Psilocybin mushrooms are hard to work with. Even though much more ergnomic than Amanita. Compared to blotter, which is ergonomic except for blotter’s excessively long duration.

Psilocybin (eg ground Cubensis capsules) has the potential to be more ergonomic than blotter, by leveraging the quick ramp up, ramp down, & short duration, giving more quick control of level, by re-dosing.

eg at t = 3 hours, or at the peak (when Dose 1 reaches peak), redose; as Dose 1 decreases, Dose 2 increases, summing to flat cruise altitude for an extended time.

15:00

Hopkins Big Pharma therapy industry approach: locked down under blanket, eyeshades, guards, headphones.

Why did pilzbaum genre only last 900-1300 AD? Hard to work with.

Psilocybin mushrooms are doubly difficult to work with:

  1. Entering into the loose cog state at the right level for right duration is difficult.
    Mechanics of dosage. Must get rest the day before, use early in day, not when drained of energy.
  2. Dealing with control-loss in the loose cog state is difficult.

20:00

Ongoing inheritance of religious myth and imagery of branching-message mushroom trees – how did we lose grip on psychedelic eternalism? Hard to work with Psil compared to blotter.

Don’t jam together p 152 THM Irvin – BAD WRITING, rhetorical sleight-of-hand, Irvin robs Psil (synthetic, Hopkins) effects and LIES attributing Psil fx to Amanita.

25:00

A bunk move by Irvin — abuse of psilocybin mushrooms by entheogen scholarship in order to prop up their false King Amanita, “The” Holy Mushroom.

This is an illegitimate attempt to patch a BAD THEORY by a rhetorical, ambiguity-leveraging move AND HOPE NO ONE NOTICES. It doesn’t work!

30:00

An invented, fake, synthetic, artificial, unreal, unnatural construct called “Psychoactive Fungi”.

Irvin’s book commits 2 or 3 such “master failed specution” moves. the Amanita Primacy Fallacy in spades.

Though Irvin’s book is pretty good. Irvin’s book THM p. 152 etc. has dirty… he perpetuates Wasson’s failed hyhpothesis from 1957.

Attempt to group as if a single thing, Amanita & Psilocybin. This doesn’t work. Irvin’s book shows the failures of this failed move.

Irvin tries to square the circle, fudging to make a sketchy wrong hypothesis fly.

Result: Irvin says that Hopkins’ psilocybin research shows that Amanita produces psychedelic religious effects.” No, bunk! That’s literally Irvin’s rhetorical shell-game move, p 152.

A fake bucket that entheogen scholarship made up, “psychoactive fungii”, claims that Psilocybin effects are significantly similar to Amanita effects, among psychoactives.

45:00

Revise the Conceptual Hierarchy re: Amanita, Psilocybin, “psychoactive mushrooms”, Deliriants, and Psychedelics

December 28, 2024: per Paul Thagard’s book Conceptual Revolutions, WE NEED TO REVISE THE CONCEPTUAL HIERARCHY.

Wrong Conceptual Hierarchy per 1st Gen Entheogen Scholarship

Psychoactive leaf plants: coca, cannabis, henbane

“They all have leaves, therefore, a useful explanatory construct/category is leaf-based psychoactives.”

Psychoactive fungi: ergot, Amanita, psilocybin

“They are all mushrooms, therefore, a useful explanatory construct/category is psychoactive mushrooms.”

Revised Conceptual Hierarchy per 2nd Gen Entheogen Scholarship

Deliriants: Amanita, Datura, scopolamine, muscimol, ibuAcid

Psychedelics: blotter, psilocybin, mescaline, DMT

40:00

To what extent can you treat together Hatsis and Letcher in the same sentence?

To what extent can we lump together a debunking of “mushroom theorists” and “the Egodeath theory”?

Hatsis does this: Lump Brown & Hoffman into Allegro, bc Irvin attempts to affirm Allegro.

Hatsis acts like rejecting Allegro is same as rejecting Jan Irvin or Michael Hoffman or Jerry Brown.

45:00

Irvin tries to align himself with Allegro (I’m skeptical; eg Irvin falsely says Allegro affirmed pilzbaum – but no citation is provided, disproving Irvin).

But unlike Irvin, Brown and Hoffman ignore Allegro, as irrelevant.

We must keep our guard up even after using the qualified, restrictive term “classic psychedelics”.

To what extent does experiencing psychedelic eternalism in MIddle Ages, how come they forgot it? Psilocybin is way better than non-drug meditation, yet, Psil is less efficient and targeted than blotter.

Can Golden Teacher Cubensis be as efficacious as blotter?

If Psil worked so well and middle ages mastered genre of psychedelic eternalism and branching-message mushroom trees, why was psychedelic eternalism forgotten and so little understood and studied?

Forms of cannabis improved recently. Overlapping, forms of psychedelics have a lot of room to improve like blotter’s efficacy and ergonomics. Cubensis extract small capsules. Quicker rise/fall steering ability than blotter.

49:00 Why isn’t Eadwine more consistent using {handedness}? To avoid idolizing the R foot?

Avoid hardcoding L always = branching delusion unstable, unenlightened and vulnerable susceptible.

50:00

… The pilzbaum artist, in this image, violates {handedness} here because he wants to force the point that it’s arbitrary how you map Left and Right to Branching or Non-Branching.

The convention is L = branching = unstable = bad. But, many counterexamples.

Page: Idea Development page 21
Section: Reliability of each motif in {mushrooms}, {branching}, {handedness}, and {stability} motifs
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2024/12/14/idea-development-page-21/#Reliability-of-each-motif – the least reliable motif is {handedness}

Psil induces psychedelic eternalism far more tageted and efficiacious than Amanita, but seems – unless measures are taken – less effective than blotter.

Cubensis extract capsules, or synthetic Psil capsules, plus redosing, can, in theory, be more efficacious than blotter.

55:00

Blotter represents 100% efficacy; it’s the Reference. Psilocybin is not the Reference.

Amanita is extremely not the reference! Despite cheap pop feverish writing like Andrew Rutajit 2005 book, writing that Amanita is the most powerful and awesome thing EVAR!

Call in the attack dog, Letcher Hatsis Huggins here, to spray cold water on runaway popular storytelling.

Of course the result will be simple-minded, intellectually LAZY (and wussy/ feeble/ cowardly), scorched-earth total denial of a European trad’n of “The Mushroom”.

God gave us just enough evidence of just the right type, so cut apart the wusses from the resourceful scholars.

Bennett privileges himself with playing the entheogen scholarship on Easy Mode, given the relatively strong evidence for cannabis, which he criticizes as lacking for mushrooms.

Even though he reads, quotes, and explicitly cites Rev 22:2, he screws up the interp – and this is per 2024 interview apparently the motivation of the book! — he screws up, both in his 2001 book and yesterday’s new interview in 2024 in which he quotes his book: he argues that in Rev 22:2, the 12 manner of fruits crops every month + leaves healing, means 12 uses of hemp.

The Egodeath theory (Nov or Dec 2024) gives you 13 different species of entheogens in the Tree of Life – including Cubensis.

Mere entheogen scholars (Heinrich, Bennett) only deliver to you a single plant (Amanita, or Cannabis).

Psilocybin eg Golden Teacher is 67% as efficacious as blotter.

Amanita is 15% as efficacious as blotter.

Amanita is only effective as a symbol if it accompanies a highly effective actual psychedelic.

Amanita is not effective enough to preserve and sustain comprehension of psychedelic eternalism.

If a real psychedelic is available, to induce psychedelic eternalism, then Amanita is effective as a symbol for that.

But, if you then remove the real psychedelic, and keep Amanita, psychedelic eternalism will be forgotten.

If Psilocybin Is Ideally Focused on Psychedelic Eternalism, Why Was Psychedelic Eternalism Forgotten?

1:00:00

If my explanation of branching-message mushroom trees is successful to an ideal degree, that leaves us w/ problem of why did we forget psychedelic eternalism?

If Psil Golden Teacher was so effective, why was this genre forgotton? eg the Spain painters of the Great Canterbury Psalter totally lost psychedelic eternalism comprehension.

Though, see what I found Dec. 15, 2024, by the Spain painters (I don’t think it’s in an Eadwine drawing that they merely painted):

Great Canterbury Psalter, page f221, row 2 left: Trading, Weighing, and Storing Cubensis

Crop by Cybermonk
Added to Gallery Dec 20, 2024.
“f221 row 2 left.jpg” 161 KB, from “f221 row 2 left.png” that’s Dec. 15, 2024
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10551125c/f221.item.zoom

I searched this site on “f221” to find my recent (unmarked; unannounced) announcement of that image in two pages:
Canterbury f145: King Orders Shipments of Blue Fruit to Storage Lockboxes with Blue-Stemmed Mushroom Tree (All Image Crops)
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2023/03/17/canterbury-f145-king-orders-shipments-of-blue-fruit-to-storage-lockboxes-with-blue-stemmed-mushroom-tree/#f221-Row-2-right
Idea Development 2024-12-13
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2024/12/14/idea-development-page-21/#Cubensis-Lockbox-Bins

1:10:00

Be skeptical about sameness of the effects of mescaline, psilocybin, ergot, and DMT.

“ergot” as a conceptual bucket, semi-legitimate. the word “game” is a blurry category.

The exclusionary category “classic psychedelics” remains dangerously blurry; we must not assume that is a cut-and-dry category, containing identical effects – different forms of “DMT”.

“DMT” as a dangerously multifarious category; 5-Meo-DMT != N-N-DMT, it’s a blurry category

Logical Fallacy: Anything Can Be Used in an Entheogenic Practice, Therefore Anything is an Entheogen; a Lie of Degree

The lying word ‘can’ is the opposite of having a ranking as a matter of degree, likelihood.

Abusing a binary word to misrepresent what’s a matter of degree; degree of efficacy, likelihood, strength, reliability.

Gross oversimplification.

Good use of “can/ could/ might/ may”:
Cubensis can produce blotter effect; can produce psychedelic eternalism transformation

Bad use of “can/ could/ might/ may”:
Anything can produce entheogenic effect; can produce psychedelic eternalism transformation

Pigs “can/could/might/may” Fly

Hitting Your Head CAN Produce Entheogenic Experience; Therefore, Hitting Your Head IS an Entheogen

We need a legitimate ranking scheme: Amanita < Psil < blotter or 2CT7.

Instead of Wasson 1957 speculating “Amanita CAN be interchangeable with Psil” – whcih false hypoth was RETAINED and sustained in the field of entheogen scholarship 1957-2024… or until 1986 book Persephone’s Quest,

“Amanita and Psilocyin are interchangeable” is a ZOMBIE CONCEPT — an explanatory construct that has been disproved, yet continues to be used as if it’s valid.

The concept was discarded technically in 1986 entheogen scholarship, and yet, continued to be used.

Letcher Hatsis Huggins would be interested in this concept: After an idea becomes popularly spread, we have to work hard to kill the ENTRENCHED FALSE IDEA.

Anything “can”, “could”, “might”, and “may” same effect as 1000 mics of blotter.

These are lies of degree.

Blurry categories are a Lie Of Degree.

“Psychoacative plants”, “entheogens”, Hane’s “entheogenic practices”, can mean LITERALLY ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF.

These 3 examples were off-the-cuff during recording some episode of the Egodeath Mystery Show: I named 3 random things, then made up a story of why each one has potential to be used somewhere by someone as an entheogen (skipped here/ exercise for the reader):

  • car engine – Therefore, a gasoline engine is an entheogen.
  • light bulb – Therefore, a light bulb is an entheogen.
  • oven – can be an entheogen; CAN produce a heavy blotter trip. You can’t prove I’m wrong. Therefore, an oven is an entheogen.

[1:20:00]

Is there a general ranking for the single fake thing “DMT”, given that N-N-DMT != 5-MEO-DMT?

Need a non-misleading ranking scheme that’s legitimate.

[1:22:39] Outro

Outro [dry]
track name: “Outro 5882 VOX_TK_5882”

Ego Death Mystery Show, with Cybermonk, July 16, 2023.

You are on the leading edge of altered-state theory.

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Production Notes

Interesting: The one, long recording 5881.wav switches back and forth between room mics (when room is quiet) vs dry (with gate) (when room is noisy).

Conclusion: If done right, no need to start new track when switch the mic setup. No need to separately process the two setups — if you do it right like somehow I did here in July conditions. This opinion is based on not headphone playback, but playback in normal noisy room. I could listen to SNR in this episode via isophones: expect silence removal worked well this way.

Miking notes in Celestial Planisphere notebook p. 30, for 5881.wav & 5882:

This means that I was still EQ’ing the 3 mics in July 17, 2023, not yet run flat like later that year. M39 wasn’t acting up.

Center Mic: (which one was used?? doesn’t say)

CAD E100 -5 -3 0 [eq in db; B M T]

EV 635A 3 2 -1 [probably not used]
I bet I did not use 635A but had it on the desk instead; I bet I used E100 as center mic. Later, M39 acted up, so I moved e100 from center to Right, and moved 635A from desk to center mic live room.

Room Mics:

L: AT 2020 -1 -4 3

R: CAD M39 -2 -2 2

No mention of closemics on cabs; d/k if used 2 or 4 closemics/ 2 or 4 cabs.

Voice

Fidelity: Stereo, “Standard” bitrate 192 KBPS.

probably outboard Comp’s

Processing on deck: Limiter, Bass cut 80HZ, per 2023 setup.

Source file: Intro and body are VOX_TK_5881.wav.

End portion: center mic only, w/ noise gate (cut the room reverb mics). That’s a guess in Dec 2024. It’s possible I had e-v 635A on desk and sat there – the content will indicate that; if working with computer or books at desk.

Guitar

Fidelity: stereo, “Standard” bitrate 192 KBPS

Source file: part of outro recording VOX_TK_5882.wav

Source recording input for that = PWTUBE_2804.wav

Guitar Miking: probably closemic 57s on big Ref cabs per 2023 setup:

  • Left: probably Greenback in Eminence 2×12 cab.
  • Right: spk of Hot Rod Deluxe III,

Distortion: Probably Marshall Classic Studio, 2 EL34 valves.

See Also

Created an Egodeath Mystery Show page, listing all episodes:
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2024/12/31/egodeath-mystery-show-podcast-episodes/

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