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In ws’ comment, you described diagram
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Bartolomeu_Velho_1568.jpg

That levels breakout is summarized in
https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/10/ptolemaic-astral-ascent-mysticism/
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That breakout is becoming familiar.

Most important/pivotal is the 8th sphere = fixed stars = heimarmene/ fate/ no-free-will / eternalism/ block-universe determinism/ non-branching/ Ogdoad.

Important is having a level above the 8th: the 9th = transcending eternalism.

God/ Creator/ Source outside that system of spheres would be level 10 (not a sphere).

interesting unclear question is what does it mean to reconcile Wouter Hanegraaff’s “thoroughly positive description” of “the Ogdoad” with the astral stars which he describes as “negative psychological powers that have to be exorcised from you”.

My duty is to clearly describe transcending no free will in the pre-created block universe.

it’s Hanegraaff’s job to straighten out his mess that he’s created by not attaching inventory numbering to his overly multiplied and dissociatively schizoid levels.

Hanegraaff’s 8th sphere Ogdoad is a schizophrenically split and incoherent Ialdabaoth level.

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if I want I can analyze again: how does Hanegraaff describe & relate:

• the 7 planetary powers
• the astral star powers incl zodiac elliptic belt 12 constellations out of 55
• rebirth is placed at what level
• logos placement
• noesis placement Nous
• the Ogdoad level
• Transcendence
• gnosis level
• the even higher Transcendence after rebirth in the Ennead level where you can look one level higher to perceive:
• the Source, the pege.

Hanegraaff said after reading the entire book you would have to re-read the book – I don’t think he meant it like this.

I am going to have to sew back together again what he has dualistically torn asunder in a mentally disorganized way – and possibly even dangerous way; you could say spiritually danger that he has set up, that I have to warn people against.

Hanegraaff has dissociated the negative without integrating it in an intelligent, comprehending way.

I read David Ulansey 2 articles again. Hypercosmic.
http://www.mysterium.com/eighthgate.html

http://www.mysterium.com/hypercosmic.html

Hanegraaff is definitely contradicting himself and not leaving any place to put the fixed stars

The correct way to read his book is every time he writes the word ‘star’ or ‘astral’ or ‘Ogdoad’, write the number 8 next to it, and then the problem becomes clear; he tries to demonize or describe the negative attributes of the stars and then he tries to glorify and talk up and be “thoroughly positive “reading of the Ogdoad.

But the problem is the simple numbering forces and reveals that the stars and the Ogdoad are the same level; they’re the same thing.

And so he has dissociated, he has psychologically dissociated the negative attributes versus the positive attributes of the exact same level while in his mind.

• this is really remarkable –

By Hanegraaff’s zeal to tell a “thoroughly positive” description, and then by only inadequately treating the negative (negative = disproving egoic control power as vulnerable perishable delusion), as what he calls a “psychological” (that is, mundane ordinary state-based) approach, he had ended up with a gigantic disjuncture.

Hanegraaff has not figured out how do you get from the exorcising of the negative powers that possess us, planetary neutral governors – they’re not demons; they are deluded non-rational control agents (aka demons, that bedevil viable control stability) – to transcending no-free-will?

Hanegraaff has created a dualistic rupturing in his own thinking, while the surface story of his book is all about not doing that.

He has ripped the 8th cosmic sphere into two (the negative stars below “versus” the positive Ogdoad above) as if they are two separate things, two separate levels.

By refraining from attaching numbers and then only referring to their obscure names “Ogdoad” & “Ennead” like a meaningless talismanic magical name chant, he has covertly and maybe even subconsciously multiplied the number of levels in the cosmos and then made one of them floating nowhere.

In music footnote 114 he says “I don’t know whether to put the fixed stars into Saturn or into the Ogdoad, that is an open question for me.”

That is literally the one and only time in the book that he says the phrase “fixed stars” but per the Egodeath theory, the fixed stars is the centerpoint of the transformation guarded gateway passage.

In Astral Ascent Mysticism, always look for the fixed stars as the central point of reference; which refers to the transformative altered-state experience of eternalism.

For all of his elevated book and scholarship, I can’t believe that he can’t figure out the answer to this super easy question, but I think he knows that it would destroy his system.

He can’t put the fixed stars in planet Saturn, and he can’t allow it into his “thoroughly positive” Ogdoad, so the sphere of the fixed stars is left dangling in null space. 🤯

It’s really challenging to articulate the ramifications of this mess, and what corrections and changes would be needed.

Every time Hanegraaff discusses the word ‘Ogdoad’, he needs to entirely rewrite that to reconcile the negative traits or powers of the fixed stars level with his attempt to tell a “thoroughly positive” story about the Ogdoad as a transcendent level.

I accomplish that by saying enlightenment is awakening to the iron block prison of the block universe, and then when returning to ordinary consciousness, familiar freedom experiencing returns, and that is kind of like transcending the block universe.

David Ulansey describes this by having the (non-branching) snake around your body (soul) and then having your head (spirit) be in the realm of light that’s beyond the stars.

As if Hanegraaff has completely eliminated negativity dangling off to the side of his system with nowhere for him to place the stars, which he talks about he affirms that there are negative/ stars, but then when he jumps from numbering the planets to then leaping to discussing his glorified realms that are outside of the stars, he can’t figure out where to put the stars.

Hanegraaff has covertly torn the 8th sphere into two, and he avoids attaching a number to levels above the 7 planetary spheres (stars[8] or Ogdoad[8] or Ennead[9]), “split into two, better get your glue ready” like the song Collideascope by
The Dukes of Stratosphear –

Collideascope
Careful, don’t look down the wrong end
You will see ships that fall out of the sky
Everything looks smashed and broken

Everything looks topsy turvy
You will see one young girl split into two
One half who’s false one half true
You better get your glue ready

Songwriters: Andy Partridge, Sir John Johns.

Earlier

Whether the fixed stars should be included [with Saturn] or should rather be associated with the Ogdoad remains an open question for me.

Hanegraaff p 294 note 114 Hermetic Spirituality

they lost their freedom and agency … the heimarmene , the cosmic astral machinery of necessity or “fate”. … Fowden says “the grand theme of late Greek philosophy: the ensnarement of the soul in the bonds of fate, “

p 84

Announcement, breaking news – Hanegraaff says he doesn’t know where to put astral fate heimarmene fixed stars.

https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2020/11/10/ptolemaic-astral-ascent-mysticism/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogdoad_(Gnosticism)

https://egodeaththeory.wordpress.com/2022/07/14/idea-development-page-14/ quickie voice recording that led up to present post, no fixed stars mp3

Hanegraaff tries to put the sphere of the fixed stars into Saturn, the 7th planetary sphere, and skip counting it as the 8th sphere, so that he can protect his pet Ogdoad, which he says is the 8th sphere, from the taint of Heimarmene fatedness.

BIZARRE!

Trainwreck ensues. He cites Bull. I really don’t see any way he can get out of this jam.

HE HAS TO ADMIT HIS PRECIOUS OGDOAD IS THE SPHERE OF THE FIXED STARS – Heimarmene Central.

He’s got to be completely wrong – it is avoidance!

There’s no way he can be right, as if there is any doubt or escape: it is simply an elementary GIVEN that the sphere of the fixed stars is the 8th sphere, the Ogdoad.

He wants to just get rid of it! Rather than allowing heimarmene into his Ogdoad.

Bizarre wording ensues throughout the book.

Dance Hanegraaff dance!

He says Saturn is sphere number seven, and he says that the Ogdoad is sphere number eight.

Then where in the effing hell is he going to put the fixed stars? Planet Saturn!?!

Nowhere, floating, swept under the cosmic rug. Pls make this problem go away 😓🙏

Maybe ingest some of your non-drug entheogens and a clever avoidance scheme “may” come to you.

Hanegraaff says he can’t decide whether to put the fixed stars in Saturn, which he says is the seventh sphere, or in the Ogdoad which he says is the eighth sphere.

He says astral fate and zodiac is heimarmene – astral means stars.

He doesn’t want to admit that his pet Ogdoad = fixed stars = Heimarmene prison = Fate = imprisonment of bodysoul (not spirit tho) = Logos = divine.

Hanegraaff can’t bear to put stars in his pet 8th sphere, he knows he can’t get rid of them, but he tries, he wants to put them in Saturn but obviously he can’t, so, the fixed stars are bizarrely awkwardly dangling nowhere, neither inside nor outside the cosmos.

Index: hiemarmene – 257 258 etc

Whether the fixed stars should be included [with Saturn] or should rather be associated with the Ogdoad remains an open question for me.

Hanegraaff p 294 note 114 Hermetic Spirituality

Why is there any question? It’s evident his cosmology has a giant unresolved gap right at the most crucial pivotal level: fixed stars astral fate cosmic heimarmene. He clearly is not merely unsure re musical vowel pitches; his whole cosmology throughout the book chokes on this.

I wish to list quotes, lotsa great phrases about mayhem madness astral powers controlling pray dependence divine powers rescue from astral fate daimons exorcise etc – he obviously cannot put fixed stars in a planet sphere (Saturn, 7th).

He is apparently terrified with a severe psychological block against putting the fixed stars and their heimarmene powers in his pet Ogdoad which he says is the 8th sphere.

He is UNWILLING to put fixed stars heimarmene zodiac in his pet Ogdoad sphere, and he’s not allowed to put fixed stars in a wandering planet sphere, so what does he do?

His solution is to only mention “fixed stars” ONE TIME in this book: where he says:

“Whether the fixed stars should be included [with Saturn] or should rather be associated with the Ogdoad remains an open question for me.”

WHY??!! He doesn’t say why! Heimarmephobia BOK BOK 🐔🐥🐓🍗 , doesn’t fit the unicorns & rainbows agenda! 🦄💨🌈

“remains a big scary problem for me”, more like.

Since it’s an open question for me, I just won’t talk about that the OGDOAD which you recognize as the 8th sphere IS NONE OTHER THAN THE FATE-RULED eternalism HEIMARMENE BLOCK UNIVERSE FIXED STARS AS EVERY DIAGRAM AND 2-BIT ESOTERICISM WEBSITE SHOWS

“open question” = euphemism for “I can’t figure out how to keep the fate-ruled fixed stars from being THE SAME DAMN THING as my precious Ogdoad of divine enlightenment”

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