https://www.academia.edu/5374453/Entheogens_Sacramentals_or_Sacrilege_A_Working_Draft?email_work_card=view-paper, 2014 included in 2014 book:

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Seeking the Sacred with Psychoactive Substances: Chemical Paths to Spirituality and to God

J. Harold Ellens, 2014

Seeking the Sacred with Psychoactive Substances [2 volumes]: Chemical Paths to Spirituality and to God (Psychology, Religion, and Spirituality)

“The first of its kind, this intriguing two-volume set objectively reports on and assesses this modern psycho-social movement in world culture: the constructive medical use of entheogens and related mind-altering substances.

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trying to capture an excessive number of potential discussion points

in the middle ages-

when was peak mushroom?

when was the fall off

when did we forget and why

spoke with an expert who was specifically mad that Christianity had 100% forgotten and he was exclaiming on the totalNess of this forgetting and

we discussed a little bit but not enough whether modernity- or there was a conspiracy so to speak of both religion and modernity , they both suppressed mushrooms [psilocybin] for their own different reasons

both parties allied

religion allied with early modern science around 1700 to kill off mushrooms [psilocybin]

how did this work

do we put all blame on the church in the middle ages of 1200 ,or do we put all blame on nascent maternity maternity Modern stupid voice transcription MODERNITY robbed us of msh Hanegraaff re throwing esotericism in trashcan

Thomas Roberts counsel for spiritual practices Article at Academia.edu mentions Ken Wilber at the bottom seems to be from around 2011 course guidelines syllabus program and

I don’t like roberts’ typical framing of the question “are visionary plants an authentic fake simulation of the authentic methods of the mystics?”

the very way that he expresses the questions already has baked into it a negative verdict!!

It’s the sort of do you still beat your wife type of the question has a falsehood in a presupposition baked into the very question itself

like a game that has losing already woven into it

it is a game that is designed for you to lose

the very way that the question is posed already contains the negative bias against the visionary plants

the false presuppositions are already integrated into the very formulation of the question

John Lash very much bothers me the way that he keeps far too much credit to Wasson and

both Wasson and John lash they both know in fact they both know the fact of the matter

they both know perfectly well that there are mushrooms in Christianity and both of them sensor with the total information blackout

the great information blackout

the Christianity gap

John Lash and Wasson the great Christianity gap and blackout

in fact it’s a blackout and

we have different flavor of motives:

the church has one reason to suppress and deny mushrooms

butt Wasson has a different reason to suppress and deny Mushrooms in Christianity

and John lash has a different reason to suppress and deny Christians Mushrooms

and science Modern 1700 enlightenment science has a different reason to deny and suppress Mushrooms

and goddamnit everybody every idiot every clown every stupid bunk field

everybody has their own unique reason for suppressing and denying Mushrooms in Christianity

the great massive bias and huge conspiracy by everybody

and John Rush has his reasons to deny and suppress Mushrooms in Christianity

and Jan irvin has his own reasons to deny and suppress the Central presence of mushrooms within Christianity

and everybody has their reasons to deny and suppress Mushrooms in Christianity

and Dr. Secret Amanita Carl Ruck has his own reasons to try to minimize and sideline and emphasize the absence rather than the presence presence of mushrooms in Christianity

everybody is all conspiring to minimize and suppress and deny and delete mushrooms from Christianity

idiots!

and they are all directly causing the prohibition of psilocybin !

the great self defeat

Everybody is conspiring to be self-defeating and to establish and set up and justify and propagate and perpetuate psilocybin Prohibition

John Lash tries to perpetuate Prohibition and Wasson tries and strive and Irvin and Rush and ruck and everybody and all of the entheogen scholars except for Samorini and brown, they all conspire

and organized religion conspires

and modern enlightenment science conspires

and everybody conspires to tell the false narrative and to tell the courts the lie, that our own religious tradition has no mushrooms, or has very few, and

we want to emphasize that our own religion history is founded on the denial and suppression and deletion of mushrooms from Christianity

and everybody wants to emphasize the lack, the absence rather than the presence of mushrooms, of psilocybin with in the tradition

THE POISON NARRATIVE THAT PROPS UP PSILOCYBIN PROHIBITION

and they even use evidence and mushroom art to prop up and perpetuate this narrative which is self-defeating and harmful and perpetuates the prohibition scam sham Prohibition of Psilocybin by all conspiring to agree and

everybody tells the same false narrative

everybody is committed to the story that Christianity is all about removing and deleting Mushrooms

this is the great Christianity gap or the great conspiracy to misrepresent – and a commitment to not seeing and not Recognizing the central Presence of Mushrooms – *Psilocybin* Mushrooms because

if I don’t say psilocybin, then you will be forced to picture amanit emoji

“mushroom” = 🍄 , So you force me to say Psilocybin, because if I don’t , you will absolutely say/hear Amanita a million times

I see the word mushroom, you hear the word Amanita

and that’s why I cannot say mushroom; I have to say Psilocybin, to break your stupid ruts of thinking, your Dr. Rut’s rut of thinking

As surely as a mushroom-tree artist forces you to think mushrooms, and they must take responsibility for that, similarly, when I say the word ‘mushroom’, that will force you to wrongly think of the word ‘Amanita’ and to definitely not think at all of psilocybin type mushrooms

I want to read John lash book pages about the lion headed serpent monster which Sophia creates when not factoring in the Higher source of control thoughts

and also read Metzner but really I’ve been wanting more books by Ralph Metzner and two or three books by him are strongly recommended by John Lash

a big topic of conversation is : do we have to think of Wasson as evil per Irvin?

and what do we do with this problem of John lash trying to give an insane amount of credit and credit the entire entheogen theory 100% to Wasson ,

At the overall narrative level john lash literally calls via entheogen theory he literally calls it “the wasson theory” – that bugs the hell out of me, that really is grating. it would take a while to work out the ideas of why why it is so wrong the way that John lash so absolutely labels and equates the Theory and gives entire credit to the very guy well a big question is did Wassen he is so evasive on this did Wason explicitly deny so put the question to him the question the question is the question of all questions is:

Wasson & Lash, please answer The Question:

To what extent Psilocybin and Muscimol mushrooms within the church throughout Christian history?

please do not employ the word ‘secret’ or ‘cult’ in your answer